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Reply #30 posted 11/26/19 4:58pm

guitarslinger4
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

guitarslinger44 said:


The fuck are you talking about? lol Are you a mod or something and I just missed it?

Well, all the doctors I've been to have taken my plan, and it's working well for me, so shrug

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oh god no! I just call out slurs when I see them... you know what word you used as an insult....i just asked you not to. many use it, many make up reasons to justify its use...just like people have and do for other slurs. it is up to you.


Except "retarded" is a condition, not an identity. There's even an organization that I used to play functions for called the ARC or "Association for Retarded Citizens." Don't mod me.



Back on topic, I think there are a lot of people worried a Medicare For All system might be worse than the current one, which is a legit fear considering a lot of government run things can be bad. I like Bernie's plan, but I'm not sure how he'll actually pay for it and how he'll abolish private insurance.

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Reply #31 posted 11/26/19 11:46pm

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yet propganda driven Fox bots can't wrap their tiny crippled brains around this

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #32 posted 12/03/19 8:01am

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

50%? well i doubt that. But even still so what? I know doctors that can not affored to take medicare at what they pay. And I also belive that most people do... they may think they do... but they do not know how bad it is....

Alright, ill bite. Being as youve famously declared death panels to be real, im sure youre bullshitting. But pleas do tell us what is so bad about medicare

and only said:

tumbleweed

another case of only saying any bullshit thing he made up to argue.

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton
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Reply #33 posted 12/07/19 4:46pm

Lovejunky

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Do not Trust anyone who advocates for any form of "Medicare for All" or "single payer" that is NOT going to have it too for themselves and their families... obama was not at all willing to be on his plan... and we KNOW in 2013 senate democrats lead by harry reid...made it clear that the plans made available through the exchanges were just not good enough and forced a government shutdown. (Of course many lie and say it was the republicans in the senate. But that is par for the Democrat liars course.

I dont get the resistance to Medicare for all..

In Australia..this year..

The Medicare copayment is $40.40 this year a Diabetic will get 5 boxes of insulin with five pens each for that price.
For someone with a health care card because they have a low income you’ll get the same amount of insulin for $6.50

Whats so bad about that ??????

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Reply #34 posted 12/07/19 5:43pm

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Lovejunky said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


Do not Trust anyone who advocates for any form of "Medicare for All" or "single payer" that is NOT going to have it too for themselves and their families... obama was not at all willing to be on his plan... and we KNOW in 2013 senate democrats lead by harry reid...made it clear that the plans made available through the exchanges were just not good enough and forced a government shutdown. (Of course many lie and say it was the republicans in the senate. But that is par for the Democrat liars course.



I dont get the resistance to Medicare for all..


In Australia..this year..


The Medicare copayment is $40.40 this year a Diabetic will get 5 boxes of insulin with five pens each for that price.
For someone with a health care card because they have a low income you’ll get the same amount of insulin for $6.50


Whats so bad about that ?????



Yeah me neither. I think it’s just based on politics. Sure there are economic viability issues that must be addressed, but it mostly comes down to regurgitating political talking points.
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Reply #35 posted 12/07/19 9:07pm

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BombSquad said:

yet propganda driven Fox bots can't wrap their tiny crippled brains around this

Does it work? From what I hear about Canada, it takes months to try to get an MRI done, let alone surgery. They say a lot of people have to come to the US to get stuff done.

A MASK ISN'T TOO MUCH TO ASK!!
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Reply #36 posted 12/08/19 8:19am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

BombSquad said:

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yet propganda driven Fox bots can't wrap their tiny crippled brains around this


Does it work? From what I hear about Canada, it takes months to try to get an MRI done, let alone surgery. They say a lot of people have to come to the US to get stuff done.


My nephew (American), married a Canadian and lives in British Columbia with their son. He is a firefighter in Vancouver. They have no trouble getting healthcare and tests they need.

There are anecdotal stories for individual cases that can be pointed to everywhere.

My mother died of stage 4 cancer before she could get an MRI because her doctor told us it was expensive and she didn't need it - yet. He passed her around to a couple of other "specialists" (his friends) first, surgeon, neurologist etc etc - who all got paid. She died within 3 months of her original diagnosis and had an unecessary surgery without ever getting an MRI. All here in the good old USA with very good insurance.

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Reply #37 posted 12/09/19 4:04am

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PennyPurple said:

BombSquad said:

yet propganda driven Fox bots can't wrap their tiny crippled brains around this

Does it work? From what I hear about Canada, it takes months to try to get an MRI done, let alone surgery. They say a lot of people have to come to the US to get stuff done.

Better than never is still better than "only if you're rich."


If the queues are too long then increase funding, buy a few less missiles.

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Reply #38 posted 12/09/19 12:07pm

Lovejunky

PennyPurple said:

BombSquad said:

yet propganda driven Fox bots can't wrap their tiny crippled brains around this

Does it work? From what I hear about Canada, it takes months to try to get an MRI done, let alone surgery. They say a lot of people have to come to the US to get stuff done.

Dont know about Canada...but here are some of the things Ive had dealt with in the last 15 years...

Knee injury...Torn Miniscus Same Day Xray 12.00 AUD after rebate

Emergency Hospitalisation For Pancreatitus removal of lodged Gall stone 7 days intensive care about 120AUD after rebate

Gall Bladder Surgery 2 weeks later....I want well enough to have it at the time 3 days hospital stay approx 80AUD after rebate

Heart Attack 6 days inensive care NO CHARGE I was unemployed at the time

Regular admission and treatment of a reoccuring heart condition SVT approx 10 Ambulance journeys and overnight stays in Hospital NO CHARGE

MRI wait time 2 weeks...Compression in the 7th cranial nerve..no treatment possible 38AUD

Without Medicare Id be dead.....lol

It did take Australia some time to get it right...teething problems...but you rarely read any news articles/reports bagging the SYstem.....

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Reply #39 posted 12/09/19 12:26pm

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Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

Does it work? From what I hear about Canada, it takes months to try to get an MRI done, let alone surgery. They say a lot of people have to come to the US to get stuff done.

Dont know about Canada...but here are some of the things Ive had dealt with in the last 15 years...

Knee injury...Torn Miniscus Same Day Xray 12.00 AUD after rebate

Emergency Hospitalisation For Pancreatitus removal of lodged Gall stone 7 days intensive care about 120AUD after rebate

Gall Bladder Surgery 2 weeks later....I want well enough to have it at the time 3 days hospital stay approx 80AUD after rebate

Heart Attack 6 days inensive care NO CHARGE I was unemployed at the time

Regular admission and treatment of a reoccuring heart condition SVT approx 10 Ambulance journeys and overnight stays in Hospital NO CHARGE

MRI wait time 2 weeks...Compression in the 7th cranial nerve..no treatment possible 38AUD

Without Medicare Id be dead.....lol

It did take Australia some time to get it right...teething problems...but you rarely read any news articles/reports bagging the SYstem.....

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Agreed.

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Australia has public/private mix that is not perfect but it appears to me to be better than the US almost all private system and the UK almost all public system. My second son was born severely premature in the 1990s. In the US this would have bankrupted us if we could find a hospital prepared to take on the birth and neonatal intensive care. In the UK if he was born 4 days earlier, the rules would been that he not considered savable. In Australia, he was saved and it cost us very little out of pocket as most was covered by Medicare.

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There are some long waiting lists for elective and non-emergency surgeries, but these existed prior to Medicare. Some drugs outside of the public system are horrendously expensive, but those covered are generally affordable. The two biggest issues today are the public part does not cover non surgical dental and the number of people who elect to pay for private medical insurance is falling as more and more people find the public system is adequate - this is puting strain on the public system.

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Reply #40 posted 12/09/19 12:38pm

Lovejunky

Ian...

We agree on something... lol

Happy Days.... hug

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Reply #41 posted 12/10/19 1:53am

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I live in a public/private system and they underfund the public one horribly because the private system encourages them to. I can see the argument for it, but it'd be much better if you have a very high base-line for the entire country and aim to keep it there. There'll always be highly paid consultants on hand to give presentations to the government about how they can "save money" by not funding the healthcare system.

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Reply #42 posted 12/10/19 6:22am

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jaawwnn said:

I live in a public/private system and they underfund the public one horribly because the private system encourages them to. I can see the argument for it, but it'd be much better if you have a very high base-line for the entire country and aim to keep it there. There'll always be highly paid consultants on hand to give presentations to the government about how they can "save money" by not funding the healthcare system.

Basically, it's because governments do not care if people die. Keeping people alive has no upside for bean counters.

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Reply #43 posted 12/10/19 8:17am

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poppys said:

jaawwnn said:

I live in a public/private system and they underfund the public one horribly because the private system encourages them to. I can see the argument for it, but it'd be much better if you have a very high base-line for the entire country and aim to keep it there. There'll always be highly paid consultants on hand to give presentations to the government about how they can "save money" by not funding the healthcare system.

Basically, it's because governments do not care if people die. Keeping people alive has no upside for bean counters.

Well... maybe, I think most people are well-meaning and fall for the consultants line.

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Reply #44 posted 12/18/19 8:19am

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PennyPurple said:

BombSquad said:

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yet propganda driven Fox bots can't wrap their tiny crippled brains around this

Does it work? From what I hear about Canada, it takes months to try to get an MRI done, let alone surgery. They say a lot of people have to come to the US to get stuff done.

Canada is way worse than in most European countries

however, even they do not consider to repeal it

if you don't have money and get sick in Canada, then it sucks more than if you DO have money, sure, but you still have at least basic coverage
if you don't have money and get sick in the US you're fucked and have NO coverage


non-shithole countries do care about their own people, not just about the rich ones


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Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #45 posted 12/18/19 5:02pm

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The hospital where I work, the people are treated the same, with or without insurance.

A MASK ISN'T TOO MUCH TO ASK!!
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Reply #46 posted 12/18/19 7:58pm

Lovejunky

PennyPurple said:

The hospital where I work, the people are treated the same, with or without insurance.

I see this as a good thing....

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Reply #47 posted 12/20/19 1:35pm

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Sanders broke down his numbers: most families will pay 12 hundred a year for healthcare. They pay 12 thousand now. Big savings, better healthcare.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #48 posted 12/20/19 1:55pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Sanders broke down his numbers: most families will pay 12 hundred a year for healthcare. They pay 12 thousand now. Big savings, better healthcare.


It sounds too good to be true, but I can only hope he can work it out.

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