Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Well now it makes sense why a lot of these republicans and so doggedly supporting Trump in all this, with Nunes and Perry and Giuliani and all of these other goofballs are knee-deep in this mess. They have to. They all have dirty hands.

As they say where I come from - Nunes is up shits creek without a paddle. He will get another ethics probe. He took staffers and used federal funds to go to Ukraine for the Biden meeting.

"Everyone was in the loop." - Sondland

I don't know where to put this, but goodness gracious do I question reality lately.

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https://www.businessinsid...od-2019-11

• Energy Secretary Rick Perry in a recent interview with Fox News said President Donald Trump was the "chosen one" who was "sent by God" to lead the country.
• Perry also said: "Barack Obama didn't get to be the president of the United States without being ordained by God. Neither did Donald Trump."
• Trump controversially referred to himself as the "chosen one"while discussing the trade war with China in August.

poppys said:

luv4u said:

https://www.vox.com/polic...nt-inquiry

Devin Nunes was directly involved in the push for Biden Ukraine investigations, says Lev Parnas

Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudy Giuliani, says he helped arrange meetings between Nunes and Ukrainians.

By Sean Collins Nov 23, 2019, 2:02pm EST

Good article, thanks for posting luv. Trump was trying to investigate the Bidens with the former Ukraine President too, pre Giuliani. Devin "drug deal" Nunes is in deep do-do now. Incredible, he's a ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee.

He used to be a dairy farmer? didn't know that.

[Edited 11/23/19 15:00pm]

sour milk.

luv4u said:

First thread got too long so I have locked that one and created this thread so the discussion can be continued.

If anyone has a link to view transcripts, orgnote me. thanks.


First discussion: https://prince.org/msg/105/460811

c-span.org impeachment page: https://www.c-span.org/impeachment/

Just Think Prince know nothing about a world Trump is President.

House Judiciary Committee to hold first impeachment hearing Dec. 4

https://thehill.com/homen...-for-dec-4

Adam Schiff, Nancy Polisi & Nadler against 100 rookie republicans

• President Donald Trump was aware of the whistleblower complaint — which alleged that he was using his office for political gain — ahead of releasing nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine, The New York Times reported, citing two people familiar with the matter.
  
  
• This new timeline detail puts Trump's motives behind releasing military aid to the country under scrutiny as investigators take into consideration whether or not the complaint played a role in his decision.

poppys said:

• President Donald Trump was aware of the whistleblower complaint — which alleged that he was using his office for political gain — ahead of releasing nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine, The New York Times reported, citing two people familiar with the matter.
  
  
• This new timeline detail puts Trump's motives behind releasing military aid to the country under scrutiny as investigators take into consideration whether or not the complaint played a role in his decision.

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Of course he was aware. Anyone that doubts this is being blindly political and not even logical. I have nothing to say to people like this. There is no persuading them. If you doubt or don't even consider the president's role in all of this, you are either in denial or flat out refusing the truth for petty political purposes.

Musicslave said:

About Lisa Page .............


https://www.thedailybeast...ref=scroll



Video link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

Trump uses his Twitter account as a weapon. ^^ Like what he is doing to Lisa Page.

Why hasn't Twitter shut his account down? That's what should really be happening.

#Bebest

THE TRUMP-UKRAINE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY REPORT (3OO Pages)

Link: https://intelligence.house.gov/report/

Guess the Repubs will continue trynna preach away the proceedings ala Collins (R) Georgia. What a windbag.

poppys said:

Rep. Jim Gordon, all he does is go off with his whining speech.

I think I will refer to him as "whiney Jim" from now on

2elijah said:

poppys said:

Guess the Repubs will continue trynna preach away the proceedings ala Collins (R) Georgia. What a windbag.

Yep and it’s so obvious which direction the repubs will go in all of this.

Some analyst was saying today that Nixon also refused to let his people testify, just like Trump is doing. The difference is they took it to the courts and won. It took longer but everyone was able to see his closest cronies be forced to testify.

Do not understand to concept of 'just let the American people vote him out in 2020'. He will fix the election and stay. This is ABOUT him fixing the election. He publicly asked China to investigate Biden too. Think he was kidding? Boy are "we" dumb. Could be the total death of the 3 branches of US government here.

poppys said:

2elijah said:

poppys said:
Yep and it’s so obvious which direction the repubs will go in all of this.

Some analyst was saying today that Nixon also refused to let his people testify, just like Trump is doing. The difference is they took it to the courts and won. It took longer but everyone was able to see his closest cronies be forced to testify.

Do not understand to concept of 'just let the American people vote him out in 2020'. He will fix the election and stay. This is ABOUT him fixing the election. He publicly asked China to investigate Biden too. Think he was kidding? Boy are "we" dumb. Could be the total death of the 3 branches of US government here.

There's a lot of talk about "precedence" with respect to impeaching or not impeaching unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump. But the GOP already set the bar for impeachable conduct when they impeached President Clinton for lying about a consenual affair with another adult.

Anyone that thinks lying about cheating on their wife is more dangerous to the United States of America and its citizens than jeopardizing foreign relations/our democratic electoral process by asking another country to investigate a domestic political rival is either woefully ignorant, blindfully partisan, or both.

And this is coming from a guy who castigates unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump for his serial adultery pretty much every single day. However - I've never said his serial adultery is grounds for impeachment.

Remember this - the HIGHEST polling for impeachment support in the President Clinton case was 29% for impeachment.

Already, before the trial has even started, 50% of Americans support the impeachment AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE of unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump.

Half of America wants him removed from office. That's astounding, and it should drive the Democrats and it should open the eyes of the Republicans.

2elijah said:

Well.. here we go... https://www.cnn.com/polit...index.html Pelosi asks House to proceed with articles of impeachment By Meg Wagner Updated 9:53 a.m. ET, December 5, 2019 Where things stand now JUST IN: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has asked the House to proceed with articles of impeachment. What happens next: The Judiciary Committee has authority to write articles of impeachment, and will vote on whether to refer them to the full House. If they're approved, they'll go to the House floor, where a simple majority is needed to formally impeach President Trump. (Click on link to continue reading) ************

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-12-05-2019/h_15ec4f888ad749fff114b81ae32f0366

Trump’s response from same link: ✔ @realDonaldTrump · 1h ”The Do Nothing Democrats had a historically bad day yesterday in the House. They have no Impeachment case and are demeaning our Country. But nothing matters to them, they have gone crazy. Therefore I say, if you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast, so we can have a fair....

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump .....trial in the Senate, and so that our Country can get back to business. We will have Schiff, the Bidens, Pelosi and many more testify, and will reveal, for the first time, how corrupt our system really is. I was elected to “Clean the Swamp,” and that’s what I am doing!“

Yes. He will be impeached, not so sure about removed. It has to be done for the record if nothing else. The Repubs are saying there's not enough evidence while witholding evidence and witnesses.

Trump wants it fast is so they can continue to withhold documents and pretend like it's legal to have his people barred from testifying - it is not. Not sure impeachment "lite" is the way the Dems should have gone. Letting the country be exposed to the whole process like Watergate may have been a better way to go. This way, Trump is managing to hide all the real dirt that went down.

We still have to worry about election fraud. Now it's OK for the President to break laws and get a pass on accountability by shielding his crimes? Signed, disgusted and pissed off.

RodeoSchro said:

There's a lot of talk about "precedence" with respect to impeaching or not impeaching unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump. But the GOP already set the bar for impeachable conduct when they impeached President Clinton for lying about a consenual affair with another adult.

Anyone that thinks lying about cheating on their wife is more dangerous to the United States of America and its citizens than jeopardizing foreign relations/our democratic electoral process by asking another country to investigate a domestic political rival is either woefully ignorant, blindfully partisan, or both.

And this is coming from a guy who castigates unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump for his serial adultery pretty much every single day. However - I've never said his serial adultery is grounds for impeachment.

Remember this - the HIGHEST polling for impeachment support in the President Clinton case was 29% for impeachment.

Already, before the trial has even started, 50% of Americans support the impeachment AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE of unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump.

Half of America wants him removed from office. That's astounding, and it should drive the Democrats and it should open the eyes of the Republicans.

But how is it the republicans eyes are still covered, by their own hands? What happened to right and wrong, legal and illegal, truth and fiction?