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Obama calls out 'woke' culture:

'The world is messy, there are ambiguities'

By Justine Coleman - 10/30/19 09:41 AM EDT

This is sorta what I've implied in that there being arrogance of different degrees on both sides.
When dealing with humans in general, we don't find balance in the journey. Politics does divide, beliefs can divide, culture politics divides, gender issues can divide but finding a medium is where we should strive.
WOKE is such and ambiguous term depending on the person.
Per org rules we have to add some comment to what is being posted. If I could I would have just posted the video/link. I'm not looking for my words to be debated.

There is a video in the link, where he has his talk.

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https://thehill.com/blogs...4.facebook

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"This idea of purity and you're never compromised

and you're always politically woke and all that stuff,

you should get over that quickly,"

he said.

"The world is messy.

There are ambiguities.

People who do really good stuff have flaws."

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President Obama on Tuesday called out what he called "woke" culture in a speech at the third annual Obama Foundation Summit in Chicago, saying that even "people who do really good stuff have flaws."

The former president encouraged the audience to "get over" the concept that "you're always politically woke."

Obama continued by saying calling out other people on social media for not being "woke" is "not activism" and "not bringing about change."

"There is this sense sometimes of the way of me making change is for me to be as judgmental about other people, and that's enough,"

he said.

"Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn't do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because 'man, you see how woke I was I called you out,'" he added.

[Edited 10/30/19 17:51pm]

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I think what he actually called out was thinking that you're "woke" if you make fun of someone on social media.

At least, that's what he said in the audio clip of his speech.

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RodeoSchro said:

I think what he actually called out was thinking that you're "woke" if you make fun of someone on social media.

At least, that's what he said in the audio clip of his speech.

But isn't that 1/2 the issue. What is the defination of being 'Woke'. It differs according to the person or 'ideal' they are woke too. Like religious dogman, being woke carries it's own self righteousness.

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He talked about being judgemental. Not just making fun of someone. Which(making fun) has it's own condescending judgement. Shame someone by laughter.
People gather to laugh (pilling in on someone) who they disagree with.

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"If all you are doing is casting stones, then you are probably not going to get that far"

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This was in regards to accusing others for using the wrong word etc rather than for what they were saying. All it asks is that we don't get comfort from our activism, if we think calling someone out for their minor faults is addressing the issues.

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Arguing the point from your point of view requires a certain level of arrogance regardless of which "side" you are on - a necessary certain level of arrogance, like siting in front of all those college students and telling them to get over themselves and get out and be activists, not grammar teachers saying "I hate to say I told you so but ..." and going back to their entertainment.

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many have been saying that for years...myself included. good to see he agrees with me...

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

many have been saying that for years...myself included. good to see he agrees with me...



And even better that you agree with him.

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I hope things start to swing back to more reasonable discourse now that someone of his stature has said something about this, but I won't hold my breath.

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I've been "woke " my whole life- I had no choice, since I had to always be aware from which direction my enemies are coming from...

Maybe it's a good thing that others finally "woke " up to reality....
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I've been "woke " my whole life- I had no choice, since I had to always be aware from which direction my enemies are coming from... Maybe it's a good thing that others finally "woke " up to reality....

But what is woke to you is something else to someone else.

What someone else calls 'woke' might by 'huh?' to you.

People come from so many different angles of what that means.

Some are into conspiracy theories, some are all about music industry, some about sexuality or gender or whatever political angle.

Woke.

And to many people become 'woke' on a tumblr meme

some of the same people they are being 'waken' by are deceiving them.

I know someone who is always going on about being woke, but his family is falling a part and he is getting a divorce, moved back into his parents home at 43.

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Just being aware of who you are, and think, question, don't follow the crowds, read/study etc

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OldFriends4Sale said:



jjhunsecker said:


I've been "woke " my whole life- I had no choice, since I had to always be aware from which direction my enemies are coming from... Maybe it's a good thing that others finally "woke " up to reality....


But what is woke to you is something else to someone else.

What someone else calls 'woke' might by 'huh?' to you.



People come from so many different angles of what that means.



Some are into conspiracy theories, some are all about music industry, some about sexuality or gender or whatever political angle.

Woke.



And to many people become 'woke' on a tumblr meme


some of the same people they are being 'waken' by are deceiving them.



I know someone who is always going on about being woke, but his family is falling a part and he is getting a divorce, moved back into his parents home at 43.



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Just being aware of who you are, and think, question, don't follow the crowds, read/study etc



I think these days, when most people use the phrase "woke ", they generally mean that those who have "privilege ", mainly White people, and especially Males, are finally "aware ", or "awoken ", to the advantages that they have had in society, and consequently, the disadvantages that others outside of their demographic have faced. This is a very rough and by nature simplistic take on what most people think of when using the term "woke "
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What Barack Obama gets exactly right about our toxic 'cancel' culture

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

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Obama went on to note that he is bothered by a trend he sees "among young people particularly on college campuses" where "there is this sense that 'the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people and that's enough.'" Added Obama: "That's not activism. That's not bringing about change. if all you're doing is casting stones, you're probably not going to get that far. That's easy to do."

It would be easy to see Obama's comments as a shot at President Donald Trump. Because, well, Trump's entire presidency is about sending tweets and casting stones.

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But I think Obama is up to something much more complex -- and important here. The rise of "cancel" culture -- particularly on the left and particularly on social media -- is one of the defining hallmarks of our culture in the post-Obama presidency. Say something wrong, tweet something people disagree with, express an opinion that is surprising or contradicts the established view people have of you, and the demands for you to be fired, de-friended or otherwise driven from the realms of men quickly follow.

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The goal of many of these cancel culture acolytes appears to be simply to move from outrage to outrage -- pointing fingers and yelling "here is the bad person. RIGHT HERE." Left unsaid -- but without question present in the underpinnings of this worldview -- is that there are only good people (aka people who agree with me on all things) and bad people (those who don't agree with me on everything.) There is no gray area. It's black or it's white.

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The point Obama is making is that politics -- and life -- are rarely that cut and dry. No one, including you, is all good or all bad. "People who do really good stuff have flaws."

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This is especially true when it comes to the political realm and the 2020 campaign. At the moment, the fight within the Democratic Party is between the liberal, "no compromise" wing (represented by Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders) and the establishment, pragmatic wing (represented by Obama's former Vice President Joe Biden.)

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Biden started the 2020 race using his ability to get deals done as his calling card. As Politico's Michael Grunwald wrote in a Biden profile April:

"Now that Biden is running to unseat President Donald Trump, he's touting himself as a true master of the art of the deal, a son of a car salesman who knows how to get to yes, a relentless consensus-builder who can work across the aisle to bring Americans together."

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But as the campaign has worn on, Biden has been forced to scale back that call to compromise -- faced with a Democratic electorate (or at least a vocal portion of the party base) that wants to see Democrats as the white knights and Republicans as the evil dragon. No more and no less.

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To be clear: What Obama is advocating for isn't that people change their beliefs. Instead, he is reminding us all of our common humanity, that we have much more in common than politicians and partisans would like us to believe. Seeing people as less like cardboard cutouts and more like, well, people, would do us (and our politics) a world of good.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us...cid=msn360

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pt 2

https://www.msn.com/en-us...cid=msn360

Obama Helped Sow the Seeds of Cancel Culture

But perhaps the best example of how far to the left progressives have drifted from Obama's way of thinking is the ongoing spectacle of 2020 Democratic presidential candidates trying to out-woke each other. Beto O'Rourke, who'll apparently say anything in hopes of staying in the race, wants to tax churches and other religious institutions that oppose gay marriage. Julian Castro wants to give free health insurance to transgender illegal immigrants. Even former vice president Joe Biden, the so-called moderate in the race, has been forced to tack left, abandoning his long-held support for the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits federal funding for abortion.

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It's commonplace on Democratic debate stages for the candidates (and moderators) to refer to President Trump as a racist. The arguable frontrunner, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, told NPR in August that "when the white supremacists call Donald Trump one of their own, I tend to believe them."

It's hard to imagine Obama engaging in this sort of rhetoric. But then again, the seeds of cancel culture and leftist outrage were undoubtedly planted during his tenure in the White House. Back in 2012, for example, Obama would never have openly called Mitt Romney a racist. But he didn't have to because surrogates like Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz did it for him.

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Beyond race, it was Obama who popularized the idea that "the debate is over"—about health care, climate change, education, and much else. Arguably, "the debate is over" is now the mantra of the woke: if you disagree or offend, you get canceled.

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So it's all well and good that Obama is concerned about the corrosive effects of cancel culture and militant wokeness. He should be, as should we all. But his warnings and reprimands are a day late and a dollar short. The woke left isn't listening, not even to Obama. To them, the debate is over.

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Obama Is Right To Criticize Cancel Culture, But The Left Isn't Listening

John Daniel Davidson

Did you see how woke I was, I called you out... That's not activism. That's not bringing about change. If all you're doing is casting stones, you're probably not going to get that far.

This isn't the first time Obama has talked this way. At a town hall in 2015, he lambasted "coddled" liberal college students who can't tolerate conservative speakers on campus. "Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them, but you shouldn't silence them by saying you can't come because I'm too sensitive to hear what you have to say," he said.

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To the Left, Cancel Culture Is Good

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The irony here is that the left, which once lionized Obama and to some extent still does, isn't interested in what he has to say about any of this. Today, cancel culture and online outrage are the modus operandi of progressive activists on campus and across social media.

Often enough, that outrage migrates offline. We've all seen the images and videos of students shouting down speakers, storming stages, ripping mics away from moderators, and shutting down conservative speaking events through intimidation. In the case of Charles Murray's visit to Middlebury College in 2017, an actual mob attacked him and a faculty member, who suffered whiplash and a concussion.

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comedian Shane Gillis

Colin Kaepernick

Kevin Hart

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In a recent take on cancel culture at the New Republic, Osita Nwanevu put a benign gloss on the whole thing because, after all, these are just tweets we're talking about, it's not like anyone's really getting hurt: "Perhaps we should choose instead to understand cancel culture as something much more mundane: ordinary public disfavor voiced by ordinary people across new platforms." (A recent Washington Post op-ed takes it a step further, declaring, "Critics of 'cancel culture' really just hate democracy.")Nwanevu argues that everyone who's been "canceled" is doing fine. Aziz Ansari has a new Netflix special. Kyler Murray, the Heisman winner who last year had to apologize for homophobic tweets he'd written as a teen, is now the starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. Dave Chapelle is a multi-millionaire.

The larger point here is that, far from being a problem, cancel culture is actually a good and salutary development in public life—a way for the marginalized and powerless to hold the powerful accountable (if by "powerless" you include all major universities, Hollywood, and most of corporate America). At the very least, writes Nwanevu, cancel culture "cannot really be understood as a response to the advent of an oppressively censorious monoculture," because look, Sean Spicer was on "Dancing With the Stars."

https://www.msn.com/en-us...cid=msn360

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Reply #13 posted 10/31/19 12:57pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But what is woke to you is something else to someone else.

What someone else calls 'woke' might by 'huh?' to you.

People come from so many different angles of what that means.

Some are into conspiracy theories, some are all about music industry, some about sexuality or gender or whatever political angle.

Woke.

And to many people become 'woke' on a tumblr meme

some of the same people they are being 'waken' by are deceiving them.

I know someone who is always going on about being woke, but his family is falling a part and he is getting a divorce, moved back into his parents home at 43.

.

Just being aware of who you are, and think, question, don't follow the crowds, read/study etc

I think these days, when most people use the phrase "woke ", they generally mean that those who have "privilege ", mainly White people, and especially Males, are finally "aware ", or "awoken ", to the advantages that they have had in society, and consequently, the disadvantages that others outside of their demographic have faced. This is a very rough and by nature simplistic take on what most people think of when using the term "woke "

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These days?

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What you are descibing is the life story of the first Buddha (except for his skin colour).

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I don't see those who are woke as being especially male or even white.

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The term comes from AAVE and was first more broadly popularised by Erykah Badu in Master Teacher in 2008. And then even more common in 2014 with its connections to the shooting of Michael Brown and Black Lives Matter.

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The problem is it has been taken over to be the new term to replace SJW. The problem with SJW is this was just used against the arm chair activists from one side and it did not adequately separate the arm chair activist from the actual warriors for social justice or those effectively fighting for social justice from those moving from popularist outrage to popularist outrage and imagining they are better than those they outrage against. In this replacement "woke" has taken on the same criticisms but it can be worse because it can be applied in more ways.

.

Like the Buddha, you need to be woke, but in this, you need to do something effective about it, not just show your have enough outrage about those others and go back to your entertainment or on to the next popularist outrage. But most of all, we need to use activisms positively on our collective faults, not on the faults of those over there.

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The current trend is that those who are genuinely woke see the fickle nature of woke wannabes and they get frustrated and this is leading to disruption protests just to get attention. Too often these turn off the mainstream and the activism fails.

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Reply #14 posted 10/31/19 1:16pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

pt 1

Obama Is Right To Criticize Cancel Culture, But The Left Isn't Listening

John Daniel Davidson

Did you see how woke I was, I called you out... That's not activism. That's not bringing about change. If all you're doing is casting stones, you're probably not going to get that far.

This isn't the first time Obama has talked this way. At a town hall in 2015, he lambasted "coddled" liberal college students who can't tolerate conservative speakers on campus. "Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them, but you shouldn't silence them by saying you can't come because I'm too sensitive to hear what you have to say," he said.

.

To the Left, Cancel Culture Is Good

.

The irony here is that the left, which once lionized Obama and to some extent still does, isn't interested in what he has to say about any of this. Today, cancel culture and online outrage are the modus operandi of progressive activists on campus and across social media.

Often enough, that outrage migrates offline. We've all seen the images and videos of students shouting down speakers, storming stages, ripping mics away from moderators, and shutting down conservative speaking events through intimidation. In the case of Charles Murray's visit to Middlebury College in 2017, an actual mob attacked him and a faculty member, who suffered whiplash and a concussion.

.

comedian Shane Gillis

Colin Kaepernick

Kevin Hart

.

In a recent take on cancel culture at the New Republic, Osita Nwanevu put a benign gloss on the whole thing because, after all, these are just tweets we're talking about, it's not like anyone's really getting hurt: "Perhaps we should choose instead to understand cancel culture as something much more mundane: ordinary public disfavor voiced by ordinary people across new platforms." (A recent Washington Post op-ed takes it a step further, declaring, "Critics of 'cancel culture' really just hate democracy.")Nwanevu argues that everyone who's been "canceled" is doing fine. Aziz Ansari has a new Netflix special. Kyler Murray, the Heisman winner who last year had to apologize for homophobic tweets he'd written as a teen, is now the starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals. Dave Chapelle is a multi-millionaire.

The larger point here is that, far from being a problem, cancel culture is actually a good and salutary development in public life—a way for the marginalized and powerless to hold the powerful accountable (if by "powerless" you include all major universities, Hollywood, and most of corporate America). At the very least, writes Nwanevu, cancel culture "cannot really be understood as a response to the advent of an oppressively censorious monoculture," because look, Sean Spicer was on "Dancing With the Stars."

https://www.msn.com/en-us...cid=msn360

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Isn't all this criticism of how the other side acts just the same? Calling out how it is perceived that the "woke" or "cancel culture" acts also is not activism. It also does not bring about change.

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Yes, we need to be open to acknowledging our faults and imperfections and recognising that the current level of unmovable outrage at everything by all sides is not achieving anything. We need to be nuanced, focused and effective.

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I don't think Obama was arguing against being woke - he was arguing that people need to be more effective in their activisms - to bring people together rather than throwing stones and then we can bring about change.

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IanRG said:



jjhunsecker said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



But what is woke to you is something else to someone else.

What someone else calls 'woke' might by 'huh?' to you.



People come from so many different angles of what that means.



Some are into conspiracy theories, some are all about music industry, some about sexuality or gender or whatever political angle.

Woke.



And to many people become 'woke' on a tumblr meme


some of the same people they are being 'waken' by are deceiving them.



I know someone who is always going on about being woke, but his family is falling a part and he is getting a divorce, moved back into his parents home at 43.



.


Just being aware of who you are, and think, question, don't follow the crowds, read/study etc



I think these days, when most people use the phrase "woke ", they generally mean that those who have "privilege ", mainly White people, and especially Males, are finally "aware ", or "awoken ", to the advantages that they have had in society, and consequently, the disadvantages that others outside of their demographic have faced. This is a very rough and by nature simplistic take on what most people think of when using the term "woke "

.


These days?


.


What you are descibing is the life story of the first Buddha (except for his skin colour).


.


I don't see those who are woke as being especially male or even white.


.


The term comes from AAVE and was first more broadly popularised by Erykah Badu in Master Teacher in 2008. And then even more common in 2014 with its connections to the shooting of Michael Brown and Black Lives Matter.


.


The problem is it has been taken over to be the new term to replace SJW. The problem with SJW is this was just used against the arm chair activists from one side and it did not adequately separate the arm chair activist from the actual warriors for social justice or those effectively fighting for social justice from those moving from popularist outrage to popularist outrage and imagining they are better than those they outrage against. In this replacement "woke" has taken on the same criticisms but it can be worse because it can be applied in more ways.


.


Like the Buddha, you need to be woke, but in this, you need to do something effective about it, not just show your have enough outrage about those others and go back to your entertainment or on to the next popularist outrage. But most of all, we need to use activisms positively on our collective faults, not on the faults of those over there.


.


The current trend is that those who are genuinely woke see the fickle nature of woke wannabes and they get frustrated and this is leading to disruption protests just to get attention. Too often these turn off the mainstream and the activism fails.



I think when the term "woke " is applied perjoratively, it's used to mock Whites, and particularly Males, for finally becoming "awoken " to the depth and breadth of their privileges. I personally don't see that as necessarily a bad thing, in perspective, but others, particularly on both the right and the extreme left, use the phrase in derision.

Of course, as I pointed out, most minorities (not all), have been "woke " their whole lives.. but that's another story
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pt 2



https://www.msn.com/en-us...cid=msn360





Obama Helped Sow the Seeds of Cancel Culture



But perhaps the best example of how far to the left progressives have drifted from Obama's way of thinking is the ongoing spectacle of 2020 Democratic presidential candidates trying to out-woke each other. Beto O'Rourke, who'll apparently say anything in hopes of staying in the race, wants to tax churches and other religious institutions that oppose gay marriage. Julian Castro wants to give free health insurance to transgender illegal immigrants. Even former vice president Joe Biden, the so-called moderate in the race, has been forced to tack left, abandoning his long-held support for the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits federal funding for abortion.


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It's commonplace on Democratic debate stages for the candidates (and moderators) to refer to President Trump as a racist. The arguable frontrunner, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, told NPR in August that "when the white supremacists call Donald Trump one of their own, I tend to believe them."


It's hard to imagine Obama engaging in this sort of rhetoric. But then again, the seeds of cancel culture and leftist outrage were undoubtedly planted during his tenure in the White House. Back in 2012, for example, Obama would never have openly called Mitt Romney a racist. But he didn't have to because surrogates like Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz did it for him.


.


Beyond race, it was Obama who popularized the idea that "the debate is over"—about health care, climate change, education, and much else. Arguably, "the debate is over" is now the mantra of the woke: if you disagree or offend, you get canceled.


.


So it's all well and good that Obama is concerned about the corrosive effects of cancel culture and militant wokeness. He should be, as should we all. But his warnings and reprimands are a day late and a dollar short. The woke left isn't listening, not even to Obama. To them, the debate is over.



But Trump IS a RACIST, and should be called out on it in no uncertain terms. The issue is that when a non-White person (like Obama) would say something like that directly, many would automatically accuse them of "playing the race card ", or some such nonsense. The irony is that White People like Warren and Sanders and O'Rourke are actually freer to call out Trumps racism than a Black person is .
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The first time I heard people self identifiing as "woke", after rolling my eyes, knew this wasn't going to end well.

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I've been "woke " my whole life- I had no choice, since I had to always be aware from which direction my enemies are coming from... Maybe it's a good thing that others finally "woke " up to reality....

Same here....my parents taught me to stay "woke"....so, unlike too many black folks, I'm never shocked or surprised when I get a "N***** Wake-Up Call". lol

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Badu started that shit with "I stay woke"☺️. I love n hate everyone equally.
Style is a peaceful wild y'all.
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"woke" seems to be a term made up to take the place of debate... if they do not like what you've got to say they say get "woke." it is just code to just say in line.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #21 posted 10/31/19 7:26pm

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He just John 8:7’d the far left!

worship
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #22 posted 11/01/19 2:42am

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He just John 8:7’d the far left! worship

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Kind of - more he John 8:7'd those who play the person and not ball whilst Obama was calling for real activism and change - but certainly not activism and change to the far right!

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Reply #23 posted 11/01/19 3:23am

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lust said:

He just John 8:7’d the far left! worship

The far-left has little to do with "woke" culture since solidarity with your fellow man is a beginning point, not the end point, it fairly goes without saying. Worrying about who is woke in 2019 is more of a centrist thing because they are happy to keep the system as it is, just with more traditionally marginalized people in the high-level jobs.

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Reply #24 posted 11/01/19 4:33am

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uPtoWnNY said:



jjhunsecker said:


I've been "woke " my whole life- I had no choice, since I had to always be aware from which direction my enemies are coming from... Maybe it's a good thing that others finally "woke " up to reality....



Same here....my parents taught me to stay "woke"....so, unlike too many black folks, I'm never shocked or surprised when I get a "N***** Wake-Up Call". lol



I hear ya !
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Reply #25 posted 11/01/19 5:22am

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People do not become enlightened or “woke” by saying it: I can guarantee that those walking around with that label smeared on their forehead are the least.

Boy am I enlightened! lol
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Reply #26 posted 11/01/19 12:40pm

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Obama is such a egoist. He cannot lecture the rest of us. He really is infering that woke culture is any critic of him, most notably Cornel West. Real criticism he is against too. Remember he is the one who destroyed Occupy camps. Obama gave us Trump. Admit it Barry.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #27 posted 11/01/19 12:48pm

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jjhunsecker said:

uPtoWnNY said:



jjhunsecker said:


I've been "woke " my whole life- I had no choice, since I had to always be aware from which direction my enemies are coming from... Maybe it's a good thing that others finally "woke " up to reality....



Same here....my parents taught me to stay "woke"....so, unlike too many black folks, I'm never shocked or surprised when I get a "N***** Wake-Up Call". lol



I hear ya !

I second that.
Rest in Power Elijah Cummings. Thank you for your fight for human rights/justice. Your legacy will never die in vain.
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Reply #28 posted 11/02/19 10:12am

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Woke people are not far left, they are mainstream liberals who I fucking hate. I'm about revolutionary politics, not thumb sucking.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #29 posted 11/02/19 11:28am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Woke people are not far left, they are mainstream liberals who I fucking hate. I'm about revolutionary politics, not thumb sucking.

we know you are opposed to rights and freedom and liberty... we know we all know.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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