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China could overwhelm US in military first strike, Australian report says

The 'boys' are flexing their muscle for sure. We need a nice winter. I think the heat is turning everyone up.

The US military is no longer the primary force in Asia, and missiles from China's rapidly improving military could overwhelm its bases in hours, according to a new report.

The study by the United States Study Center, at the University of Sydney, in Australia, warned that America's defense strategy in the Indo-Pacific region "is in the throes of an unprecedented crisis" and could struggle to defend its allies against China.

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That means Australia, Japan and other US partners need to build up and refocus their forces in the region, and consider increased cooperation with the US, to ensure their security, the study claimed.

The report highlights areas where China's military is making huge strides in comparison to the US and its Asian allies and partners. Chief among those is in missiles.

"China has deployed a formidable array of precision missiles and other counter-intervention systems to undercut America's military primacy," the report states. Those missiles number in the thousands, the report says.

Almost all US military installations in the Western Pacific, as well as those of its key partners and allies, "could be rendered useless by precision strikes in the opening hours of a conflict," according to the report.

China's Foreign Ministry said Monday it had not seen the report, but spokesperson Geng Shuang stressed that the country's military policy was "defensive in nature."

"China is firmly on a path of peaceful development and our national dense policy is defensive in nature," Geng said.

CNN reached out to the Pentagon for comment but had not heard back at the time of publication.

Little surprise

Much of the Australian report should come as little surprise to the Pentagon.

A November 2018 report to Congress from the National Defense Strategy Commission said "the US military could suffer unacceptably high casualties" and "might struggle to win or perhaps lose, a war against China or Russia."

Six months later, the US Defense Department's annual report on China's military said Beijing was intent on developing a world-class military and becoming "the preeminent power in the Indo-Pacific region."

Upwards of 2,000 short-, medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles that can hit land and sea targets are part of that plan, according to the Pentagon report.

The Australian study questions the US's ability to keep up with China's advances, and warns that Washington is facing a crisis of "strategic insolvency."

For example, the US is seeing its fleet of nuclear-powered attack submarines shrinking at a time when they are needed even more.

"Put simply, as the environment above the surface becomes more deadly because of Chinese deployments of cruise missiles, hypersonic technologies and anti-air defenses, America's enduring advantage in undersea warfare will become increasingly important in the regional balance of power," the report says.

But Adm. Phil Davidson, the head of the US Indo-Pacific Command, told Congress in March that he was only getting half of the submarines needed in the Pacific on a daily basis.

The Australian report says it is critical that Canberra and partners like Japan need to step up to fill the voids the US is leaving.

"Washington will require significant and ongoing support from its regional allies and partners to successfully deter Chinese adventurism," it said.

The report, for example, suggested that Australia increase its production of conventionally powered submarines, which are ideal for operations close to coastlines or in areas like the South China Sea.

It also encouraged "collective defense" through software that enables communications between allies.

Working together

Increased cooperation between the US and its allies is already happening.

The US and Australia recently completed their biennial Talisman Sabre exercises in northern Australia, which this year also included a bulked-up Japan Self-Defense Force contingent performing two amphibious landings.

The Australian report said more of the same is needed, and farther afield from Australia.

"Exercises should practice and demonstrate rapid dispersal of air- and land-based strike forces from concentrated basing in mainland Japan, Okinawa and Guam, to small geographically diverse operating locations (around the South China Sea)," it said.

"The primary aim of such exercises should be to bolster the collective ability to deter, deny and, if necessary, blunt potential Chinese fait accompli aggression," it said.

The report noted that the Australian military is beset by one of the same ills hurting its American allies -- spreading its forces too thinly. Between 2001 and 2018, Australia spent more than three times as much on operations in the Middle East than it did in the Indo-Pacific.

The strain that conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria have placed on the US military's budget, equipment and operations had "ill-prepared" Washington "for great power competition in the Indo-Pacific," it said.

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Reply #1 posted 08/20/19 1:19pm

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Yeah, I can see that.
Let's stay friendly and work with them with diplomacy and then we shouldn't need to worry.

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I am willing to kill and die to stop them! Are any of you?

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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look at Korea... my brother was stationed in Korea and he said that if the north was foolish enough to do so many at or near the DMZ would be wiped out... but that the victory would be HOPEFULLY short lived... of course under barack or hillary or many of the leftist running for president who knows...

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #4 posted 08/20/19 5:22pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am willing to kill and die to stop them! Are any of you?



Oh brother!
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Reply #5 posted 08/20/19 5:33pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am willing to kill and die to stop them! Are any of you?

Oh brother! lol

so that is a NO from you?

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #6 posted 08/20/19 6:21pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am willing to kill and die to stop them! Are any of you?



Oh brother! lol



so that is a NO from you?


I’m not killing anyone just because our president is a moron, no.
Being a real civil rights champion,
Sometimes I have to defend
against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

"Yippee ki-yay, Motherfucker." - John McClane, Die Hard
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Reply #7 posted 08/20/19 6:26pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so that is a NO from you?

I’m not killing anyone just because our president is a moron, no.

well I am not surprised... and what who our president have to do with it?


hey let me ask you? you hate me.... but do you believe I lied when I said I served in the Military?

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #8 posted 08/20/19 6:33pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



cborgman said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:




so that is a NO from you?



I’m not killing anyone just because our president is a moron, no.


well I am not surprised... and what who our president have to do with it?


hey let me ask you? you hate me.... but do you believe I lied when I said I served in the Military?



Why are you surprised that I wouldn’t kill someone? Bloodthirsty is not an admirable quality, its a psychosis.

Are you not aware that your idiot president has been poking china and trying to start shit up from pretty much the announcement of his candidacy?

I dont hate you. i think youre a terrible person after that false accusation you pulled that i am a rapist and a necrophiliac, but i dont hate you. I as a rule of thumb doubt the veracity of pretty much anything you say, based on the rape/maim lie you told, as well as numerous other examples over the years. Do i believe you served in the military? I could easily imagine you lying about it, but i also dont care if you did or not.


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[Edited 8/20/19 18:34pm]
Being a real civil rights champion,
Sometimes I have to defend
against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

"Yippee ki-yay, Motherfucker." - John McClane, Die Hard
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Reply #9 posted 08/20/19 6:38pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

well I am not surprised... and what who our president have to do with it?


hey let me ask you? you hate me.... but do you believe I lied when I said I served in the Military?

Why are you surprised that I wouldn’t kill someone? Bloodthirsty is not an admirable quality, its a psychosis. Are you not aware that your idiot president has been poking china and trying to start shit up from pretty much the announcement of his candidacy? I dont hate you. i think youre a terrible person after that false accusation you pulled that i am a rapist and a necrophiliac, but i dont hate you. I as a rule of thumb doubt the veracity of pretty much anything you say, based on the rape/maim lie you told, as well as numerous other examples over the years. Do i believe you served in the military? I could easily imagine you lying about it, but i also dont care if you did or not. . [Edited 8/20/19 18:34pm]

you come off as a cowdard that rather bow down than stand up and fight. you understnat I mean... in the event of a full on invasion... our military is overrun and it is up to the people to fight or give up?

maybe I was not clear?


If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #10 posted 08/20/19 6:40pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



cborgman said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:



well I am not surprised... and what who our president have to do with it?


hey let me ask you? you hate me.... but do you believe I lied when I said I served in the Military?



Why are you surprised that I wouldn’t kill someone? Bloodthirsty is not an admirable quality, its a psychosis. Are you not aware that your idiot president has been poking china and trying to start shit up from pretty much the announcement of his candidacy? I dont hate you. i think youre a terrible person after that false accusation you pulled that i am a rapist and a necrophiliac, but i dont hate you. I as a rule of thumb doubt the veracity of pretty much anything you say, based on the rape/maim lie you told, as well as numerous other examples over the years. Do i believe you served in the military? I could easily imagine you lying about it, but i also dont care if you did or not. . [Edited 8/20/19 18:34pm]


you come off as a cowdard that rather bow down than stand up and fight. you understnat I mean... in the event of a full on invasion... our military is overrun and it is up to the people to fight or give up?




maybe I was not clear?




Honest question: youre drunk as hell right now, aren’t you?
Being a real civil rights champion,
Sometimes I have to defend
against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

"Yippee ki-yay, Motherfucker." - John McClane, Die Hard
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OnlyNDaUsa said:



cborgman said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:



well I am not surprised... and what who our president have to do with it?


hey let me ask you? you hate me.... but do you believe I lied when I said I served in the Military?



Why are you surprised that I wouldn’t kill someone? Bloodthirsty is not an admirable quality, its a psychosis. Are you not aware that your idiot president has been poking china and trying to start shit up from pretty much the announcement of his candidacy? I dont hate you. i think youre a terrible person after that false accusation you pulled that i am a rapist and a necrophiliac, but i dont hate you. I as a rule of thumb doubt the veracity of pretty much anything you say, based on the rape/maim lie you told, as well as numerous other examples over the years. Do i believe you served in the military? I could easily imagine you lying about it, but i also dont care if you did or not. . [Edited 8/20/19 18:34pm]


you come off as a cowdard that rather bow down than stand up and fight. you understnat I mean... in the event of a full on invasion... our military is overrun and it is up to the people to fight or give up?




maybe I was not clear?




lol
WTF?
after your first response I was going to ask if you just got home and started drinking. I’m pretty sure alcohol is involved in some of these responses from you. lol
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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



cborgman said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:



well I am not surprised... and what who our president have to do with it?


hey let me ask you? you hate me.... but do you believe I lied when I said I served in the Military?



Why are you surprised that I wouldn’t kill someone? Bloodthirsty is not an admirable quality, its a psychosis. Are you not aware that your idiot president has been poking china and trying to start shit up from pretty much the announcement of his candidacy? I dont hate you. i think youre a terrible person after that false accusation you pulled that i am a rapist and a necrophiliac, but i dont hate you. I as a rule of thumb doubt the veracity of pretty much anything you say, based on the rape/maim lie you told, as well as numerous other examples over the years. Do i believe you served in the military? I could easily imagine you lying about it, but i also dont care if you did or not. . [Edited 8/20/19 18:34pm]


you come off as a cowdard that rather bow down than stand up and fight. you understnat I mean... in the event of a full on invasion... our military is overrun and it is up to the people to fight or give up?




maybe I was not clear?




Honest question: youre drunk as hell right now, aren’t you?


Omg you beat me to it. I hadn’t read this post yet
lol
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Reply #13 posted 08/20/19 7:02pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

you come off as a Coward that rather bow down than stand up and fight. you understand I mean... in the event of a full on invasion... our military is overrun and it is up to the people to fight or give up?

maybe I was not clear?


Honest question: youre drunk as hell right now, aren’t you?

haha i did have a little wine before... other that 2 misspelled words (you mispelled you're) what is wrong with what I said?


and did I really accuse you of being a necro? like for real or was it being cheeky?

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #14 posted 08/20/19 7:04pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

cborgman said:
Honest question: youre drunk as hell right now, aren’t you?
Omg you beat me to it. I hadn’t read this post yet lol

given that you seem to not be willing to fight for freedom... yes I had a glass of wine...

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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OnlyNDaUsa said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


cborgman said:
Honest question: youre drunk as hell right now, aren’t you?

Omg you beat me to it. I hadn’t read this post yet lol


given that you seem to not be willing to fight for freedom... yes I had a glass of wine...


..Vodka. White Vodka

“...I’ll kick all yooo assesses, I’m not drunk”

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given that you seem to not be willing to fight for freedom... yes I had a glass of wine...


falloff x 10
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Reply #17 posted 08/20/19 7:15pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am willing to kill and die to stop them! Are any of you?

You don't even own a gun do you?

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


cborgman said:
Honest question: youre drunk as hell right now, aren’t you?

Omg you beat me to it. I hadn’t read this post yet lol


given that you seem to not be willing to fight for freedom... yes I had a glass of wine...


..Vodka. White Vodka

“...I’ll kick all yooo assesses, I’m not drunk”

lol

damn it... neither img nor youtube will work on org at moment.
[Edited 8/20/19 19:30pm]
Being a real civil rights champion,
Sometimes I have to defend
against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

"Yippee ki-yay, Motherfucker." - John McClane, Die Hard
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PennyPurple said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


I am willing to kill and die to stop them! Are any of you?



You don't even own a gun do you?



Your point? And would you fight or cave?
If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #20 posted 08/20/19 7:25pm

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cborgman said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:


..Vodka. White Vodka

“...I’ll kick all yooo assesses, I’m not drunk”

lol

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It was 1 glass of chardonnay
If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

You don't even own a gun do you?

Your point? And would you fight or cave?

cave to what? the ridiculous war fantasy youre having with china in your head?

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[Edited 8/20/19 19:39pm]

Being a real civil rights champion,
Sometimes I have to defend
against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

"Yippee ki-yay, Motherfucker." - John McClane, Die Hard
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Xi Jinping says world has nothing to fear from awakening of 'peaceful lion'

President issues message of peace, but use of quote attributed to Napoleon shows desire for more assertive foreign policy, analysts suggest

Teddy Ng

Andrea Chen

Published: 1:45pm, 28 Mar, 2014

Xi Jinping's decision to compare China to the proverbial "king of the jungle" yesterday was seen as the latest sign that the president intends to pursue a more muscular foreign policy.

Xi used the lion metaphor in a speech in Paris to commemorate the 50th anniversary of diplomatic relations with France.

He introduced it via a quote often attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte more than two centuries ago: "China is a sleeping lion. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will shake the world."

Xi told an audience that included French President Francois Hollande: "Today, the lion has woken up. But it is peaceful, pleasant and civilised."

The remark could signal a subtle but substantial shift in how China - the globe's second largest economy since 2010 - wants to be viewed by the rest of the world, analysts said.

Xi Jinping and French President Francois Hollande at a ceremony in Paris. Photo: Reuters
Xi Jinping and French President Francois Hollande at a ceremony in Paris. Photo: Reuters

In recent years, Communist Party leaders have sought to avoid any language that might feed into perceptions that China's military and economic rise was in any way threatening.

Former premier Wen Jiabao used the term "peaceful rise" to describe China's expansion into world affairs during a visit to the United States in 2003, only to have president Hu Jintao exchange it for the more innocuous sounding "peaceful development" the next year.

Jin Canrong , a professor of international studies at Renmin University, said Xi's speech suggested he was less afraid of stirring controversy than his predecessors.

"I am surprised by [Xi's] remarks," Jin said. "Xi is basically admitting that China is powerful, and that he is aware that some countries will be nervous about it, but they have to get used to China's status."

China has been more assertive since Xi came to power in late 2012, getting tough over regional territory disputes and vowing to develop a new model of international relations with the US.

Yesterday, Xi was careful to say that if China was a lion, it was a docile one. "Chinese people treasure peace and hope to seek, maintain and enjoy peace together with other nations in the world," he said.

Jean-Pierre Cabestan, head of the political science department at the Hong Kong Baptist University, said Xi's remarks represented a warning.

"Have you ever seen a peaceful, civilised and not aggressive lion?" Cabestan said. "A lion is a big, wild and predatory animal, very much like China in its relations with other countries."

The lion quote cited by Xi is well known, but historians are divided about whether the words were uttered by Napoleon.

One popular account has it that the French leader made the comparison while warning British ambassador Lord Amherst about conflict with China.

Kerry Brown, a professor of China studies at the University of Sydney, said Xi appeared to be using the lion metaphor to say China needs to be looked up to as a big player on the world stage.

"Xi, like other Chinese leaders, really wants to be regarded as a key important leader of a country which is reacquiring its position as a major player," he said.

Pang Zhongying , another professor of international relations at Renmin University, said China had long been focusing on economic ties with other nations, but it remained relatively weak on global security and diplomatic affairs.

"China needs to be, and is going to be, more responsive with more actions over global incidents that affect peace," Pang said. "Compared to the economic side, China is indifferent in political engagement."

Xinhua did not mention the lion metaphor in its report, but it released the full transcript of the speech. Other state media, such as the People's Daily website, released commentaries describing China as a large but responsible nation.

Xi arrived in Berlin yesterday and said China and Germany shared broader common interests and new co-operation opportunities.

"I look forward to working with German leaders to map out the blueprint for the development of China-Germany relations … to discuss co-operation and build up friendship and bring the China-Germany strategic partnership to a higher level," he said.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said: Your point? And would you fight or cave?

cave to what? the ridiculous war fantasy youre having with china in your head?

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are you talking to me or OldFriends4Sale or whoever wrote the posted article? I was just responding to the OP reasonable conclusion... and it is okay that you rater surrender than try toi fight... lets face it you would last about as long as I would...

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"Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl
on the great river Euphrates,
and its water was dried up,
so that the way
of the kings from the East
might be prepared."

Saudi Arabia, Longtime U.S. Ally, Builds Ties With China

Saudi Arabia was once the linchpin of the Trump administration's plans for the Middle East. The country was President Donald Trump's first foreign destination after taking office. Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, struck up a close relationship with the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman. And both the U.S. and Saudi Arabia pledged to work together to contain the kingdom's longtime regional rival, Iran.

But in the wake of international scandals, drifting geopolitical interests and new economic opportunities, Saudi Arabia has more recently pursued close ties with one of the U.S.'s foremost rivals: China. And it's found a willing suiter.

Beijing and Riyadh made waves in February by signing a $28 billion trade deal that included plans for Saudi Arabia to build a $10 billion petrochemical complex in China that will refine and process Saudi oil. Last year, Saudi Arabia supplied more than 12% of China's oil – and in the past year alone, its crude exports to Beijing have roughly doubled.

"Is China playing a bigger role in the Gulf? Absolutely," says Randolph Bell, director of the Global Energy Center at the Atlantic Council, a think tank in the nation's capital. "Those relationships are growing deeper."

Much of this is the result of economic pragmatism: The U.S. is no longer Saudi Arabia's top customer for oil. Between state and federal efforts to make vehicles more efficient to address climate change and an oil and gas boom that's transformed America into the world's top oil producer, the U.S. imported less crude in 2018 than it did 20 years earlier. And while the U.S. will remain dependent on imports for the foreseeable future due to refineries that were built decades ago – long before the domestic oil and gas renaissance – to process types of oil more often found overseas, imports last year dropped by nearly a quarter from their peak in 2005.

"It's really being driven by, on the one hand, Chinese economic growth and on the other hand the dependency of the Middle East on oil and gas revenues," says Antoine Halff, director of the program on global oil markets at the Columbia University Center on Global Energy Policy. "There are clearly concerns about a shift away from oil in the West, and there is a very deliberate strategy of locking in market share in Asia, investing in downstream industrial capacity to secure an outlet for oil in that region for the future."

The roots arguably stretch to the Obama administration: Leaders in Saudi Arabia were outraged by the nuclear deal signed with Iran in 2015, and they felt further slighted by the White House's "pivot" to Asia the following year. Trump, upon taking office, pledged to repair the breach, but wider splits soon emerged.

The crown prince, who forcefully asserted his authority during arrests of potential rivals in June 2017, has found himself increasingly isolated from the West: The Saudis have faced international condemnation for the indiscriminate killing of civilians in Yemen. A Saudi-led coalition intervened in Yemen's civil war in 2015 on behalf of its internationally recognized government against Iranian-backed Houthi rebels who had taken the capital and ousted the country's president. But the Saudis, who employ U.S.-provided weapons and intelligence, oversaw the deterioration of humanitarian conditions that were already considered to be dire.

And the crown prince's decision to order the gruesome assassination of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi in a Saudi consulate in Turkey in October sparked widespread outrage. Congress earlier this year passed resolutions that would have halted arms sales to Saudi Arabia, though Trump vetoed the measures.

"The special relationship with Saudi Arabia is gone, and it's been deteriorating for a while," says Frank Verrastro, senior vice president for energy, national security and foreign policy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank. "The concerns in the Congress over Saudi activity in Yemen, the Khashoggi fallout, threatening to revoke missile sales and arms sales – there's less of a strong relationship than there was before."

Saudi Arabia, faced with what it regards as divergent goals and flagging U.S. interests in the region, is hedging its bets.

"There are a number of power brokers around the world, and you want to have relationships with all of them, and you don't want to be in bed with just one," Verrastro says.

Recent U.S. policies have, meanwhile, accelerated the expansion of economic ties between China and Saudi Arabia. Where China was once seen as one of the most lucrative markets for surging U.S. exports of oil, it's been made all but off limits as Chinese companies, jittery because of the trade war and perhaps pressured by Beijing, have instead sought oil elsewhere as President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping have exchanged tit-for-tat rounds of tariffs.

"When the trade dispute started, the Chinese were careful not to put additional tariffs on oil and gas. That was a signal to the United States that they were willing to negotiate," Verrastro says. "In the last six months, even in the last year, Chinese companies have been wary, as the trade dispute has escalated, to enter into long-term contracts with suppliers that way."

China's gains in the region – or advances by any other nation – aren't inherently U.S. losses: Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and other American allies in the region maintain close economic ties with the U.S., and they tend to share similar security concerns. And some of the most recent Chinese actions in the region surely have not endeared Beijing to Saudi Arabia: While U.S. allies have worked to contain Iran, for example, the country remains a trading partner of China. Beijing has continued to buy oil from the Islamic Republic but has kept it in tankers at sea and in ports, just outside customs, so as not to violate international sanctions against doing business with Iran.

"I don't think it should be looked at as a zero-sum game, that growing close to China doesn't mean that every relationship unit – whether that's a dollar spent or a diplomatic trip or however you want to think about a relationship with any country – is taking something away from the U.S.," Bell, of the Atlantic Council, says. "The U.S. still matters from a security perspective, the U.S. still matters vis-a-vis Iran. And I suspect that the Saudis are not terribly happy with China stockpiling Iranian oil in storage. Once it gets released it has the potential to drop oil prices even further."

However, the newly energized relationships between China, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf nations may signal a considerable realignment – one that may harden as the trade war between the U.S. and China continues, and if leaders in Saudi Arabia and the U.S. see their nations' interests as diverging.

"Does this lead to a change in geopolitical alliances? If trade is better there's stronger ties between the two countries," Verrastro says. Meanwhile, "once you sever a relationship, you find an alternative. And if you find acceptable alternatives, then maybe you don't go back to the first guy. I think we're getting dangerously close to that."

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I’m glad China is doing good.
Good for them. We exploited their cheap workforce and now they are more than self sufficient but an economy that everyone wants a piece of.
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Hopefully our next President can iron out our differences in a less childish manner.
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I’m glad China is doing good. Good for them. We exploited their cheap workforce and now they are more than self sufficient but an economy that everyone wants a piece of. . Hopefully our next President can iron out our differences in a less childish manner.


Well they also exploit cheap workforce
doing good in military power, isn't always a good thing. Especially if things ever go bad. You would not be glad.

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In China, an estimated 3,388,400 people are victims of modern slavery (0.25% of the population), according to the 2016 GSI. Forced and child labor is one notable problem in the region, and it’s an issue that made headlines in 2007, after police rescued 450 captives — some of whom were children as young as 14 — who had been forced to work 16 to 20 hours a day with no pay in brick kilns. Many of them were beaten and even burned, and barely given enough food to live.

The trafficking of women and children into forced marriages and the sex trade is also a huge issue, according to the GSI. Female immigrants who are in the country illegally and reach out to others for help are especially at risk of being secretly sold as brides. An estimated 20,000 to 30,000 North Korean women were living in China and enduring different types of slavery in 2012,

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The Chinese government has been variously described as communist and socialist, but also as authoritarian and corporatist, with heavy restrictions in many areas, most notably against free access to the Internet, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, the right to have children, free formation of social organizations and freedom of religion. Its current political, ideological and economic system has been termed by its leaders as the "people's democratic dictatorship", "socialism with Chinese characteristics" (which is Marxism adapted to Chinese circumstances) and the "socialist market economy" respectively

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Lets be honest here.
We have a freak like Turd as our leader. What nation is the scariest is world right now..seriously
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^ Lets be honest here. We have a freak like Turd as our leader. What nation is the scariest is world right now..seriously lol

the world is scary, I doubt people in Nigeria are scared of Trump, they have the direct violence of Boko Haram. Or N Koreans Kim Jong-un, Or Middle Easterns dealing with the Taliban etc The world is a big place and people living in spaces that are oppressive probably are more concerned about their very present issues

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