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Reply #60 posted 10/30/19 8:40am

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Again - context. Terrible case sentenced here yesterday.

https://www.nola.com/news...caeb5.html

For the first time since he drunkenly slammed his Chevrolet Camaro into nine bicyclists on Esplanade Avenue after the Endymion parade in March, Tashonty Toney stood in a courtroom Tuesday and told the families and friends of the two riders he killed and the seven he injured that he was sorry. The judge said she didn't believe him and handed him a sentence of over 90 years behind bars...

...But Napoli (defense attorney) turned the tables on Toney and his family during cross-examination. Most dramatically, he played a phone call from the New Orleans jail between Toney and one of his sisters on which they could be heard laughing soon after the harrowing testimony from witnesses such as Hynes’ widow and Walls’ parents.

White (judge) pointed out with a sigh that jail phone calls begin with a message warning the callers that their words are being recorded.

Speaking on the call, Toney’s sister said the worst part of Monday's testimony was “those two (expletive)" N-words, in an apparent reference to Walls’ parents, who had called for Toney to receive a stiff sentence. The Walls and Toney families are both black.

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Reply #61 posted 10/30/19 8:18pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jjhunsecker said:

I pretty much see the so-called "N word" and all it's variations like I see the word "pussy"- it has multiple meanings, and can change context based on who is saying it, who it's directed to to, the intent, and the context.

Yes, and that is where the contentions come in.

If people say it within their safe space of friends/family(not in public) I have no issue.
But the problem is when someone tries to push that word on another person who does not like it.

As is in this case.

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It should not be allowed in schools and the work place. Like some other words, slurs, terms.

I agree- there's a time and a place for everything, and one size does NOT fit all situations

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Reply #62 posted 11/04/19 11:45am

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Michael Che made a joke this weekend on SNL about a White man calling him "the N-word.... with a HARD 'ER'"...

Which goes along with what I was saying.. that most Black people (certainly not all) see a distinction between the words "N***A" and "N***ER", that the differing pronunciations mark a big distinction,...
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Reply #63 posted 11/04/19 11:56am

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jjhunsecker said:

I pretty much see the so-called "N word" and all it's variations like I see the word "pussy"- it has multiple meanings, and can change context based on who is saying it, who it's directed to to, the intent, and the context.

i do not agree.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #64 posted 11/04/19 12:00pm

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I've been called variations of that word: in both friendship and familiarity, and in hatred and as a provocation to violence
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Reply #65 posted 11/04/19 12:04pm

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jjhunsecker said:

I've been called variations of that word: in both friendship and familiarity, and in hatred and as a provocation to violence

i get it you have to make up excuses for some people using it... I will not. But we all know some have a double stantard and some do not.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #66 posted 11/04/19 12:10pm

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I speak from my own experiences and give my own personal perspectives on this issue (as well as others)...,There are no "excuses " being made. Just an acknowledgement that sometimes things are more complicated and nuanced than some may be able to grasp
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Reply #67 posted 11/04/19 12:19pm

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jjhunsecker said:

I speak from my own experiences and give my own personal perspectives on this issue (as well as others)...,There are no "excuses " being made. Just an acknowledgement that sometimes things are more complicated and nuanced than some may be able to grasp

that is making an excuse. that is literally what "making an excuse" means.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #68 posted 11/04/19 12:36pm

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I repeat: too nuanced and complex for some to grasp... I'll leave it at that. Either you get it, or you don't (or choose not to in an attempt to make a "point ")
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Reply #69 posted 11/04/19 12:39pm

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Why would someone take a hardline stance on the intricasies of a racial slur, with someone who is of the race the slur is about? Especially when he is not of the race himself? Is there ever a learning curve?

The same person who cannot understand the nuance of the topic word in any instance has absolutely no problem calling people pig diarrhea vomit. In fact, he called a Jewish and a Muslim person swine today.

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Reply #70 posted 11/04/19 12:49pm

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poppys said:

Why would someone take a hardline stance on the intricasies of a racial slur, with someone who is of the race the slur is about? Especially when he is not of the race himself? Is there ever a learning curve?

The same person who cannot understand the nuance of the topic word in any instance has absolutely no problem calling people pig diarrhea vomit. In fact, he called a Jewish and a Muslim person swine today.

oh calling someone who sees swine as inclean is the same as te N-word? you know a horse is also unclean as are dogs and cats and beavers...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #71 posted 11/04/19 12:58pm

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poppys said:

Why would someone take a hardline stance on the intricasies of a racial slur, with someone who is of the race the slur is about? Especially when he is not of the race himself? Is there ever a learning curve?

The same person who cannot understand the nuance of the topic word in any instance has absolutely no problem calling people pig diarrhea vomit. In fact, he called a Jewish and a Muslim person swine today.



Because they are trying to score points (and obviously failing)
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Reply #72 posted 11/04/19 12:59pm

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

Why would someone take a hardline stance on the intricasies of a racial slur, with someone who is of the race the slur is about? Especially when he is not of the race himself? Is there ever a learning curve?

The same person who cannot understand the nuance of the topic word in any instance has absolutely no problem calling people pig diarrhea vomit. In fact, he called a Jewish and a Muslim person swine today.

Because they are trying to score points (and obviously failing)

score points with who?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #73 posted 11/04/19 1:09pm

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I can't make people understand something if they don't want to
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Reply #74 posted 11/04/19 1:20pm

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jjhunsecker said:

I can't make people understand something if they don't want to

tell me about it

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Reply #75 posted 11/04/19 9:35pm

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poppys said:

Why would someone take a hardline stance on the intricasies of a racial slur, with someone who is of the race the slur is about? Especially when he is not of the race himself? Is there ever a learning curve?

The same person who cannot understand the nuance of the topic word in any instance has absolutely no problem calling people pig diarrhea vomit. In fact, he called a Jewish and a Muslim person swine today.

I've been called "N***ER" several times in my life (with the hard "ER" at the end)....I think I know a little more about this issue than others who are using this issue just to spout off and push their agenda....Logically, why would I be "making excuses" for those using it to spread hatred and division ?

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Reply #76 posted 11/05/19 11:51am

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Anderson:

Short story....
I get called a bit@# @ss Ni€€A by a student, I responded do "not call me ni€€a !"

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A Wisconsin security guard was fired earlier this week for telling a student not to use a racial slur. Now, Cher is offering to pay for any lawsuit he may file.

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Marlon Anderson, a 48-year-old black security guard at a Wisconsin high school, was fired for repeating the N-word. He said he used it in order to tell a student not to say it. The student, who is also black, called Anderson the slur along with a number of other expletives.

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"I made a conscious decision to address the word because it is an epidemic,"

Anderson told CBS News affiliate WISC. "Our kids use it every day."

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He also questioned how he could be fired for standing up for himself.

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"I just don't understand getting fired for trying to defend yourself," said Anderson, who worked for the district for 11 years. "As a black man, I have a right not to be called that word."

Anderson said he had been called the slur by students before, and typically uses those conversations as teachable moments to explain the history, context and meaning of the slur, WISC reported. He and the Anderson and the Madison teachers' union filed a grievance seeking his job back.

On Friday, legendary singer Cher offered to pay for any legal fees Anderson may incur if he wants to sue. She said she was shocked by the disrespect, especially following the death of Rep. Elijah Cummings.

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Cher also tweeted that she is trying to get in touch with Anderson in order to help.

On Friday, students at Madison West High School skipped class and marched through the streets of the state capitol to protest Anderson's firing. Anderson's son, Noah, who is the leader of the school's Black Student Union, led the protest, WISC reports.

During the march, several students reportedly went to the district administration building to meet with interim superintendent Jane Belmore and Board of Education president Gloria Reyes about Anderson's firing.

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"It was a powerful day today for us all," Reyes told WISC. "They are educating us. They are our future, and we have to consider them in making decisions and policies that impact them directly."

"I want to thank our students for coming today and for engaging in a conversation with us," Belmore said in a statement. "We support our students when they disagree with us and challenge us to do better."

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"Employees always have the right to appeal decisions and we will move this process forward as quickly as possible," Belmore said. "As we go through the appeal process, we will also be conducting a review of the current approach around racial slurs."

Currently, the Madison School District forbids employees from saying racial slurs regardless of context. Last school year, there were at least seven cases in which a Madison School District staff member used a racial slur in front of students, according to the Associated Press. All of those employees were either fired or resigned.

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