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'They can find out anything': Leaked documents show China's surveillance of Uighurs worldwide

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'They can find out anything': Leaked documents show China's surveillance of Uighurs worldwide


Classified documents show China tracked members of its Uighur population around the world

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A trove of secret documents has revealed China's efforts to track members of its Uighur population living around the world, as well as the government's attempts to arrest Uighurs with foreign citizenship upon their return to China, including Canadians.


The documents are part of the China Cables, an investigation spearheaded by the Washington-based International Consortium ...sts (ICIJ), and were obtained from a confidential source within China.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/w...-1.5369835



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Reply #1 posted 11/25/19 4:38am

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Absolutely horrendous.

https://www.theguardian.c...rison-camp

The language of their response is, well, it'd be amusing if it wasn't so serious I guess.

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Reply #2 posted 11/25/19 3:07pm

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Yesterday I read an article on how they harvest organs from prisoners who were sentenced to death.

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Reply #3 posted 11/25/19 3:24pm

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And this is the country we want to be in business with. LeBron lost some respect from me for defending them after that coach tweeted about the Hong Kong situation.

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Reply #4 posted 11/25/19 4:15pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

And this is the country we want to be in business with. LeBron lost some respect from me for defending them after that coach tweeted about the Hong Kong situation.

I didn´t really interpret that as "defending" them but just being very blunt and open about not wanting to hurt his business. Or do you think he was being too apologetic of China´s action ? As much as I´m for boycotting China and putting pressure on them, I also don´t really know if that would be effective or even wanted, considering how interwoven and globalized things are in this day and age.

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And if integrity and ethics mattered, then there´d be a long list of countries to boycott or cut ties with.

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What do you think should happen?

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Reply #5 posted 11/26/19 7:21am

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Awful. Note Israel is mute.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #6 posted 11/26/19 8:38am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Awful. Note Israel is mute.

True, but so are most Muslim nations because they are more interested in maintaining business relations with China instead of helping the Uygur people.

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Reply #7 posted 11/27/19 8:19pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

And this is the country we want to be in business with. LeBron lost some respect from me for defending them after that coach tweeted about the Hong Kong situation.


There are people in Australia and America who have said our concentration camps in the west are somehow “better” or are justifiable compared to China’s.
Two things can be true at the same time and here China’s targeting of muslims is no better than the West’s targeting of muslims.
Your concentration camp is not better than theirs.
Anyone trying to justify either concentration camps (China’s or the West’s) is suspect.




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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #8 posted 12/01/19 10:22am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Awful. Note Israel is mute.



Only 23 countries signed a UN statement condemning China.

54 countries including Russia, Egypt and Pakistan shockingly signed a UN statement praising China’s actions.

But yeah, make it about you’re own personal and completly unrelated obsession! You couldn’t even manage more than one word on China to give the pretence that you give a shit before making it about Israel. confused

This should also tell us everything we need to know about how pointless the UN is!
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Reply #9 posted 12/02/19 12:41am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Awful. Note Israel is mute.


Those in an ethnocratic glass house probably shouldn’t be throwing stones at others in China wanting to establish their own socialist ethnocracy (I.e institutional and state level racism, which includes eugenics)
Those defending China and Israel are at least consistent.
Those who find China’s treatment of muslims appalling but find Israel’s treatment of Palestinians or non ethnically Jewish people acceptable are in an awkward position.

The treatment of Uighurs in China is unacceptable and should give the western world a moment to pause and take a look in the mirror.


The west will always be silent on these type of issues.
Because this is what they want for themselves, ethnocratic authoritarian states.


Uighurs have long been monitored by the Chinese state because of their religious beliefs and ethnicity. But recent investigations by journalists and human rights organizations suggest a new level of persecution.

Reports have revealed the detainment of close to one million Uighurs and other minority Muslim groups in internment camps in Xinjiang.






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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #10 posted 12/02/19 10:45am

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Two clowns make a circus!
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Reply #11 posted 12/03/19 8:44pm

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lust said:

Two clowns make a circus!

Yes, but two clowns and a donkey actually make a democracy.
What you call a circus others call a democracy.
Don’t be a jackass.




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[Edited 12/3/19 21:59pm]
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #12 posted 12/04/19 12:38am

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A democracy is only as good as what the majority support.
If the majority is racist then your democracy is going to be a racist one.
And so on.

Would China’s actions be justified if their population had instead voted in favor of persecuting Uighur muslims?
Much like we all voted in favor of dropping depleted uranium on Iraq, manus island detention camp and the countless of other racist and genocidal things our society has done under the guise of “democracy”.
What I’m trying to understand is why having the support of the majority instantly makes something justifiable or ethical?

I like and prefer the idea of a plural society with an emphasis on respect.
Because democracy on it’s own is too abstract and actually doesn’t really mean anything.
It just means supporting whatever the majority wants regardless, and that often has meant the persecution of minority and/or powerless groups of people.






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[Edited 12/4/19 5:19am]
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #13 posted 12/04/19 2:09am

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Although Ive been highly critical of democracy in this post due to its failures and the fact that most democracies are actually really just ethnographies where the majority rule in a racist manner, I actually don’t support an authoritatian state in response.
I think Confucius was right and that people are fundamentally good.
If people are fundamentally good then the society we want can be cultivated.





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[Edited 12/4/19 2:13am]
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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