independent and unofficial
Prince fan community site
Sun 17th Nov 2019 9:08am
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Politics & Religion > Trump impeachment hearings
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 24 of 26 « First<17181920212223242526>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #690 posted 11/01/19 8:15am

poppys

Not expecting a thing from Repubs. They bitched when there wasn't a vote, now they're bitching because there was one.

politics: the art or science of government.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #691 posted 11/01/19 9:44am

Musicslave

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

RodeoSchro said:

The impeachment inquiry vote passes 232 - 196.

No Republican voted for it. Two Democrats - Collin Peterson and Jeff Van Drew - voted against it. One Democrat and three Republicans weren't present to vote, but I don't know who they are.

Unless Tulsi Gabbard was the Democrat who wasn't present, then she must have voted for the impeachment inquiry. Which is a shock, honestly.


That's a hell of a lot of folks who didn't support. What's the hold that this douche holds over the party?

-

FEAR.

-

Fear of being primaried by a "loyal" or promise to be loyal trump lackey. They know better. They just don't have the balls to stand up against trump or just simply stand for justice.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #692 posted 11/01/19 10:35am

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

Musicslave said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:


That's a hell of a lot of folks who didn't support. What's the hold that this douche holds over the party?

-

FEAR.

-

Fear of being primaried by a "loyal" or promise to be loyal trump lackey. They know better. They just don't have the balls to stand up against trump or just simply stand for justice.

Wrong is right - that is their stand and they are selling it hook, line and sinker to his base. disbelief

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #693 posted 11/01/19 12:41pm

2freaky4church
1

avatar

Chomsky is against impeachment. omg.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #694 posted 11/01/19 2:42pm

Astasheiks

avatar

Two guesses why Trump moved to Florida

Donald Trump has changed his official residence from New York, where it has been all his life, to Florida. As the New York Times reports, the White House, and Trump's Twitter feed, have suggested that taxes have something to do with this move.

Trump's legal move to Florida may indeed be about taxes, as Trump himself suggests, but just not about paying taxes, which Trump doesn't do. Instead, the move seems inspired by attempts to disclose Trump's taxes, which the President also ...like to do.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

You can run but you can't Hide! eek biggrin lol

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #695 posted 11/02/19 8:48am

poppys

Rick Perry is refusing to testify. So that answers that question from far far upthread. He's all up in the Ukraine debacle, thanks for your service Rick.

politics: the art or science of government.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #696 posted 11/02/19 2:11pm

2elijah

avatar

Astasheiks said:

Two guesses why Trump moved to Florida


Donald Trump has changed his official residence from New York, where it has been all his life, to Florida. As the New York Times reports, the White House, and Trump's Twitter feed, have suggested that taxes have something to do with this move.



Trump's legal move to Florida may indeed be about taxes, as Trump himself suggests, but just not about paying taxes, which Trump doesn't do. Instead, the move seems inspired by attempts to disclose Trump's taxes, which the President also ...like to do.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html



You can run but you can't Hide! eek biggrin lol



Good riddens!! woot! woot!
He’s just angry because many New Yorkers knew for a long time, that he’s a seedy conman. Now hopefully he has his name removed from many of the buildings in NYC.
Rest in Power Elijah Cummings. Thank you for your fight for human rights/justice. Your legacy will never die in vain.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #697 posted 11/03/19 6:16am

PennyPurple

avatar

Can I just say I can't stand Kelly Ann Conway, and why these news stations continue to have her on, is beyond me. Her and fuck face are equal in their lies.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #698 posted 11/03/19 8:08am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

Can I just say I can't stand Kelly Ann Conway, and why these news stations continue to have her on, is beyond me. Her and fuck face are equal in their lies.


Agree, just flipped by her on Fox "news". Can we add in Mr. Lindsey too? He has a band-aid on his head today, maybe his brains are broke.

politics: the art or science of government.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #699 posted 11/03/19 11:50am

2freaky4church
1

avatar

Thank skanky Bill Maher for that ho and Ann Coulter. lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #700 posted 11/04/19 3:21am

2elijah

avatar

DiminutiveRocker said:



Musicslave said:




Ugot2shakesumthin said:




That's a hell of a lot of folks who didn't support. What's the hold that this douche holds over the party?



-


FEAR.


-


Fear of being primaried by a "loyal" or promise to be loyal trump lackey. They know better. They just don't have the balls to stand up against trump or just simply stand for justice.




Wrong is right - that is their stand and they are selling it hook, line and sinker to his base. disbelief


Well, it’s no surprise to me that the repubs will not agree to impeach trump, but at least it will be a stain on his record, that will add to him being the most incompetent president.
Rest in Power Elijah Cummings. Thank you for your fight for human rights/justice. Your legacy will never die in vain.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #701 posted 11/04/19 6:53pm

RodeoSchro

avatar

Below is footnote 36 to the 2000 Department of Justice memo regarding the indictment of a sitting president. It lays out that while the DOJ found that a sitting president could not be indicted, both Congress AND grand juries AND prosecutors could collect evidence during a sitting president's term.

This is because it's not fair to make witnesses wait as long as 8 years before they can be interviewed by a prosecutor, grand jury or Congress. Many things could happen - memory loss, destruction of evidence, demise of a witness.

Bottom line? There is no legal foundation for the obstruction of an investigation into a sitting president's possible high crimes and misdemeanors. The only question is how fast the USSC will ultimately confirm this.

https://www.justice.gov/f...1/download



36 On the one hand, there may be less reason to fear a prejudicial loss of evidence in the criminal context. A grand jury could continue to gather evidence throughout the period of immunity, even passing this task down to subsequently empaneled grand juries if necessary. See Fed. R. Cnm. P 6(e)(3)(C)(m). Moreover, in the event of suspicion of serious wrongdoing by a sitting President, the media and even Congress(through its own investigatory powers) would likely pursue, collect and preserve evidence as well. These multiple mechanisms for securing and preserving evidence could mitigate somewhat the effect of a particular witness’s failed recollection or demise. By contrast, many civil litigants would lack the resources and incentives to pursue and preserve evidence in the same comprehensive manner. On the other hand, the consequences of any prejudicial loss of evidence that does occur in the criminal context are more grave, given the presumptively greater stakes for both the United States and the defendant in criminal litigation. See United States v Nixon, 418 U S at 711-13, 713 (in emphasizing the importance of access to evidence in a pending cnminal trial, giving significant weight in the constitutional balance to “the fundamental demands of due process of law in the fair administration of criminal justice” ).



.

[Edited 11/4/19 18:54pm]

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's Palladin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #702 posted 11/05/19 1:51pm

RodeoSchro

avatar

falloff Well, the first rat has abandoned ship!


U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland - and just a reminder: Ukraine is NOT a member of the European Union, so WTF is Sondland involved? - anyway, he just...ahem...updated his testimony.

In a move that is sure to draw the ire of unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump, Sondland remembered a September 1st conversation that occurred on the sidelines of a meeting between Vice President Mike Pence and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in which he told a top aide to Zelensky that the security aid and investigations were linked.

"I now recall speaking individually with Mr. (Andriy) Yermak, where I said resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks," Sondland said.

falloff x 4,296

First of all - "for many weeks"? How long had they been trying to blackmail Ukraine?!? How many Ukranian soldiers died because weapons and defense systems they needed were held back while all this blackmailing was going on?

Here's something that guitarslinger44 will find interesting, given that he's so interested in Genius Lawyer(TM) Rudy Giuliani's involvement in all this!

In his deposition last month, Sondland testified that he did not ultimately know why the aid to Ukraine was withheld. But he told lawmakers that efforts from the President's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to persuade Ukraine to open an investigation into Trump's political rivals "kept getting more insidious" as time went on, and he suggested Giuliani's efforts might have been illegal, according to the deposition transcript.

Sondland testified that it would be "improper" for Giuliani to push the Ukrainians to investigate Biden or get involved in the 2020 election. Asked if it was illegal, Sondland said: "I'm not a lawyer, but I assume so."

popcorn

Always remember this:

Even before the American public read one page of any transcript of any private deposition, nearly every poll has shown that more Americans want unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump impeached and removed from office than don't.

That percentage is only going to go up as actual transcripts are released; public depositions are taken; and documents are produced.

NOTE: The GOP has yet to produce ONE witness that can refute anything alleged to have been done. The best they can come up with is, "Well, yeah - Trump did it. And it might not have been the right thing to do. But it's not impeachable!"

Using the power of the office of president of the United States of America to ask a foreign government to dig up dirt on your political opponent is always worthy of impeachment and conviction.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's Palladin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #703 posted 11/05/19 2:37pm

Ugot2shakesumt
hin

avatar

Sadly right now it's not about facts/right/wrong, but about party lines. This is the perfect example of why we need a third party instead of a chicken/wolf scenario where outcome depends who has the upper hand in who is judging whom.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #704 posted 11/05/19 3:19pm

RodeoSchro

avatar

Rand Paul is such a little popdick. You have to have a serious screw loose to support that nutjob.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's Palladin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #705 posted 11/06/19 6:29am

poppys

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Sadly right now it's not about facts/right/wrong, but about party lines. This is the perfect example of why we need a third party instead of a chicken/wolf scenario where outcome depends who has the upper hand in who is judging whom.


We have always had 3 and more parties running. Agree it would be better if other parties could get more traction (see the Electoral College, gerrymandering, voter supression etc).

The big difference now is that people used to vote across the ticket and they no longer do that.

politics: the art or science of government.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #706 posted 11/06/19 6:48am

poppys

At least Sondland added to his testimony, which now supports quid pro quo.

He said reading other witnesses' statements reminded him of a conversation... I wonder if there were legal reasons he did that, but I'll take it either way.

politics: the art or science of government.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #707 posted 11/06/19 7:25am

2freaky4church
1

avatar

Quid pro Quo.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #708 posted 11/06/19 7:36am

Ugot2shakesumt
hin

avatar

Funny how a lot of the same players/felons from the Mueller investigation are implicated and dovetailed into this mess. The nothing burger that keeps sending people to the doctor inside prison.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #709 posted 11/06/19 3:15pm

RodeoSchro

avatar

poppys said:

At least Sondland added to his testimony, which now supports quid pro quo.

He said reading other witnesses' statements reminded him of a conversation... I wonder if there were legal reasons he did that, but I'll take it either way.



If they haven't started yet, you can expect the GOP to portray Sondland as a liar who changed his story. They'll say it doesn't matter if he lied the first time, or the second time - they will say all that matters is that there's no doubt he lied at some time. Therefore, he is a liar and cannot be believed.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's Palladin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #710 posted 11/08/19 4:21pm

Ugot2shakesumt
hin

avatar

So it's becoming clear why Mulvaney and Guiliani have been acting so sketchy, they are at the center of "this drug deal" as Bolton called it

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #711 posted 11/09/19 8:07am

2freaky4church
1

avatar

The voters say they don't care.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #712 posted 11/09/19 10:52am

PennyPurple

avatar

2freaky4church1 said:

The voters say they don't care.

Those are probably the voters who didn't vote, who helped us get into this frickin mess.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #713 posted 11/10/19 8:37am

poppys

RodeoSchro said:

Rand Paul is such a little popdick. You have to have a serious screw loose to support that nutjob.


Popdick, love it, I'm stealing that! He's on Meet the Press blaming Hillary Clinton (again) today. What an azz.

They assigned Jim Jordan to the televised impreachment hearings. Get ready for a hoedown.

“Jim Jordan has been on the front lines in the fight for fairness and truth,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said in a statement. “His addition will ensure more accountability and transparency in this sham process.” rolleyes

politics: the art or science of government.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #714 posted 11/10/19 9:13pm

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

PennyPurple said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The voters say they don't care.

Those are probably the voters who didn't vote, who helped us get into this frickin mess.




Yep! nod

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #715 posted 11/12/19 7:25am

poppys

Mick Mulvaney withdraws attempt to join suit over impeachment testimony

The reversal came after the judge signaled he was inclined to rule against the acting White House chief of staff.


https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/11/bolton-deputy-mulvaney-impeachment-lawsuit-069309?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0fa-dd93-ad7f-f8ffe0400000&nlid=630318

Good read concerning Mick Mulvaney trying to glom on to another lawsuit that is now moot. He is trying to wriggle out of testifying but may have screwed up his own chances when he bragged about quid pro quo being normal at that press conference.

politics: the art or science of government.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #716 posted 11/12/19 8:07am

RodeoSchro

avatar

poppys said:

RodeoSchro said:

Rand Paul is such a little popdick. You have to have a serious screw loose to support that nutjob.


Popdick, love it, I'm stealing that! He's on Meet the Press blaming Hillary Clinton (again) today. What an azz.

They assigned Jim Jordan to the televised impreachment hearings. Get ready for a hoedown.

“Jim Jordan has been on the front lines in the fight for fairness and truth,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said in a statement. “His addition will ensure more accountability and transparency in this sham process.” rolleyes



I hope Adam Schiff makes Jordan wear a jacket - as is befitting the gravity of the situation. If he doesn't, I hope Schiff either throws him out or better yet, castigates Jordan for failing to dress like a man.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's Palladin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #717 posted 11/13/19 7:15am

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

And so it begins.... popcorn

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #718 posted 11/13/19 7:26am

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

Thanks for stickifing, Luv! biggrin


Update... I effing HATE Devon Nunez! Dispicable, dispicable man. disbelief He is a complete embarrassment to the entire state of California.


Calling again for Hunter Biden to testify.... I think he should, to set it all straight that Trump was trying to create a scandal where none existed because he feels threatened by Joe Biden's bid for POTUS.

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #719 posted 11/13/19 7:27am

RodeoSchro

avatar

Schiff did a very good job; Nunes is probably thinking about cows.

I saw this is now a sticky, buy this thread only has four days of life left, and is at almost 800 replies.

Would it be a good idea to start a new impeachment thread now? It would run with the actual impeachment process, and it should last long enough to make it to the end.

OP/mods, what do you think?

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's Palladin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 24 of 26 « First<17181920212223242526>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Politics & Religion > Trump impeachment hearings