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Thread started 10/14/19 12:07pm

guitarslinger4
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China/Hong Kong

Surprised there wasn't already a thread about this.

China is also being mighty soft over Hong kong for a government that disappears dissidents, religious folks, and actively censors anything and everything they possibly can. The people of Hong Kong deserve their independence, and I hope that China finally sees the light and lets them go.

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Reply #1 posted 10/14/19 1:18pm

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Hong Kong is a good example for what China can be. They recognize how successful it has been and tend to treat it with kid gloves. Hopefully it ends well.
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Reply #2 posted 10/14/19 1:25pm

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I think it's what they want to be, ansd they recognize how successful it is, which is why they're so possessive of it.

It's also pretty disgusting to see all these American corporations bowing down because they want a piece of the Chinese market. It's not surprising, but the blatancy of it all really makes you shake your head.

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Reply #3 posted 10/14/19 2:19pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

Surprised there wasn't already a thread about this.

China is also being mighty soft over Hong kong for a government that disappears dissidents, religious folks, and actively censors anything and everything they possibly can. The people of Hong Kong deserve their independence, and I hope that China finally sees the light and lets them go.

I think they are being quite tough on Hong Kong but then again, you are right, compared to what they possibly could do (and would do if this was a rebellion on the mainland) they are relatively soft.

Keep in mind that Hong Kong and its citizens have a special legal status though and this might explain why they can´t treat the Hong Kong Chinese the same way they would treat the mainland Chinese.

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Reply #4 posted 10/14/19 2:24pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Hong Kong is a good example for what China can be. They recognize how successful it has been and tend to treat it with kid gloves. Hopefully it ends well.

Taiwan, too.

It´s amazing how different Hong Kong and Taiwan are compared to the mainland, even , or especially , in their mentality, even though all three are Chinese.

Sure , they have different languages and a different economic system but I find it fascinating how different they are.

Years ago, maybe 15 years ago, I worked with a Chinese gentleman from Shanghai and I asked him why a huge and powerful country such as China was holding back with regards to Taiwan, and he told me that Taiwan, despite being a small island nation, was too strong for China to take over, and that their military was not strong enough yet to mess with Taiwan and its ally America. But that was then, and it´s amazing how fast China has become the superpower that it is today.

I think the tables are about to turn these days, and I´m not sure if that´s a good thing.

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Reply #5 posted 10/14/19 2:51pm

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KoolEaze said:

guitarslinger44 said:

Surprised there wasn't already a thread about this.

China is also being mighty soft over Hong kong for a government that disappears dissidents, religious folks, and actively censors anything and everything they possibly can. The people of Hong Kong deserve their independence, and I hope that China finally sees the light and lets them go.

I think they are being quite tough on Hong Kong but then again, you are right, compared to what they possibly could do (and would do if this was a rebellion on the mainland) they are relatively soft.

Keep in mind that Hong Kong and its citizens have a special legal status though and this might explain why they can´t treat the Hong Kong Chinese the same way they would treat the mainland Chinese.

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When I said soft I meant more butthurt that Hong Kong might want to be able to do things without having to consult Beijing. But I think they don't want the bad publicity they got after Tiannamen Square and are trying to avoid being that heavy handed, especially as now it seems like they're getting their moment on the world stage.

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Reply #6 posted 10/15/19 6:26am

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Sitting on the sidelines I am SHOCKED that this topic is getting no traction here, after all, it's a HUGE story that hits world politics, sports, entertainment.... nobody is missing this story.

Yet, for over a week nothing was posted here, and now that it is... CRICKETS.

What the actual fuck? Fine, I've been away awhile, might as well join in for this one.

Here's somebody on the wrong side, LeBron places his money over the freedom of the people of Hong Kong:

https://twitter.com/darre...7728894976


Is it because antifa is known to fly the flag of China while the Hong Kong protestors are flying the American flag? Is that why no one wants to talk about it? Hmmmm....

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Reply #7 posted 10/15/19 7:13am

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OldFriends4Sale has a thread on ths topic that is still open called Hong Kong Protests.

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Reply #8 posted 10/15/19 7:22am

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poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale has a thread on ths topic that is still open called Hong Kong Protests.


Thanks, missed that one, but... no, it's not still open.

I noticed on that one that 2freaky said: "Oddly Protests are like antifa."

Which is hilarious since antifa like to "protest" carrying the flag of China while those in Hong Kong protest while carrying the American flag. The people in Hong Kong are fighting FOR freedom, antifa fight AGAINST it.

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Reply #9 posted 10/15/19 7:35am

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Right wingers are obsessed with antifa. Get a room already.

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Reply #10 posted 10/15/19 7:40am

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Jesus Christ, another thread that descends into antifa. Let's put it this way, the protestors use of the US flag as a flag of freedom is about as accurate as antifa's use of the Chinese flag as the same.

[Edited 10/15/19 7:40am]

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Reply #11 posted 10/15/19 7:50am

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I 100% support the protests in Hong Kong and I hope they continue to fight for their rights! They have balls indeed! I'd love to see the US do this to oust that asshole in the WH.

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Reply #12 posted 10/15/19 7:55am

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djThunderfunk said:

poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale has a thread on ths topic that is still open called Hong Kong Protests.


Thanks, missed that one, but... no, it's not still open.

I noticed on that one that 2freaky said: "Oddly Protests are like antifa."

Which is hilarious since antifa like to "protest" carrying the flag of China while those in Hong Kong protest while carrying the American flag. The people in Hong Kong are fighting FOR freedom, antifa fight AGAINST it.


Probably better since my browser is showing there is stuff on there that is not secure.

However, you still made your return to P&R by berating the orgers here in your usual condescending manner. Many of us were on that thread. Forgive us if we didn't rush here to take on fake criticism.

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Reply #13 posted 10/15/19 8:01am

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Jesus Christ, another thread that descends into antifa. Let's put it this way, the protestors use of the US flag as a flag of freedom is about as accurate as antifa's use of the Chinese flag as the same.


Agree, it's absolutely ridiculous. When he found out there was another thread, he came here and baited freaky. Dragged a post from the old thread that just happened to mention one of his pet topics - that has nothing whatsoever to do with Hong Kong. Same old same.

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Reply #14 posted 10/15/19 8:02am

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I 100% support the protests in Hong Kong and I hope they continue to fight for their rights! They have balls indeed! I'd love to see the US do this to oust that asshole in the WH.

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Reply #15 posted 10/15/19 8:09am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Right wingers are obsessed with antifa. Get a room already.


I guess it's not relevent that Hong Kong protesters are carrying American flags while antifa carries Chinese flags? You think?

And then I was responding to 2freaky, a "left winger", and what HE said about antifa, but, whatevs.

What do you think about what's going on in Hong Kong? Do you support the protesters or China?



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Reply #16 posted 10/15/19 8:10am

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jaawwnn said:

Jesus Christ, another thread that descends into antifa. Let's put it this way, the protestors use of the US flag as a flag of freedom is about as accurate as antifa's use of the Chinese flag as the same.

[Edited 10/15/19 7:40am]


Right, because antifa are holding Chinese flags while Hong Kong protesters are holding American flags. AND 2freaky brought it up in the other thread. But, Ok.

Do you support the protesters in Hong Kong, or China?




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Reply #17 posted 10/15/19 8:15am

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poppys said:

djThunderfunk said:


Thanks, missed that one, but... no, it's not still open.

I noticed on that one that 2freaky said: "Oddly Protests are like antifa."

Which is hilarious since antifa like to "protest" carrying the flag of China while those in Hong Kong protest while carrying the American flag. The people in Hong Kong are fighting FOR freedom, antifa fight AGAINST it.


Probably better since my browser is showing there is stuff on there that is not secure.

However, you still made your return to P&R by berating the orgers here in your usual condescending manner. Many of us were on that thread. Forgive us if we didn't rush here to take on fake criticism.


I know it's a waste of my time to post here since "people like you" have no interest in rational discussion, but you feel free to rush away and not participate with your fake outrage.

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Reply #18 posted 10/15/19 8:19am

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poppys said:

jaawwnn said:

Jesus Christ, another thread that descends into antifa. Let's put it this way, the protestors use of the US flag as a flag of freedom is about as accurate as antifa's use of the Chinese flag as the same.


Agree, it's absolutely ridiculous. When he found out there was another thread, he came here and baited freaky. Dragged a post from the old thread that just happened to mention one of his pet topics - that has nothing whatsoever to do with Hong Kong. Same old same.


I baited 2freaky? falloff Naw, I responded to his bait. Go check out the Chappelle thread to see how much he baits me before bringing that bullshit.

You pointed me to that thread, so that's on you, honey. lol lol

And really? People in Hong Kong protesting FOR FREEDOM holding American flags has nothing to do with antifa in American fighting AGAINST FREEDOM holding the flag of China?

Riiiiiiight! lol lol lol

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Reply #19 posted 10/15/19 8:20am

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poppys said:


Probably better since my browser is showing there is stuff on there that is not secure.

However, you still made your return to P&R by berating the orgers here in your usual condescending manner. Many of us were on that thread. Forgive us if we didn't rush here to take on fake criticism.


I know it's a waste of my time to post here since "people like you" have no interest in rational discussion, but you feel free to rush away and not participate with your fake outrage.


bored Luckily, I'm not here for you and your obsessions. So my freedom of choice continues...

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Reply #20 posted 10/15/19 8:23am

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poppys said:


Agree, it's absolutely ridiculous. When he found out there was another thread, he came here and baited freaky. Dragged a post from the old thread that just happened to mention one of his pet topics - that has nothing whatsoever to do with Hong Kong. Same old same.


I baited 2freaky? falloff Naw, I responded to his bait. Go check out the Chappelle thread to see how much he baits me before bringing that bullshit.

You pointed me to that thread, so that's on you, honey. lol lol

And really? People in Hong Kong protesting FOR FREEDOM holding American flags has nothing to do with antifa in American fighting AGAINST FREEDOM holding the flag of China?

Riiiiiiight! lol lol lol


bored bored bored Poor DJ has been lacking the attention he craves. What a shame.

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Reply #21 posted 10/15/19 8:29am

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djThunderfunk said:

jaawwnn said:

Jesus Christ, another thread that descends into antifa. Let's put it this way, the protestors use of the US flag as a flag of freedom is about as accurate as antifa's use of the Chinese flag as the same.

[Edited 10/15/19 7:40am]


Right, because 2freaky brought it up. But, Ok.

Do you support the protesters in Hong Kong, or China?


[Edited 10/15/19 8:12am]

I'm honestly not informed enough on the issues at hand or the history. People generally don't protest for no reason though and China, even adjusting for western media bias, isn't exactly known for its human rights record.

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Reply #22 posted 10/15/19 8:43am

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poppys said:

djThunderfunk said:


I know it's a waste of my time to post here since "people like you" have no interest in rational discussion, but you feel free to rush away and not participate with your fake outrage.


bored Luckily, I'm not here for you and your obsessions. So my freedom of choice continues...


So let's get into it then. China... tell us what you think.

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Reply #23 posted 10/15/19 8:44am

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poppys said:

djThunderfunk said:


I baited 2freaky? falloff Naw, I responded to his bait. Go check out the Chappelle thread to see how much he baits me before bringing that bullshit.

You pointed me to that thread, so that's on you, honey. lol lol

And really? People in Hong Kong protesting FOR FREEDOM holding American flags has nothing to do with antifa in American fighting AGAINST FREEDOM holding the flag of China?

Riiiiiiight! lol lol lol


bored bored bored Poor DJ has been lacking the attention he craves. What a shame.


You're so good at talking ABOUT people you disagree with, but you suck at talking about the subject, which I can only guess, you disagree about.

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Reply #24 posted 10/15/19 8:48am

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jaawwnn said:

djThunderfunk said:


Right, because 2freaky brought it up. But, Ok.

Do you support the protesters in Hong Kong, or China?


[Edited 10/15/19 8:12am]

I'm honestly not informed enough on the issues at hand or the history. People generally don't protest for no reason though and China, even adjusting for western media bias, isn't exactly known for its human rights record.


It's all over the news, not just world politics. It's also sports news and entertainment news. People are choosing what means more to them, freedom or money. Is it not a topic at your news source of choice?

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Reply #25 posted 10/15/19 8:53am

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djThunderfunk said:

jaawwnn said:

I'm honestly not informed enough on the issues at hand or the history. People generally don't protest for no reason though and China, even adjusting for western media bias, isn't exactly known for its human rights record.


It's all over the news, not just world politics. It's also sports news and entertainment news. People are choosing what means more to them, freedom or money. Is it not a topic at your news source of choice?

yes i've read this from the failing new york times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/world/asia/what-are-hong-kong-protests-about.html

and i'm inclinded to agree with the protestors but I certainly couldn't argue about it, except maybe very broadly.


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jaawwnn said:

djThunderfunk said:


It's all over the news, not just world politics. It's also sports news and entertainment news. People are choosing what means more to them, freedom or money. Is it not a topic at your news source of choice?

yes i've read this from the failing new york times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/world/asia/what-are-hong-kong-protests-about.html

and i'm inclinded to agree with the protestors but I certainly couldn't argue about it, except maybe very broadly.


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No opinion on people here placing more importance on Chinese dollars than freedom?

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lol lol Nothing new no. Capitalists gonna capitalist. I'm already against them.

I'm kind of more preoccupied with Brexit right now tbh.

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Reply #28 posted 10/15/19 9:13am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Right wingers are obsessed with antifa. Get a room already.

I think he´s just pointing out obvious contradictions or the irony he´s seeing, and making a valid point. Is it a bit off-topic because it´s about antifa ? Maybe. But it does have to do with the thread topic, too, which is , the way I understand it, about protests, China and Hong Kong.

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When I saw that footage of Americans holding China flags at that anti-Trump protest there were two things that surprised me. One was seeing young Americans waving flags of China in order to protest Trump, and the other was when one of the protesters spat at a senior gentleman wearing a MAGA who was being interviewed and who was very calm, polite and friendly and who still remained very calm after the incident.

On the one hand I wondered why they´d even carry Chinese flags to protest Trump, and then I found it disrespectful that they would spit at someone for having a different view, yet hold flags and show support for a country that is even worse than Trump when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

Even more off-topic but......if I were paranoid maybe I would think that it was all staged to make people hate anti-Trump protesters....send some agents provocateurs into the crowd and let them wave Chinese flags, and do an interview with an elderly, friendly speaking white Trump supporter with a MAGA hat and let someone spit at him, et voilá, people will probably dislike the protesters when they see the footage.

But those are just paranoid thoughts. And I´m not paranoid. lol

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My go-to thought would be that it's more likely just teenagers trying to wind up their parents. I mean, if you must take it seriously then i'd see it as an emerging class consciousness amongst the US youth including a massive over-correction where kids use communism memes in their protests.

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