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Reply #150 posted 08/26/19 8:34pm

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Reply #151 posted 08/26/19 8:51pm

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guitarslinger44 said: You failed at that last statement in your post, because I wouldn’t be throwing a fit. Why? Because Actually, there exists a number of white people, in neo-nazi type hate groups, who commit hate crimes, including against the LGBT community. It’s all documented in America’s past and present. Now is it fair to say that I am right about that or do you prefer to accuse me of lying? See, you don’t want to play tit-for-tat, but you are, because you don’t like that you’ve been told, that often times, many in this country single out Islam as though it’s the worst religion on earth, and the only religion that has some bad apples existing in it, and using it to justify their crimes, including committing crimes, against the LGBT community. But then you want to play blind to the same discrimination and heinous crimes committed everyday, against the LGBT community, by Christians, who hold those biases based on their Christian beliefs or how/what they’ve been raised, to believe about the LGBT community, that caused the bias to exist towards that community in the first place. Anyway, that’s it for now. I’m out. Carry on. [Edited 8/26/19 6:47am]


You keep on bringing up stuff that has NOTHING to do with the topic and thinking you've "told me." lol Show me where neo nazis are throwing gays off buildings then we can talk.

No one's saying Islam is the worst religion on earth, it's just the worst religion RIGHT NOW. It could change (hopefully.)

I always expect you to excuse terrible behavior by non-whites while slamming whites for doing less than, or the same things you defend, and you didn't disappoint here. Carry on though. lol


WHY do you keep saying Muslims are non-whites??

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/muslim-american-demographics_n_5027866?guccounter=1

Racially, thirty percent of Muslim Americans report their race as white, 23% as black, 21% as Asian, 6% as Hispanic and 19% as other or mixed race.

Muslim Americans come from around the globe. Foreign-born Muslim Americans come from at least 77 different countries around the world. Sixty-three percent of Muslim Americans are first-generation immigrants, while 37% were born in the U.S. Seventy percent of those born outside of the U.S. are citizens (compared to 47% of foreign-born, on the whole, who are citizens.)

Of first-generation Muslim Americans, 41% are from the Middle East or North Africa, 26% are from South Asia, 11% are from Sub-Saharan Africa, and 7% are from Europe. Thirteen percent of U.S. Muslims are African Americans whose parents were born in the U.S, and 23% of Muslim Americans, overall, identify as black.

Politically, Muslim Americans are largely liberal. Seventy percent identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, while 11% identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. Sixty-eight percent say they would prefer a big government that provides many services than a small government with fewer services.

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Reply #152 posted 08/26/19 8:56pm

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https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/demographics-of-islam

Demographics of Islam

Islam is the world’s second largest religion after Christianity, with approximately 1.5 billion adherents—nearly a quarter of the global population. Islam dominates the religious landscape of the Middle East, North Africa, and large parts of Asia.

Though the Arab world is often regarded as the historical heartland of Islam, Arabs comprise only about 20 percent of the world’s Muslim population, while about 30 percent come from the Indian subcontinent and the rest live in Asia outside the Middle East and the West.

The country with the largest Muslim population is Indonesia
, home to about 13 percent of all Muslims worldwide. Islam is the largest religion in Africa, with a particularly strong presence in the North and West.

Sizeable Muslim minorities exist in many countries, including Russia and China. Islam is the second largest religion in much of Europe, and Muslim communities exist in North and South America as well.

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Reply #153 posted 08/26/19 9:10pm

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From the OP video -

Historically, Suleiman explains, the fascination with Muslims began after WW II, through the 1940s with the Palestine-Israel conflict and the Iranian Revolution.

Then 9/11 happened. This was a watershed moment when everyone wanted to become knowledgable about Islam and when many hate-mongers, masquerading as counter-terrorism experts, began informing some of the most important decision-makers in the country.

Hollywood and the mainstream media also contributed to the negative image of Muslims. The solution, says Suleiman, is to be pro-active, to reach out to local Muslim populations, visit your local mosque and just ask a Muslim about Islam.

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Reply #154 posted 08/26/19 9:27pm

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guitarslinger44 said:




2elijah said:


guitarslinger44 said: You failed at that last statement in your post, because I wouldn’t be throwing a fit. Why? Because Actually, there exists a number of white people, in neo-nazi type hate groups, who commit hate crimes, including against the LGBT community. It’s all documented in America’s past and present. Now is it fair to say that I am right about that or do you prefer to accuse me of lying? See, you don’t want to play tit-for-tat, but you are, because you don’t like that you’ve been told, that often times, many in this country single out Islam as though it’s the worst religion on earth, and the only religion that has some bad apples existing in it, and using it to justify their crimes, including committing crimes, against the LGBT community. But then you want to play blind to the same discrimination and heinous crimes committed everyday, against the LGBT community, by Christians, who hold those biases based on their Christian beliefs or how/what they’ve been raised, to believe about the LGBT community, that caused the bias to exist towards that community in the first place. Anyway, that’s it for now. I’m out. Carry on. [Edited 8/26/19 6:47am]


You keep on bringing up stuff that has NOTHING to do with the topic and thinking you've "told me." lol Show me where neo nazis are throwing gays off buildings then we can talk.

No one's saying Islam is the worst religion on earth, it's just the worst religion RIGHT NOW. It could change (hopefully.)

I always expect you to excuse terrible behavior by non-whites while slamming whites for doing less than, or the same things you defend, and you didn't disappoint here. Carry on though. lol




WHY do you keep saying Muslims are non-whites??

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/muslim-american-demographics_n_5027866?guccounter=1




Racially, thirty percent of Muslim Americans report their race as white, 23% as black, 21% as Asian, 6% as Hispanic and 19% as other or mixed race.









Muslim Americans come from around the globe. Foreign-born Muslim Americans come from at least 77 different countries around the world. Sixty-three percent of Muslim Americans are first-generation immigrants, while 37% were born in the U.S. Seventy percent of those born outside of the U.S. are citizens (compared to 47% of foreign-born, on the whole, who are citizens.)





Of first-generation Muslim Americans, 41% are from the Middle East or North Africa, 26% are from South Asia, 11% are from Sub-Saharan Africa, and 7% are from Europe. Thirteen percent of U.S. Muslims are African Americans whose parents were born in the U.S, and 23% of Muslim Americans, overall, identify as black.





Politically, Muslim Americans are largely liberal. Seventy percent identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, while 11% identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. Sixty-eight percent say they would prefer a big government that provides many services than a small government with fewer services.





I never said there weren't white Muslims, but all the stuff we're talking about is being done by brown people in brown people countries. Unless gays and women are being subject to the same treatment by Muslims somewhere in the US as they are in Africa, the middle East and other Muslim majority countries, why are you bringing up the demographics of US Muslims?

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Reply #157 posted 08/27/19 2:28am

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'Christianity and Islam
are the two largest religions in the world and share a historical traditional connection, with some major theological differences. The two faiths share a common place of origin in the Middle East, and consider themselves to be monotheistic.

Christianity is a monotheistic religion which developed out of Second Temple Judaism in the 1st century CE. It is founded on the life, teachings, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and those who follow it are called Christians.[1]


Islam is a monotheistic religion that developed in the 7th century CE. Islam, which literally means "surrender" or "submission", was founded on the teachings of Muhammad as an expression of surrender to the will of God. Those who follow it are called Muslims.[2][3]


Muslims have a range of views on Christianity, from viewing Christians to be People of the Book to regarding them as heretics. Christian views on Islam are diverse and range from considering Islam a fellow Abrahamic religion worshipping the same God, to believing Islam to be heresy or an unrelated cult.


Islam considers Jesus to be al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah, sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl in Arabic) with a new revelation: al-Injīl (Arabic for "the Gospel").[4][5][6] Christianity believes Jesus to be the Messiah of the Hebrew scripture, the Son of God, and God the Son, while Muslims consider the Trinity to be a division of God's Oneness and a grave sin (shirk). Muslims believe Jesus (Isa) to be a messenger of God, not the son of God.


Christianity and Islam have different scriptures, with Christianity using the Bible and Islam using the Quran, though Muslims believe that both the Quran and the Christian Gospel, termed Injeel, were sent by God. Both texts offer an account of the life and works of Jesus. The belief in Jesus is a fundamental part of Islamic theology, and Muslims view the Injeel as tahrif (distorted or altered), while Christians consider their Gospels to be authoritative and the Quran to be a later, fabricated or apocryphal work. Both religions believe in the virgin birth of Jesus through Mary, but the Biblical and Islamic accounts differ.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/..._and_Islam


So basically, Islam and Christianity have the gospel story in common but their accounts of it differ. Christianity developped in the 1st Century CE from Judaism (which started in 1812 BC) while Islam was started in the 7th century CE by Muhammad; though followers of the latter believe that Christianity 'distorted' God's original message... You do the maths.

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Reply #158 posted 08/27/19 5:25am

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Reply #162 posted 08/27/19 9:30am

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Reply #165 posted 08/27/19 1:43pm

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No one was pushing you to say that Islam is the worst most toxic religion.

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Humans have toxic elements. Politics have toxic elements. Cultures have toxic elements. etc

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If it is stupid, then why do it to any. And you were not here when Christianity get slammed for all kinds of stupid reasons. There was one year, probably right before you joined, that I swear that whole year was non stop. It got to the point where I stopped taking part in any for a long time.


I think the mere fact that people can so easily mock or challenge christianity without any fear of 'reaction' from anyone including the Christians themselves in contrast with how people would't even dare approaching a muslim person about their religion speaks volume.

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https://www.pbs.org/muhammad/ma_women.shtml

At the time of Muhammad's birth, women in 7th century Arabia had few if any rights. Even the right of life could be in question, since it was not uncommon for small girls to be buried alive during times of scarcity. In the Qur'an, it is said that on Judgment Day "buried girls" will rise out of their graves and ask for what crime they were killed. Part of Muhammad's legacy was to end infanticide and establish explicit rights for women.

Islam teaches that men and women are equal before God. It grants women divinely sanctioned inheritance, property, social and marriage rights, including the right to reject the terms of a proposal and to initiate divorce. The American middle-class trend to include a prenuptial agreement in the marriage contract is completely acceptable in Islamic law. In Islam's early period, women were professionals and property owners, as many are today. Although in some countries today the right of women to initiate divorce is more difficult than intended, this is a function of patriarchal legislation and not an expression of Islamic values. Muhammad himself frequently counseled Muslim men to treat their wives and daughters well. "You have rights over your women," he is reported to have said, "and your women have rights over you."

Muhammad was orphaned at an early age. He once remarked that, "Heaven lies at the feet of mothers." As the father of four daughters in a society that prized sons, he told other fathers that, if their daughters spoke well of them on the Day of Judgment, they would enter paradise.

Beginning from the time of Muhammad's marriage to his first wife Khadijah, women played an important role in his religious career. According to Muslim sources, Khadijah was the first person Muhammad spoke to about his initial, terrifying experience of revelation. She consoled him and became the first convert to Islam. She remained a confidant and source of support throughout their entire marriage. Though men commonly took more than one wife in 7th Century Arabia, Muhammad remained in a monogamous marriage with Khadijah until her death, when Muhammad was in his fifties.

By then, Muhammad was working to establish a new community. In that context, over the next 10 years, he married several women. In some cases, these marriages occurred in order to cement political ties, according to the custom of the day. In some cases, the marriage provided physical and economic shelter to the widows of Muslims who had died or who had been killed in battle, and to the wife of a fallen foe. Of all his marriages, only one appears to have been controversial, and it was to the divorced wife of his adopted son.

Only one of his wives had not been previously married. Her name was Aisha, the daughter of one of his closest companions. Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad while still a girl, but she remained in her parents' home for several years until she reached puberty. Years later, when absent from Medina, Muhammad often recommended that, if religious questions arose, people should take them to his wife Aisha. After Muhammad's death, Aisha became a main source of information about Muhammad, and on medicine and poetry as well.

Aisha's assertion that Muhammad lived the Qur'an became the basis for Muslims ever since to emulate his example.

Muhammad's daughters also played an important and influential role, both in his life and in the establishment of Islam. Most notable was his daughter Fatima, who is still revered by all Muslims, particularly Shiite Muslims.

Following the Battle of Uhud (625), in which scores of male combatants died leaving unprotected widows and children, Muhammad and the Qur'an decreed that, in order to protect the orphans of such families, men might take up to four wives. The permission itself is surrounded with language that discourages the very thing it permits, saying that unless a man can treat several wives equally, he should never enter into multiple marriages. The usual supposition in the modern monogamous West-that Islam institutionally encourages lustful arrangements-is rejected by Muslims themselves as an ill-informed stereotype. At the same time, Muslim feminists point out that in various cultures at different economic strata the laws of polygamy have frequently operated to the clear detriment of women. Polygamy is an uncommon occurrence in the modern Muslim world.

Today, Islamic legal and social systems around the world approach and fall short of women's rights by varying degrees. Muslims themselves generally view Islam as progressive in these matters. Many Muslim feminists hold the view that the problems presently hindering Muslim women are those that hinder women of all backgrounds worldwide- oppressive cultural practices, poverty, illiteracy, political repression and patriarchy. There is a strong, healthy critique of gender oppression among Muslim feminist authors and activists worldwide.

It would be anachronistic to claim that Muhammad was a feminist in our modern sense. Yet the same present-day barriers to women's equality prevailed in 7th century Arabia, and he opposed them. Because in his own lifetime Muhammad improved women's position in society, many modern Muslims continue to value his example, which they cite when pressing for women's rights.

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https://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/women.htm

Banish Them to Their Beds and Scourge Them!

Muhammad’s Low Opinion of Women

By David Wood

The status of women in the Arab world is a source of frequent criticism against Islam. Women in the West have fixed their gaze on the polygamy, veils, and other inequalities in Muslim countries and are concerned about the rapid spread of Islam. When Western critics charge that Islam teaches the inferiority of women, Muslims often argue that any disparity between men and women is the result of cultural differences, rather than of Islamic law:

The Qur’an enshrined a new status for women and gave them rights that they could have only dreamed of before in Arabia, so why the seeming disparity between what once was and what now appears to be? The answer lies in the deterioration of basic Islamic education that occurred in the Muslim world after the disasters of the Mongol invasions and the Crusades in the eleventh through thirteenth centuries. . . . Cultures that arose since that time have been characterized by customs and local cultural leanings more than genuine Islamic values.[1]

The treatment of women in the Muslim world, then, is the result of the Crusades and the Mongol invasions. If it weren’t for the Christians and the Mongols, Muslim women would still be enjoying the prominent status given to them by Muhammad.

Muslim apologists have done an outstanding job convincing people that Muhammad was a champion of women’s rights. Indeed, arguments for Muhammad’s liberation of women have convinced some that "Muhammad was probably the greatest champion of women’s rights the world has ever seen."[2] Descriptions of Muhammad’s improvements in the area of gender relations abound in Muslim writings:

So far back as the seventh century of the Christian era, Islam abolished the horrible practice of female infanticide prevalent among the pagan Arabs, gave clear directions leading to the restriction of polygamy, restrained the unlimited rights exercised by men over their wives, and gave woman both spiritual and material equality with man.[3]

Arab human rights were quite backward, even for the time. Women had precious few rights. A woman became the property of a man upon marriage, and no woman could refuse a match made by her father. Spousal abuse was rampant, with no recourse to any quarter for help. Upon the death of her husband, a woman could be inherited by her son and made her son’s wife. Female infanticide in which newborn baby girls were buried alive in the sand was quite common in a society that considered surplus females a burden. Women had no divorce or well-defined inheritance rights and certainly no political vote. A man could divorce without reason and leave a woman penniless, and there was no limit to the number of wives a man could have, nor rules for how each should be treated. . . . Arabian custom had always dictated that women should take no public role in religious or political activity. The superiority of men over women in all respects was also a widely accepted notion. Muhammad changed that notion by asserting that men and women were equals before God in every sphere. . . . To examine the record of Muhammad and his mission is to gain a new respect for the improvements he made in the lives of both men and women.[4]

The Qur’an provided women with explicit rights to inheritance, to property, the obligation to testify in a court of law, and the right to divorce. It made explicit prohibitions on the use of violence against female children and women as well as on duress in marriage and community affairs. . . . Women were equally responsible for ensuring that all religious duties of the individual and society were fulfilled, in terms of punishment for social, criminal and moral infractions. They were also offered equal opportunities to attain the ultimate boon: paradise and proximity to Allah if they strove with all their means to ‘establish what is good and forbid what is evil’.[5]

While it is true that Muhammad raised the status of Arabian women in some respects,[6] we cannot let this fact cloud certain other issues, namely, (1) that Muhammad permitted husbands to beat their wives, (2) that he repeatedly proclaimed the inferiority of women’s intellectual abilities, (3) that he taught that women’s prospects for the afterlife are extremely bleak, and (4) that, according to Muhammad, it is acceptable for men to rape their female captives. When combined with the above passages describing Muhammad’s beneficial impact on society, these four facts allow us to arrive at a more accurate and well-rounded picture of Muhammad’s view of women.

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Interesting. Assuming this is all true, I wonder what changed and when. hmmm

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https://www.pbs.org/muhammad/ma_women.shtml

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I'm surprised GS is getting away with that comment. eek


poppys is just trying to get me banned for a comment poppys KNOWS wasn't meant in the way poppys took it. poppys is funny. lol lol lol








Anyway, back on topic. There was some good news though in that Pew research study:

https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/


Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam. Asked specifically about suicide bombing, clear majorities in most countries say such acts are rarely or never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies.

In most countries where the question was asked, roughly three-quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians. And in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies. Yet there are some countries in which substantial minorities think violence against civilians is at least sometimes justified. This view is particularly widespread among Muslims in the Palestinian territories (40%), Afghanistan (39%), Egypt (29%) and Bangladesh (26%).

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There has been a lot of wrongdoings in the name of God, but that doesn't mean God is behind it.

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OldFriends4Sale said: Define "legit" in this context. Because I personally was threatened with violence several times in my youth and called "n****r" and "c**n" and "moolie" by White Italians and Irish guys- I'm sure "Good Catholic boys" all, who probably attended Mass every Sunday. Were they following the teachings of Christ? I don't think so. But I'm sure that they "believed "... And the Ku Klux Klan always promoted themselves as a "Christian " organization . I'm sure they believe that they legitimately love Jesus.


There has been a lot of wrongdoings in the name of God, but that doesn't mean God is behind it.

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Exactly, the blame for far more than just threatened violence by so called "legit" believers falls on these believers, be they Christian or Muslim or atheist or whatever.

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https://www.pbs.org/muhammad/ma_women.shtml

At the time of Muhammad's birth, women in 7th century Arabia had few if any rights. Even the right of life could be in question, since it was not uncommon for small girls to be buried alive during times of scarcity. In the Qur'an, it is said that on Judgment Day "buried girls" will rise out of their graves and ask for what crime they were killed. Part of Muhammad's legacy was to end infanticide and establish explicit rights for women.

Islam teaches that men and women are equal before God. It grants women divinely sanctioned inheritance, property, social and marriage rights, including the right to reject the terms of a proposal and to initiate divorce. The American middle-class trend to include a prenuptial agreement in the marriage contract is completely acceptable in Islamic law. In Islam's early period, women were professionals and property owners, as many are today. Although in some countries today the right of women to initiate divorce is more difficult than intended, this is a function of patriarchal legislation and not an expression of Islamic values. Muhammad himself frequently counseled Muslim men to treat their wives and daughters well. "You have rights over your women," he is reported to have said, "and your women have rights over you."

Muhammad was orphaned at an early age. He once remarked that, "Heaven lies at the feet of mothers." As the father of four daughters in a society that prized sons, he told other fathers that, if their daughters spoke well of them on the Day of Judgment, they would enter paradise.

Beginning from the time of Muhammad's marriage to his first wife Khadijah, women played an important role in his religious career. According to Muslim sources, Khadijah was the first person Muhammad spoke to about his initial, terrifying experience of revelation. She consoled him and became the first convert to Islam. She remained a confidant and source of support throughout their entire marriage. Though men commonly took more than one wife in 7th Century Arabia, Muhammad remained in a monogamous marriage with Khadijah until her death, when Muhammad was in his fifties.

By then, Muhammad was working to establish a new community. In that context, over the next 10 years, he married several women. In some cases, these marriages occurred in order to cement political ties, according to the custom of the day. In some cases, the marriage provided physical and economic shelter to the widows of Muslims who had died or who had been killed in battle, and to the wife of a fallen foe. Of all his marriages, only one appears to have been controversial, and it was to the divorced wife of his adopted son.

Only one of his wives had not been previously married. Her name was Aisha, the daughter of one of his closest companions. Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad while still a girl, but she remained in her parents' home for several years until she reached puberty. Years later, when absent from Medina, Muhammad often recommended that, if religious questions arose, people should take them to his wife Aisha. After Muhammad's death, Aisha became a main source of information about Muhammad, and on medicine and poetry as well.

Aisha's assertion that Muhammad lived the Qur'an became the basis for Muslims ever since to emulate his example.

Muhammad's daughters also played an important and influential role, both in his life and in the establishment of Islam. Most notable was his daughter Fatima, who is still revered by all Muslims, particularly Shiite Muslims.

Following the Battle of Uhud (625), in which scores of male combatants died leaving unprotected widows and children, Muhammad and the Qur'an decreed that, in order to protect the orphans of such families, men might take up to four wives. The permission itself is surrounded with language that discourages the very thing it permits, saying that unless a man can treat several wives equally, he should never enter into multiple marriages. The usual supposition in the modern monogamous West-that Islam institutionally encourages lustful arrangements-is rejected by Muslims themselves as an ill-informed stereotype. At the same time, Muslim feminists point out that in various cultures at different economic strata the laws of polygamy have frequently operated to the clear detriment of women. Polygamy is an uncommon occurrence in the modern Muslim world.

Today, Islamic legal and social systems around the world approach and fall short of women's rights by varying degrees. Muslims themselves generally view Islam as progressive in these matters. Many Muslim feminists hold the view that the problems presently hindering Muslim women are those that hinder women of all backgrounds worldwide- oppressive cultural practices, poverty, illiteracy, political repression and patriarchy. There is a strong, healthy critique of gender oppression among Muslim feminist authors and activists worldwide.

It would be anachronistic to claim that Muhammad was a feminist in our modern sense. Yet the same present-day barriers to women's equality prevailed in 7th century Arabia, and he opposed them. Because in his own lifetime Muhammad improved women's position in society, many modern Muslims continue to value his example, which they cite when pressing for women's rights.



Life really sucked for women in Mecca pre 570 (the year Muhammad was born). At least he brought some enlightenment and improvements to a horrible sanctioned existence for most women.

What struck me about this was how many things that control women were/are still in place 1300+ years later - and not just in that area of the world. Women and children were considered legal property of their husbands in the US too (even in cases of extreme abuse). Into the late 1800s, if they left they could be apprehended and forced to return. If a wife left without the children, the children were legal property of their husbands anyway, they had no rights to them.

Not until a few wealthy women challenged these laws in the courts did anything change. Same with voting. The real reason women were granted the vote was because they were forcing women - such as widows - to pay taxes. They used the premise of no taxation without representation in court and won.

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