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Reply #30 posted 09/11/19 10:58am

poppys

Ok, now we know this is actually a serious thread about (the Christian) religion because of other posters. There was no information given in the OP except for HIM.

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Reply #31 posted 09/11/19 11:31am

jfenster

toejam said:

Jfenster, in what sense do you think you "know" Jesus?

read HIS words and try to live the life accordingly

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Reply #32 posted 09/11/19 11:33am

jfenster

poppys said:

Who is worried about anybody's beliefs? The bigger question is why can't jfenster start a proper religion thread with the bible references in the OP? This is bait any way you look at it.

u are right i should have...but then it wouldnt have been so easy to dismiss....even though it has...to some

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Reply #33 posted 09/11/19 11:38am

RodeoSchro

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EmmaMcG said:

RodeoSchro said:

Why are some of y'all so worried about that jfenster or I believe?

If you agree with us, great.

If you think we're wrong, so what? We'll die, and that's it.

All jfenster or I have told you is what we believe. If you choose to act postively on it, great. But we can't make you do that, nor have we tried.

It's not a case of people not accepting your beliefs. The orger known as jfenster is a known bullshitter who has clearly started this thread to start this very argument. And everyone seems to have fallen for it so I suppose he's succeeded in what he's set out to do.

But even if he wasn't a troll, do you honestly think it's a good idea for him to post that kind of stuff here in the manner he has? Most non religious people like myself have no problem at all with people who choose to believe in god. We just ask that you keep those beliefs to yourself. You don't like it when atheists try to force their (lack of) beliefs on you so please don't ever try to force your beliefs on us. Discussion is fine. In fact, discussion is encouraged. I've mentioned on here before that my uncle is a priest and I quite enjoy talking about his religion with him. But what jfenster has done here is not promoting discussion. It's classic fear mongering, the kind used by the church. And that's only ever going to be met with the kind of responses we see here.

But like I said, I'm sure that was his motive from the beginning.



What is the title of this forum?

Given that it's "Politics and Religion" then as far as I'm concerned any topic is fair game. I guess if I was going to split hairs, I'd say atheism isn't a religion; it's the rejection of religion. Therefore, atheism isn't a valid topic when it comes to discussing religion.

But who cares? Not me. If a Muslim wishes to post that Islam is the one true religion and is the only path to salvation, have at it. It's not going to change my beliefs but I'm sure not going to knock anyone else's belief.

Speaking of which, my belief is that if you don't declare that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you aren't going to Heaven. You are free to take that information and act on it in any way you wish.

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Reply #34 posted 09/11/19 11:54am

jfenster

EmmaMcG said:

RodeoSchro said:

Why are some of y'all so worried about that jfenster or I believe?

If you agree with us, great.

If you think we're wrong, so what? We'll die, and that's it.

All jfenster or I have told you is what we believe. If you choose to act postively on it, great. But we can't make you do that, nor have we tried.

It's not a case of people not accepting your beliefs. The orger known as jfenster is a known bullshitter who has clearly started this thread to start this very argument. And everyone seems to have fallen for it so I suppose he's succeeded in what he's set out to do. But even if he wasn't a troll, do you honestly think it's a good idea for him to post that kind of stuff here in the manner he has? Most non religious people like myself have no problem at all with people who choose to believe in god. We just ask that you keep those beliefs to yourself. You don't like it when atheists try to force their (lack of) beliefs on you so please don't ever try to force your beliefs on us. Discussion is fine. In fact, discussion is encouraged. I've mentioned on here before that my uncle is a priest and I quite enjoy talking about his religion with him. But what jfenster has done here is not promoting discussion. It's classic fear mongering, the kind used by the church. And that's only ever going to be met with the kind of responses we see here. But like I said, I'm sure that was his motive from the beginning.

WOW.....u read too much into a single comment

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Reply #35 posted 09/11/19 12:11pm

poppys

jfenster said:

poppys said:

Who is worried about anybody's beliefs? The bigger question is why can't jfenster start a proper religion thread with the bible references in the OP? This is bait any way you look at it.


u are right i should have...but then it wouldnt have been so easy to dismiss....even though it has...to some


Ok, but you invited people to dismiss your topic by not being clear. I wasn't sure it was a thread about Christianity until the (New Testament) book of Matthew was mentioned. There are definitely people here who will discuss a particular religion if you create a straightforward thread about it. But I don't think this is a place to proselytize or you will get what you got.
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Reply #36 posted 09/11/19 12:51pm

jfenster

poppys said:

jfenster said:


u are right i should have...but then it wouldnt have been so easy to dismiss....even though it has...to some


Ok, but you invited people to dismiss your topic by not being clear. I wasn't sure it was a thread about Christianity until the (New Testament) book of Matthew was mentioned. There are definitely people here who will discuss a particular religion if you create a straightforward thread about it. But I don't think this is a place to proselytize or you will get what you got.
peace

wasnt tryin to proselytize ...just mentioning what it says in the bible

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Reply #37 posted 09/11/19 12:55pm

EmmaMcG

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OldFriends4Sale said:



LOL I forgot you joined 2015 You missed the countless thread by atheists tearing down and attacking peoples religious beliefs. There was a member who admitted his threads were to get Black folk away from believe in god, as he pretended to be some kind of christian.


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He went to war with people, even tried to attack a current posting member off-Org


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Prince never kept his beliefs to himself, how did/do you deal with that?


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And can anyone really accuse the OP of forcing their belief on them?






EmmaMcG said:


RodeoSchro said:

Why are some of y'all so worried about that jfenster or I believe?

If you agree with us, great.

If you think we're wrong, so what? We'll die, and that's it.

All jfenster or I have told you is what we believe. If you choose to act postively on it, great. But we can't make you do that, nor have we tried.



It's not a case of people not accepting your beliefs. The orger known as jfenster is a known bullshitter who has clearly started this thread to start this very argument. And everyone seems to have fallen for it so I suppose he's succeeded in what he's set out to do. But even if he wasn't a troll, do you honestly think it's a good idea for him to post that kind of stuff here in the manner he has? Most non religious people like myself have no problem at all with people who choose to believe in god. We just ask that you keep those beliefs to yourself. You don't like it when atheists try to force their (lack of) beliefs on you so please don't ever try to force your beliefs on us. Discussion is fine. In fact, discussion is encouraged. I've mentioned on here before that my uncle is a priest and I quite enjoy talking about his religion with him. But what jfenster has done here is not promoting discussion. It's classic fear mongering, the kind used by the church. And that's only ever going to be met with the kind of responses we see here. But like I said, I'm sure that was his motive from the beginning.



The OP is full of shit and I've already given more of my time to this obvious troll thread than I would have liked so I won't say much more on the subject. To your point about certain orgers attacking others over their beliefs, they're morons. Unfortunately a lot of atheists feel the need to let everyone know they're atheists and they never miss an opportunity. But the same goes for religious people.
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Reply #38 posted 09/11/19 1:05pm

EmmaMcG

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RodeoSchro said:



EmmaMcG said:


RodeoSchro said:

Why are some of y'all so worried about that jfenster or I believe?

If you agree with us, great.

If you think we're wrong, so what? We'll die, and that's it.

All jfenster or I have told you is what we believe. If you choose to act postively on it, great. But we can't make you do that, nor have we tried.



It's not a case of people not accepting your beliefs. The orger known as jfenster is a known bullshitter who has clearly started this thread to start this very argument. And everyone seems to have fallen for it so I suppose he's succeeded in what he's set out to do.

But even if he wasn't a troll, do you honestly think it's a good idea for him to post that kind of stuff here in the manner he has? Most non religious people like myself have no problem at all with people who choose to believe in god. We just ask that you keep those beliefs to yourself. You don't like it when atheists try to force their (lack of) beliefs on you so please don't ever try to force your beliefs on us. Discussion is fine. In fact, discussion is encouraged. I've mentioned on here before that my uncle is a priest and I quite enjoy talking about his religion with him. But what jfenster has done here is not promoting discussion. It's classic fear mongering, the kind used by the church. And that's only ever going to be met with the kind of responses we see here.

But like I said, I'm sure that was his motive from the beginning.



What is the title of this forum?

Given that it's "Politics and Religion" then as far as I'm concerned any topic is fair game. I guess if I was going to split hairs, I'd say atheism isn't a religion; it's the rejection of religion. Therefore, atheism isn't a valid topic when it comes to discussing religion.

But who cares? Not me. If a Muslim wishes to post that Islam is the one true religion and is the only path to salvation, have at it. It's not going to change my beliefs but I'm sure not going to knock anyone else's belief.

Speaking of which, my belief is that if you don't declare that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you aren't going to Heaven. You are free to take that information and act on it in any way you wish.



LOL, try reading my post again. I'm not saying that you're wrong for having that belief. You're free to believe in whatever you want and you don't need to explain your beliefs to me or anyone else. But the OP is clearly going out of his way to start an argument and it appears that you're all falling for it.

But look, I'd like to think that we're friends so I hope you don't take this the wrong way. But that last comment you made about those not accepting Jesus going to hell is a belief a lot of religious people share. But it's also a belief that a lot of people within the Church don't agree with. After all, if God is supposed to be so good, why would he send the majority of his creations to a place of suffering just for worshipping a "false god" especially when in most cases their beliefs stem from their upbringing. Like, it's not a Muslim's fault if he's born in a region where Christianity is not the predominant religion.

In fact, there's a lot of things in the bible that a lot of people in the church don't agree with. But that's a conversation for another day.
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Reply #39 posted 09/11/19 1:53pm

poppys

jfenster said:

poppys said:

Ok, but you invited people to dismiss your topic by not being clear. I wasn't sure it was a thread about Christianity until the (New Testament) book of Matthew was mentioned. There are definitely people here who will discuss a particular religion if you create a straightforward thread about it. But I don't think this is a place to proselytize or you will get what you got.


wasnt tryin to proselytize ...just mentioning what it says in the bible


Now that you say you didn't set this up for your opps - what else you got? My guess is not much. Prove me wrong.

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Reply #40 posted 09/11/19 2:04pm

IanRG

RodeoSchro said:

EmmaMcG said:

RodeoSchro said: It's not a case of people not accepting your beliefs. The orger known as jfenster is a known bullshitter who has clearly started this thread to start this very argument. And everyone seems to have fallen for it so I suppose he's succeeded in what he's set out to do.

But even if he wasn't a troll, do you honestly think it's a good idea for him to post that kind of stuff here in the manner he has? Most non religious people like myself have no problem at all with people who choose to believe in god. We just ask that you keep those beliefs to yourself. You don't like it when atheists try to force their (lack of) beliefs on you so please don't ever try to force your beliefs on us. Discussion is fine. In fact, discussion is encouraged. I've mentioned on here before that my uncle is a priest and I quite enjoy talking about his religion with him. But what jfenster has done here is not promoting discussion. It's classic fear mongering, the kind used by the church. And that's only ever going to be met with the kind of responses we see here.

But like I said, I'm sure that was his motive from the beginning.



What is the title of this forum?

Given that it's "Politics and Religion" then as far as I'm concerned any topic is fair game. I guess if I was going to split hairs, I'd say atheism isn't a religion; it's the rejection of religion. Therefore, atheism isn't a valid topic when it comes to discussing religion.

But who cares? Not me. If a Muslim wishes to post that Islam is the one true religion and is the only path to salvation, have at it. It's not going to change my beliefs but I'm sure not going to knock anyone else's belief.

Speaking of which, my belief is that if you don't declare that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you aren't going to Heaven. You are free to take that information and act on it in any way you wish.

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As a fellow Christian, I agree that the only way to the Father is through the Son. However, I do not agree that this means that we Christians know exactly how and who Jesus will accept into Heaven or that we have the only tickets in.

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Jesus' Ministry is full of examples where He showed that people on the outside, people who may not have even been the religion as Jesus were more right with God than the people who imagined that they were righteous protectors of the Faith. I have no reason to believe that all the Jews from before Jesus' time are condemned: Indeed Jesus states the names of some who are in Heaven who never declared Jesus as their Saviour before they died. I do not believe that all the Indigenous Australians before white colonisation are condemned. I do not believe that good and righteous people of all religions and those who are religiously atheist are condemned because they have not declared Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour. I believe it is Jesus' choice and He will be fair and just to all on the basis of what each person believed and why and how well they lived their beliefs to the betterment of God's creation.

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Reply #41 posted 09/11/19 2:09pm

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EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL I forgot you joined 2015 You missed the countless thread by atheists tearing down and attacking peoples religious beliefs. There was a member who admitted his threads were to get Black folk away from believe in god, as he pretended to be some kind of christian.

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He went to war with people, even tried to attack a current posting member off-Org

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Prince never kept his beliefs to himself, how did/do you deal with that?

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And can anyone really accuse the OP of forcing their belief on them?

The OP is full of shit and I've already given more of my time to this obvious troll thread than I would have liked so I won't say much more on the subject. To your point about certain orgers attacking others over their beliefs, they're morons. Unfortunately a lot of atheists feel the need to let everyone know they're atheists and they never miss an opportunity. But the same goes for religious people.

lol

Actually 'believers' would try to have conversations with believers on a subject. It was the others who would join in to tell them they were crazy or there is no god etc

Rarely did I every see believers trying to change peoples belief on the Org. Rarely.

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Reply #42 posted 09/11/19 2:50pm

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IanRG said:

RodeoSchro said:



What is the title of this forum?

Given that it's "Politics and Religion" then as far as I'm concerned any topic is fair game. I guess if I was going to split hairs, I'd say atheism isn't a religion; it's the rejection of religion. Therefore, atheism isn't a valid topic when it comes to discussing religion.

But who cares? Not me. If a Muslim wishes to post that Islam is the one true religion and is the only path to salvation, have at it. It's not going to change my beliefs but I'm sure not going to knock anyone else's belief.

Speaking of which, my belief is that if you don't declare that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you aren't going to Heaven. You are free to take that information and act on it in any way you wish.

.

As a fellow Christian, I agree that the only way to the Father is through the Son. However, I do not agree that this means that we Christians know exactly how and who Jesus will accept into Heaven or that we have the only tickets in.

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Jesus' Ministry is full of examples where He showed that people on the outside, people who may not have even been the religion as Jesus were more right with God than the people who imagined that they were righteous protectors of the Faith. I have no reason to believe that all the Jews from before Jesus' time are condemned: Indeed Jesus states the names of some who are in Heaven who never declared Jesus as their Saviour before they died. I do not believe that all the Indigenous Australians before white colonisation are condemned. I do not believe that good and righteous people of all religions and those who are religiously atheist are condemned because they have not declared Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour. I believe it is Jesus' choice and He will be fair and just to all on the basis of what each person believed and why and how well they lived their beliefs to the betterment of God's creation.


Not to mention the entire family of Jesus - who was born a Jew.

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Reply #43 posted 09/11/19 3:27pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



EmmaMcG said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



LOL I forgot you joined 2015 You missed the countless thread by atheists tearing down and attacking peoples religious beliefs. There was a member who admitted his threads were to get Black folk away from believe in god, as he pretended to be some kind of christian.


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He went to war with people, even tried to attack a current posting member off-Org


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Prince never kept his beliefs to himself, how did/do you deal with that?


,


And can anyone really accuse the OP of forcing their belief on them?







The OP is full of shit and I've already given more of my time to this obvious troll thread than I would have liked so I won't say much more on the subject. To your point about certain orgers attacking others over their beliefs, they're morons. Unfortunately a lot of atheists feel the need to let everyone know they're atheists and they never miss an opportunity. But the same goes for religious people.


lol



Actually 'believers' would try to have conversations with believers on a subject. It was the others who would join in to tell them they were crazy or there is no god etc


Rarely did I every see believers trying to change peoples belief on the Org. Rarely.





The idiots are always loudest.
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Reply #44 posted 09/11/19 4:48pm

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jfenster said:



toejam said:


Jfenster, in what sense do you think you "know" Jesus?



read HIS words and try to live the life accordingly



What do you understand Jesus' words to be? Most of the Bible is not about Jesus, nor quotes him. And of the stuff that does, it is hard to know what is historically authentic and what is later legend / allegory about him. You don't know Jesus any more than any of us "know" any other similarly evidenced ancient figure. The best we can do is some broad indefinite sketch. He's not alive anymore to know in any personal sense.

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Reply #45 posted 09/12/19 6:24am

poppys

RodeoSchro said:

EmmaMcG said:

RodeoSchro said: It's not a case of people not accepting your beliefs. The orger known as jfenster is a known bullshitter who has clearly started this thread to start this very argument. And everyone seems to have fallen for it so I suppose he's succeeded in what he's set out to do.

But even if he wasn't a troll, do you honestly think it's a good idea for him to post that kind of stuff here in the manner he has? Most non religious people like myself have no problem at all with people who choose to believe in god. We just ask that you keep those beliefs to yourself. You don't like it when atheists try to force their (lack of) beliefs on you so please don't ever try to force your beliefs on us. Discussion is fine. In fact, discussion is encouraged. I've mentioned on here before that my uncle is a priest and I quite enjoy talking about his religion with him. But what jfenster has done here is not promoting discussion. It's classic fear mongering, the kind used by the church. And that's only ever going to be met with the kind of responses we see here.

But like I said, I'm sure that was his motive from the beginning.



What is the title of this forum?

Given that it's "Politics and Religion" then as far as I'm concerned any topic is fair game. I guess if I was going to split hairs, I'd say atheism isn't a religion; it's the rejection of religion. Therefore, atheism isn't a valid topic when it comes to discussing religion.

But who cares? Not me. If a Muslim wishes to post that Islam is the one true religion and is the only path to salvation, have at it. It's not going to change my beliefs but I'm sure not going to knock anyone else's belief.

Speaking of which, my belief is that if you don't declare that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior, you aren't going to Heaven. You are free to take that information and act on it in any way you wish.


The key word here is belief. You believe a chosen few are going to heaven, the teachings of your particular brand of Christianity.

There is another Christian branch that believes if you are not baptized at birth, you are not going to heaven, even if you die as a little baby. That is so indoctrinated that friends of mine believe I have no chance because I was raised in a branch that's been around at least 500 years that does not baptize at birth. They do not believe in that.

You have to wait to join the church until you are at least 12 yrs old, and personally consent. I was never baptized because I did not join the church, or any church. Doesn't mean I don't have understanding and respect for the teachings of Jesus. My branch preaches a lot of tolerance.

Christianity is not one size fits all when it comes to the afterlife. And Christianity is only one religion. There are many.

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Reply #46 posted 09/12/19 1:13pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said: The OP is full of shit and I've already given more of my time to this obvious troll thread than I would have liked so I won't say much more on the subject. To your point about certain orgers attacking others over their beliefs, they're morons. Unfortunately a lot of atheists feel the need to let everyone know they're atheists and they never miss an opportunity. But the same goes for religious people.

lol

Actually 'believers' would try to have conversations with believers on a subject. It was the others who would join in to tell them they were crazy or there is no god etc

Rarely did I every see believers trying to change peoples belief on the Org. Rarely.

we r not supposed to "change" non-believers.....just offer what we know

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Reply #47 posted 09/12/19 1:51pm

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we r not supposed to "change" non-believers.....just offer what we know

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But you don't know Jesus. You evidently have a strong belief about Jesus. But you don't know him. Nobody today does. He died 2,000yrs ago. And even if you believe he rose from the dead into an immortal super-physical body and went back to heaven (a very inconvient place to go if our eternal fate is somehow dependent on us having faith in his resurrection) he's not here any more for us to clarify with him personally.
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The gospels are compilations and re-edits of traditions, propaganda and allegorical stories about Jesus put together a generation or two or three after the life of Jesus by non-eyewitnesses in a foreign language (Jesus and his crew would have spoken Aramaic, the gospels are written in Greek). The fact of the gospel traditions' relatively early sprouting is probably enough to say that there was "a guy"- some historical recently-crucified Jewish apocalyptic preacher from whom the movement is based - but beyond that it all becomes too speculative to suggest that the gospels are somehow some inerrant representation of him and his teachings. And even if they do contain authentic teachings from Jesus, so what?

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Reply #48 posted 09/12/19 2:37pm

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jfenster said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol

Actually 'believers' would try to have conversations with believers on a subject. It was the others who would join in to tell them they were crazy or there is no god etc

Rarely did I every see believers trying to change peoples belief on the Org. Rarely.

we r not supposed to "change" non-believers.....just offer what we know



I agree.

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Reply #49 posted 09/12/19 2:46pm

IanRG

^^^^^

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And there you have it, EmmaMcG, the only person seeking to convert people by evangelising their beliefs is our resident fundamentalist atheist.

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Implicit in the OP is that it is important to be known by Jesus when we die because God exists and Jesus is God, the Son. Once this is taken as a key assumption, then what we have is the teaching of God, the Father given by God, the Son directly to God, the Son's Church together with God, the Holy Spirit to encourage, inspire and guide what was written in the Bible so we can learn what we need to know about God.

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Reply #50 posted 09/12/19 2:47pm

IanRG

RodeoSchro said:

jfenster said:

we r not supposed to "change" non-believers.....just offer what we know



I agree.

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As do I

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Reply #51 posted 09/12/19 11:54pm

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^^^^^

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And there you have it, EmmaMcG, the only person seeking to convert people by evangelising their beliefs is our resident fundamentalist atheist.

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Implicit in the OP is that it is important to be known by Jesus when we die because God exists and Jesus is God, the Son. Once this is taken as a key assumption, then what we have is the teaching of God, the Father given by God, the Son directly to God, the Son's Church together with God, the Holy Spirit to encourage, inspire and guide what was written in the Bible so we can learn what we need to know about God.

if you have a brother, a kid, close friend, who's already a grown up, halfway educated person with an IQ over 70, yet still believes in the Tooth Fairy or invisible unicorns? then it is your fucking duty trying to convince her/him, that he's "probably" wrong about it. that is NOT an act of evangelising
it's common sense, and based on the the pity we feel for them, trying to help them out from a deep black hole they are trapped in. like I would try to help friends who believe in 9/11 or Moon conspiracies, are addicted to drugs or members of the NRA or ISIS.

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #52 posted 09/13/19 1:32am

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BombSquad said:

IanRG said:

^^^^^

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And there you have it, EmmaMcG, the only person seeking to convert people by evangelising their beliefs is our resident fundamentalist atheist.

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Implicit in the OP is that it is important to be known by Jesus when we die because God exists and Jesus is God, the Son. Once this is taken as a key assumption, then what we have is the teaching of God, the Father given by God, the Son directly to God, the Son's Church together with God, the Holy Spirit to encourage, inspire and guide what was written in the Bible so we can learn what we need to know about God.

if you have a brother, a kid, close friend, who's already a grown up, halfway educated person with an IQ over 70, yet still believes in the Tooth Fairy or invisible unicorns? then it is your fucking duty trying to convince her/him, that he's "probably" wrong about it. that is NOT an act of evangelising
it's common sense, and based on the the pity we feel for them, trying to help them out from a deep black hole they are trapped in. like I would try to help friends who believe in 9/11 or Moon conspiracies, are addicted to drugs or members of the NRA or ISIS.

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You are just proving our point to EmmaMcG abour where the evangelising problem really lies.

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Reply #53 posted 09/13/19 2:41am

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you are proving, that you live within a bubble, and think the dumb ones are on the outside, exactly like your next best conspiracy theorist


but good to know you would give jack shit about deluded family members or friends




Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #54 posted 09/13/19 3:56am

IanRG

BombSquad said:

you are proving, that you live within a bubble, and think the dumb ones are on the outside, exactly like your next best conspiracy theorist


but good to know you would give jack shit about deluded family members or friends




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The last bit is wrong, I do worry for you.

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Reply #55 posted 09/13/19 4:34am

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Ian either can't or doesn't want to attempt a refutation of what I am saying about the gospels.

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The gospels are compilations and re-edits of traditions, propaganda and allegorical stories about Jesus put together a generation or two or three after the life of Jesus by non-eyewitnesses in a foreign language (Jesus and his crew would have spoken Aramaic, the gospels are written in Greek). The idea that they are spin-free and perfectly preserve Jesus' teachings is a highly problematic historical conclusion.

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This is not controversial, and nor is it something that one must necessarily be an atheist to see. Jfenster doesn't "know" Jesus because no one can. He died 2,000 years ago. The best we can do are sketchy historical guesstimations of the kind of character he may have been.

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Reply #56 posted 09/13/19 4:58am

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toejam said:

[...] The idea that they are spin-free and perfectly preserve Jesus' teachings is a highly problematic historical conclusion.

understatement of the year LOL



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Reply #57 posted 09/13/19 5:52am

IanRG

toejam said:

Ian either can't or doesn't want to attempt a refutation of what I am saying about the gospels.

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The gospels are compilations and re-edits of traditions, propaganda and allegorical stories about Jesus put together a generation or two or three after the life of Jesus by non-eyewitnesses in a foreign language (Jesus and his crew would have spoken Aramaic, the gospels are written in Greek). The idea that they are spin-free and perfectly preserve Jesus' teachings is a highly problematic historical conclusion.

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This is not controversial, and nor is it something that one must necessarily be an atheist to see. Jfenster doesn't "know" Jesus because no one can. He died 2,000 years ago. The best we can do are sketchy historical guesstimations of the kind of character he may have been.

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What you are saying is only true if Jesus is not God.

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Reply #58 posted 09/13/19 5:55am

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^^ then please prove that Jesus is God. without referring to the gospels. thanks


circular reasoning at its worst. coming out from that fact resistant BUBBLE I just talked about. thanks for proving that.

bible+circular.jpg

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Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #59 posted 09/13/19 6:07am

IanRG

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^^ then please prove that Jesus is God. without referring to the gospels. thanks


circular reasoning at its worst. coming out from that fact resistant BUBBLE I just talked about. thanks for proving that.

bible+circular.jpg

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I already did - look back at post #40. It does not rely on the Bible, it relies on God. The Bible is the result

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