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Postal worker, 15-year-old student are among the victims killed in Texas shooting



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/01/texas-shooting-victims-what-we-know/2189455001/

A teenager who had just celebrated her quinceañera, a postal worker and a former math teacher were among the seven people killed on the streets around Odessa, Texas, when a mass shooter shattered an otherwise quiet Saturday afternoon.


An additional 22 people were injured.

The shooting began after state troopers pulled over a man for failing to use a turn signal on Interstate 20, said Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke.

The driver grabbed a rifle and shot multiple times at the troopers through the rear window, wounding one of them, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.

The man then sped off, firing at motorists and passers-by, and eventually hijacking a U.S. Postal Service vehicle. The 36-year-old shooter was killed after being chased by officers from neighboring cities Midland and Odessa.

Officials said the ages of the deceased ranged from 15 to 57 years old. Police haven't identified those killed during Sunday afternoon's massacre, but details surrounding the lives that were cut short have begun to emerge.

These are their stories.

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Reply #1 posted 09/02/19 12:22pm

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These incidents should always be in forefront of our attention
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As i posted in the other thread, i went to HS with the former teacher whose name was joe. It was awful to hear he was killed in front of his wife and kids who were in the car with him.

It was also really heartbreaking to hear about the guy who moved from las vegas after that mass shooting to be safe in odessa, and then was killed in this shooting.

To say nothing of the 17 month old who is having to have all kinds of surgery after being shot in the face
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cborgman said:

As i posted in the other thread, i went to HS with the former teacher whose name was joe. It was awful to hear he was killed in front of his wife and kids who were in the car with him.

It was also really heartbreaking to hear about the guy who moved from las vegas after that mass shooting to be safe in odessa, and then was killed in this shooting.

To say nothing of the 17 month old who is having to have all kinds of surgery after being shot in the face

Sorry to hear that. Prayers to the victims and their families. rose
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Reply #4 posted 09/02/19 1:00pm

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So much sadness. rose It breaks my heart bheart .

Are we REALLY a country of citizens who allow this when other countries don't? I am dumbfounded at the non-reaction of our leaders (in power) to DO SOMETHING ABOUT GUNS!!!

[Edited 9/2/19 18:54pm]

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Reply #5 posted 09/02/19 2:20pm

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Spent the weekend without a phone, tv or internet was nice to get away. Then turned on the news and seen this.

We live in such a sad, sad world.

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Reply #6 posted 09/02/19 3:24pm

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Such a powerful article. It reminds us that each and every one of the statistics is a person lost. A person needlessly lost.

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IanRG said:

Such a powerful article. It reminds us that each and every one of the statistics is a person lost. A person needlessly lost.

Agreed. And it must be really hard for the families to come to terms with the needlessness of it all. No-one alive to see the aftermath they created, or to face justice. Literally pure chance that they were unlucky enough to be in his path.

It did strike me that almost all the people in the article had a gofundme set up (not necessarily by themselves, but often by well-meaning friends, family etc...). I find that really sad on two counts. First that any person who has a loved one die in such an event should find themselves unable to afford medical care or funeral expenses, that money is forced to the forefront of their thoughts. And second that, is this the age we live in, where the victims families are held up for all the world to see rather than being left to grieve privately, all in the name of raising a few quid? I dunno, I just find it a bit unsettling. Good on the funeral company at the end offering free funerals for the victims, lets hope other industries such as florists pitch in too. Surely if Trump won't do anything about gun laws, he could at least create a fund to pay medical and funeral expenses for the victims of these needless crimes? Save them being paraded on social media.

[Edited 9/3/19 2:52am]

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Reply #8 posted 09/03/19 6:31am

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maplenpg said:

IanRG said:

Such a powerful article. It reminds us that each and every one of the statistics is a person lost. A person needlessly lost.


Agreed. And it must be really hard for the families to come to terms with the needlessness of it all. No-one alive to see the aftermath they created, or to face justice. Literally pure chance that they were unlucky enough to be in his path.

It did strike me that almost all the people in the article had a gofundme set up (not necessarily by themselves, but often by well-meaning friends, family etc...). I find that really sad on two counts. First that any person who has a loved one die in such an event should find themselves unable to afford medical care or funeral expenses, that money is forced to the forefront of their thoughts. And second that, is this the age we live in, where the victims families are held up for all the world to see rather than being left to grieve privately, all in the name of raising a few quid? I dunno, I just find it a bit unsettling. Good on the funeral company at the end offering free funerals for the victims, lets hope other industries such as florists pitch in too. Surely if Trump won't do anything about gun laws, he could at least create a fund to pay medical and funeral expenses for the victims of these needless crimes? Save them being paraded on social media.


Agree that social media does take away people's privacy. But there aren't very many local newspapers anymore, or people who read/subscribe to them. Obituaries used to to be published by the family for people to read. Now, if someone dies, unless you are in the inner circle you might not even know about it. I'm not on social media (facebook) and I almost missed the death of a friend a few years ago. Someone called me the morning of her funeral.

Doesn't the first count override the second count? The cost of any service has skyrocketed these days. Many people here have no savings, back-up cash, or coming month's rent, there are lots of statistics about that and they are grim. I think the family can shut down the go fund me if they want, or request it of those who set it up. Otherwise they may need that few quid.

Trump is not going to set up a fund, if he did it would be nothing but PR for him to brag about. Part of this whole syndrome is our 'leaders' washing their hands of any responsibility so they can continue to receive NRA money. One thing for sure - the whole thing is unsettling. For me, the victims having money raised for them is the least of it.

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Reply #9 posted 09/03/19 6:55am

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poppys said:

maplenpg said:


Agreed. And it must be really hard for the families to come to terms with the needlessness of it all. No-one alive to see the aftermath they created, or to face justice. Literally pure chance that they were unlucky enough to be in his path.

It did strike me that almost all the people in the article had a gofundme set up (not necessarily by themselves, but often by well-meaning friends, family etc...). I find that really sad on two counts. First that any person who has a loved one die in such an event should find themselves unable to afford medical care or funeral expenses, that money is forced to the forefront of their thoughts. And second that, is this the age we live in, where the victims families are held up for all the world to see rather than being left to grieve privately, all in the name of raising a few quid? I dunno, I just find it a bit unsettling. Good on the funeral company at the end offering free funerals for the victims, lets hope other industries such as florists pitch in too. Surely if Trump won't do anything about gun laws, he could at least create a fund to pay medical and funeral expenses for the victims of these needless crimes? Save them being paraded on social media.


Agree that social media does take away people's privacy. But there aren't very many local newspapers anymore, or people who read/subscribe to them. Obituaries used to to be published by the family for people to read. Now, if someone dies, unless you are in the inner circle you might not even know about it. I'm not on social media (facebook) and I almost missed the death of a friend a few years ago. Someone called me the morning of her funeral.

Doesn't the first count override the second count? The cost of any service has skyrocketed these days. Many people here have no savings, back-up cash, or coming month's rent, there are lots of statistics about that and they are grim. I think the family can shut down the go fund me if they want, or request it of those who set it up. Otherwise they may need that few quid.

Trump is not going to set up a fund, if he did it would be nothing but PR for him to brag about. Part of this whole syndrome is our 'leaders' washing their hands of any responsibility so they can continue to receive NRA money. One thing for sure - the whole thing is unsettling. For me, the victims having money raised for them is the least of it.


Please don't get me wrong, I have no problem with victims having money raised for them, I guess the article just highlighted the state of society with the need for all those families to be asking for help. I find that sad. I find it sadder though that they've lost a loved one, or that they have someone they love injured in hospital in the first place.

Even if it were a Trump PR stunt, I think a fund would be a good thing. He brags about everything, even things that are completely false. So I would have no problem with him bragging about something that actually helps people, especially people in need.

We agree though Poppy, the whole thing is unsettling. Money can be used for good, as in giving help to the families, but it can be used for evil too, especially when the super rich are (fairly openly) using bribery donations to get their own way.

[Edited 9/3/19 6:58am]

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Reply #10 posted 09/03/19 7:40am

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maplenpg said:

poppys said:


Agree that social media does take away people's privacy. But there aren't very many local newspapers anymore, or people who read/subscribe to them. Obituaries used to to be published by the family for people to read. Now, if someone dies, unless you are in the inner circle you might not even know about it. I'm not on social media (facebook) and I almost missed the death of a friend a few years ago. Someone called me the morning of her funeral.

Doesn't the first count override the second count? The cost of any service has skyrocketed these days. Many people here have no savings, back-up cash, or coming month's rent, there are lots of statistics about that and they are grim. I think the family can shut down the go fund me if they want, or request it of those who set it up. Otherwise they may need that few quid.

Trump is not going to set up a fund, if he did it would be nothing but PR for him to brag about. Part of this whole syndrome is our 'leaders' washing their hands of any responsibility so they can continue to receive NRA money. One thing for sure - the whole thing is unsettling. For me, the victims having money raised for them is the least of it.


Please don't get me wrong, I have no problem with victims having money raised for them, I guess the article just highlighted the state of society with the need for all those families to be asking for help. I find that sad. I find it sadder though that they've lost a loved one, or that they have someone they love injured in hospital in the first place.

Even if it were a Trump PR stunt, I think a fund would be a good thing. He brags about everything, even things that are completely false. So I would have no problem with him bragging about something that actually helps people, especially people in need.

We agree though Poppy, the whole thing is unsettling. Money can be used for good, as in giving help to the families, but it can be used for evil too, especially when the super rich are (fairly openly) using bribery donations to get their own way.


No politician is going to start a fund. It would be admission of guilt. To me personally it is not sad that regular people want to give money to the victims, if they are OK with it. How is that any different from "industries" giving?

Yes, this is the age we live in - at least over here.

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Another white thug. He actually did go postal.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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maplenpg said:



IanRG said:


Such a powerful article. It reminds us that each and every one of the statistics is a person lost. A person needlessly lost.



Agreed. And it must be really hard for the families to come to terms with the needlessness of it all. No-one alive to see the aftermath they created, or to face justice. Literally pure chance that they were unlucky enough to be in his path.

It did strike me that almost all the people in the article had a gofundme set up (not necessarily by themselves, but often by well-meaning friends, family etc...). I find that really sad on two counts. First that any person who has a loved one die in such an event should find themselves unable to afford medical care or funeral expenses, that money is forced to the forefront of their thoughts. And second that, is this the age we live in, where the victims families are held up for all the world to see rather than being left to grieve privately, all in the name of raising a few quid? I dunno, I just find it a bit unsettling. Good on the funeral company at the end offering free funerals for the victims, lets hope other industries such as florists pitch in too. Surely if Trump won't do anything about gun laws, he could at least create a fund to pay medical and funeral expenses for the victims of these needless crimes? Save them being paraded on social media.

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A year or so before i left odessa for NYC, my brother snd sister in law had their first child, who died as labor began. He slipped into birthing position with the umbilical cord wrapped around his throat and died before anything could be done. We spent the next two days in mourning, but also in birth, an insanely hard experience especially for first time parents. The local funeral hole, who also has offered free funerals to the 7 people killed in this tragedy took tremendous care of us. My mother, my brother and i threw ourselves at their mercy and they changed almost nothing. The go fund me for each of these victims will be more about keeping the families of the dead to get new cars to replace the ones the bullets tore through and the dead were killed in, and so on
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Reply #13 posted 09/03/19 7:52am

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There was a news show last week (before Midland/Odessa), with families speaking about how they can't just go on with their lives, as they are expected to do. Go straight back to work, carry on etc etc. These deaths are not even 'normal' types of murders with the killer knowing the victim. They are out of the realm of what people can mentally cope with.


https://www.npr.org/2019/...nt-suicide

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2freaky4church1 said:

Another white thug. He actually did go postal.


That really isn't funny - at all.

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I haven´t read anything about this being a politically motivated assassination but judging by the names of the victims, they all seem to be of Latin or Afrian-American descent. Was the shooter a racist or did he just randomly kill people?

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Reply #16 posted 09/03/19 8:12am

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maplenpg said:

Agreed. And it must be really hard for the families to come to terms with the needlessness of it all. No-one alive to see the aftermath they created, or to face justice. Literally pure chance that they were unlucky enough to be in his path.

It did strike me that almost all the people in the article had a gofundme set up (not necessarily by themselves, but often by well-meaning friends, family etc...). I find that really sad on two counts. First that any person who has a loved one die in such an event should find themselves unable to afford medical care or funeral expenses, that money is forced to the forefront of their thoughts. And second that, is this the age we live in, where the victims families are held up for all the world to see rather than being left to grieve privately, all in the name of raising a few quid? I dunno, I just find it a bit unsettling. Good on the funeral company at the end offering free funerals for the victims, lets hope other industries such as florists pitch in too. Surely if Trump won't do anything about gun laws, he could at least create a fund to pay medical and funeral expenses for the victims of these needless crimes? Save them being paraded on social media.


A year or so before i left odessa for NYC, my brother snd sister in law had their first child, who died as labor began. He slipped into birthing position with the umbilical cord wrapped around his throat and died before anything could be done. We spent the next two days in mourning, but also in birth, an insanely hard experience especially for first time parents. The local funeral home, who also has offered free funerals to the 7 people killed in this tragedy took tremendous care of us. My mother, my brother and i threw ourselves at their mercy and they changed almost nothing. The go fund me for each of these victims will be more about keeping the families of the dead to get new cars to replace the ones the bullets tore through and the dead were killed in, and so on


Condolences to your family, that is a terrible thing to happen. Life really is so fleeting any way we look at it. rose

Sounds like that funeral home is very good to the community. Good point about the cars. I don't think go fund me is parading, the money is needed.


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maplenpg said:

Agreed. And it must be really hard for the families to come to terms with the needlessness of it all. No-one alive to see the aftermath they created, or to face justice. Literally pure chance that they were unlucky enough to be in his path.

It did strike me that almost all the people in the article had a gofundme set up (not necessarily by themselves, but often by well-meaning friends, family etc...). I find that really sad on two counts. First that any person who has a loved one die in such an event should find themselves unable to afford medical care or funeral expenses, that money is forced to the forefront of their thoughts. And second that, is this the age we live in, where the victims families are held up for all the world to see rather than being left to grieve privately, all in the name of raising a few quid? I dunno, I just find it a bit unsettling. Good on the funeral company at the end offering free funerals for the victims, lets hope other industries such as florists pitch in too. Surely if Trump won't do anything about gun laws, he could at least create a fund to pay medical and funeral expenses for the victims of these needless crimes? Save them being paraded on social media.

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A year or so before i left odessa for NYC, my brother snd sister in law had their first child, who died as labor began. He slipped into birthing position with the umbilical cord wrapped around his throat and died before anything could be done. We spent the next two days in mourning, but also in birth, an insanely hard experience especially for first time parents. The local funeral hole, who also has offered free funerals to the 7 people killed in this tragedy took tremendous care of us. My mother, my brother and i threw ourselves at their mercy and they changed almost nothing. The go fund me for each of these victims will be more about keeping the families of the dead to get new cars to replace the ones the bullets tore through and the dead were killed in, and so on

I'm really sorry to hear that, and I also think maybe I didn't word myself very well in my post. I'm not in any way saying that gofundme's should not be started, nor am I saying people should not donate. I guess I just saw it as a reflection of society when I read the article. Sometimes I really should keep my thoughts to myself.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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maplenpg said:

cborgman said:

maplenpg said: A year or so before i left odessa for NYC, my brother snd sister in law had their first child, who died as labor began. He slipped into birthing position with the umbilical cord wrapped around his throat and died before anything could be done. We spent the next two days in mourning, but also in birth, an insanely hard experience especially for first time parents. The local funeral hole, who also has offered free funerals to the 7 people killed in this tragedy took tremendous care of us. My mother, my brother and i threw ourselves at their mercy and they changed almost nothing. The go fund me for each of these victims will be more about keeping the families of the dead to get new cars to replace the ones the bullets tore through and the dead were killed in, and so on

I'm really sorry to hear that, and I also think maybe I didn't word myself very well in my post. I'm not in any way saying that gofundme's should not be started, nor am I saying people should not donate. I guess I just saw it as a reflection of society when I read the article. Sometimes I really should keep my thoughts to myself.


It's ok. I get it. I am very private -(never took to facebook etc)- which some of my friends and family think is old fashioned, and wack. I wish we could go back to when people had privacy and more dignity.

One thing I noticed where I live is - people do raise funds for other's hardship, even before social media became the only game in town. I thought it was strange at first, but realized that many extraordinary musicians working gig to gig have no financial safety net so they are always fundraising for each other (especially medical bills). They have to explain what's really going on and beat the bushes to get people to participate. You would not believe how many musicans and clubs throw benefits for each other here. Including funeral expenses. A lot of churches and social organizations do it too.

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poppys said:

maplenpg said:

I'm really sorry to hear that, and I also think maybe I didn't word myself very well in my post. I'm not in any way saying that gofundme's should not be started, nor am I saying people should not donate. I guess I just saw it as a reflection of society when I read the article. Sometimes I really should keep my thoughts to myself.


It's ok. I get it. I am very private -(never took to facebook etc)- which some of my friends and family think is old fashioned, and wack. I wish we could go back to when people had privacy and more dignity.

One thing I noticed where I live is - people do raise funds for other's hardship, even before social media became the only game in town. I thought it was strange at first, but realized that many extraordinary musicians working gig to gig have no financial safety net so they are always fundraising for each other (especially medical bills). They have to explain what's really going on and beat the bushes to get people to participate. You would not believe how many musicans and clubs throw benefits for each other here. Including funeral expenses. A lot of churches and social organizations do it too.

I guess we're lucky in the UK having the NHS, so medical expenses are not something we worry about. Anyway, I'm sorry my post took the thread off topic.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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