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Pete Buttigieg confronts his existential problem: Courting black voters

part of me suspects that him being a Gay American has a lot to do with this..

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/pete-buttigieg-confronts-his-existential-problem-courting-black-voters/ar-BBXkm9y?ocid=ientp

Pete Buttigieg has a problem.

After jumping to a commanding position in Iowa and improving his chances in New Hampshire, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, is confronting the real possibility that his inability to win over black voters will thwart his rise and, in the worst-case scenario for Buttigieg, sink his campaign.

Buttigieg has said for months that he needs "help" courting black voters and "has a lot of work to continue to do" in that effort. He has blamed his lack of support with African Americans on his lack of long-standing relationships that other presidential hopefuls, particularly former Vice President Joe Biden, have fostered for years.

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But months removed from those first admissions, Buttigieg's standing with black voters remains unchanged. A recent Quinnipiac University poll found him at 0% with black voters in South Carolina, and even some of his more devout supporters are starting to worry whether he can overcome this deficiency. Buttigieg also lags majorly behind his top competitors in endorsements from black elected officials.

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Black voters are critical to the Democratic Party, especially in South Carolina, where they will be a large and influential voting bloc in the party's electorate. But Buttigieg's inability to win black support will also hamper him in Nevada -- a state that is over 10% black and the third contest in the nominating process -- and a host of so-called Super Tuesday states like Alabama, Virginia and North Carolina, all places with large black populations that will vote on March 3.

"For working people, you cannot ask them to go outside of their norm,"

Jackson said.

"Because going outside of their norm can create chaos in their household."

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Reply #1 posted 11/26/19 8:12am

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He's the candidate who comes both from, and is for, the system as it stands, and the system is rigged against the poor, and the poor in the USA are disproportionately people of color.

People aren't allowed admit this so they'll lean on the homophobia angle, the same way they leaned on the sexism angle for Hillary.

Not to say that homophobia doesn't exist mind you.

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Reply #2 posted 11/26/19 8:24am

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Interesting article. Biden is the only one of the top polling Dems that has any significant black numbers so far.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...ocid=ientp


Nikita Jackson, who sits on the Rock Hill city council and introduced Buttigieg at the rally, says that event highlights that a campaign that wants to reach black has voters to go to them, not wait for black voters to come out to political events. She has urged the campaign to show up at local events rather than creating events and asking African American residents to come out, advice she says the campaign has taken.

"For working people, you cannot ask them to go outside of their norm," Jackson said. "Because going outside of their norm can create chaos in their household."

Jackson is talking about going outside the norm of their schedule, not voing outside the norm. But there is the gay problem too.

same article

...Buttigieg's sexuality and the black vote

Another dynamic that the Buttigieg campaign has had to confront is the role his sexual orientation will play with how more religious, older black voters view his candidacy.

"It's a huge factor for me, being a minister," Rev. Jerome Lewis, the 56-year old head of House of Worship Christian Center in Las Vegas, said shortly before offering the opening prayer for a Biden event in West Last Vegas. "I love him as a person, I just don't stand for his beliefs. I believe what the Bible says in regard to that. ... I just think some of his policies would be just not what my religious beliefs are."

"I think (it hurts him with black voters)," Lewis continued. "I think that is something that makes people of religion to look at that differently. ... It would play a factor."

[Edited 11/26/19 8:36am]

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Buttigieg's sexuality and the black vote

Another dynamic that the Buttigieg campaign has had to confront is the role his sexual orientation will play with how more religious, older black voters view his candidacy.

"It's a huge factor for me, being a minister," Rev. Jerome Lewis, the 56-year old head of House of Worship Christian Center in Las Vegas, said shortly before offering the opening prayer for a Biden event in West Last Vegas. "I love him as a person, I just don't stand for his beliefs. I believe what the Bible says in regard to that. ... I just think some of his policies would be just not what my religious beliefs are."

"I think (it hurts him with black voters)," Lewis continued. "I think that is something that makes people of religion to look at that differently. ... It would play a factor."

Jamal Brown, a Biden spokesman, responded to Lewis by saying Biden "has spent his career advancing LGBTQ rights" and that "He, and our entire campaign, welcome Mayor Pete's historic candidacy and disavow the pastor's views."

That contention has been hotly disputed by prominent Democrats, including Rev. Al Sharpton, who hosted Buttigieg at a National Action Network event in Atlanta last week.

"There are some homophobic blacks, there are some homophobic whites," Sharpton said. "We don't have an epidemic of homophophia, but we have some homophobics, just like any other community."

South Carolina Rep. Jim Clyburn, the dean of the Democratic Party in the state, from South Carolina said earlier this year there is "no question" Buttigieg being gay is an issue for older black voters in the state.

"I'm not going to sit here and tell you otherwise, because I think everybody knows that's an issue," Clyburn said. "But I'm saying it's an issue not the way it used to be. My own grandson is very much for him. He is a paid staffer working on the campaign."

Buttigieg responded to Clyburn by saying he believes people are capable of "moving past old prejudices."

Buttigieg more recently has sought to connect with black voters by talking about how he personally connects with the struggle for civil rights because of the fight for LGBTQ rights and his own "personal struggle" as a gay man.

At November's debate, during an exchange about his outreach to black voters, Buttigieg said, "While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country, turning on the news and seeing my own rights come up for debate, and seeing my rights expanded by a coalition of people like me and people not at all like me, working side by side, shoulder to shoulder, making it possible for me to be standing here."

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Reply #4 posted 11/26/19 8:29am

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jaawwnn said:

He's the candidate who comes both from, and is for, the system as it stands, and the system is rigged against the poor, and the poor in the USA are disproportionately people of color.

People aren't allowed admit this so they'll lean on the homophobia angle, the same way they leaned on the sexism angle for Hillary.

Not to say that homophobia doesn't exist mind you.


What people aren't allowed to admit the system is rigged against the poor??? I live here and I hear this every day, what are you reading? We still have freedom of speech. People of all colors are not afraid to say that at all.

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poppys said:

jaawwnn said:

He's the candidate who comes both from, and is for, the system as it stands, and the system is rigged against the poor, and the poor in the USA are disproportionately people of color.

People aren't allowed admit this so they'll lean on the homophobia angle, the same way they leaned on the sexism angle for Hillary.

Not to say that homophobia doesn't exist mind you.


What people aren't allowed to admit the system is rigged against the poor??? I live here and I hear this every day, what are you reading? We still have freedom of speech. People of all colors are not afraid to say that at all.

Right, if anyone can say it and say it openly is the poor or disenfranchised.

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poppys said:

jaawwnn said:

He's the candidate who comes both from, and is for, the system as it stands, and the system is rigged against the poor, and the poor in the USA are disproportionately people of color.

People aren't allowed admit this so they'll lean on the homophobia angle, the same way they leaned on the sexism angle for Hillary.

Not to say that homophobia doesn't exist mind you.


What people aren't allowed to admit the system is rigged against the poor??? I live here and I hear this every day, what are you reading? We still have freedom of speech. People of all colors are not afraid to say that at all.

Yah true, but it's kind of an anti-establishment stance, and people who believe the establishment works fine with the right person on top can't make that argument. That's how I see him positioned.

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Reply #7 posted 11/26/19 8:48am

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I will happily vote for Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren, Biden, Booker, Harris - or whoever gets the nom. When you square any of these candidates against Trump, they get the majority of the minority vote. The red states (like mine) are a problem, but that's because of the Electoral College. The EC is also why we have the ridiculous phenom of "swing states" too.

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I will happily vote for Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren, Biden, Booker, Harris - or whoever gets the nom. When you square any of these candidates against Trump, they get the majority of the minority vote. The red states (like mine) are a problem, but that's because of the Electoral College. The EC is also why we have the ridiculous phenom of "swing states" too.

Bloomberg (New York D) has joined the run

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Reply #9 posted 11/26/19 11:49am

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poppys said:

I will happily vote for Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren, Biden, Booker, Harris - or whoever gets the nom. When you square any of these candidates against Trump, they get the majority of the minority vote. The red states (like mine) are a problem, but that's because of the Electoral College. The EC is also why we have the ridiculous phenom of "swing states" too.

Bloomberg (New York D) has joined the run


Yes. That's fine with me. Bloomberg has the Stop & Frisk issue, but at least he apologizes. Ditto Biden, ditto Buttigieg - Trump never.

We are exactly where we should be in the primaries. All this kind of stuff needs to be discussed. If someone won't vote for a woman or a gay person this time around, maybe next time. Some of them, like Buttigieg, we will probably see again too. Maybe not the older ones, but that is why Biden has the most black support. He's been around 40 years.

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The main problem is this...
warren, Biden, and Bernie have higher name recognition. That's basically it, anyone trying to make it about something more is just full of shit.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

The main problem is this...
warren, Biden, and Bernie have higher name recognition. That's basically it, anyone trying to make it about something more is just full of shit.

a little aggressive there...

it's always many other variables.

I mean read the article.

there are people saying why and it's not just because someone has a higher name recognition

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

The main problem is this...
warren, Biden, and Bernie have higher name recognition. That's basically it, anyone trying to make it about something more is just full of shit.

a little aggressive there...

it's always many other variables.

I mean read the article.

there are people saying why and it's not just because someone has a higher name recognition


it's name recognition

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

a little aggressive there...

it's always many other variables.

I mean read the article.

there are people saying why and it's not just because someone has a higher name recognition


it's name recognition

ookay

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But how much of it is because they’re Black, and how much of it is because they are highly religious? Or to put it another way: is Mayor Pete getting any significant support from “born again “ White Christians or Hasidic and Orthodox Jews or devout Muslims ? Namely other groups not noted for their embrace of gays and other members of the LGBTQ community.

And one must also not discount the Mayor’s firing of his city’s Black police chief, which may be a significant factor in his lack of Black support
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But how much of it is because they’re Black, and how much of it is because they are highly religious? Or to put it another way: is Mayor Pete getting any significant support from “born again “ White Christians or Hasidic and Orthodox Jews or devout Muslims ? Namely other groups not noted for their embrace of gays and other members of the LGBTQ community. And one must also not discount the Mayor’s firing of his city’s Black police chief, which may be a significant factor in his lack of Black support

^ Good questions. How much of the "black vote" did trump have and if the choice were between Trump or Buttigieg, whom do you think would get the black vote?

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But how much of it is because they’re Black, and how much of it is because they are highly religious? Or to put it another way: is Mayor Pete getting any significant support from “born again “ White Christians or Hasidic and Orthodox Jews or devout Muslims ? Namely other groups not noted for their embrace of gays and other members of the LGBTQ community. And one must also not discount the Mayor’s firing of his city’s Black police chief, which may be a significant factor in his lack of Black support


Yep. The black community in his city has legitimate problems with Buttigieg. That does not bode well for him. And if it doesn't, that's on him. No way we could have beat the Trump shill in LA a few weeks ago without black voters.

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Reply #17 posted 11/26/19 2:44pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

The main problem is this...
warren, Biden, and Bernie have higher name recognition. That's basically it, anyone trying to make it about something more is just full of shit.

a little aggressive there...

it's always many other variables.

I mean read the article.

there are people saying why and it's not just because someone has a higher name recognition

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I mean honestly. No one even knows who he is. Even I didn’t know who he was 6 months ago.
So everyone has stakes and favorites and progressive pundits have created their silly manufactured narrative to fit their bill.
I mean we can take them seriously, or righty just call it bullshit.

progressive media has been trying extra hard for some time to dismiss Butigeig. Especially since he has been slowly creeping up on their clique’s choice.
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I mean honestly. No one even knows who he is. Even I didn’t know who he was 6 months ago. So everyone has stakes and favorites and progressive pundits have created their silly manufactured narrative to fit their bill. I mean we can take them seriously, or righty just call it bullshit. progressive media has been trying extra hard for some time to dismiss Butigeig. Especially since he has been slowly creeping up on their clique’s choice.


He kinda reminds me of a less polished Obama. Young guy, minority, says some dynamic things, seems kind of progressive until you look harder and listen to what he has to say. Obama actually campaigned more progressive but governed more Clintonite centrist, wheras I don't think Pete is even bothering with the progressive bit. He sounds just like a centrist and I have a feeling if he gets elected, he'll defend the status quo like Clinton and Obama did before him.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:


I mean honestly. No one even knows who he is. Even I didn’t know who he was 6 months ago. So everyone has stakes and favorites and progressive pundits have created their silly manufactured narrative to fit their bill. I mean we can take them seriously, or righty just call it bullshit. progressive media has been trying extra hard for some time to dismiss Butigeig. Especially since he has been slowly creeping up on their clique’s choice.


He kinda reminds me of a less polished Obama. Young guy, minority, says some dynamic things, seems kind of progressive until you look harder and listen to what he has to say. Obama actually campaigned more progressive but governed more Clintonite centrist, wheras I don't think Pete is even bothering with the progressive bit. He sounds just like a centrist and I have a feeling if he gets elected, he'll defend the status quo like Clinton and Obama did before him.



“Progressive” have a screw lose. Obama has never been one of them. He took on healthcare because it was important and needed to be done. Even with his “centrist” approach it was an uphill battle and has been in peril ever since. “Progressives” have no idea.
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https://twitter.com/Kathlee06407765/status/1197662182852431872

[Edited 11/27/19 0:07am]

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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I mean honestly. No one even knows who he is. Even I didn’t know who he was 6 months ago. So everyone has stakes and favorites and progressive pundits have created their silly manufactured narrative to fit their bill. I mean we can take them seriously, or righty just call it bullshit. progressive media has been trying extra hard for some time to dismiss Butigeig. Especially since he has been slowly creeping up on their clique’s choice.


He kinda reminds me of a less polished Obama. Young guy, minority, says some dynamic things, seems kind of progressive until you look harder and listen to what he has to say. Obama actually campaigned more progressive but governed more Clintonite centrist, wheras I don't think Pete is even bothering with the progressive bit. He sounds just like a centrist and I have a feeling if he gets elected, he'll defend the status quo like Clinton and Obama did before him.

Buttigieg is much more progressive than the MSM is saying. He cautious and understanding about how to get from here to there, especially with M4A. More info here.

https://peteforamerica.com/issues/

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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I mean honestly. No one even knows who he is. Even I didn’t know who he was 6 months ago. So everyone has stakes and favorites and progressive pundits have created their silly manufactured narrative to fit their bill. I mean we can take them seriously, or righty just call it bullshit. progressive media has been trying extra hard for some time to dismiss Butigeig. Especially since he has been slowly creeping up on their clique’s choice.


He kinda reminds me of a less polished Obama. Young guy, minority, says some dynamic things, seems kind of progressive until you look harder and listen to what he has to say. Obama actually campaigned more progressive but governed more Clintonite centrist, wheras I don't think Pete is even bothering with the progressive bit. He sounds just like a centrist and I have a feeling if he gets elected, he'll defend the status quo like Clinton and Obama did before him.

This is it.


That and he's a CIA agent but let's not go there lol

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Buttigieg is not racially aware - he keeps sticking his foot in his mouth trying to fix it. This is what primaries are for. Doesn''t mean he can't learn, but he's not ready. Anybody that keeps ignoring this is not getting it.

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I think they needed something to grasp at where it cAme to Buttigieg as there really wasn’t anything and they grabbed at this. I mean if we compare the top candidate in the polls as well as with blacks in Biden, you will find a lot more to complain about.
It’s early on for a candidate who is barely making his mark and just now coming into public, whereas Biden has been around since forever and with Obama.
He has time.
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I mean honestly. No one even knows who he is. Even I didn’t know who he was 6 months ago. So everyone has stakes and favorites and progressive pundits have created their silly manufactured narrative to fit their bill. I mean we can take them seriously, or righty just call it bullshit. progressive media has been trying extra hard for some time to dismiss Butigeig. Especially since he has been slowly creeping up on their clique’s choice.

Nobody knew who Bill Clinton was either.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:


I mean honestly. No one even knows who he is. Even I didn’t know who he was 6 months ago. So everyone has stakes and favorites and progressive pundits have created their silly manufactured narrative to fit their bill. I mean we can take them seriously, or righty just call it bullshit. progressive media has been trying extra hard for some time to dismiss Butigeig. Especially since he has been slowly creeping up on their clique’s choice.

Nobody knew who Bill Clinton was either.



That’s true.
Him going on the Arsenio Hall Show and playing the saxophone is what brought him into mainstream. Especially with black voters.
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Buttigieg needs to focus on the the demos he is failing to attract and do it fast.
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Buttigieg has to win IA and place well in NH to be seen as a legitimate candidate on the national stage. His campaign is doing the ground work in SC and NV, but if he is to get any traction going into Super Tuesday he has to do well in the first 2 primaries.

The real issue is that 9 months ago no one knew who the F Pete Buttigieg was. It takes time to build bridges.

Plus if you look at the numbers only Biden has the black vote, but all the MSM keeps talking about his Buttigieg's "problems with". Warren, Sanders, Harris, Booker, Klobuchar, and the rest don't have the numbers either.

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The numbers change all the time, I could start finding polls showing how strong Bernie is amongst black voters but why bother? I know the various factions all have to find polls saying their side is "surging" and fair play to them but the polls had Hillary winning by a landslide shrug

Buttigieg is clearly in the race now, in a way he wasn't a few months ago but sure remember when Beto had that Vanity Fair cover earlier in the year?

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