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Reply #30 posted 08/22/19 10:22am

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The Issues Aren’t Always the Issue

...America is not just having problems with what is happening to our economy, our environment, our educational system and so forth. We have a problem with the psychological fabric of our country, as a low level emotional civil war has begun in too many ways to rip us apart.

In order to deal with that, we must address it on the level of our internal being. We don’t normally associate politics with a deep level of our internal existence, but this is the 21st Century now and all of that needs to change.

People think politics is ugly -- and it is true that some of it is. But there is something else to politics too, when we allow it to unfold - something noble and good. Our task in the 21st Century is to transform our experience of politics, that we might help transform our country...

This is a new time, and we must bring forth something new within ourselves in order to deal with it. In the words of Abraham Lincoln, “As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.”...

https://www.marianne2020.com/issues


Anyone who reads my posts here knows that when it comes to voting on a national level, I am very practical. I don't throw my presidential vote away on people that cannot win just to make a point. It is obvious to me, and probably everyone reading this that Williamson will not win the nomination. That is not the point of this thread.

However, she has so many valid points on the FACT that politics is really about people. I see politics as a bridge over impassable waters that would not otherwise be possible without bloodshed. Messy as it is, it's better than no bridge.

So many things we never thought possible are now possible, such as any woman or minority participating in upper levels of government - as our Constitution allows for. Just because it probably won't happen in my lifetime does not mean I shouldn't support many of Williamson's concepts.


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Reply #31 posted 08/22/19 2:52pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:



2elijah said:


Ugot2shakesumthin said:


I agree.
Skeptism is good.


Trump is bad.


Love is good.


peace is good.


The issue is what are her solutions, or an alternative to vaccination, or will some poor sap who falls for her nonsense injure her loved ones or the community?


The issue is no one is AGAINST love. (Generalization)


No one is against peace (generalization)


I and many others dislike Turd.
None of the democratic nominees are going to say love is bad, or peace is bad, or Turd is good. Or skeptism is necessarily bad. It's just so cringeworthy.



It's the simple-mindedness her CAPTAIN OBVIOUS message ..WITHOUT real answers. AND possibly dangerous ideology regarding health issues.


Its the same ploy that charlatans, televangelists, the Republican Party, and yes, 'self-help gurus' trying to hock books employ.


And ..she's just a dope.



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Lol. You missed something...We have a simple-minded, arrogant, rude, sexist, racist, disrespectful, hateful, angry, miserable individual in the highest office in the country. Has a problem saying nice things about people. Maybe he missed a few hugs and love along the way. Vaccinations: There are many Americans who don’t feel comfortable pumping vaccines into the their children or themselves. Example, Flu vaccines fail all the time. Didn’t work for me, because I still caught the flu, twice, and refuse to take flu shots again. I’ve been fine without taking it for 2 years now. Love: No one’s against love? Tell that to all those who have low self-esteem issues, because they don’t feel loved; those who embrace hate towards others because of race, religion. Those who commit crimes/kill. The many who do rob/kill others for lack of money, material bs., etc., If they cared/had compassion for others, they wouldn’t commit harm. Many in our country lack respect/compassion/love towards others, because they’re not taught that at home. There’s been an increase in hate crimes. I’d say this country lacks compassion/love/respect in many ways. There’s nothing simple-minded about desiring to see more of that instilled in Americans. What is the point of people going to church if it’s not to teach all of that? You don’t have to agree. If her existence makes you livid, well I doubt it would have any affect on her life, as she seems pretty confident and grounded about who she is. Carry on. [Edited 8/22/19 8:08am]

I find it baffling how some here point to Trump as the counterpoint. EVERYONE is better than Turd. That's obvious too.
Are we looking for lesser of dopes? Or are we looking for a qualified candidate?


Well she’s a presidential candidate, who you point out is too dopey to be president, yet we already have a dope in the office. You figure that out.
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Reply #32 posted 08/22/19 2:58pm

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poppys said:

The Issues Aren’t Always the Issue


...America is not just having problems with what is happening to our economy, our environment, our educational system and so forth. We have a problem with the psychological fabric of our country, as a low level emotional civil war has begun in too many ways to rip us apart.

In order to deal with that, we must address it on the level of our internal being. We don’t normally associate politics with a deep level of our internal existence, but this is the 21st Century now and all of that needs to change.

People think politics is ugly -- and it is true that some of it is. But there is something else to politics too, when we allow it to unfold - something noble and good. Our task in the 21st Century is to transform our experience of politics, that we might help transform our country...

This is a new time, and we must bring forth something new within ourselves in order to deal with it. In the words of Abraham Lincoln, “As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.”...

https://www.marianne2020.com/issues



Anyone who reads my posts here knows that when it comes to voting on a national level, I am very practical. I don't throw my presidential vote away on people that cannot win just to make a point. It is obvious to me, and probably everyone reading this that Williamson will not win the nomination. That is not the point of this thread.

However, she has so many valid points on the FACT that politics is really about people. I see politics as a bridge over impassable waters that would not otherwise be possible without bloodshed. Messy as it is, it's better than no bridge.

So many things we never thought possible are now possible, such as any woman or minority participating in upper levels of government - as our Constitution allows for. Just because it probably won't happen in my lifetime does not mean I shouldn't support many of Williamson's concepts.



[Edited 8/22/19 10:41am]



I agree that many of us know she won’t win, but she raises issues that some candidates are afraid to bring to the table. If we just look at how so many angry, disgruntled, miserable, hateful and depressed individual Americans, choosing gun violence/mass shootings to deal with their inner issues, pain, feeling unloved, forgotten or afraid of another racial or religious groups’ progress and contributions in/to this country, It’s pretty clear America is lacking compassion, peace, respect in so many ways, and it’s hurting the country with hate taking over and being normalized.
[Edited 8/22/19 15:01pm]
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Reply #33 posted 09/05/19 7:31am

poppys

Did y'all see this nuttiness? Stick with the Peace Cabinet. disbelief

cbs.com

Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson came under a barrage of criticism Wednesday after she sent, and later deleted, a tweet about how "creative use of the power of the mind" might affect Hurricane Dorian.

The tweet was captured in screenshots by several Twitter users and went viral. The full tweet read as follows:

"The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas...may all be in our prayers now. Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is creative use of the power of the mind. Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm."

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Reply #34 posted 09/05/19 9:39am

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poppys said:

Did y'all see this nuttiness? Stick with the Peace Cabinet. disbelief

cbs.com





Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson came under a barrage of criticism Wednesday after she sent, and later deleted, a tweet about how "creative use of the power of the mind" might affect Hurricane Dorian.



The tweet was captured in screenshots by several Twitter users and went viral. The full tweet read as follows:



"The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas...may all be in our prayers now. Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is creative use of the power of the mind. Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm."



Lots of people whose into New Age Spirituality, actually believe collective prayer can produce miracles. shrug
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Reply #35 posted 09/05/19 10:18am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

Did y'all see this nuttiness? Stick with the Peace Cabinet. disbelief

cbs.com

Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson came under a barrage of criticism Wednesday after she sent, and later deleted, a tweet about how "creative use of the power of the mind" might affect Hurricane Dorian.

The tweet was captured in screenshots by several Twitter users and went viral. The full tweet read as follows:


Lots of people whose into New Age Spirituality, actually believe collective prayer can produce miracles. shrug


Yeah you're right. Lots of prayer circles in mainstream religions too.

I'm not saying prayer doesn't help, but I've been through about 30 hurricane scares between here and the islands. We've all prayed/meditated for days on end. Also, if you are praying for it to go out to sea, that's one thing. If you're praying for it to avoid you (therefore hitting other people), that's not very nice either. Haha, we actually talk about stuff like that.

The Bahama footage is devastating. It stresses me out to watch hurricane footage these days. Why I'm a renter and not an owner. And they're just getting worse with global warming.

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Reply #36 posted 09/05/19 11:36am

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It sounds too much like the "Ministry of Peace" from 1984. Peace shouldnt' have to have a whole department dedicated to it to be effective.

I agree with Williamson on some things but then she says some weird hippie BS on the tail end of it and I just have to lol

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Reply #37 posted 09/09/19 3:15pm

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poppys said:

2elijah said:

poppys said:
Lots of people whose into New Age Spirituality, actually believe collective prayer can produce miracles. shrug


Yeah you're right. Lots of prayer circles in mainstream religions too.

I'm not saying prayer doesn't help, but I've been through about 30 hurricane scares between here and the islands. We've all prayed/meditated for days on end. Also, if you are praying for it to go out to sea, that's one thing. If you're praying for it to avoid you (therefore hitting other people), that's not very nice either. Haha, we actually talk about stuff like that.

The Bahama footage is devastating. It stresses me out to watch hurricane footage these days. Why I'm a renter and not an owner. And they're just getting worse with global warming.

Sadly, all the donated supplies got to some part sof the Bahamas late and the people who survived are headed for Nassau now. sigh

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
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Reply #38 posted 09/10/19 6:08am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



poppys said:




2elijah said:


poppys said:
Lots of people whose into New Age Spirituality, actually believe collective prayer can produce miracles. shrug



Yeah you're right. Lots of prayer circles in mainstream religions too.

I'm not saying prayer doesn't help, but I've been through about 30 hurricane scares between here and the islands. We've all prayed/meditated for days on end. Also, if you are praying for it to go out to sea, that's one thing. If you're praying for it to avoid you (therefore hitting other people), that's not very nice either. Haha, we actually talk about stuff like that.

The Bahama footage is devastating. It stresses me out to watch hurricane footage these days. Why I'm a renter and not an owner. And they're just getting worse with global warming.




Sadly, all the donated supplies got to some part sof the Bahamas late and the people who survived are headed for Nassau now. sigh


Sad and it’s a mess. So many lost everything. The islands was once a place of paradise, but these hurricanes of late are become more and more of a major threat and devastation.
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