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Suicide?

I saw this episode the other day. Really good piece, great acting. Great subject.

Edith Bunker, admits to assisting in someones life ending. They never really go further into how it happened, i don't think. https://www.youtube.com/w...l1ZIiCR5pw
In many of our discussions on shootings, we include of course suicides by guns.
Very sensitive topic, and no one wants to hear that someone they know/love left

the earth, let alone by suicide. Especially when the person is young.
I have a friend, ex military, hard worker, happy guy, newley a grandfather. He was in his upper 60s and strong, except that he developed lung cancer. Long story short, he got all his affair in order, organized everything, laid on his couch and shot himself.

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Now I know sometimes, people who break, depending on the circumstances kill others before killing themselves. But in most cases people who choose to end their lives, go out by themselve. Or ask for assistance.

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What are your thoughts about suicide, even by guns? and suicide in general?

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Reply #1 posted 11/26/19 10:29am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I saw this episode the other day. Really good piece, great acting. Great subject.

Edith Bunker, admits to assisting in someones life ending. They never really go further into how it happened, i don't think. https://www.youtube.com/w...l1ZIiCR5pw
In many of our discussions on shootings, we include of course suicides by guns.
Very sensitive topic, and no one wants to hear that someone they know/love left

the earth, let alone by suicide. Especially when the person is young.
I have a friend, ex military, hard worker, happy guy, newley a grandfather. He was in his upper 60s and strong, except that he developed lung cancer. Long story short, he got all his affair in order, organized everything, laid on his couch and shot himself.

.

Now I know sometimes, people who break, depending on the circumstances kill others before killing themselves. But in most cases people who choose to end their lives, go out by themselve. Or ask for assistance.

.

What are your thoughts about suicide, even by guns? and suicide in general?

.

I think assisted dying should be legalised. That way we could aid a certain segment of society to die with dignity. Probably one of the few positives about the gun is that it is fast, and reliable, although that also is a bad thing as people don't have time to think like they might whilst sat on top of a bridge. I'll always feel sorry for those left to pick up the pieces.

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Reply #2 posted 11/26/19 3:35pm

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maplenpg said:



OldFriends4Sale said:



I saw this episode the other day. Really good piece, great acting. Great subject.


Edith Bunker, admits to assisting in someones life ending. They never really go further into how it happened, i don't think. https://www.youtube.com/w...l1ZIiCR5pw
In many of our discussions on shootings, we include of course suicides by guns.
Very sensitive topic, and no one wants to hear that someone they know/love left


the earth, let alone by suicide. Especially when the person is young.
I have a friend, ex military, hard worker, happy guy, newley a grandfather. He was in his upper 60s and strong, except that he developed lung cancer. Long story short, he got all his affair in order, organized everything, laid on his couch and shot himself.


.


Now I know sometimes, people who break, depending on the circumstances kill others before killing themselves. But in most cases people who choose to end their lives, go out by themselve. Or ask for assistance.


.


What are your thoughts about suicide, even by guns? and suicide in general?



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I think assisted dying should be legalised. That way we could aid a certain segment of society to die with dignity. Probably one of the few positives about the gun is that it is fast, and reliable, although that also is a bad thing as people don't have time to think like they might whilst sat on top of a bridge. I'll always feel sorry for those left to pick up the pieces.


I don't think u meant it that way but, those were the wrong choice of words.


Sometimes suicide feels like the only option that makes sense when u're in chronic physical and emotional pain and u don't see an end to the pain.
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Reply #3 posted 11/26/19 4:20pm

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One of my good friends & musical partners ended his own life earlier this year. He was suffering from Parkinson's and the complications had made his life virtually unlivable - constant pain, no independence, no quality of life to speak of. There was no prognosis for improvement, just more deterioration, which would have eventually resulted in Alzheimers. And once it reached that point, he would not have the option to end his own life. He told me he was considering it a couple months prior to that and I was pretty freaked out. I had helped him move out some of his belongings, at the time he was looking into an assisted living situation, which didn't work out. Not long after that, I heard from a mutual friend that he had done it. He got a hospice to help him with the process, verify his condition and handle all the paperwork required. A few friends were with him as he passed. It was hard to process all this at once. I never questioned that he had the right to do this, or that it was the right decision. I kind of wish I had not blinked when he asked me for help. But he was able to do it and had people who cared for him with him while he did. I heard that he respected my choice not to be involved, which wasn't actually the choice I made, I kind of decided to wait to decide... and then the choice was made for me. It was devastating news but when I think, if I had to hear the news that he was getting worse and worse, suffering with no end in sight, I would find that unbearable.
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Reply #4 posted 11/26/19 5:16pm

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maplenpg said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I saw this episode the other day. Really good piece, great acting. Great subject.

Edith Bunker, admits to assisting in someones life ending. They never really go further into how it happened, i don't think. https://www.youtube.com/w...l1ZIiCR5pw
In many of our discussions on shootings, we include of course suicides by guns.
Very sensitive topic, and no one wants to hear that someone they know/love left

the earth, let alone by suicide. Especially when the person is young.
I have a friend, ex military, hard worker, happy guy, newley a grandfather. He was in his upper 60s and strong, except that he developed lung cancer. Long story short, he got all his affair in order, organized everything, laid on his couch and shot himself.

.

Now I know sometimes, people who break, depending on the circumstances kill others before killing themselves. But in most cases people who choose to end their lives, go out by themselve. Or ask for assistance.

.

What are your thoughts about suicide, even by guns? and suicide in general?

.

I think assisted dying should be legalised. That way we could aid a certain segment of society to die with dignity. Probably one of the few positives about the gun is that it is fast, and reliable, although that also is a bad thing as people don't have time to think like they might whilst sat on top of a bridge. I'll always feel sorry for those left to pick up the pieces.


I agree with this. Seeing my grandfather kept alive for several years when he was ready to go long before he died was tough. I get that assisted suicide can be a touchy subject but ultimately what a person does with their own life should be their choice.

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Reply #5 posted 11/26/19 6:21pm

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I watched a legally assisted suicide on tv. I see the person's point.

I forget which country but they have it for children, that's a bit unnerving.
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Reply #6 posted 11/26/19 6:49pm

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37 years ago today, I lost my beautiful, loving, 62 year grandma to suicide by gun.


5 years ago Dec. 3, I lost my 50 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


25 years ago April 6, I lost my 28 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


I hate, literally hate suicide.


The damage it does to the ones left behind lasts the rest of our lives.

I often wonder if these people knew the damage that their suicide caused to the ones left behind, if they'd actually do it.


Illness was not the cause of any of the above deaths.

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Reply #7 posted 11/26/19 7:35pm

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PennyPurple said:

37 years ago today, I lost my beautiful, loving, 62 year grandma to suicide by gun.


5 years ago Dec. 3, I lost my 50 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


25 years ago April 6, I lost my 28 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


I hate, literally hate suicide.


The damage it does to the ones left behind lasts the rest of our lives.

I often wonder if these people knew the damage that their suicide caused to the ones left behind, if they'd actually do it.


Illness was not the cause of any of the above deaths.


I'm very sorry to hear about what you've had to deal with over the years.

You're 100% correct about lifelong damage, especially to those who discover the body.

While it's impossible to ever know what they were thinking that led to the suicide, I do believe many would NOT do it because they'd realize at least one person loves them and doesn't want to lose them. Quite often those who kill themselves believe nobody cares about them, so they don't think anybody will be hurt by their actions.

The really sad thing about it all are those who think for a brief moment that life isn't worth living. If they can just survive the one night of depression, they are fine.

That happened with a relative of mine. She was so depressed about a situation she never should have been in, that she didn't want to go on. But she got through it, and 5 years later she is happy and enjoying life.





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Reply #8 posted 11/26/19 8:31pm

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The problem with this thread is that there are two very different types of suicide.

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The planned assisted suicide properly thought out an normally due to facing a difficult and inevitable death from a disease or condition - This is assisted dieing. Here the best response is better hospice care and proper processes to assist people and their family's through the process of dieing. Assisted suicide, withholding of treatments, helping the immediate people affected, allowong dieing with dignity etc are all part of this.

.

Then there is the vast majority of suicides: The result of a temporary inabilty to handle or face an issue. In this case most people do not seek to commit suicide if they talk to someone within 20 minutes of the rash and panicked decision. Professional suicide prevention organisations like LifeLine in Australia recognise this, as rules to limit encouraging copycat suicides in the imediate period after a suicide within a family, school or local community group.

.

The reason access to guns is such an issue especially for places with more guns and less restrictions on their use is this fact that most people who suicide would not suicide if they spoke to some one within 20 minutes of a spur of the moment decision to commit suicide. Actually suiciding is very hard, but a gun being immediately available makes it too easy and quick - based on those who fail to kill themselves with a gun in real attempted suicie, a very high proportion of these people who succeeded would have been happy to fail in the attempt if they got appropriate help.

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Reply #9 posted 11/26/19 10:36pm

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c0raz0n said:

maplenpg said:

I think assisted dying should be legalised. That way we could aid a certain segment of society to die with dignity. Probably one of the few positives about the gun is that it is fast, and reliable, although that also is a bad thing as people don't have time to think like they might whilst sat on top of a bridge. I'll always feel sorry for those left to pick up the pieces.

I don't think u meant it that way but, those were the wrong choice of words. Sometimes suicide feels like the only option that makes sense when u're in chronic physical and emotional pain and u don't see an end to the pain.

I apologise for my choice of words. I'm actually helping someone right now who is suicidal (emotional pain). You are right, she doesn't see an end to the pain. We are taking one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time.

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Reply #10 posted 11/26/19 10:40pm

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bobzilla77 said:

One of my good friends & musical partners ended his own life earlier this year. He was suffering from Parkinson's and the complications had made his life virtually unlivable - constant pain, no independence, no quality of life to speak of. There was no prognosis for improvement, just more deterioration, which would have eventually resulted in Alzheimers. And once it reached that point, he would not have the option to end his own life. He told me he was considering it a couple months prior to that and I was pretty freaked out. I had helped him move out some of his belongings, at the time he was looking into an assisted living situation, which didn't work out. Not long after that, I heard from a mutual friend that he had done it. He got a hospice to help him with the process, verify his condition and handle all the paperwork required. A few friends were with him as he passed. It was hard to process all this at once. I never questioned that he had the right to do this, or that it was the right decision. I kind of wish I had not blinked when he asked me for help. But he was able to do it and had people who cared for him with him while he did. I heard that he respected my choice not to be involved, which wasn't actually the choice I made, I kind of decided to wait to decide... and then the choice was made for me. It was devastating news but when I think, if I had to hear the news that he was getting worse and worse, suffering with no end in sight, I would find that unbearable.

I'm sorry to hear this, yet I agree fully with your last sentence.

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PennyPurple said:

37 years ago today, I lost my beautiful, loving, 62 year grandma to suicide by gun.


5 years ago Dec. 3, I lost my 50 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


25 years ago April 6, I lost my 28 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


I hate, literally hate suicide.


The damage it does to the ones left behind lasts the rest of our lives.

I often wonder if these people knew the damage that their suicide caused to the ones left behind, if they'd actually do it.


Illness was not the cause of any of the above deaths.

Penny, that's awful. I'm so sorry. As I put in my other post I'm literally dealng with someone who is ready to take their life. Thank goodness we don't have guns as she would have used it by now. I'm trying to talk to her about all the people that love her, but I'm not sure she's listening.

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Reply #12 posted 11/26/19 10:44pm

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Last I checked, assisting someone with a gun is called murder everywhere in the world, I think it should remain that way forever.
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Reply #13 posted 11/26/19 10:46pm

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IanRG said:

The problem with this thread is that there are two very different types of suicide.

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The planned assisted suicide properly thought out an normally due to facing a difficult and inevitable death from a disease or condition - This is assisted dieing. Here the best response is better hospice care and proper processes to assist people and their family's through the process of dieing. Assisted suicide, withholding of treatments, helping the immediate people affected, allowong dieing with dignity etc are all part of this.

.

Then there is the vast majority of suicides: The result of a temporary inabilty to handle or face an issue. In this case most people do not seek to commit suicide if they talk to someone within 20 minutes of the rash and panicked decision. Professional suicide prevention organisations like LifeLine in Australia recognise this, as rules to limit encouraging copycat suicides in the imediate period after a suicide within a family, school or local community group.

.

The reason access to guns is such an issue especially for places with more guns and less restrictions on their use is this fact that most people who suicide would not suicide if they spoke to some one within 20 minutes of a spur of the moment decision to commit suicide. Actually suiciding is very hard, but a gun being immediately available makes it too easy and quick - based on those who fail to kill themselves with a gun in real attempted suicie, a very high proportion of these people who succeeded would have been happy to fail in the attempt if they got appropriate help.

I agree with all of this. I'm very lucky that my friend picked up the phone, I cannot state enough that the person she spoke to saved her life. That call has put in place a series of responses from the authorities until they deem her to not be a risk to herself. That is so comforting to those around her that cannot be there 24/7. Talking is not given enough of a platform. I'm just trying to keep her talking, otherwise she's left alone with her thoughts.

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Reply #14 posted 11/27/19 4:54am

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maplenpg said:

PennyPurple said:

37 years ago today, I lost my beautiful, loving, 62 year grandma to suicide by gun.


5 years ago Dec. 3, I lost my 50 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


25 years ago April 6, I lost my 28 year old step brother to suicide by gun.


I hate, literally hate suicide.


The damage it does to the ones left behind lasts the rest of our lives.

I often wonder if these people knew the damage that their suicide caused to the ones left behind, if they'd actually do it.


Illness was not the cause of any of the above deaths.

Penny, that's awful. I'm so sorry. As I put in my other post I'm literally dealng with someone who is ready to take their life. Thank goodness we don't have guns as she would have used it by now. I'm trying to talk to her about all the people that love her, but I'm not sure she's listening.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But to those who are depressed and suffering it doesn't seem to them that it is a temporary problem.


A few years (2) after my grandma died I got married, she could have been there. A few years after that I had the 1st great grand baby, she could have been there. 37 years and I still have a bit of anger towards her death. She missed out on sooo very much, all by her own doing.


If people really knew the damage it causes to the ones left living, maybe they wouldn't do it.


I've been there, I've been so low that I didn't want to go on living, but I knew I had to for my family, even though I thought they'd be better off with out me.

I sincerely hope that your friend finds their life worth living and will go on to have a happy, wonderful life.

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IanRG said:

The problem with this thread is that there are two very different types of suicide.

.

The planned assisted suicide properly thought out an normally due to facing a difficult and inevitable death from a disease or condition - This is assisted dieing. Here the best response is better hospice care and proper processes to assist people and their family's through the process of dieing. Assisted suicide, withholding of treatments, helping the immediate people affected, allowong dieing with dignity etc are all part of this.

.

Then there is the vast majority of suicides: The result of a temporary inabilty to handle or face an issue. In this case most people do not seek to commit suicide if they talk to someone within 20 minutes of the rash and panicked decision. Professional suicide prevention organisations like LifeLine in Australia recognise this, as rules to limit encouraging copycat suicides in the imediate period after a suicide within a family, school or local community group.

.

The reason access to guns is such an issue especially for places with more guns and less restrictions on their use is this fact that most people who suicide would not suicide if they spoke to some one within 20 minutes of a spur of the moment decision to commit suicide. Actually suiciding is very hard, but a gun being immediately available makes it too easy and quick - based on those who fail to kill themselves with a gun in real attempted suicie, a very high proportion of these people who succeeded would have been happy to fail in the attempt if they got appropriate help.

Hospice care is such a wonderful thing. They really, really help guide the entire family through this.



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IanRG said:

The problem with this thread is that there are two very different types of suicide.

.

The planned assisted suicide properly thought out an normally due to facing a difficult and inevitable death from a disease or condition - This is assisted dieing. Here the best response is better hospice care and proper processes to assist people and their family's through the process of dieing. Assisted suicide, withholding of treatments, helping the immediate people affected, allowong dieing with dignity etc are all part of this.

.

Then there is the vast majority of suicides: The result of a temporary inabilty to handle or face an issue. In this case most people do not seek to commit suicide if they talk to someone within 20 minutes of the rash and panicked decision. Professional suicide prevention organisations like LifeLine in Australia recognise this, as rules to limit encouraging copycat suicides in the imediate period after a suicide within a family, school or local community group.

.

The reason access to guns is such an issue especially for places with more guns and less restrictions on their use is this fact that most people who suicide would not suicide if they spoke to some one within 20 minutes of a spur of the moment decision to commit suicide. Actually suiciding is very hard, but a gun being immediately available makes it too easy and quick - based on those who fail to kill themselves with a gun in real attempted suicie, a very high proportion of these people who succeeded would have been happy to fail in the attempt if they got appropriate help.

There is no problem with the thread, I just want to talk about suicide, in any form, and what people feel/think from whatever angle. Which is what everyone is doing and what I tried to include in the OP. It's already and always a hard subject to breach. We can come together and have understanding and no fighting in this one. The real issue, is about how we view suicide, whether a gun is used, dumping off a bridge or pills.

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I tried to include and open it so everyone can talk about angles they are coming from.
I literally started the thread 4 days ago, and it took that long for me to finally just say/ask, what I could and post it.

Especially coming up to certain holidays, it happens for various reasons.

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I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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PennyPurple said:

maplenpg said:

Penny, that's awful. I'm so sorry. As I put in my other post I'm literally dealng with someone who is ready to take their life. Thank goodness we don't have guns as she would have used it by now. I'm trying to talk to her about all the people that love her, but I'm not sure she's listening.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But to those who are depressed and suffering it doesn't seem to them that it is a temporary problem.


A few years (2) after my grandma died I got married, she could have been there. A few years after that I had the 1st great grand baby, she could have been there. 37 years and I still have a bit of anger towards her death. She missed out on sooo very much, all by her own doing.


If people really knew the damage it causes to the ones left living, maybe they wouldn't do it.


I've been there, I've been so low that I didn't want to go on living, but I knew I had to for my family, even though I thought they'd be better off with out me.

I sincerely hope that your friend finds their life worth living and will go on to have a happy, wonderful life.

Do you think the pain is different, if she had died from an accident or just passed away?
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I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
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Did he put your million dollar check
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onlyforaminute said:

Last I checked, assisting someone with a gun is called murder everywhere in the world, I think it should remain that way forever.

Usually the person that wants to go out has the gun themselves. Like in my friends situation, he legally owned the gun. . There are situations and have been, like in wars and situations where people can be captured by an enemy because they were trapped or they were so badly wounded, that they either killed themselves or asked a comrade to do so for them.
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I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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I got into it with a few people who have a condemning view on suicide, when it came down to the people who 'jumped' from the twin towers. These people called it suicide, but I disagreed. I read a few pieces on opinions on that, and found that others did two. Even though it looked like suicide, that it was more like the person in a war caught between a rock and a hard place. They did not wake up that morning and say, hmm life is really bad I think I will jump.
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Reply #20 posted 11/27/19 7:00am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

IanRG said:

The problem with this thread is that there are two very different types of suicide.

.

The planned assisted suicide properly thought out an normally due to facing a difficult and inevitable death from a disease or condition - This is assisted dieing. Here the best response is better hospice care and proper processes to assist people and their family's through the process of dieing. Assisted suicide, withholding of treatments, helping the immediate people affected, allowong dieing with dignity etc are all part of this.

.

Then there is the vast majority of suicides: The result of a temporary inabilty to handle or face an issue. In this case most people do not seek to commit suicide if they talk to someone within 20 minutes of the rash and panicked decision. Professional suicide prevention organisations like LifeLine in Australia recognise this, as rules to limit encouraging copycat suicides in the imediate period after a suicide within a family, school or local community group.

.

The reason access to guns is such an issue especially for places with more guns and less restrictions on their use is this fact that most people who suicide would not suicide if they spoke to some one within 20 minutes of a spur of the moment decision to commit suicide. Actually suiciding is very hard, but a gun being immediately available makes it too easy and quick - based on those who fail to kill themselves with a gun in real attempted suicie, a very high proportion of these people who succeeded would have been happy to fail in the attempt if they got appropriate help.

There is no problem with the thread, I just want to talk about suicide, in any form, and what people feel/think from whatever angle. Which is what everyone is doing and what I tried to include in the OP. It's already and always a hard subject to breach. We can come together and have understanding and no fighting in this one. The real issue, is about how we view suicide, whether a gun is used, dumping off a bridge or pills.

.

I tried to include and open it so everyone can talk about angles they are coming from.
I literally started the thread 4 days ago, and it took that long for me to finally just say/ask, what I could and post it.

Especially coming up to certain holidays, it happens for various reasons.

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You are miss interpreting my comment. By "problem" all I meant is what I said: There are (at least) two very different issues with two very different ways of managing them.

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Increasing understanding requires that suicide be split between seeking to control the envitable as with euthanasia in face of a terminal disease or your example with the those choosing to avoid being burned alive in the Twin Towers by jumping and those who are making a temporary and instant decision as a temporary mental health issue - those that if they fail and get help regret the attempt.

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The solutions to the first are how to better handle the natural course of life: to the second it is how to better help those in trouble. In this, the answer to your real issue on the views about suicide is that there needs to be very different views and solutions depending on what is meant by suicide. In regards to euthanasia, we need better treatments, mananagement plans and better ways to give people more control and less fear about their conditions. In regard to suicide, the solution is how we treat those with mental health issues including instant temporary ones.

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This is the problem and one you recognised in the 4 days it took you frame the question

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So here are the different sides of 'suicide' that have impacted me

1. My friend who shot himself as a result of lung cancer.
He was also a seasonal worker with my dept, and he was in his off season. We had done some tree work at his house early February of the year, and I received a mailed envelope from him at the office, that include a letter of thanks and telling me to buy lunch for the guys on him. And inside included 3 crisp $20 bills. At the end of the month the police and refuse guys were pulling the couch that he laid on out the house.

2. In my early 20 I worked at a main public library. When I started out, it was in the books mail center and thta was called LS-Lower Stacks. It was right over the river and subway/canal. Very beautiful view. It was also one story lower than the bridges over the river. The one bridge had a nickname because it is where people tended to jump. The first week I started their there was a commotion and we ran to the wind to see someone having crossed over the bridge safety to jump. I actually forget how this ended.

3. Walking to work one day, getting ready to cross an expressway/overpass-bridge, I was directed to go north and come all the way back around to get to my job. There was someone ready to jump into expressway traffic.

4. Last year on the way to work, everyone had to detour from a small overpass, because that spot, the overpass was over a railroad. Someone had hung themself sometime that morning.

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onlyforaminute said:

Last I checked, assisting someone with a gun is called murder everywhere in the world, I think it should remain that way forever.



Usually the person that wants to go out has the gun themselves. Like in my friends situation, he legally owned the gun.
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There are situations and have been, like in wars and situations where people can be captured by an enemy because they were trapped or they were so badly wounded, that they either killed themselves or asked a comrade to do so for them.


I don't know if we are supposed to be bragging about how many people we knew committed suicide or who we knew that did it with a gun. I would assume most adults knoew somebody who has done it, the numbers are high. It definitely screws with you when you find out someone reached that level. I was focusing on assisting someone, even if they pulled the trigger themselves i don't see how that wouldn't cause the one assisting some long term psychological damage unless they are already pretty damaged and enjoy watching. Let alone all the legal implications. How does one prove the dead one intended suicide, video? That's sick. I'd only ever support medically supervised if it just came down to it, i's dotted, t's crossed.
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Penny, that's awful. I'm so sorry. As I put in my other post I'm literally dealng with someone who is ready to take their life. Thank goodness we don't have guns as she would have used it by now. I'm trying to talk to her about all the people that love her, but I'm not sure she's listening.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But to those who are depressed and suffering it doesn't seem to them that it is a temporary problem.


A few years (2) after my grandma died I got married, she could have been there. A few years after that I had the 1st great grand baby, she could have been there. 37 years and I still have a bit of anger towards her death. She missed out on sooo very much, all by her own doing.


If people really knew the damage it causes to the ones left living, maybe they wouldn't do it.


I've been there, I've been so low that I didn't want to go on living, but I knew I had to for my family, even though I thought they'd be better off with out me.

I sincerely hope that your friend finds their life worth living and will go on to have a happy, wonderful life.

Thanks Penny, I hope so too.

And thank you for your honest and open insight. It's helped me more than you can ever know hug

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onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Usually the person that wants to go out has the gun themselves. Like in my friends situation, he legally owned the gun. . There are situations and have been, like in wars and situations where people can be captured by an enemy because they were trapped or they were so badly wounded, that they either killed themselves or asked a comrade to do so for them.
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Who is bragging, or said we should be bragging?
Some of the 'not talking about it' goes back to the uncomfortable idea of suicide.
It's happening, but don't talk about. But it's ok to talk about murders and death from accidents.

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And yes, death (someone we know/love leaving this earth) in and of itself screws with you. I mean death for most people I would say messes us up. Add that someone decided to take themselves out of this world, no matter how is even moreso. And I don't think there is a real resolve to it. You just deal with it all.

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Like is suicide by a gun more disturbing from hanging? or cutting of wrists? or Jumping?
Which image is 'less disturbing' sleeping pills maybe

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It is said that people usually leave a message a note some kind of last communication on why or goodbye

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Assisted suicide is defined as suicide committed with the aid of another person, sometimes a doctor. "Assisted suicide" has been used to describe what proponents refer to as medical aid in dying in the United States for terminally ill adults who self-administer barbiturates if they feel that they are suffering significantly. The term is often used interchangeably with physician-assisted suicide (PAS), "physician-assisted dying", "physician-assisted death", "assisted death" and "aid in dying".

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Assisted suicide is similar to but distinct from euthanasia (sometimes called "mercy killing"). In cases of euthanasia, another party acts to bring about the person's death in order to end ongoing suffering. In cases of assisted suicide, a second person provides the means through which the individual is able to voluntarily end their own life, but they do not directly cause the individual's death.

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Physician-assisted death or "medical aid in dying" is legal in ten jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine (starting January 1, 2020), New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington. These laws (excluding Montana since there is no law) expressly state that "actions taken in accordance with [the Act] shall not, for any purpose, constitute suicide, assisted suicide, mercy killing or homicide, under the law". This distinguishes the legal act of "medical aid in dying" from the act of helping someone commit suicide, which is prohibited by statute in 42 states and prohibited by common law in an additional six states and the District of Columbia. Opponents see no such distinction.

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A 2018 poll by Gallup displayed that a solid majority of Americans, with 72 percent in favor, support laws allowing patients to seek the assistance of a physician in ending their life. Nevertheless, assisted suicide remains illegal in a majority of states across the nation.

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DARK BLUE -Legal
Blue - Legal under court ruling
Red - Illegal


1 In some states assisted suicide is protected through court ruling even though specific legislation allowing it does not exist.

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onlyforaminute said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



Usually the person that wants to go out has the gun themselves. Like in my friends situation, he legally owned the gun. . There are situations and have been, like in wars and situations where people can be captured by an enemy because they were trapped or they were so badly wounded, that they either killed themselves or asked a comrade to do so for them.

I don't know if we are supposed to be bragging about how many people we knew committed suicide or who we knew that did it with a gun. I would assume most adults knoew somebody who has done it, the numbers are high. It definitely screws with you when you find out someone reached that level. I was focusing on assisting someone, even if they pulled the trigger themselves i don't see how that wouldn't cause the one assisting some long term psychological damage unless they are already pretty damaged and enjoy watching. Let alone all the legal implications. How does one prove the dead one intended suicide, video? That's sick. I'd only ever support medically supervised if it just came down to it, i's dotted, t's crossed.


Who is bragging, or said we should be bragging?
Some of the 'not talking about it' goes back to the uncomfortable idea of suicide.
It's happening, but don't talk about. But it's ok to talk about murders and death from accidents.


.
And yes, death (someone we know/love leaving this earth) in and of itself screws with you. I mean death for most people I would say messes us up. Add that someone decided to take themselves out of this world, no matter how is even moreso. And I don't think there is a real resolve to it. You just deal with it all.


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Like is suicide by a gun more disturbing from hanging? or cutting of wrists? or Jumping?
Which image is 'less disturbing' sleeping pills maybe


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It is said that people usually leave a message a note some kind of last communication on why or goodbye




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PennyPurple said:

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But to those who are depressed and suffering it doesn't seem to them that it is a temporary problem.


A few years (2) after my grandma died I got married, she could have been there. A few years after that I had the 1st great grand baby, she could have been there. 37 years and I still have a bit of anger towards her death. She missed out on sooo very much, all by her own doing.


If people really knew the damage it causes to the ones left living, maybe they wouldn't do it.


I've been there, I've been so low that I didn't want to go on living, but I knew I had to for my family, even though I thought they'd be better off with out me.

I sincerely hope that your friend finds their life worth living and will go on to have a happy, wonderful life.

Do you think the pain is different, if she had died from an accident or just passed away?

Yes, the pain is totally different.


There are no answers and never will be. I've lost lots of people in my life, some I got to say goodbye to, some I didn't. The suicide ones have totally different pain. It hurts every part of my being.

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It was the Netherlands.
peds.2017-1343.full (1).pdf
The Case
Adults and children of 12 years of
age and older can legally request
euthanasia in the Netherlands under
the 2002 Euthanasia Law. Requests for
euthanasia often come from patients
experiencing unbearable suffering
with no prospect of improvement.
Their requests must be made earnestly
and with full conviction and are only
honored if patients and their doctors
see euthanasia as the only escape
from the situation. Acts of euthanasia
are reported to the Ministry of Health
and are reviewed to ensure that they
comply with the law. In addition, since
2005, neonatal euthanasia for infants
<1 year of age has been permitted by
a policy known as the 2005 Groningen
Protocol.
In the past 10 years, 2 cases of
neonatal euthanasia were reported,
and in the last 15 years, 7 cases of
euthanasia in minors between 12 and
18 years old have been reported. The
majority of cases concerned children
with terminal cancer. All cases were
retrospectively assessed by a
multidisciplinary review committee
and considered appropriate. Nobody
was prosecuted.
Dutch pediatricians and several
parent groups have argued that
severely ill children between 1 and
12 years of age and their families are
denied access to the same provisions
as newborns and older children
without good reason. They suggest
reevaluation of the current legal
situation and propose to extend the
newborn regulation to all children
who are 1 to 12 years of age. The
Minister of Health is considering
transformation of these propositions
into new regulation.
You are asked to advise the Minister
of Health. What advice would you
give?
Christopher Kaczor, PhD, Comment
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onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Usually the person that wants to go out has the gun themselves. Like in my friends situation, he legally owned the gun. . There are situations and have been, like in wars and situations where people can be captured by an enemy because they were trapped or they were so badly wounded, that they either killed themselves or asked a comrade to do so for them.
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I don't think anybody is bragging about how many people we know that committed suicide.


It's something one never gets over. It doesn't get easier for us either.


So because some of us told our story, it's considered bragging? So sorry you feel that way. Believe me, it's not bragging. It's not wanting sympathy, it's not wanting pity.


The thing is, with my grandma, 37 years ago, suicide wasn't talked about. Shhh...it is and was a family secret. I don't think that way. It needs to be opened up and talked about.


It is becoming more acceptable these days to be more open about it.



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