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House passes bill making animal cruelty a federal felony

This is just some good news...

I know Florida had a lot of issues because of the hurricanes and people leaving pets and other animals behind. I think this is a good thing. If you cannot care to keep safe an animal that depends on you for their safety then you should not have them. That is including farms.

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The U.S. House of Representatives has passed a bill making certain types of animal cruelty a federal felony.

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The House unanimously passed the Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture (PACT) Act on Tuesday afternoon, which criminalizes certain acts of animal cruelty.

The bi-partisan bill was introduced by Rep. Ted Deutch, D-Fla., and Rep. Vern Buchanan, R-Fla. A companion bill was introduced in the Senate.

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"This bill sends a clear message that our society does not accept cruelty against animals. We've received support from so many Americans from across the country and across the political spectrum," Deutch said in a statement. "I'm deeply thankful for all of the advocates who helped us pass this bill, and I look forward to the Senate's swift passage and the President's signature."

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I hope this never passes and if it is passed it gets tossed by the SCOTUS. Why? Because it is NOT A FEDERAL concern.

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I think this is great! Abuse of animals is a sign of a sick mind!
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I hope this never passes and if it is passed it gets tossed by the SCOTUS. Why? Because it is NOT A FEDERAL concern.

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I hope this never passes and if it is passed it gets tossed by the SCOTUS. Why? Because it is NOT A FEDERAL concern.

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

I'm quite shocked anyone would hope this 'never passes'. I agree with you that it is a federal concern.

However to address the bold, laws were recently passed relaxing slaughterhouse rules, which was a very bad move for the animals and encourages animal superfarms, which I am very against. Sadly no-one responded to the thread I created on it.

I still find it hard to understand how people can inflict cruelty on animals, yet they do. And it's a huge problem.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

I'm quite shocked anyone would hope this 'never passes'. I agree with you that it is a federal concern.

However to address the bold, laws were recently passed relaxing slaughterhouse rules, which was a very bad move for the animals and encourages animal superfarms, which I am very against. Sadly no-one responded to the thread I created on it.

I still find it hard to understand how people can inflict cruelty on animals, yet they do. And it's a huge problem.

I'm against those superfarms too. They tend to get the most disgruntled people to work in those places.


I tend to post in P&R seasonally, how recent? If it is still active, I can post this in your thread and lock this one

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OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I hope this never passes and if it is passed it gets tossed by the SCOTUS. Why? Because it is NOT A FEDERAL concern.

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

No! For one it will necessarily add a new layer of bureaucracy and costs.

And the notion that it is a GOOD idea is NOT by any means a Constitutional argument. By that logic anything could be deemed to fall under federal laws.

So why have states at all?


The fact is: this is the kind of thing the Constitution is meant to prevent.


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OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

I'm quite shocked anyone would hope this 'never passes'. I agree with you that it is a federal concern.

However to address the bold, laws were recently passed relaxing slaughterhouse rules, which was a very bad move for the animals and encourages animal superfarms, which I am very against. Sadly no-one responded to the thread I created on it.

I still find it hard to understand how people can inflict cruelty on animals, yet they do. And it's a huge problem.

it is not a constitutional authority. The fact that the fed has totally abused the interstate commerce clause" is not a valid argument either. (do you know they taxed/fined/penalized farmers for NOT selling crops!)

If anything the FED should get out all together.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

No! For one it will necessarily add a new layer of bureaucracy and costs.

And the notion that it is a GOOD idea is NOT by any means a Constitutional argument. By that logic anything could be deemed to fall under federal laws.

So why have states at all?


The fact is: this is the kind of thing the Constitution is meant to prevent.


We are still on nation. In some thing there has to laws across the board. Otherwise people can just cross into another state to take part in something illegal. Gun laws need to be across the board for the same reason.


Selling of animals for food entertainment or pets has to be across the board, because all these thins happen across states. If cock fighting is not illegal in New Mexico but not in Texas, ...

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OldFriends4Sale said:

maplenpg said:

I'm quite shocked anyone would hope this 'never passes'. I agree with you that it is a federal concern.

However to address the bold, laws were recently passed relaxing slaughterhouse rules, which was a very bad move for the animals and encourages animal superfarms, which I am very against. Sadly no-one responded to the thread I created on it.

I still find it hard to understand how people can inflict cruelty on animals, yet they do. And it's a huge problem.

I'm against those superfarms too. They tend to get the most disgruntled people to work in those places.


I tend to post in P&R seasonally, how recent? If it is still active, I can post this in your thread and lock this one

No, please don't stop this thread. I'm glad people are discussing it. Here's a link though if you're interested https://prince.org/msg/105/460819

As for superfarms. They have the worst conditions, the lowest paid workers, the cheapest end products; everything about them is bad for the animal. With limits lifted on slaughterhouse rules, it means standards will slip there too. Any rules and regulations that are on the side of the animals are good, they have no voice except ours.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

No! For one it will necessarily add a new layer of bureaucracy and costs.

And the notion that it is a GOOD idea is NOT by any means a Constitutional argument. By that logic anything could be deemed to fall under federal laws.

So why have states at all?


The fact is: this is the kind of thing the Constitution is meant to prevent.


Good. Pay more for your meat and dairy. Let the poor animals see sunlight, taste grass, not be pregnant all their lives and have their babies ripped from them so you can drink milk. Be kind - you can do that by adding bureaucracy and paying more (or, of course, people can also give up/cut down).

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OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

No! For one it will necessarily add a new layer of bureaucracy and costs.

And the notion that it is a GOOD idea is NOT by any means a Constitutional argument. By that logic anything could be deemed to fall under federal laws.

So why have states at all?


The fact is: this is the kind of thing the Constitution is meant to prevent.


We are still on nation. In some thing there has to laws across the board. Otherwise people can just cross into another state to take part in something illegal. Gun laws need to be across the board for the same reason.


Selling of animals for food entertainment or pets has to be across the board, because all these thins happen across states. If cock fighting is not illegal in New Mexico but not in Texas, ...

Exactly.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

No! For one it will necessarily add a new layer of bureaucracy and costs.

And the notion that it is a GOOD idea is NOT by any means a Constitutional argument. By that logic anything could be deemed to fall under federal laws.

So why have states at all?


The fact is: this is the kind of thing the Constitution is meant to prevent.


We are still on nation. In some thing there has to laws across the board. Otherwise people can just cross into another state to take part in something illegal. Gun laws need to be across the board for the same reason.


Selling of animals for food entertainment or pets has to be across the board, because all these thins happen across states. If cock fighting is not illegal in New Mexico but not in Texas, ...

yeah and? that is the point. We (even if you think you do) do not want that and that IS why the government was set up the way it was. To LIMIT the power of the fed... Let states choose. Otherwise why have states at all?

[Edited 10/26/19 10:56am]

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

We are still on nation. In some thing there has to laws across the board. Otherwise people can just cross into another state to take part in something illegal. Gun laws need to be across the board for the same reason.


Selling of animals for food entertainment or pets has to be across the board, because all these thins happen across states. If cock fighting is not illegal in New Mexico but not in Texas, ...

yeah and? that is the point. We (even if you think you do) do not want that and that IS why the government was set up the way it was. To LIMIT the power of the fed... Let states choose. Otherwise why have states at all?

[Edited 10/26/19 10:56am]

yeah and? My reply is still the reply to your question

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Kentucky maybe, (has/had) a tradition coming up to Thanksgiving of dropping turkeys out of a plane.

Because since they have wings they should be able to fly to the ground. Not wild turkey's mind you, the ones on farms.

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This is why singular states are good at choosing.

Or Florida, where people bring all kinds of exotic animals that get loose when storms hit and other states end up dealing with some of it.

Animal hording.

Experimenting on animals.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

We are still on nation. In some thing there has to laws across the board. Otherwise people can just cross into another state to take part in something illegal. Gun laws need to be across the board for the same reason.


Selling of animals for food entertainment or pets has to be across the board, because all these thins happen across states. If cock fighting is not illegal in New Mexico but not in Texas, ...

yeah and? that is the point. We (even if you think you do) do not want that and that IS why the government was set up the way it was. To LIMIT the power of the fed... Let states choose. Otherwise why have states at all?

[Edited 10/26/19 10:56am]

Who is 'we'? Where is the proof that 'we' doesn't want that? Why are you fighting against this? They are animals FF, no matter what state, or country, they happen to be born in.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah and? that is the point. We (even if you think you do) do not want that and that IS why the government was set up the way it was. To LIMIT the power of the fed... Let states choose. Otherwise why have states at all?

[Edited 10/26/19 10:56am]

yeah and? My reply is still the reply to your question

.

Kentucky maybe, (has/had) a tradition coming up to Thanksgiving of dropping turkeys out of a plane.

Because since they have wings they should be able to fly to the ground. Not wild turkey's mind you, the ones on farms.

.

This is why singular states are good at choosing.

Or Florida, where people bring all kinds of exotic animals that get loose when storms hit and other states end up dealing with some of it.

Animal hording.

Experimenting on animals.

Wow...that is messed up.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah and? that is the point. We (even if you think you do) do not want that and that IS why the government was set up the way it was. To LIMIT the power of the fed... Let states choose. Otherwise why have states at all?

[Edited 10/26/19 10:56am]

yeah and? My reply is still the reply to your question

.

Kentucky maybe, (has/had) a tradition coming up to Thanksgiving of dropping turkeys out of a plane.

Because since they have wings they should be able to fly to the ground. Not wild turkey's mind you, the ones on farms.

.

This is why singular states are good at choosing.

Or Florida, where people bring all kinds of exotic animals that get loose when storms hit and other states end up dealing with some of it.

Animal hording.

Experimenting on animals.

first: i call "fake news" on the turkey thing... what is this WKRP? as god as my whiteness I thought turkeys could fly!

And second: even where I agree those things need to be addressed...those are not federal authorities. Again being a good idea is not a legal argument.

and again you can come up with things that I may agree with but where does it end?

now if a person's pet dingo crosses state lines and eats a baby well then we can talk federal law...But it is a civil issue...not criminal.


and testing on animals is important.


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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah and? that is the point. We (even if you think you do) do not want that and that IS why the government was set up the way it was. To LIMIT the power of the fed... Let states choose. Otherwise why have states at all?

[Edited 10/26/19 10:56am]

Who is 'we'? Where is the proof that 'we' doesn't want that? Why are you fighting against this? They are animals FF, no matter what state, or country, they happen to be born in.

it is easy to agree with this...but would you always agree with any possible measure?

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

maplenpg said:

Who is 'we'? Where is the proof that 'we' doesn't want that? Why are you fighting against this? They are animals FF, no matter what state, or country, they happen to be born in.

it is easy to agree with this...but would you always agree with any possible measure?

But this thread is about this measure.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yeah and? My reply is still the reply to your question

.

Kentucky maybe, (has/had) a tradition coming up to Thanksgiving of dropping turkeys out of a plane.

Because since they have wings they should be able to fly to the ground. Not wild turkey's mind you, the ones on farms.

.

This is why singular states are good at choosing.

Or Florida, where people bring all kinds of exotic animals that get loose when storms hit and other states end up dealing with some of it.

Animal hording.

Experimenting on animals.

first: i call "fake news" on the turkey thing... what is this WKRP? as god as my whiteness I thought turkeys could fly!

And second: even where I agree those things need to be addressed...those are not federal authorities. Again being a good idea is not a legal argument.

and again you can come up with things that I may agree with but where does it end?

now if a person's pet dingo crosses state lines and eats a baby well then we can talk federal law...But it is a civil issue...not criminal.


and testing on animals is important.


1. dude just because you don't want to believe someone would do something so stupid, doesn't make it fake lol https://www.roadsideameri...tory/16921

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/yellville-turkey-trot/576184/

There is (non fake) picture there for you

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2016/10/08/the-barbaric-tradition-of-throwing-live-turkeys-from-planes-in-arkansas-continues-today/

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/10/13/dropping-live-turkeys-from-planes-triggers-arkansas-festival-flap

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the fact is everything crosses state lines now, especially with online/cyber selling/dealings

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naw there are ways to test things without doing it on living beings. People push the limits. tortures ensue where people think 'it's not hurting the rabbit or rat'

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yeah and? My reply is still the reply to your question

.

Kentucky maybe, (has/had) a tradition coming up to Thanksgiving of dropping turkeys out of a plane.

Because since they have wings they should be able to fly to the ground. Not wild turkey's mind you, the ones on farms.

.

This is why singular states are good at choosing.

Or Florida, where people bring all kinds of exotic animals that get loose when storms hit and other states end up dealing with some of it.

Animal hording.

Experimenting on animals.

first: i call "fake news" on the turkey thing... what is this WKRP? as god as my whiteness I thought turkeys could fly!

And second: even where I agree those things need to be addressed...those are not federal authorities. Again being a good idea is not a legal argument.

and again you can come up with things that I may agree with but where does it end?

now if a person's pet dingo crosses state lines and eats a baby well then we can talk federal law...But it is a civil issue...not criminal.


and testing on animals is important.


No, it's not (to the bold).

The turkey thing is not fake news. I've just watched the 2016 one on YouTube. It has now been stopped after PETA got involved.

Please have a look at the link. Look at the video at 1.40 and 5.50. Tell me why it's important. Yes, I know it's in Germany, but this is going on worldwide, often legally.


https://www.theguardian.c...german-lab

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

first: i call "fake news" on the turkey thing... what is this WKRP? as god as my whiteness I thought turkeys could fly!

And second: even where I agree those things need to be addressed...those are not federal authorities. Again being a good idea is not a legal argument.

and again you can come up with things that I may agree with but where does it end?

now if a person's pet dingo crosses state lines and eats a baby well then we can talk federal law...But it is a civil issue...not criminal.


and testing on animals is important.


No, it's not (to the bold).

The turkey thing is not fake news. I've just watched the 2016 one on YouTube. It has now been stopped after PETA got involved.

Please have a look at the link. Look at the video at 1.40 and 5.50. Tell me why it's important. Yes, I know it's in Germany, but this is going on worldwide, often legally.


https://www.theguardian.c...german-lab

[Edited 10/26/19 11:37am]

I cannot even watch some of that stuff or see images... anything for the greater good they think. The greater good so someone can put colors on their face.

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I do not agree that this is a federal power...

if the turkey thing is real that is jacked and the state should ban that.

testing has value...

I am opposed to most federal regulations.


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Reply #23 posted 10/26/19 1:34pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

maplenpg said:

No, it's not (to the bold).

The turkey thing is not fake news. I've just watched the 2016 one on YouTube. It has now been stopped after PETA got involved.

Please have a look at the link. Look at the video at 1.40 and 5.50. Tell me why it's important. Yes, I know it's in Germany, but this is going on worldwide, often legally.


https://www.theguardian.c...german-lab

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I cannot even watch some of that stuff or see images... anything for the greater good they think. The greater good so someone can put colors on their face.

Yup. I force myself to watch. It's what's happening out there.

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Reply #24 posted 10/26/19 1:37pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not agree that this is a federal power...

if the turkey thing is real that is jacked and the state should ban that.

testing has value...

I am opposed to most federal regulations.


Nah. Testing on animals has no value.

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Reply #25 posted 10/26/19 3:37pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually it is a nationwide concern. It's dealing with living beings and how humans treat them. Abuses, neglect, disease etc

When states like Florida have to step in to save peoples pets and animals during storm emergencies, it's a problem. A problem that many other states face.

Animal fights, 'chew toys' sociopathes working animal farms (people who take pleasure burning milk cow rudders with cigarettes or jamming a thin piece of wood through roosters noses so they don't crow.
When people bring animals into situations like hording, It is definately Federal and an national concern. When dealing with 'food sources', how animals are treated directly affects what happens to the meat.

Experimenting/testing on animals.

Oh it is definately a Federal concern.

No! For one it will necessarily add a new layer of bureaucracy and costs.

And the notion that it is a GOOD idea is NOT by any means a Constitutional argument. By that logic anything could be deemed to fall under federal laws.

So why have states at all?


The fact is: this is the kind of thing the Constitution is meant to prevent.


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Did you read and understand the article?

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Don't worry, it will preserve the highly inefficent and extremely costly bureacratic structures of 1 Federal, 50 State plus many, many districts, territories, counties, cities and local authorities administering disparate animal cruelty laws and all the regulations, standards and guidelines by these bodies and all the industry or advocacy etc groups.

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The Bill was just an expansion of pre-existing Federal Act on animal crushing: "The PACT Act would make it a federal crime for "any person to intentionally engage in animal crushing if the animals or animal crushing is in, substantially affects, or uses a means or facility of, interstate or foreign commerce," according to a fact sheet of the bill. The act is limited to interstate commerce and federal property and would not interfere with local animal cruelty laws or enforcement."

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How was your constitution meant to prevent the Federal goverment from acting on animal cruelty in interstate commerce and on what happens on Federal property? This was supposed to be a good news story where all reps from all sides unanimously agreed on something. Yet we find you here, yet again arguing to place your particular, perverse perception on the purity, purpose and primacy of the constitution over good ideas to prevent violence, injury, death and torture.

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In the name of science... live pigs used as crash test dummies - strapped into seatbelts and then smashed into walls at speed. Animal testing does not have value and is not important Only. Disgusting sad

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pigs-killed-crash-test-dummy-seatbelt-animal-cruelty-china-a9179496.html



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Reply #27 posted 11/01/19 12:42pm

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Because both sides have pets.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #28 posted 11/01/19 5:05pm

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not agree that this is a federal power...

if the turkey thing is real that is jacked and the state should ban that.

testing has value...

I am opposed to most federal regulations.


Nah. Testing on animals has no value.

how do they develop new drugs for animals?

oh and animals are lessor being that humans... Are you also a vegetarian? do you want to ban meat?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #29 posted 11/01/19 11:55pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

maplenpg said:

Nah. Testing on animals has no value.

how do they develop new drugs for animals?

oh and animals are lessor being that humans... Are you also a vegetarian? do you want to ban meat?

We risk going way off topic here, so I'm going to try to keep it on topic. In animal testing, there is much cruelty and testing that is completely unneccessary. Testing such as the crash tests on the pigs, such as testing cosmetics or cleaning products by rubbing it in the eyes of animals, etc... etc... I know there is some animal testing where I can see how people come to the conclusion that it has value (even though I don't agree), but the line needs to be drawn when cruelty is involved. And that should be worldwide, not even country-wide. So the bill making animal cruelty a federal felony is necessary to stop cruelty country wide, whether that be testing on animals or other cruelty inflicted on animals in other ways. We have a duty to look after those that don't have a voice.

I'll not answer the rest as it's too far off topic, but if you're really interested, even though we've had the conversation before, let me know - I'll create a thread smile

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