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Reply #60 posted 09/03/19 2:57pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.

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Look back: You never said reparations in this thread until today. I did not flip out at any mention of reparations.

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Why are you so reluctant to discuss the enslavement of Native Americans?

From the the very first reply I mentioned reparations. Why are you acting brand new like that’s not why you flipped out angrily. Why are you desperate not to make your views on reparations “blunt” or address why it caused you to flip out like you did in all these discussions about slavery that are currently happening? . [Edited 9/3/19 6:08am]

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Your first post (in full after your latest edits) said:

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the impact of slavery on the descendants of slavery from Africa and the impact of indentured labour on Asians and Europeans has played out dramatically after the end of feudalism and slavery.



In the u.s, Australia,Canada those from the african trans Atlantic slave trade and the indegenious populations made up the slave populations .
As a result at the end of feudalism and slavery descendents of slavery did not have capital like the indentured labourers to build a middle class in the former colonies.
The indentured labourers of Australia and u.s from Europe now make up the upper and middle classes.
The former slaves are the bottom as a result of slavery compared to the results of indentured labour.
The country I was born in Mauritius has a similar system. Indentured labourers from India’s lower castes now make up the upper classes in the society.
And the creole population of former slaves from the transatlantic slave trade still make up are the lower classes.

Indentured labour was undoubtedly bad, but it wasn’t slavery and the impact was huge as you can see in how it shaped the class /race dynamics today.



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This does not mention reparations at all.

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Even if it did, I did not flip out, I just corrected your errors and, as you never mentioned reparations, I never expressed a view on reparations.

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If you did mention reparations for Enslavement of Native Americans, I would heve expressed my support for compensation and correction for the long term damage done to enslaved people.

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Stop disrupting the thread to push your off-topic political agenda: The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.

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Reply #61 posted 09/03/19 3:20pm

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.


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Look back: You never said reparations in this thread until today. I did not flip out at any mention of reparations.


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Why are you so reluctant to discuss the enslavement of Native Americans?



From the the very first reply I mentioned reparations. Why are you acting brand new like that’s not why you flipped out angrily. Why are you desperate not to make your views on reparations “blunt” or address why it caused you to flip out like you did in all these discussions about slavery that are currently happening? . [Edited 9/3/19 6:08am]

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Your first post (in full after your latest edits) said:


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the impact of slavery on the descendants of slavery from Africa and the impact of indentured labour on Asians and Europeans has played out dramatically after the end of feudalism and slavery.



In the u.s, Australia,Canada those from the african trans Atlantic slave trade and the indegenious populations made up the slave populations .
As a result at the end of feudalism and slavery descendents of slavery did not have capital like the indentured labourers to build a middle class in the former colonies.
The indentured labourers of Australia and u.s from Europe now make up the upper and middle classes.
The former slaves are the bottom as a result of slavery compared to the results of indentured labour.
The country I was born in Mauritius has a similar system. Indentured labourers from India’s lower castes now make up the upper classes in the society.
And the creole population of former slaves from the transatlantic slave trade still make up are the lower classes.

Indentured labour was undoubtedly bad, but it wasn’t slavery and the impact was huge as you can see in how it shaped the class /race dynamics today.



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[Edited 8/28/19 22:07pm]


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This does not mention reparations at all.


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Even if it did, I did not flip out, I just corrected your errors and, as you never mentioned reparations, I never expressed a view on reparations.


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If you did mention reparations for Enslavement of Native Americans, I would heve expressed my support for compensation and correction for the long term damage done to enslaved people.


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Stop disrupting the thread to push your off-topic political agenda: The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.


Reply three makes a direct reference to the word “reparations”
That post above is unequivocally about reparations and why the argument and inference that indentured labour of Irish convicts in Australia and America is somehow comparable to the slavery and genocide of Australia and Americas indegenious populations.

Can I ask why it’s not ok for me to link indegenious Australians in this discussion but you see no contradiction in the fact you brought up indentured labour of British convicts in Australia in another discussion about slavery in America?
Why didn’t you start a new thread? Instead you used that same thread to downplay slavery in America by bringing up indentured labour of British convicts in Australia?
Why is it ok for descendants of slave owners in Australia and America to be united but not other people?
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #62 posted 09/03/19 3:43pm

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You have your own issue with Alice Springs.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #63 posted 09/03/19 3:45pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

You have your own issue with Alice Springs.

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Yes, amd more than this.

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Reply #64 posted 09/03/19 4:13pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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This does not mention reparations at all.

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Even if it did, I did not flip out, I just corrected your errors and, as you never mentioned reparations, I never expressed a view on reparations.

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If you did mention reparations for Enslavement of Native Americans, I would heve expressed my support for compensation and correction for the long term damage done to enslaved people.

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Stop disrupting the thread to push your off-topic political agenda: The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.

Reply three makes a direct reference to the word “reparations” That post above is unequivocally about reparations and why the argument and inference that indentured labour of Irish convicts in Australia and America is somehow comparable to the slavery and genocide of Australia and Americas indegenious populations. Can I ask why it’s not ok for me to link indegenious Australians in this discussion but you see no contradiction in the fact you brought up indentured labour of British convicts in Australia in another discussion about slavery in America? Why didn’t you start a new thread? Instead you used that same thread to downplay slavery in America by bringing up indentured labour of British convicts in Australia? Why is it ok for descendants of slave owners in Australia and America to be united but not other people?

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Reply three does not mention reparations. It mentions repatriation. These are two very different things. Repatriation of lost indigenous land is also important and this will add to their lost capital wealth. Land rights for Indigenous People is a separate issue to reparations - You never ever mentioned reparations until yesterday. You have not shown where I flipped out because I did not.

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I disussed that the loss of land is what lead to many Native Americans being forced into slavery by indentured servitude in reply #14. Indentured servitude is not convict slavery, but both are forms of slavery. Both forms of slavery have been imposed on Native Americans.

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Stop disrupting the thread to push your off-topic agenda: The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.

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Reply #65 posted 09/03/19 4:22pm

poppys

This thread is over. Maybe we shouldn't feed the troll.

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Reply #66 posted 09/03/19 5:29pm

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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This does not mention reparations at all.


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Even if it did, I did not flip out, I just corrected your errors and, as you never mentioned reparations, I never expressed a view on reparations.


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If you did mention reparations for Enslavement of Native Americans, I would heve expressed my support for compensation and correction for the long term damage done to enslaved people.


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Stop disrupting the thread to push your off-topic political agenda: The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.



Reply three makes a direct reference to the word “reparations” That post above is unequivocally about reparations and why the argument and inference that indentured labour of Irish convicts in Australia and America is somehow comparable to the slavery and genocide of Australia and Americas indegenious populations. Can I ask why it’s not ok for me to link indegenious Australians in this discussion but you see no contradiction in the fact you brought up indentured labour of British convicts in Australia in another discussion about slavery in America? Why didn’t you start a new thread? Instead you used that same thread to downplay slavery in America by bringing up indentured labour of British convicts in Australia? Why is it ok for descendants of slave owners in Australia and America to be united but not other people?

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Reply three does not mention reparations. It mentions repatriation. These are two very different things. Repatriation of lost indigenous land is also important and this will add to their lost capital wealth. Land rights for Indigenous People is a separate issue to reparations - You never ever mentioned reparations until yesterday. You have not shown where I flipped out because I did not.


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I disussed that the loss of land is what lead to many Native Americans being forced into slavery by indentured servitude in reply #14. Indentured servitude is not convict slavery, but both are forms of slavery. Both forms of slavery have been imposed on Native Americans.


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Stop disrupting the thread to push your off-topic agenda: The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.



Your comment was racist and insensitive.
You didn’t have to enter a discussion about slavery and say “what about the Irish”
Just trash
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #67 posted 09/03/19 5:32pm

hausofmoi7

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poppys said:

This thread is over. Maybe we shouldn't feed the troll.


Troll?
Well aleast it’s better than the trash and neo liberal garbage you spill that is always unbelievably vapid.



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Reply #68 posted 09/03/19 5:35pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

You have your own issue with Alice Springs.



2freaky4church1 said:

You have your own issue with Alice Springs.


Yes, but even though im a queer POC/immigrant in Australia doesn’t mean I’m going to turn around in a discussion about Yemen being bombed or people living under occupation, or the treatment of indegenious Australia and indegenious America which experience some of the worst conditions currently globally of any group of people.
I don’t feel the need to downplay what is happening to them by falsely comparing my situation to theirs in an attempt to minimise their rightful claim by falsely claiming my situation and circumstance is worst than theirs.


The same way the concerns and issues middle class/poor whites in western societies have with capitalism is a valid one, a claim which is not invalidated by acknowledging slavery and class/race system it created or the privileges that system has created as a result.


Freaky, we can still be allies and work together, you didn’t have to throw us under the bus like that to appeal to the white neo-liberal Hillary Clinton crew on this site.
These people have the same disdain and fake love for black and brown like Hillary Clinton types.
It’s lip service to win our support/vote which they can’t without.
Note Ian has gone silent about revealing his anti-reparations position.
Just like he ignored and refused to post the article where he falsely claimed Nicholas Maduro is a dictator so he could defend Australia’s elites stealing Venezuela’s resources like they do Australia’s resources which funds Ian’s privilege.
Or when he defended Australia’s military arm sales to Yemen as “national security”
It’s all lies to protect capitalism and white supremacy.
And now he is trying to downplay chattel slavery.




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[Edited 9/3/19 18:00pm]
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Reply #69 posted 09/03/19 5:55pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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Reply three does not mention reparations. It mentions repatriation. These are two very different things. Repatriation of lost indigenous land is also important and this will add to their lost capital wealth. Land rights for Indigenous People is a separate issue to reparations - You never ever mentioned reparations until yesterday. You have not shown where I flipped out because I did not.

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I disussed that the loss of land is what lead to many Native Americans being forced into slavery by indentured servitude in reply #14. Indentured servitude is not convict slavery, but both are forms of slavery. Both forms of slavery have been imposed on Native Americans.

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Stop disrupting the thread to push your off-topic agenda: The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans.

Your comment was racist and insensitive. You didn’t have to enter a discussion about slavery and say “what about the Irish” Just trash

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Stop trolling. There is absolutely nothing racist or insensitive about pointing out that the topic is Enslavement of Native Americans.

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Hiding your factual errors behind false accusations of racism and insensitivity is a poor tactic that fools no one.

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Reply #70 posted 09/03/19 6:08pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

You have your own issue with Alice Springs.

2freaky4church1 said:

You have your own issue with Alice Springs.

Yes, but even though im a queer POC/immigrant in Australia doesn’t mean I’m going to turn around in a discussion about Yemen being bombed or people living under occupation, or the treatment of indegenious Australia and indegenious America which experience some of the worst conditions currently globally of any group of people. I don’t feel the need to downplay what is happening to them by falsely comparing my situation to theirs in an attempt to minimise their rightful claim by falsely claiming my situation and circumstance is worst than theirs. The same way the concerns and issues middle class/poor whites in western societies have with capitalism is a valid one, a claim which is not invalidated by acknowledging slavery and class/race system it created or the privileges that system has created as a result. Freaky, we can still be allies and work together, you didn’t have to throw us under the bus like that to appeal to the white neo-liberal Hillary Clinton crew on this site. These people have the same disdain and fake love for black and brown like Hillary Clinton. It’s lip service to win our support. Note Ian has gone silent about revealing his anti-reparations position. Just like he ignored and refused to post the article where he falsely claimed Nicholas Maduro is a dictator just so Australia’s elites can steal Venezuela’s resources like they do Australia’s resources. Or when he defended Australia’s military arm sales to Yemen as “national security” It’s all lies to protect capitalism and white supremacy . . [Edited 9/3/19 17:55pm]

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The topic is not reparations - No one was talking about this until you first added this yesterday after being repeatedly told it is about the Enslavement of Native Americans. You imagine I am against reparations and repatriation of lost land to Native people, but I never said this. If you need to make things up to push your political agenda, your cause is lost by your actions.

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It is not about your false memories of previous discussions where you have also not been able to discuss the topic of those threads. There are no Australian companies stealing Venzuelan resources and I am not aware of any Australian arms sales to Yemen.

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Stop trolling

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Reply #71 posted 09/03/19 6:53pm

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


2freaky4church1 said:

You have your own issue with Alice Springs.



2freaky4church1 said:

You have your own issue with Alice Springs.



Yes, but even though im a queer POC/immigrant in Australia doesn’t mean I’m going to turn around in a discussion about Yemen being bombed or people living under occupation, or the treatment of indegenious Australia and indegenious America which experience some of the worst conditions currently globally of any group of people. I don’t feel the need to downplay what is happening to them by falsely comparing my situation to theirs in an attempt to minimise their rightful claim by falsely claiming my situation and circumstance is worst than theirs. The same way the concerns and issues middle class/poor whites in western societies have with capitalism is a valid one, a claim which is not invalidated by acknowledging slavery and class/race system it created or the privileges that system has created as a result. Freaky, we can still be allies and work together, you didn’t have to throw us under the bus like that to appeal to the white neo-liberal Hillary Clinton crew on this site. These people have the same disdain and fake love for black and brown like Hillary Clinton. It’s lip service to win our support. Note Ian has gone silent about revealing his anti-reparations position. Just like he ignored and refused to post the article where he falsely claimed Nicholas Maduro is a dictator just so Australia’s elites can steal Venezuela’s resources like they do Australia’s resources. Or when he defended Australia’s military arm sales to Yemen as “national security” It’s all lies to protect capitalism and white supremacy . . [Edited 9/3/19 17:55pm]

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The topic is not reparations - No one was talking about this until you first added this yesterday after being repeatedly told it is about the Enslavement of Native Americans. You imagine I am against reparations and repatriation of lost land to Native people, but I never said this. If you need to make things up to push your political agenda, your cause is lost by your actions.


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It is not about your false memories of previous discussions where you have also not been able to discuss the topic of those threads. There are no Australian companies stealing Venzuelan resources and I am not aware of any Australian arms sales to Yemen.


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Stop trolling



What are your views on reparations then?

You lie unbelievably, not confused just unequivocal lies.
You claim you didn’t know anything about Australia’s arms sales?

You are always lying.
You don’t about Australia’s weapons used in the Middle East?
Really?

You made excuse for Australia selling weapons and claimed you know nothing about it.
You are always caught out lying
You called Saudi Arabia’s attack on yemen and Australia selling weapons as an unfortunate reality because Saudi Arabia needed defending against Yemen.
You justified the genocide as self defence.
I thought you said you didn’t know about this?



http://margolin.us/msg/105/457037?pr

Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is.



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Reply #72 posted 09/03/19 8:35pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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The topic is not reparations - No one was talking about this until you first added this yesterday after being repeatedly told it is about the Enslavement of Native Americans. You imagine I am against reparations and repatriation of lost land to Native people, but I never said this. If you need to make things up to push your political agenda, your cause is lost by your actions.

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It is not about your false memories of previous discussions where you have also not been able to discuss the topic of those threads. There are no Australian companies stealing Venzuelan resources and I am not aware of any Australian arms sales to Yemen.

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Stop trolling

What are your views on reparations then? You lie unbelievably, not confused just unequivocal lies. You claim you didn’t know anything about Australia’s arms sales? You are always lying. You don’t about Australia’s weapons used in the Middle East? Really? You made excuse for Australia selling weapons and claimed you know nothing about it. You are always caught out lying You called Saudi Arabia’s attack on yemen and Australia selling weapons as an unfortunate reality because Saudi Arabia needed defending against Yemen. You justified the genocide as self defence. I thought you said you didn’t know about this? http://margolin.us/msg/105/457037?pr Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is. . [Edited 9/3/19 18:59pm]

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In regards to the topic, I am all for reparations to overcome lasting impacts caused by the Enslavement of Native Americans.

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On your reluctance to contribute to the topic evidenced by your ongoing distractions from the topic - Other than the false accusations, you have confirmed that you are basing things on false memories. Nothing in the old thread you dredged up says anything about the sales of arms to Yemen by Australia. Nothing I said in that thread is that sales of arms to Yemen are necessary for Australia's national securuty or the other false accusations. Thank for proving me fully correct despite your false and vile accusations to the contrary.

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However, as ever, you are way off-topic and factually wrong.

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Stop being a troll - the topic is the Enslavement of Native Americans.

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Reply #73 posted 09/04/19 1:24am

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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The topic is not reparations - No one was talking about this until you first added this yesterday after being repeatedly told it is about the Enslavement of Native Americans. You imagine I am against reparations and repatriation of lost land to Native people, but I never said this. If you need to make things up to push your political agenda, your cause is lost by your actions.


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It is not about your false memories of previous discussions where you have also not been able to discuss the topic of those threads. There are no Australian companies stealing Venzuelan resources and I am not aware of any Australian arms sales to Yemen.


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Stop trolling



What are your views on reparations then? You lie unbelievably, not confused just unequivocal lies. You claim you didn’t know anything about Australia’s arms sales? You are always lying. You don’t about Australia’s weapons used in the Middle East? Really? You made excuse for Australia selling weapons and claimed you know nothing about it. You are always caught out lying You called Saudi Arabia’s attack on yemen and Australia selling weapons as an unfortunate reality because Saudi Arabia needed defending against Yemen. You justified the genocide as self defence. I thought you said you didn’t know about this? http://margolin.us/msg/105/457037?pr Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is. . [Edited 9/3/19 18:59pm]

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In regards to the topic, I am all for reparations to overcome lasting impacts caused by the Enslavement of Native Americans.


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On your reluctance to contribute to the topic evidenced by your ongoing distractions from the topic - Other than the false accusations, you have confirmed that you are basing things on false memories. Nothing in the old thread you dredged up says anything about the sales of arms to Yemen by Australia. Nothing I said in that thread is that sales of arms to Yemen are necessary for Australia's national securuty or the other false accusations. Thank for proving me fully correct despite your false and vile accusations to the contrary.


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However, as ever, you are way off-topic and factually wrong.


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Stop being a troll - the topic is the Enslavement of Native Americans.

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Is this a joke?
Australia sold weapons to Saudi Arabia that were used against Yemen.
Stop acting like you are confused and thought Yemen bombed Saudi Arabia.
When everyone including yourself knew it was the other way around you said it was unfortunate.
Then you claimed I never said reparations because my spelling was slightly off.
You are an outright liar, wow.
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Reply #74 posted 09/04/19 1:29am

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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The topic is not reparations - No one was talking about this until you first added this yesterday after being repeatedly told it is about the Enslavement of Native Americans. You imagine I am against reparations and repatriation of lost land to Native people, but I never said this. If you need to make things up to push your political agenda, your cause is lost by your actions.


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It is not about your false memories of previous discussions where you have also not been able to discuss the topic of those threads. There are no Australian companies stealing Venzuelan resources and I am not aware of any Australian arms sales to Yemen.


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Stop trolling



What are your views on reparations then? You lie unbelievably, not confused just unequivocal lies. You claim you didn’t know anything about Australia’s arms sales? You are always lying. You don’t about Australia’s weapons used in the Middle East? Really? You made excuse for Australia selling weapons and claimed you know nothing about it. You are always caught out lying You called Saudi Arabia’s attack on yemen and Australia selling weapons as an unfortunate reality because Saudi Arabia needed defending against Yemen. You justified the genocide as self defence. I thought you said you didn’t know about this? http://margolin.us/msg/105/457037?pr Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is. . [Edited 9/3/19 18:59pm]

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In regards to the topic, I am all for reparations to overcome lasting impacts caused by the Enslavement of Native Americans.


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On your reluctance to contribute to the topic evidenced by your ongoing distractions from the topic - Other than the false accusations, you have confirmed that you are basing things on false memories. Nothing in the old thread you dredged up says anything about the sales of arms to Yemen by Australia. Nothing I said in that thread is that sales of arms to Yemen are necessary for Australia's national securuty or the other false accusations. Thank for proving me fully correct despite your false and vile accusations to the contrary.


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However, as ever, you are way off-topic and factually wrong.


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Stop being a troll - the topic is the Enslavement of Native Americans.

[Edited 9/3/19 20:45pm]


Awesome you support reparations for native Americans and Australians.
That is all, the rest of your crap at the moment is irrelevant.
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Reply #75 posted 09/04/19 1:50am

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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The topic is not reparations - No one was talking about this until you first added this yesterday after being repeatedly told it is about the Enslavement of Native Americans. You imagine I am against reparations and repatriation of lost land to Native people, but I never said this. If you need to make things up to push your political agenda, your cause is lost by your actions.


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It is not about your false memories of previous discussions where you have also not been able to discuss the topic of those threads. There are no Australian companies stealing Venzuelan resources and I am not aware of any Australian arms sales to Yemen.


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Stop trolling



What are your views on reparations then? You lie unbelievably, not confused just unequivocal lies. You claim you didn’t know anything about Australia’s arms sales? You are always lying. You don’t about Australia’s weapons used in the Middle East? Really? You made excuse for Australia selling weapons and claimed you know nothing about it. You are always caught out lying You called Saudi Arabia’s attack on yemen and Australia selling weapons as an unfortunate reality because Saudi Arabia needed defending against Yemen. You justified the genocide as self defence. I thought you said you didn’t know about this? http://margolin.us/msg/105/457037?pr Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is. . [Edited 9/3/19 18:59pm]

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In regards to the topic, I am all for reparations to overcome lasting impacts caused by the Enslavement of Native Americans.


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On your reluctance to contribute to the topic evidenced by your ongoing distractions from the topic - Other than the false accusations, you have confirmed that you are basing things on false memories. Nothing in the old thread you dredged up says anything about the sales of arms to Yemen by Australia. Nothing I said in that thread is that sales of arms to Yemen are necessary for Australia's national securuty or the other false accusations. Thank for proving me fully correct despite your false and vile accusations to the contrary.


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However, as ever, you are way off-topic and factually wrong.


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Stop being a troll - the topic is the Enslavement of Native Americans.

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You didn’t know about sales to “Yemen” when you are aware what was meant was arms used against Yemen.
Yemen basics has no army.
They are being killed because Saudi Arabia has money and Australia has FANTA.

Australia tried to mask their arms sales to Yemen by putting a racist gay man (Chris Pyne) as the face of the military.

They put Chris Pyne as the face of the military because of the stereotype and quite frankly absolutely false notion that Muslims are anti-lgbt.
From my experience as I live and grew up in an area with one of the largest Muslim communities that it’s untrue.
In fact there is unchecked racism in the LGBT community, actual racism unlike the lie about Muslims and LGBT people. everyone thinks it “cute and camp” for gay men to be racist or to be dropping bombs on poor Muslims in Yemen because rich Muslims in Saudi Arabia paid them too.
LGBT movement is a white male middle class movement, it’s the new face of white supremacy.

Sick.

Anyway I’m now going slightly off topic.
You support reparations starting with indegenious Australia and should spread all the way to Yemen.
It’s a start.




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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #76 posted 09/04/19 2:11am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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In regards to the topic, I am all for reparations to overcome lasting impacts caused by the Enslavement of Native Americans.

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On your reluctance to contribute to the topic evidenced by your ongoing distractions from the topic - Other than the false accusations, you have confirmed that you are basing things on false memories. Nothing in the old thread you dredged up says anything about the sales of arms to Yemen by Australia. Nothing I said in that thread is that sales of arms to Yemen are necessary for Australia's national securuty or the other false accusations. Thank for proving me fully correct despite your false and vile accusations to the contrary.

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However, as ever, you are way off-topic and factually wrong.

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Stop being a troll - the topic is the Enslavement of Native Americans.

[Edited 9/3/19 20:45pm]

Is this a joke? Australia sold weapons to Saudi Arabia that were used against Yemen. Stop acting like you are confused and thought Yemen bombed Saudi Arabia. When everyone including yourself knew it was the other way around you said it was unfortunate. Then you claimed I never said reparations because my spelling was slightly off. You are an outright liar, wow.

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The topic is enslavement of Native Americans not your inability to understand English so, instead, you make vile false accusations.

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You said I said, and I quote, I "defended Australia’s military arm sales to Yemen as “national security”. Saudi Arabia is not Yemen and Australia never sold arms to Saudi Arabia - it sold equipment that was confirmed as not used by Saudi Arabia in Yemen.

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You are wrong in many ways:

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1 There were no sales to Yemen - Instead Australia complained about the Saudi actions and gave international aid to Yemen and stated that they demanded no Australian equipment ever be used by Saudi Arabia in its conflict with Yemen.

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2 Australia makes virtually no arms that are sold to anyone. Arms are what is required to inflict death and damage. Australia's military sales are generally military equipment not arms. Saudi Arabia gets it arms (weapons) from its own build, the USA, UK and Europe, not Australia.

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3 The above means no genocide is promoted by Australia.

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4 I never said anything about national security because there is nothing in Australia's national security that relies on Saudi Arabia.

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5 You deliberately edited my quote to make it appear to say something I never said. I said, and I quote in full:

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Now, in a thread about Scandinavia, Canada and Venezuela, you continue to revert to form and post irrelevent news articles about a completely different country (So much for not wanting to go in circles! That tail you are chasing is your own). Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is. The buyers of defence equipment from Australia outside of the Middle East and US and perhaps the UK are buyers who almost exclusively buy these for defensive reasons only. The majority of Australian equipment is defensive (Nulka anti-missile decoys), transport (Old planes and helicopters), training (training services, old planes), support or components (Electronics, parts for planes etc). Only a little of it is offensive strike weaponry (Small arms). Would I prefer that this industry was not necessary - Absolutely.

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This confirms everything I said and shows the lie in your misrepresentation of this. Nothing in this defends Saudi Arabia's or Iran's violence in Yemen. Nothing in it defends arms sales to countries being the aggressor by attacking other countries. Nothing in this supports any attempted genicide. It merely recognises that in an ideal world no one would need defensive military equipment, but unfortunately this is not possible in real world. Recognising the need for defense is not accepting violent attacks against other countries.

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5 Repatriation is not just your spelling being slightly off - it is a different word and, more importantly, a different issue being about resources taken, especially land taken for things like mining - Just as you said in reply#3. It also shows your lies. You said I flipped out about reparations. I never did. I did not flip out. Plus the post where I pointed out your factual errors was Reply#2. Your comment about repatriation of resources taken was in Reply#3. If you are to be believed, I knew you meant a different concept from what you said and described and I flipped out about it before you even said it!!!! This is not just wrong, it is simply not possible.

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Stop trolling.

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Stop damaging the left with your obsessive attacks. You are supporting the far right by how they are laughing at your feeble attempts to attack a left wing person just because he is not as far left wing as you.

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Stop avoiding the topic to yet again seek to change it to anything else. Increased recognition of the enslavement of Native Americans is important because it is largely ignored as a result of the scale of the enslavement of people from African nations in the US.

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Stop seeking to falsely accuse people just because they have shown your factual errors.

[Edited 9/4/19 2:23am]

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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In regards to the topic, I am all for reparations to overcome lasting impacts caused by the Enslavement of Native Americans.


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On your reluctance to contribute to the topic evidenced by your ongoing distractions from the topic - Other than the false accusations, you have confirmed that you are basing things on false memories. Nothing in the old thread you dredged up says anything about the sales of arms to Yemen by Australia. Nothing I said in that thread is that sales of arms to Yemen are necessary for Australia's national securuty or the other false accusations. Thank for proving me fully correct despite your false and vile accusations to the contrary.


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However, as ever, you are way off-topic and factually wrong.


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Stop being a troll - the topic is the Enslavement of Native Americans.


[Edited 9/3/19 20:45pm]



Is this a joke? Australia sold weapons to Saudi Arabia that were used against Yemen. Stop acting like you are confused and thought Yemen bombed Saudi Arabia. When everyone including yourself knew it was the other way around you said it was unfortunate. Then you claimed I never said reparations because my spelling was slightly off. You are an outright liar, wow.

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The topic is enslavement of Native Americans not your inability to understand English and make vile false accusations.


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You said I said, and I quote, I "defended Australia’s military arm sales to Yemen as “national security”. Saudi Arabia is not Yemen and Australia never sold arms to Arabia - it sold equipment that was confirmed as not used by Saudi Arabia in Yemen.


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You are wrong in many ways:


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1 There were no sales to Yemen - Instead Australia complained about the Saudi actions and gave international aid to Yemen and stated that they demanded no Australian equipment ever be used by Saudi Arabia in its conflict with Yemen.


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2 Australia makes virtually no arms that are sold to anyone. Arms are what is required to inflict death and damage. Australia's military sales are generally military equipment not arms. Saudi Arabia gets it arms and weapons from its own build, the USA, UK and Europe, not Australia.


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3 The above means no genocide is promoted by Australia.


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4 I never said anything about national security because there is nothing in Australia's national security that relies on Saudi Arabia.


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5 You deliberately edited my quote to make it appear to say something I never said. I said, and I quote in full:


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Now, in a thread about Scandinavia, Canada and Venezuela, you continue to revert to form and post irrelevent news articles about a completely different country (So much for not wanting to go in circles! That tail you are chasing is your own). Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is. The buyers of defence equipment from Australia outside of the Middle East and US and perhaps the UK are buyers who almost exclusively buy these for defensive reasons only. The majority of Australian equipment is defensive (Nulka anti-missile decoys), transport (Old planes and helicopters), training (training services, old planes), support or components (Electronics, parts for planes etc). Only a little of it is offensive strike weaponry (Small arms). Would I prefer that this industry was not necessary - Absolutely.


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This confirms everything I said and shows the lie in your misrepresentation of this. Nothing in this defends Saudi Arabia's or Iran's violence in Yemen. Nothing in it defends arms sales to countries being the aggressor by attacking other countries. Nothing in this supports any attempted genicide. It merely recognises that in an ideal world no one would need defensive military equipment, but unfortunately this is not possible in real world. Recognising the need for defense is not accepting violent attacks against other countries.


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5 Repatriation is not just your spelling being slightly off - it is a different word and, more importantly, a different issue being about resources taken, especially land taken for things like mining - as you said in reply#3. It also shows your lies. You said I flipped out about reparations. I never did. I did not flip out. Plus the post where I pointed out your factual errors was Reply#2. Your comment about repatriation of resources taken was in Reply#3. If you are to be believed, I knew you meant a different concept from what you said and described and I flipped out about it before you said it!!!! This is not just wrong, it is simply not possible.


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Stop trolling.


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Stop damaging the left with your obsessive attacks. You are supporting the far right by how they are laughing at you feeble attempts to attack a left wing person just because he is not as far left wing as you.


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Stop avoiding the topic to yet again seek to change it to anything else. Increased recognition of the enslavement of Native Americans is important because it is largely ignored as a result of the scale of the enslavement of people from African nations in the US.


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Stop seeking to falsely accuse people just because they have shown your factual errors.


You defended arms sales to Saudi Arabia as an unfortunate reality.
Australia is a top arms sales provider and is expanding.
Australian Government under fire over export of weapons system to war crime-accused Saudi Arabia

https://www.google.com.au...e/10825660

If you lie I’m going to call you out.
Just because you are left wing is no excuse.
Left and right are labels, actions are important.
Just because you paint a rainbow flag on the side of bomb doesn’t make you “left wing” it makes you an asshole, regardless of your race, gender, political beliefs or sexuality.




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Reply #78 posted 09/04/19 2:24am

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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In regards to the topic, I am all for reparations to overcome lasting impacts caused by the Enslavement of Native Americans.


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On your reluctance to contribute to the topic evidenced by your ongoing distractions from the topic - Other than the false accusations, you have confirmed that you are basing things on false memories. Nothing in the old thread you dredged up says anything about the sales of arms to Yemen by Australia. Nothing I said in that thread is that sales of arms to Yemen are necessary for Australia's national securuty or the other false accusations. Thank for proving me fully correct despite your false and vile accusations to the contrary.


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However, as ever, you are way off-topic and factually wrong.


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Stop being a troll - the topic is the Enslavement of Native Americans.


[Edited 9/3/19 20:45pm]



Is this a joke? Australia sold weapons to Saudi Arabia that were used against Yemen. Stop acting like you are confused and thought Yemen bombed Saudi Arabia. When everyone including yourself knew it was the other way around you said it was unfortunate. Then you claimed I never said reparations because my spelling was slightly off. You are an outright liar, wow.

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The topic is enslavement of Native Americans not your inability to understand English and make vile false accusations.


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You said I said, and I quote, I "defended Australia’s military arm sales to Yemen as “national security”. Saudi Arabia is not Yemen and Australia never sold arms to Arabia - it sold equipment that was confirmed as not used by Saudi Arabia in Yemen.


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You are wrong in many ways:


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1 There were no sales to Yemen - Instead Australia complained about the Saudi actions and gave international aid to Yemen and stated that they demanded no Australian equipment ever be used by Saudi Arabia in its conflict with Yemen.


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2 Australia makes virtually no arms that are sold to anyone. Arms are what is required to inflict death and damage. Australia's military sales are generally military equipment not arms. Saudi Arabia gets it arms and weapons from its own build, the USA, UK and Europe, not Australia.


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3 The above means no genocide is promoted by Australia.


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4 I never said anything about national security because there is nothing in Australia's national security that relies on Saudi Arabia.


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5 You deliberately edited my quote to make it appear to say something I never said. I said, and I quote in full:


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Now, in a thread about Scandinavia, Canada and Venezuela, you continue to revert to form and post irrelevent news articles about a completely different country (So much for not wanting to go in circles! That tail you are chasing is your own). Did you notice that the articles are 10 and 12 months old and refer to the previous Prime Minister and Defence Minister? But what do the articles say? The first one is about defence equipment sales. In a perfect world there would be no need for defence equipment, but there is. The buyers of defence equipment from Australia outside of the Middle East and US and perhaps the UK are buyers who almost exclusively buy these for defensive reasons only. The majority of Australian equipment is defensive (Nulka anti-missile decoys), transport (Old planes and helicopters), training (training services, old planes), support or components (Electronics, parts for planes etc). Only a little of it is offensive strike weaponry (Small arms). Would I prefer that this industry was not necessary - Absolutely.


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This confirms everything I said and shows the lie in your misrepresentation of this. Nothing in this defends Saudi Arabia's or Iran's violence in Yemen. Nothing in it defends arms sales to countries being the aggressor by attacking other countries. Nothing in this supports any attempted genicide. It merely recognises that in an ideal world no one would need defensive military equipment, but unfortunately this is not possible in real world. Recognising the need for defense is not accepting violent attacks against other countries.


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5 Repatriation is not just your spelling being slightly off - it is a different word and, more importantly, a different issue being about resources taken, especially land taken for things like mining - as you said in reply#3. It also shows your lies. You said I flipped out about reparations. I never did. I did not flip out. Plus the post where I pointed out your factual errors was Reply#2. Your comment about repatriation of resources taken was in Reply#3. If you are to be believed, I knew you meant a different concept from what you said and described and I flipped out about it before you said it!!!! This is not just wrong, it is simply not possible.


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Stop trolling.


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Stop damaging the left with your obsessive attacks. You are supporting the far right by how they are laughing at you feeble attempts to attack a left wing person just because he is not as far left wing as you.


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Stop avoiding the topic to yet again seek to change it to anything else. Increased recognition of the enslavement of Native Americans is important because it is largely ignored as a result of the scale of the enslavement of people from African nations in the US.


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Stop seeking to falsely accuse people just because they have shown your factual errors.



Descendants of slavery from Africa stand in alliance with indegenious slaves.
Together we are strong.
Reparations discussion should include indegenious populations of Australia and America also.




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[Edited 9/4/19 2:28am]
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #79 posted 09/04/19 2:47am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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This confirms everything I said and shows the lie in your misrepresentation of this. Nothing in this defends Saudi Arabia's or Iran's violence in Yemen. Nothing in it defends arms sales to countries being the aggressor by attacking other countries. Nothing in this supports any attempted genicide. It merely recognises that in an ideal world no one would need defensive military equipment, but unfortunately this is not possible in real world. Recognising the need for defense is not accepting violent attacks against other countries.

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5 Repatriation is not just your spelling being slightly off - it is a different word and, more importantly, a different issue being about resources taken, especially land taken for things like mining - as you said in reply#3. It also shows your lies. You said I flipped out about reparations. I never did. I did not flip out. Plus the post where I pointed out your factual errors was Reply#2. Your comment about repatriation of resources taken was in Reply#3. If you are to be believed, I knew you meant a different concept from what you said and described and I flipped out about it before you said it!!!! This is not just wrong, it is simply not possible.

.

Stop trolling.

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Stop damaging the left with your obsessive attacks. You are supporting the far right by how they are laughing at you feeble attempts to attack a left wing person just because he is not as far left wing as you.

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Stop avoiding the topic to yet again seek to change it to anything else. Increased recognition of the enslavement of Native Americans is important because it is largely ignored as a result of the scale of the enslavement of people from African nations in the US.

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Stop seeking to falsely accuse people just because they have shown your factual errors.

You defended arms sales to Saudi Arabia as an unfortunate reality. Australia is a top arms sales provider and is expanding. Australian Government under fire over export of weapons system to war crime-accused Saudi Arabia https://www.google.com.au...e/10825660 If you lie I’m going to call you out. Just because you are left wing is no excuse. Left and right are labels, actions are important. Just because you paint a rainbow flag on the side of bomb doesn’t make you “left wing” it makes you an asshole, regardless of your race, gender, political beliefs or sexuality. .

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The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans. Stop trolling and making things up to falsely accuse people.

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Now you are linking to a Feb 2019 article when the old thread you dredged up and edited to make it appear to say something I never said was in October 2018 and it was about articles that were already around a year old then. This is the second time you have accused me of responding to things that had not happened yet. According to you I flipped out in Reply#2 to what you meant but did not say in Reply#3. Now, instead of me actually responding to articles from 2017, I, in 2018 was responding to an article in 2019!!!!! Again, this is not just wrong, it is simply not possible.

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If you lie, I am calling you out - You are called out for lying based on facts, not on the fictions you make up about me.

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Reply #80 posted 09/04/19 2:53am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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This confirms everything I said and shows the lie in your misrepresentation of this. Nothing in this defends Saudi Arabia's or Iran's violence in Yemen. Nothing in it defends arms sales to countries being the aggressor by attacking other countries. Nothing in this supports any attempted genicide. It merely recognises that in an ideal world no one would need defensive military equipment, but unfortunately this is not possible in real world. Recognising the need for defense is not accepting violent attacks against other countries.

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5 Repatriation is not just your spelling being slightly off - it is a different word and, more importantly, a different issue being about resources taken, especially land taken for things like mining - as you said in reply#3. It also shows your lies. You said I flipped out about reparations. I never did. I did not flip out. Plus the post where I pointed out your factual errors was Reply#2. Your comment about repatriation of resources taken was in Reply#3. If you are to be believed, I knew you meant a different concept from what you said and described and I flipped out about it before you said it!!!! This is not just wrong, it is simply not possible.

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Stop trolling.

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Stop damaging the left with your obsessive attacks. You are supporting the far right by how they are laughing at you feeble attempts to attack a left wing person just because he is not as far left wing as you.

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Stop avoiding the topic to yet again seek to change it to anything else. Increased recognition of the enslavement of Native Americans is important because it is largely ignored as a result of the scale of the enslavement of people from African nations in the US.

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Stop seeking to falsely accuse people just because they have shown your factual errors.

Descendants of slavery from Africa stand in alliance with indegenious slaves. Together we are strong. Reparations discussion should include indegenious populations of Australia and America also. . [Edited 9/4/19 2:28am]

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Descendents of slavery from Africa should stand in alliance with enslaved Native Americans and this does make them strong. Unfortunatelty, your constant deflections, false accusations and lies mean you are not one those making them strong.

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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This confirms everything I said and shows the lie in your misrepresentation of this. Nothing in this defends Saudi Arabia's or Iran's violence in Yemen. Nothing in it defends arms sales to countries being the aggressor by attacking other countries. Nothing in this supports any attempted genicide. It merely recognises that in an ideal world no one would need defensive military equipment, but unfortunately this is not possible in real world. Recognising the need for defense is not accepting violent attacks against other countries.


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5 Repatriation is not just your spelling being slightly off - it is a different word and, more importantly, a different issue being about resources taken, especially land taken for things like mining - as you said in reply#3. It also shows your lies. You said I flipped out about reparations. I never did. I did not flip out. Plus the post where I pointed out your factual errors was Reply#2. Your comment about repatriation of resources taken was in Reply#3. If you are to be believed, I knew you meant a different concept from what you said and described and I flipped out about it before you said it!!!! This is not just wrong, it is simply not possible.


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Stop trolling.


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Stop damaging the left with your obsessive attacks. You are supporting the far right by how they are laughing at you feeble attempts to attack a left wing person just because he is not as far left wing as you.


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Stop avoiding the topic to yet again seek to change it to anything else. Increased recognition of the enslavement of Native Americans is important because it is largely ignored as a result of the scale of the enslavement of people from African nations in the US.


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Stop seeking to falsely accuse people just because they have shown your factual errors.



Descendants of slavery from Africa stand in alliance with indegenious slaves. Together we are strong. Reparations discussion should include indegenious populations of Australia and America also. . [Edited 9/4/19 2:28am]

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Descendents of slavery from Africa should stand in alliance with enslaved Native Americans and this does make them strong. Unfortunatelty, your constant deflections, false accusations and lies mean you are not one those making them strong.


The neo-liberal left are gatekeepers for the right wing.
White supremacy is deep.
Chris Pyne, the Labour Party and Trump united against poor black and brown people around the world.
But Chris Pyne is gay so that makes everything ok I guess.

I’m not inspired or moved by Xhris Pine dropping bombs on the Middle East or sanctioning Venezuela just because he’s gay.
Being LGBT doesn’t make you a good or bad person.
But that how our society works, LGBT movement is automatically infallible.
It has been highjacked by white supremacy and western imperialism.
LGBT movement also slander the indegenious community as homophobic to justify racism and oppression.
Another false stereotype to justify white male domination globally.






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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #82 posted 09/04/19 3:14am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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Descendents of slavery from Africa should stand in alliance with enslaved Native Americans and this does make them strong. Unfortunatelty, your constant deflections, false accusations and lies mean you are not one those making them strong.

The neo-liberal left are gatekeepers for the right wing. White supremacy is deep. Chris Pyne, the Labour Party and Trump united against poor black and brown people around the world. But Chris Pyne is gay so that makes everything ok I guess. I’m not inspired or moved by Xhris Pine dropping bombs on the Middle East or sanctioning Venezuela just because he’s gay. Being LGBT doesn’t make you a good or bad person. But that how our society works, LGBT movement is automatically infallible. It has been highjacked by white supremacy and western imperialism. LGBT movement also slander the indegenious community as homophobic to justify racism and oppression. Another false stereotype to justify white male domination globally. . [Edited 9/4/19 3:09am]

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This has nothing to do with the topic. The topic is about the enslavement of Native Americans. it is not about your political bias. Stop being part of the problem and seek to be part of the solution .

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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Descendents of slavery from Africa should stand in alliance with enslaved Native Americans and this does make them strong. Unfortunatelty, your constant deflections, false accusations and lies mean you are not one those making them strong.



The neo-liberal left are gatekeepers for the right wing. White supremacy is deep. Chris Pyne, the Labour Party and Trump united against poor black and brown people around the world. But Chris Pyne is gay so that makes everything ok I guess. I’m not inspired or moved by Xhris Pine dropping bombs on the Middle East or sanctioning Venezuela just because he’s gay. Being LGBT doesn’t make you a good or bad person. But that how our society works, LGBT movement is automatically infallible. It has been highjacked by white supremacy and western imperialism. LGBT movement also slander the indegenious community as homophobic to justify racism and oppression. Another false stereotype to justify white male domination globally. . [Edited 9/4/19 3:09am]

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This has nothing to do with the topic. The topic is about the enslavement of Native Americans. it is not about your political bias. Stop being part of the problem and seek to be part of the solution .


Stop lying that Venezuela is an authoritarian dictatorship and stop lying that Australia’s elites and Wall Street share holders aren’t profiting from war.
How about you start there and stop trying to deflect these conversations to protect Australian elites.
I think you know very well of Australia’s expanding arm sales market and the fact that they are sanctioning Venezuela all based on lies that you are spreading to justify these actions.
Saying arms sales to Saudi Arabia is “unfortunate” is one way to put genocide.
Making excuses for state terrorism or any terrorism is f***d up and that’s what our society does. It’s just so inherently violent and racist.



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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #84 posted 09/04/19 4:14am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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This has nothing to do with the topic. The topic is about the enslavement of Native Americans. it is not about your political bias. Stop being part of the problem and seek to be part of the solution .

blah blah blah [Edited 9/4/19 3:53am]

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I am dead set against all the Australian elites who enslaved the Native Venezualan by forcing them to wear joggers whilst they were responding to things that they did not know would happen in the future so the Yemeni can afford to buy the bombs dropped on them by convicts who not the right skin colour. And don't get me started on members of <insert minority group> that fail to live up to their stereotypes.

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Stop trolling. The topic is enslavement of Native Americans.

[Edited 9/4/19 4:26am]

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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This has nothing to do with the topic. The topic is about the enslavement of Native Americans. it is not about your political bias. Stop being part of the problem and seek to be part of the solution .



blah blah blah [Edited 9/4/19 3:53am]

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I am dead set against all the Australian elites who enslaved the Native Venezualan by forcing them to wear joggers whilst they were responding to things that they did not know would happen in the future so the Yemeni can afford to buy the bombs dropped on them by convicts who not the right skin colour. And don't get me started on members of <insert minority group> that fail to live up to their stereotypes.


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Stop trolling. The topic is enslavement of Native Americans.

[Edited 9/4/19 4:26am]


Blah blah white male Freemason humour blah blah

I’m not a white male so I’m not a Freemason, so I don’t know what your right wing brothers think of me, you will have to fill me in after the next Freemason meeting, where sanctions against Venezuela are organised, resource extraction is planned, arms sales are made to Saudi Arabia , and where the profits from slavery is concentrated and kept, and where NAMBLA groups get their support from.

I don’t care what your boys think to be honest.
I’m not interested. Boring.
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #86 posted 09/04/19 5:42am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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I am dead set against all the Australian elites who enslaved the Native Venezualan by forcing them to wear joggers whilst they were responding to things that they did not know would happen in the future so the Yemeni can afford to buy the bombs dropped on them by convicts who not the right skin colour. And don't get me started on members of <insert minority group> that fail to live up to their stereotypes.

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Stop trolling. The topic is enslavement of Native Americans.

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Blah blah freemason conspiracy theory blah blah

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Stop trolling. The topic is the enslavement of Native Americans not your conspiracy theories that imagine freemasons everywhere.

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Stop being the problem, be the solution. Stand with those of us who are against slavery, not because it is useful for your political bias, but because it is an evil act regardless of who does it to whom. Try a contibution to the topic, not just to your agenda.

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Reply #87 posted 09/04/19 6:12am

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hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:



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Descendents of slavery from Africa should stand in alliance with enslaved Native Americans and this does make them strong. Unfortunatelty, your constant deflections, false accusations and lies mean you are not one those making them strong.



The neo-liberal left are gatekeepers for the right wing. White supremacy is deep. Chris Pyne, the Labour Party and Trump united against poor black and brown people around the world. But Chris Pyne is gay so that makes everything ok I guess. I’m not inspired or moved by Xhris Pine dropping bombs on the Middle East or sanctioning Venezuela just because he’s gay. Being LGBT doesn’t make you a good or bad person. But that how our society works, LGBT movement is automatically infallible. It has been highjacked by white supremacy and western imperialism. LGBT movement also slander the indegenious community as homophobic to justify racism and oppression. Another false stereotype to justify white male domination globally. . [Edited 9/4/19 3:09am]

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This has nothing to do with the topic. The topic is about the enslavement of Native Americans. it is not about your political bias. Stop being part of the problem and seek to be part of the solution .


Stop lying that Venezuela is an authoritarian dictatorship and stop lying that Australia’s elites and Wall Street share holders aren’t profiting from war.
How about you start there and stop trying to deflect these conversations to protect Australian elites.
I think you know very well of Australia’s expanding arm sales market and the fact that they are sanctioning Venezuela all based on lies that you are spreading to justify these actions.
Saying arms sales to Saudi Arabia is “unfortunate” is one way to put genocide.
Making excuses for state terrorism or any terrorism is f***d up and that’s what our society does. It’s just so inherently violent and racist.



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Haus it possible you can stay on topic? You’re kind of diminishing the topic of this thread. This isn’t about Saudi Arabia or Australia elites, it’s about America’s history of Native American slavery. Thanks.
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