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Reply #60 posted 11/17/19 6:33am

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jaawwnn said:

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poppys said:


You really don't get it. Bernie is not a Democrat, he is an Independent. BUT, he could be NOMINATED by the Dems and therefore have an actual chance at winning. Which is what he is trying to do. And if he gets the nomination, I will vote for him. I will vote for whoever gets the Dem nomination because that is the only candidate that can beat Republicans in 2020. Capiche?

If you don't, review The Electoral College system, our President is not elected by the poplular vote or we wouldn't have Trump in the first place.

And I think Buttigieg would at least make a decent VP. That's my educated opinion.



If you want to win the EC you have to go through the midwest. Too far left and you've lost them. M4A will not play well with unions who have negotiated for healthcare over wage increase. Taking that away with a policy that that could be easily overturned by the next GOP controlled Government scares the shit out of people, rightfully so.


The Conservatives in the UK have been trying for 50 years to overturn Medicare for All and haven't managed yet because its too popular. If you just bow to the Republicans before you've even started you'll never win.


Our conservatives are not just batshit crazy, but they are amazingly shameless because their constituency is dumb as a doorknob and blinded by ego based classism and racism. Are the UK conservatives just as fucked up? Have you seen news clips of American conservative media from the last couple of days?
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Reply #61 posted 11/17/19 6:50am

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Not bowing down to anybody. It's common sense to strategize what way is actually possible to get Trump out in 2020 and not waver from the goal.

Personally, I would love to see Universal Health Care for all citizens. But I don't think it's a hill Dems should die on in this particular election. Whoever gets in there needs to work within the system. As others have said, the bones are there with the Affordable Care Act, which Obama never would have gotten passed without allowing insurance companies in, creating a weird hybrid. Big Insurance and Big Pharma have a middleman stranglehold on the money that should go straight to people's care. So much so, that like Crockett said, even the Unions who usually vote Dem are afraid of the healthcare future.

Elizabeth Warren is at the top of the polls at 31% in Vermont. We are still at the beginning stages of the election, and the more light shed on the unfairness of our healthcare system, the better. My whole life I have seen the people who suffer, especially artists (including musicians), artisans, micro entrepreneurs and business owners.

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Reply #62 posted 11/17/19 6:55am

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https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/16/pete-buttigieg-hits-trump-soldier-pardons-071266

Pete Buttigieg hits Trump on soldiers' pardons


Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg on Saturday tore into President Donald Trump for pardoning two Army officers who were accused or found guilty of war crimes.

“There’s nothing pro-military about overruling our military justice system to prevent it from delivering accountability for war crimes,” Buttigieg tweeted. “The president has again dishonored our armed services.”...

This isn’t the first time Buttigieg, a former Navy intelligence officer, has been critical of Trump’s relationship with the military.

He previously told ABC it is “an assault on the honor of this country” that Trump allegedly faked an injury to avoid serving in Vietnam.

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Reply #63 posted 11/18/19 12:30pm

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poppys said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/16/pete-buttigieg-hits-trump-soldier-pardons-071266

Pete Buttigieg hits Trump on soldiers' pardons


Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg on Saturday tore into President Donald Trump for pardoning two Army officers who were accused or found guilty of war crimes.

“There’s nothing pro-military about overruling our military justice system to prevent it from delivering accountability for war crimes,” Buttigieg tweeted. “The president has again dishonored our armed services.”...

This isn’t the first time Buttigieg, a former Navy intelligence officer, has been critical of Trump’s relationship with the military.

He previously told ABC it is “an assault on the honor of this country” that Trump allegedly faked an injury to avoid serving in Vietnam.



I heart Mayor Pete

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Reply #64 posted 11/18/19 1:38pm

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poppys said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/16/pete-buttigieg-hits-trump-soldier-pardons-071266

Pete Buttigieg hits Trump on soldiers' pardons


Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg on Saturday tore into President Donald Trump for pardoning two Army officers who were accused or found guilty of war crimes.

“There’s nothing pro-military about overruling our military justice system to prevent it from delivering accountability for war crimes,” Buttigieg tweeted. “The president has again dishonored our armed services.”...

This isn’t the first time Buttigieg, a former Navy intelligence officer, has been critical of Trump’s relationship with the military.

He previously told ABC it is “an assault on the honor of this country” that Trump allegedly faked an injury to avoid serving in Vietnam.



I heart Mayor Pete

Intelligent, authentic, patriotic, talented, what's not to love?

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #65 posted 11/20/19 6:45am

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poppys said:

Not bowing down to anybody. It's common sense to strategize what way is actually possible to get Trump out in 2020 and not waver from the goal.

Personally, I would love to see Universal Health Care for all citizens. But I don't think it's a hill Dems should die on in this particular election. Whoever gets in there needs to work within the system. As others have said, the bones are there with the Affordable Care Act, which Obama never would have gotten passed without allowing insurance companies in, creating a weird hybrid. Big Insurance and Big Pharma have a middleman stranglehold on the money that should go straight to people's care. So much so, that like Crockett said, even the Unions who usually vote Dem are afraid of the healthcare future.

Elizabeth Warren is at the top of the polls at 31% in Vermont. We are still at the beginning stages of the election, and the more light shed on the unfairness of our healthcare system, the better. My whole life I have seen the people who suffer, especially artists (including musicians), artisans, micro entrepreneurs and business owners.

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Thanks for this answer Poppys. I appreciate it.

Right now the Democrats are in the primaries so I see it as the time for big talk, not compromising talk. Obviously the moment a democrat gets into power, compromises of some kind will have to be made, but if you're already entering the race cowed in fear of the Republicans (who never compromise as far as I can see) then you're already way back from where you hope to be. You enter big, not small. You don't say you'll institute the major changes 3 years into your term when you've probably lost the house, you do it at the start.

The insurance companies will never, ever, agree to Universal Health Care, it's fundamentally against how they make money. At some point people will have to realize that you either do what they say or you take a stand, but there will be no middleground there. They called it communism in the UK when it was started there as well, now it's one of their most cherished institutions. Even here in Ireland, where we have possibly the worst healthcare system in western Europe, we have a 100% free healthcare tier.

As for the Unions, I notice the biggest nurses union in the US have endorsed Bernie's plan. These are the people who are on the lower end of the payscale in the medical industry, not big pharma, not well paid private practises.

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Reply #66 posted 11/20/19 7:22am

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jaawwnn said:

poppys said:

Not bowing down to anybody. It's common sense to strategize what way is actually possible to get Trump out in 2020 and not waver from the goal.

Personally, I would love to see Universal Health Care for all citizens. But I don't think it's a hill Dems should die on in this particular election. Whoever gets in there needs to work within the system. As others have said, the bones are there with the Affordable Care Act, which Obama never would have gotten passed without allowing insurance companies in, creating a weird hybrid. Big Insurance and Big Pharma have a middleman stranglehold on the money that should go straight to people's care. So much so, that like Crockett said, even the Unions who usually vote Dem are afraid of the healthcare future.

Elizabeth Warren is at the top of the polls at 31% in Vermont. We are still at the beginning stages of the election, and the more light shed on the unfairness of our healthcare system, the better. My whole life I have seen the people who suffer, especially artists (including musicians), artisans, micro entrepreneurs and business owners.

[Edited 11/18/19 7:48am]

Thanks for this answer Poppys. I appreciate it.

Right now the Democrats are in the primaries so I see it as the time for big talk, not compromising talk. Obviously the moment a democrat gets into power, compromises of some kind will have to be made, but if you're already entering the race cowed in fear of the Republicans (who never compromise as far as I can see) then you're already way back from where you hope to be. You enter big, not small. You don't say you'll institute the major changes 3 years into your term when you've probably lost the house, you do it at the start.

The insurance companies will never, ever, agree to Universal Health Care, it's fundamentally against how they make money. At some point people will have to realize that you either do what they say or you take a stand, but there will be no middleground there. They called it communism in the UK when it was started there as well, now it's one of their most cherished institutions. Even here in Ireland, where we have possibly the worst healthcare system in western Europe, we have a 100% free healthcare tier.

As for the Unions, I notice the biggest nurses union in the US have endorsed Bernie's plan. These are the people who are on the lower end of the payscale in the medical industry, not big pharma, not well paid private practises.


All good points Jaawwnn. Starting to think that the model for a failed industrialized country is the US, and a big reason for that is to deny people access to healthcare and allow them to fight it out with each other to avoid illness and death. Because death scares people, rightfully, and they will cling to anything out of fear. All while the few at the top take more & more & more at a never ending pace, aided by "elected" millionaire officials on the take.

Trump just walked back his ban on vaping flavors aimed at children (like bubblegum) because it's a 4 billion dollar "industry". People dying is secondary to $$. I think we will fall and/or splinter as a country if this continues, maybe not in my lifetine, but it's coming.

I was SO disappointed that Obama could not get a clean healthcare bill through, which is what he wanted, he just didn't shout about it. Now with what's happening here, I can't even believe he got elected (for multiple reasons). Even someone as moderate as he was is instant commie scum now. And you're right, the Repubs will never compromise, ever. It didn't used to be that way. In fact, my own parents who were Republicans for the most part, voted across the ticket, and didn't always vote together either. Not sure it even exists now.

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Reply #67 posted 11/20/19 8:44am

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Mayor Pete is pulling away in Iowa. He's got Pete-mentum!

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Reply #68 posted 11/20/19 2:07pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Mayor Pete is pulling away in Iowa. He's got Pete-mentum!


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Reply #69 posted 11/20/19 3:13pm

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Nina Turner took him to the woodshed, saying that he should not take the black vote for granted. Only Bernie will liberate all people.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #70 posted 11/25/19 9:24am

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I like him. I'd vote for him, but again it is going to be a long road ahead of him, dealing with the Bible Belt.

I think he'll have it easier then Elizabeth Warren would.

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Reply #71 posted 11/25/19 10:21am

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Deadflow3r said:

PennyPurple said:

I like him. I'd vote for him, but again it is going to be a long road ahead of him, dealing with the Bible Belt.

I think he'll have it easier then Elizabeth Warren would.


More people in the Bible Belt would vote for a gay candidate than Elizabeth Warren? They hate her that much?

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Reply #72 posted 11/25/19 3:42pm

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I like mayor pete but he's a defender of the status quo just like Clinton, Bush, and (mostly anwyay) Obama, and nothing will change with him in the White House.

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Reply #73 posted 11/27/19 10:22am

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sexton said:

Deadflow3r said:

I think he'll have it easier then Elizabeth Warren would.


More people in the Bible Belt would vote for a gay candidate than Elizabeth Warren? They hate her that much?

I am thinking of who will vote for ANY democrat, who will actually show up to the polls and vote blue. Neither one of them is going to do all that great in the Bible belt but I think her personality will get less people to show up and vote for her. This is my guess now. neutral

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Reply #74 posted 11/29/19 6:21pm

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Agree with AOC on this. Make collage affordable for everyone regardless of your PARENTS income.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Slams Buttigieg’s ‘GOP Talking Point’ On Free Public College

The congresswoman took aim at a new ad in which the Democratic candidate criticizes proposals from Sanders and Warren.

https://m.huffpost.com/us...0f32a1f1bd
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Reply #75 posted 12/01/19 10:46am

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Bernie is storming back.,

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #76 posted 12/04/19 5:35pm

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Harris is out - to whom will her support go to?

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Reply #77 posted 12/04/19 6:19pm

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Harris is out - to whom will her support go to?


Good question. What are they saying in Cali? The Sunday show pundits were kind of weak sauce on a prediction.

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Reply #78 posted 12/04/19 8:38pm

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Looks like Biden is recouping his Iowa lead status
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Reply #79 posted 12/05/19 1:02pm

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poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Harris is out - to whom will her support go to?


Good question. What are they saying in Cali? The Sunday show pundits were kind of weak sauce on a prediction.


Despite her representing in the Senate, I do not think Cali was necessarily overwhlemingly for Harris - and has not really shown a preference for any candidate yet - although Warren Biden and Sanders seem to be the top contenders

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Reply #80 posted 12/05/19 1:51pm

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Well, with a rise in polls comes the scrutiny. Let’s see how Buttigieg handles it.
You really gotta want this to put yourself through this. Or a psychopath.
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