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Thread started 12/02/19 7:38pm

cborgman

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Remember when right wingers used to absolutely hate executive orders and called Obama a dictator and thug for them?

obama made 276 of them in 8 years. trump has made 136 so far, which means he has outpaced obama in them.

why is it we havent heard a word about how awful they are and how much of a dictator trump is in the last 3 years from anyone on the right?

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Reply #1 posted 12/03/19 1:38am

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It's like the deficit, no one actually cares. The Republicans know the Dems are obsessed with decorum and appearing civil though so they use it to their advantage.

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The issue was never their use but their content. So fail.
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Reply #3 posted 12/03/19 7:52am

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jaawwnn said:

It's like the deficit, no one actually cares. The Republicans know the Dems are obsessed with decorum and appearing civil though so they use it to their advantage.

[Edited 12/3/19 1:39am]

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Reply #4 posted 12/03/19 7:59am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

The issue was never their use but their content. So fail.

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Reply #5 posted 12/03/19 3:28pm

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The Blah blah blah blah was never blah blah blah, so blah blah.

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Reply #6 posted 12/03/19 6:35pm

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Reply #7 posted 12/04/19 5:30am

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Shameless hypocrites. Yes I remember.
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Reply #8 posted 12/04/19 11:32am

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i also recall a few of them constantly calling obama liar, yet amazingly they dont seem to much mind the worst liar in US presendtial history who tells several lies every day

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Reply #9 posted 12/04/19 4:27pm

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cborgman said:

i also recall a few of them constantly calling obama liar, yet amazingly they dont seem to much mind the worst liar in US presendtial history who tells several lies every day

....and there it is

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Reply #10 posted 12/04/19 5:33pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

cborgman said:

i also recall a few of them constantly calling obama liar, yet amazingly they dont seem to much mind the worst liar in US presendtial history who tells several lies every day

....and there it is


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Reply #11 posted 12/05/19 4:01am

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cborgman said:

i also recall a few of them constantly calling obama liar, yet amazingly they dont seem to much mind the worst liar in US presendtial history who tells several lies every day

did you call barack out on his lies? have I defenfed a proven lie of trumps?

again this topic is a fraud and the issue with barock's abuse of executive orders or presidential memorandum (remember how barack lied an said he had not done very many EOs... haha he called them PM...it was not the number but their content.


show me where one of trump's by passed congress *maybe he has*

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Reply #12 posted 12/05/19 5:53am

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Literally day one of being in office he did an executive order undercutting the ACA because they had tried and failed 50 some times to do it in congress.

First executive order he gleefully signed within hours of being sworn in on Jan 20th.

Its actually mind-boggling that you want us to take you seriously on the topic, and didnt yet you didnt even know that.


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Reply #13 posted 12/05/19 6:10am

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cborgman said:

Literally day one of being in office he did an executive order undercutting the ACA because they had tried and failed 50 some times to do it in congress and couldn’t in however many years since the ACA happened to that point.

First executive order he signed within hours of being sworn in on Jan 20th.

Its actually mind-boggling that you want us to take you seriously on the topic, and didnt yet you didnt even know that.


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I believe that was well within the scope of the aca. As the aca says "as the directed"

But by all means post the test of the eo.
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Reply #14 posted 12/05/19 6:11am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:
Literally day one of being in office he did an executive order undercutting the ACA because they had tried and failed 50 some times to do it in congress and couldn’t in however many years since the ACA happened to that point. First executive order he signed within hours of being sworn in on Jan 20th. Its actually mind-boggling that you want us to take you seriously on the topic, and didnt yet you didnt even know that. . [Edited 12/5/19 6:08am]
I believe that was well within the scope of the aca. As the aca says "as the directed" But by all means post the test of the eo.

Do your own homework only.

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Reply #15 posted 12/05/19 6:16am

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cborgman said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


cborgman said:
Literally day one of being in office he did an executive order undercutting the ACA because they had tried and failed 50 some times to do it in congress and couldn’t in however many years since the ACA happened to that point. First executive order he signed within hours of being sworn in on Jan 20th. Its actually mind-boggling that you want us to take you seriously on the topic, and didnt yet you didnt even know that. . [Edited 12/5/19 6:08am]

I believe that was well within the scope of the aca. As the aca says "as the directed" But by all means post the test of the eo.

Do your own homework only.




You made the claim back it up or don't...it's up to you. Like most things you say you do not back up...just make it up or parrot it...it ia cool.
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Reply #16 posted 12/05/19 6:21am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


cborgman said:
Literally day one of being in office he did an executive order undercutting the ACA because they had tried and failed 50 some times to do it in congress and couldn’t in however many years since the ACA happened to that point. First executive order he signed within hours of being sworn in on Jan 20th. Its actually mind-boggling that you want us to take you seriously on the topic, and didnt yet you didnt even know that. . [Edited 12/5/19 6:08am]

I believe that was well within the scope of the aca. As the aca says "as the directed" But by all means post the test of the eo.

Do your own homework only.




You made the claim back it up or don't...it's up to you. Like most things you say you do not back up...just make it up or parrot it...it ia cool.

Back up your aca claims first. Im not googling for you, especially on some two lines you typed that barely make sense
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Reply #17 posted 12/05/19 6:37am

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No surprise! , as I thought Cborgman is flat out wrong....

the executive order simply put directs the secretary to not implement the non tax penalty fine tax for people without a qualified plan. Which is perfectly within his authority as the ACA specifically states that such fines will be assessed "as the secretary (HHS) directs."


So nice try but a total failure... (since we are also talking about lies: one of barack's big lies was no new federal taxes for anyone making less than $250K...YET! one of the very first laws he signed was an increase to federal taxes)
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Reply #18 posted 12/05/19 6:43am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

No surprise! , as I thought Cborgman is flat out wrong.... the executive order simply put directs the secretary to not implement the non tax penalty fine tax for people without a qualified plan. Which is perfectly within his authority as the ACA specifically states that such fines will be assessed "as the secretary (HHS) directs." So nice try but a total failure... (since we are also talking about lies: one of barack's big lies was no new federal taxes for anyone making less than $250K...YET! one of the very first laws he signed was an increase to federal taxes)

from wiki:

Section 1, title "Policy", lays out the policies supporting the provisions of the order, noting that the order directs that the government "facilitate the purchase of insurance across State lines" and prioritizes "association health plans (AHPs), short-term, limited-duration insurance (STLDI), and health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs)". Whereas Obamacare had prohibited insurance companies from selling low-cost short term health insurance plans "that can circumvent some of the mandates created under Obamacare",[4] such as requiring coverage for persons with preexisting conditions, and requiring coverage for various medical services. The order reversed this prohibition, and also directs the Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor, and Treasury to ease access to "association health plans", which also need not provide the coverage that had been mandated by Obamacare, and expands health savings accounts.[4]

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yet again, youre lying. go figure. you just never get sick of being caught in lies, do you?

you couldnt even make it to page 2 of the thread without fulfilling your deep need to flat-out lie about something.

have you looked up sociopathy yet? cause constant lies are a big red flag on it.

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Reply #19 posted 12/05/19 7:00am

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

No surprise! , as I thought Cborgman is flat out wrong.... the executive order simply put directs the secretary to not implement the non tax penalty fine tax for people without a qualified plan. Which is perfectly within his authority as the ACA specifically states that such fines will be assessed "as the secretary (HHS) directs." So nice try but a total failure... (since we are also talking about lies: one of barack's big lies was no new federal taxes for anyone making less than $250K...YET! one of the very first laws he signed was an increase to federal taxes)

from wiki:

Section 1, title "Policy", lays out the policies supporting the provisions of the order, noting that the order directs that the government "facilitate the purchase of insurance across State lines" and prioritizes "association health plans (AHPs), short-term, limited-duration insurance (STLDI), and health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs)".

Whereas Obamacare had prohibited insurance companies from selling low-cost short term health insurance plans "that can circumvent some of the mandates created under Obamacare",such as requiring coverage for persons with preexisting conditions, and requiring coverage for various medical services. The order reversed this prohibition,
and also directs the Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor, and Treasury to ease access to "association health plans", which also need not provide the coverage that had been mandated by Obamacare, and expands health savings accounts.


yet again, youre lying. go figure. you just never get sick of being caught in lies, do you?
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There are people already suffering from these nothing policies. One was on 60 minutes on Sunday. Her insurance would not pay for follow up mammograms after she had breast cancer. She appealed it 3 times and got a hard NO - until she was on TV.

What the order did was make it legal to sell an insurance policy with basically no coverage.

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Reply #20 posted 12/05/19 12:23pm

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Everyone always hates the other guy for doing exactly as their guy does.

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guitarslinger44 said:

Everyone always hates the other guy for doing exactly as their guy does.



Yeah right.
Trump is a piece of shit on a magnitude above and beyond not just ANY politician as high profile, it in the general scheme of pieces of shut in general.
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said:

Everyone always hates the other guy for doing exactly as their guy does.

Yeah right. Trump is a piece of shit on a magnitude above and beyond not just ANY politician as high profile, it in the general scheme of pieces of shut in general.

Right - there is no comparison. Obama did not use his executive order privilege to prevent people from getting preventative health care, only Trump has that distinction - elevating his piece-of-shit status to the astronomical level it is at now nod

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guitarslinger44 said:

Everyone always hates the other guy for doing exactly as their guy does.

well, heres the thing. i really dont ever remember people complaining during bush or clinton. i dont recall this ever really being a big complaint.

but then all of a sudden, under obama people were grossly offended by executive orders, because of course their tv told them to grossly offended.

then right during jan 2017 it suddenly became a non issue. trump literally gleefully went after the ACA mere hours after being sworn in, and is on pace to issue more of them than any president in history, if given a second term. he himself used to constantly attack obama for them, calling them power grabs, because his tv told him too.

cut to this thread and week, where one of the most offended pre-1/17 is now resorting to lying about what is in trumps EOs rather than admit he no longer cares about them because a right winger is now the one issuing them.


the right made this an issue. i really dont remember much if any complaints about them before the right was desperate to find something to attack obama on. now their fake outrage that suddenly disappeared when trump took office is non-existent, and its obvious why.


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Reply #24 posted 12/05/19 2:57pm

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well, heres the thing. i really dont ever remember people complaining during bush or clinton. i dont recall this ever really being a big complaint.


but then all of a sudden, under obama people were grossly offended by executive orders, because of course their tv told them to grossly offended.

then right during jan 2017 it suddenly became a non issue. trump literally gleefully went after the ACA mere hours after being sworn in, and is on pace to issue more of them than any president in history, if given a second term. he himself used to constantly attack obama for them, calling them power grabs, because his tv told him too.

cut to this thread and week, where one of the most offended pre-1/17 is now resorting to lying about what is in trumps EOs rather than admit he no longer cares about them because a right winger is now the one issuing them.


the right made this an issue. i really dont remember much if any complaints about them before the right was desperate to find something to attack obama on. now their fake outrage that suddenly disappeared when trump took office is non-existent, and its obvious why.


Trump is the most polarizing President we've had in my lifetime. Issues were not as partisan as they are now. People trying to make it like it's always been that way. Nope.

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poppys said:

cborgman said:

well, heres the thing. i really dont ever remember people complaining during bush or clinton. i dont recall this ever really being a big complaint.


but then all of a sudden, under obama people were grossly offended by executive orders, because of course their tv told them to grossly offended.

then right during jan 2017 it suddenly became a non issue. trump literally gleefully went after the ACA mere hours after being sworn in, and is on pace to issue more of them than any president in history, if given a second term. he himself used to constantly attack obama for them, calling them power grabs, because his tv told him too.

cut to this thread and week, where one of the most offended pre-1/17 is now resorting to lying about what is in trumps EOs rather than admit he no longer cares about them because a right winger is now the one issuing them.


the right made this an issue. i really dont remember much if any complaints about them before the right was desperate to find something to attack obama on. now their fake outrage that suddenly disappeared when trump took office is non-existent, and its obvious why.


Trump is the most polarizing President we've had in my lifetime. Issues were not as partisan as they are now. People trying to make it like it's always been that way. Nope.

I've said this before : I disagreed (vehemently at times) with Reagan and both Bushs on policy and their views. I think Trump is a bad and evil man, one with a heart full of hatred and vengence and violence

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guitarslinger44 said:

Everyone always hates the other guy for doing exactly as their guy does.



It did not used to be that way. Rush Limbaugh is most responsible for the division we have today.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said: Yeah right. Trump is a piece of shit on a magnitude above and beyond not just ANY politician as high profile, it in the general scheme of pieces of shut in general.

Right - there is no comparison. Obama did not use his executive order privilege to prevent people from getting preventative health care, only Trump has that distinction - elevating his piece-of-shit status to the astronomical level it is at now nod

Irrelevant to the law *and oh yeah trump did not make it harder to get insurance that is just something someone made up but that is par for the coerce*

and I know of NO examples where trump tried to change a law or bypass congress or the courts (as barack said he would do and did with his). The silly example given up topic was simply not a case of changing the ACA but one of how to follow it as written. To ask for them to look into selling plans across state lines is not by passing the process... even if that is/was prohibited specifically by law (the ACA or otherwise) asking to Secretary to look into how it could be done is not by passing as it left the means to do so open and did not exclude a legislative fix.

but this topic proves how partisan some here are... they make up lies about trump but ignore the issue of their own side.

And speaking of exercising Privilege: an honest person would have to admit there was something fishy with how the people pushing the ACA (and the plans offered on the Exchange which ARE NOT the same as their twins offed on the open market) on the people refused to be subjected to it.

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RodeoSchro said:

guitarslinger44 said:

Everyone always hates the other guy for doing exactly as their guy does.



It did not used to be that way. Rush Limbaugh is most responsible for the division we have today.

translation you do not like him (just like me) but instead of doing what a rational being would do (like me) and simply not listing to him... you feel compelled to try to make it so no one can. I am not sure if you have specifically threaded him with violence (as I believe you have others: Bill Maher maybe?) but it is clear your unhinged hate for him as paid his rent to live in your head.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



It did not used to be that way. Rush Limbaugh is most responsible for the division we have today.

translation Translation: you You do not like him (just like me) but instead of doing what a rational being would do (like me) and simply not listing listening to him... you feel compelled to try to make it so no one can. I am not sure if you have specifically threaded threatened him with violence (as I believe you have others: Bill Maher maybe?) but it is clear your unhinged hate hatred for him as has paid his rent to live in your head.



I've never threaded...errrr, threatened anyone. Nor have I ever advocated to "try to make it so no one can" listen to Rush Limbaugh. Other than those two tiny mistakes, your post contains the usual drivel.

Rush Limbaugh has done more to damage the United States of America than anyone in history. The more people who realize and accept that irrefutable fact, the fewer will listen to him and his ilk. The fewer that listen to him and his ilk, the less hatred there will be for one another in our society. The less hatred for one another in our society, the better our society will be.

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