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Reply #60 posted 09/05/19 5:39am

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PennyPurple said:



jjhunsecker said:


2freaky4church1 said:

Butler's main plan is the end the hood. Give vouchers to the black poor so they can live--only--in white suburbs. You would have to also culturally convince whites not to be scared of the black poor who move there.



The problem is if they put poor Black people in White suburbs, a lot of that housing would be vandalized or burned down in weeks

What are you saying JJ? That the whites would vandalize or burn down their houses?



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Reply #61 posted 09/05/19 5:54am

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jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Butler's main plan is the end the hood. Give vouchers to the black poor so they can live--only--in white suburbs. You would have to also culturally convince whites not to be scared of the black poor who move there.

The problem is if they put poor Black people in White suburbs, a lot of that housing would be vandalized or burned down in weeks

or black suburbs or mixed suburbs

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Reply #62 posted 09/05/19 6:22am

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jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said: The problem is if they put poor Black people in White suburbs, a lot of that housing would be vandalized or burned down in weeks

What are you saying JJ? That the whites would vandalize or burn down their houses?

Basically yes, I believe that would happen if large groups of poor Black and Latino people were moved into mainly White suburban areas. Or, at the very least, most of the white people in that suburban area would move out as fast as they could .



I saw this happen even in "liberal" NYC and it's suburbs where I was born and still live- when Black people move into mainly White areas, there is sometimes violent resistance. And in the age of Trump, I see more and more examples of people not bothering to hide their overt bigotry.

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jjhunsecker said:

PennyPurple said:

What are you saying JJ? That the whites would vandalize or burn down their houses?

Basically yes, I believe that would happen if large groups of poor Black and Latino people were moved into mainly White suburban areas. Or, at the very least, most of the white people in that suburban area would move out as fast as they could .



I saw this happen even in "liberal" NYC and it's suburbs where I was born and still live- when Black people move into mainly White areas, there is sometimes violent resistance. And in the age of Trump, I see more and more examples of people not bothering to hide their overt bigotry.

[Edited 9/5/19 6:30am]

You are literally saying white folk would burn and vandalize the neighborhood?

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I live in 2 parts of NY state and in 2019 I don't see that happen.

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Reply #64 posted 09/05/19 8:26am

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jjhunsecker said:

Basically yes, I believe that would happen if large groups of poor Black and Latino people were moved into mainly White suburban areas. Or, at the very least, most of the white people in that suburban area would move out as fast as they could .



I saw this happen even in "liberal" NYC and it's suburbs where I was born and still live- when Black people move into mainly White areas, there is sometimes violent resistance. And in the age of Trump, I see more and more examples of people not bothering to hide their overt bigotry.

[Edited 9/5/19 6:30am]

You are literally saying white folk would burn and vandalize the neighborhood?

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I live in 2 parts of NY state and in 2019 I don't see that happen.

If they built housing for poor minorities in a White middle or upper class suburb, I think there's a very strong possibility that it would be vandalized or destroyed. The people there would do almost anything to preserve their property values , and their local schools.


So I certainly don't think hordes of Black people from ghetto projects would be welcome in with open arms in most mainly White suburbs

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

You are literally saying white folk would burn and vandalize the neighborhood?

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I live in 2 parts of NY state and in 2019 I don't see that happen.

If they built housing for poor minorities in a White middle or upper class suburb, I think there's a very strong possibility that it would be vandalized or destroyed. The people there would do almost anything to preserve their property values , and their local schools.


So I certainly don't think hordes of Black people from ghetto projects would be welcome in with open arms in most mainly White suburbs

[Edited 9/5/19 8:33am]

oh ok I get it

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I've seen the flight when 'trailer trash' moved in too

Today, I think it is more about 'class' or types of people 'like' people moving in

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Reply #66 posted 09/05/19 10:01am

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jjhunsecker said:

If they built housing for poor minorities in a White middle or upper class suburb, I think there's a very strong possibility that it would be vandalized or destroyed. The people there would do almost anything to preserve their property values , and their local schools.


So I certainly don't think hordes of Black people from ghetto projects would be welcome in with open arms in most mainly White suburbs

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oh ok I get it

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I've seen the flight when 'trailer trash' moved in too

Today, I think it is more about 'class' or types of people 'like' people moving in

I think race trumps class when it comes to Black people, though. A lot of people assume the negative when they see a Black person, whereas a White person would have to look really poor or crazy before most people make negative assumptions.



For example, a very close friend of mine is a 6'2" dark skinned Black man. He's also an Ivy League graduate and a doctor who earns close to 7 figures yearly. There are numerous times he's been followed and profiled, and pulled over by the police in his car. I myself attended an excellent school, and was raised in and maintain a middle-class lifestyle, and I couldn't tell you all the times I've been followed in stores....So class is still a factor, but so is race and ethnicity

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Reply #67 posted 09/05/19 4:33pm

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PennyPurple said:

What are you saying JJ? That the whites would vandalize or burn down their houses?

Basically yes, I believe that would happen if large groups of poor Black and Latino people were moved into mainly White suburban areas. Or, at the very least, most of the white people in that suburban area would move out as fast as they could .



I saw this happen even in "liberal" NYC and it's suburbs where I was born and still live- when Black people move into mainly White areas, there is sometimes violent resistance. And in the age of Trump, I see more and more examples of people not bothering to hide their overt bigotry.

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Gosh JJ, you are one of my favorite posters, I hate to hear that this is the way you feel. On the flip side I've personally seen where some white folk, moved to the urban area of KC and how they were vandalized and burned out...

There are parts of KC that if you are white, and you are in that area chances are you'll get a bullet but on that flip flop side, I don't think any people of color are afraid to come to the suburbs and get a bullet..


I've actually thought of moving but only because the meth heads are taking over and they are typically white.


I live in an older and poorer part of KC, and my neighborhood has a lot of races in it, again the only problem we are having is with the white meth heads.

But I think you are one of the posters who has a good head on their shoulders and I really pay attention to what you say and mostly agree with you.


I'm beginning to feel like whites get a bad rap on this forum.


I absolutely abhor the things going on in our country today with people of color and how they are being treated. I also abhor the way some of you on this forum think of us whites too.....


If I had said something like you did, I'd be hearing about it from the posters here, who wouldn't take it so easy on me.

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Reply #68 posted 09/05/19 9:08pm

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PennyPurple said:

jjhunsecker said:

Basically yes, I believe that would happen if large groups of poor Black and Latino people were moved into mainly White suburban areas. Or, at the very least, most of the white people in that suburban area would move out as fast as they could .



I saw this happen even in "liberal" NYC and it's suburbs where I was born and still live- when Black people move into mainly White areas, there is sometimes violent resistance. And in the age of Trump, I see more and more examples of people not bothering to hide their overt bigotry.

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Gosh JJ, you are one of my favorite posters, I hate to hear that this is the way you feel. On the flip side I've personally seen where some white folk, moved to the urban area of KC and how they were vandalized and burned out...

There are parts of KC that if you are white, and you are in that area chances are you'll get a bullet but on that flip flop side, I don't think any people of color are afraid to come to the suburbs and get a bullet..


I've actually thought of moving but only because the meth heads are taking over and they are typically white.


I live in an older and poorer part of KC, and my neighborhood has a lot of races in it, again the only problem we are having is with the white meth heads.

But I think you are one of the posters who has a good head on their shoulders and I really pay attention to what you say and mostly agree with you.


I'm beginning to feel like whites get a bad rap on this forum.


I absolutely abhor the things going on in our country today with people of color and how they are being treated. I also abhor the way some of you on this forum think of us whites too.....


If I had said something like you did, I'd be hearing about it from the posters here, who wouldn't take it so easy on me.

Penny- I hope my posts didn't make it seem as if I was "anti-White" or anything like that. I did happen to grow up and live in an environment where there were often racially motivated attacks by Whites on non-Whites, and personally experienced many such incidents myself. These type of experiences tend to stay with a person. Not to make it purely personal, but also I went to an almost entirely White High School and College, and still have many close and lasting friendships from that time. (Not to mention that my wife is White. )



And I suspect that in the parts of KC that you mention where a White person would get shot, that they would probably shoot someone like me just as quickly. Black ghetto criminals will go after anyone they think is vulnerable, pretty much regardless of race.



What I'm commenting on is what I see as the resurgence of the blatent racism that I remember from my younger days, and thought was slowly diminishing, but seems to have just been dormant. Please don't see my statements as a condemnation of all white people, or any group.

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Reply #69 posted 09/06/19 3:51am

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jjhunsecker said:

Penny- I hope my posts didn't make it seem as if I was "anti-White" or anything like that. I did happen to grow up and live in an environment where there were often racially motivated attacks by Whites on non-Whites, and personally experienced many such incidents myself. These type of experiences tend to stay with a person. Not to make it purely personal, but also I went to an almost entirely White High School and College, and still have many close and lasting friendships from that time. (Not to mention that my wife is White. )



And I suspect that in the parts of KC that you mention where a White person would get shot, that they would probably shoot someone like me just as quickly. Black ghetto criminals will go after anyone they think is vulnerable, pretty much regardless of race.



What I'm commenting on is what I see as the resurgence of the blatent racism that I remember from my younger days, and thought was slowly diminishing, but seems to have just been dormant. Please don't see my statements as a condemnation of all white people, or any group.

they kind of do... and even if you've had posted edited for use of slurs against Europan people... I assume your anger is a reaction to your life experince and an expression of frustratrion from a life of open and subtal racism. So I forgive that... like 4.5 out of a max of 5 for 81 out of a max score of 100 or 81%

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #70 posted 09/06/19 4:43am

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PennyPurple said:

Gosh JJ, you are one of my favorite posters, I hate to hear that this is the way you feel. On the flip side I've personally seen where some white folk, moved to the urban area of KC and how they were vandalized and burned out...

There are parts of KC that if you are white, and you are in that area chances are you'll get a bullet but on that flip flop side, I don't think any people of color are afraid to come to the suburbs and get a bullet..


I've actually thought of moving but only because the meth heads are taking over and they are typically white.


I live in an older and poorer part of KC, and my neighborhood has a lot of races in it, again the only problem we are having is with the white meth heads.

But I think you are one of the posters who has a good head on their shoulders and I really pay attention to what you say and mostly agree with you.


I'm beginning to feel like whites get a bad rap on this forum.


I absolutely abhor the things going on in our country today with people of color and how they are being treated. I also abhor the way some of you on this forum think of us whites too.....


If I had said something like you did, I'd be hearing about it from the posters here, who wouldn't take it so easy on me.

Penny- I hope my posts didn't make it seem as if I was "anti-White" or anything like that. I did happen to grow up and live in an environment where there were often racially motivated attacks by Whites on non-Whites, and personally experienced many such incidents myself. These type of experiences tend to stay with a person. Not to make it purely personal, but also I went to an almost entirely White High School and College, and still have many close and lasting friendships from that time. (Not to mention that my wife is White. )



And I suspect that in the parts of KC that you mention where a White person would get shot, that they would probably shoot someone like me just as quickly. Black ghetto criminals will go after anyone they think is vulnerable, pretty much regardless of race.



What I'm commenting on is what I see as the resurgence of the blatent racism that I remember from my younger days, and thought was slowly diminishing, but seems to have just been dormant. Please don't see my statements as a condemnation of all white people, or any group.

I see the resurgence too JJ, and I abhor it.

The resurgence has esculated since the idiot has been in office.

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Reply #71 posted 09/06/19 7:49am

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PennyPurple said:

jjhunsecker said:

Penny- I hope my posts didn't make it seem as if I was "anti-White" or anything like that. I did happen to grow up and live in an environment where there were often racially motivated attacks by Whites on non-Whites, and personally experienced many such incidents myself. These type of experiences tend to stay with a person. Not to make it purely personal, but also I went to an almost entirely White High School and College, and still have many close and lasting friendships from that time. (Not to mention that my wife is White. )



And I suspect that in the parts of KC that you mention where a White person would get shot, that they would probably shoot someone like me just as quickly. Black ghetto criminals will go after anyone they think is vulnerable, pretty much regardless of race.



What I'm commenting on is what I see as the resurgence of the blatent racism that I remember from my younger days, and thought was slowly diminishing, but seems to have just been dormant. Please don't see my statements as a condemnation of all white people, or any group.

I see the resurgence too JJ, and I abhor it.

The resurgence has esculated since the idiot has been in office.

Exactly. I see and hear rhetoric that reminds me of the open bigotry I witnessed and experienced when I was younger (like hearing Trump say to the Congresswomen to "Go back to where you came from" and hearing his crowds chanting "send her back !" can't help remind me of all the times I heard people say "Go back to Africa !" or "Get out of our neighborhood n****r !")

So it comes across as very scary times, when you see that hatred and racism and xenophobia is almost normalized again.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

Penny- I hope my posts didn't make it seem as if I was "anti-White" or anything like that. I did happen to grow up and live in an environment where there were often racially motivated attacks by Whites on non-Whites, and personally experienced many such incidents myself. These type of experiences tend to stay with a person. Not to make it purely personal, but also I went to an almost entirely White High School and College, and still have many close and lasting friendships from that time. (Not to mention that my wife is White. )



And I suspect that in the parts of KC that you mention where a White person would get shot, that they would probably shoot someone like me just as quickly. Black ghetto criminals will go after anyone they think is vulnerable, pretty much regardless of race.



What I'm commenting on is what I see as the resurgence of the blatent racism that I remember from my younger days, and thought was slowly diminishing, but seems to have just been dormant. Please don't see my statements as a condemnation of all white people, or any group.

they kind of do... and even if you've had posted edited for use of slurs against Europan people... I assume your anger is a reaction to your life experince and an expression of frustratrion from a life of open and subtal racism. So I forgive that... like 4.5 out of a max of 5 for 81 out of a max score of 100 or 81%

Nah, they don't. I've never thought of JJ in any way as "anti-white".

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #73 posted 09/07/19 4:56pm

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You are literally saying white folk would burn and vandalize the neighborhood?

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I live in 2 parts of NY state and in 2019 I don't see that happen.

If they built housing for poor minorities in a White middle or upper class suburb, I think there's a very strong possibility that it would be vandalized or destroyed. The people there would do almost anything to preserve their property values , and their local schools.


So I certainly don't think hordes of Black people from ghetto projects would be welcome in with open arms in most mainly White suburbs

[Edited 9/5/19 8:33am]

The reality is, whites don't want blacks in their neighborhoods or schools. They'll tolerate a few, but if they feel the area's becoming "too black", away they go. I saw this shit over and over again when my family moved to Long Island. And it's no different today. Doesn't bother me at all. I learned a long time ago, laws may change, but people's hearts don't. The mistake I see some black folks make is thinking other groups will look at them differently because they have money, status and a house in the suburbs. Then they get a "N**** Wake-Up Call", and act shocked that this still goes on today.

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Please always feel free to create a new thread on a topic that is not directly connected to an existing one. fyi I will remove/note posts that take the thread into an off topic discussion.

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Well I would like to hear more opinions on the topic now...


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Why Chicago PD can't get more residents to identify gun violence suspects

Aamer Madhani, USA TODAY Published 3:43 p.m. ET Aug. 7, 2018 | Updated 4:12 p.m. ET Aug. 8, 2018

CHICAGO – This year, Romell Young got into a fistfight on the street near his home on the city’s West Side, pummeling a man in a brawl that was spurred by an argument he can’t even remember.

Young does, however, have a scar to remind him what happened after he gave his rival a whupping: The man returned with a gun and shot him in the leg.

At the hospital, police asked Young, 23, to tell them who shot him, but he said he declined to name the assailant. Weeks after the April incident, Young – who has a long arrest record and a felony conviction for drug possession – was charged with illegal possession of a firearm after police said they caught him on the street with a weapon.

“I believe karma is (vengeful), you feel me?” said Young, explaining to USA TODAY in a jailhouse interview in July why he didn’t name the man who shot him. “One day you’re going to reap what you sow.”


Young’s no-snitching outlook sheds light on the complicated dynamic in Chicago’s neighborhoods plagued by gun violence, one in which few residents are willing to help police and even fewer perpetrators are held accoutable.

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It seems like Chicago’s gun and drug problem will not be solved, until they get rid of some of Chicago’s corrupted, elected officials.


It’s unfortunate that many of the youth caught up in gang life, become the targets for the behind-the-scene big-time, illegal drug and weapons dealers, who are not the ones spending a day in prison. Most of the times, sadly it’s poverty that drives some of these youth to selling drugs, obtaining illegal weapons and prey/targets for gang members and other bad elements to bait them into a life of crime.
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For some in Chicago, gun violence is a daily reality, leaving the same trauma as mass shootings

The city just experienced its most violent weekend of the year, with 59 people shot, seven fatally.
Aug. 7, 2019, 11:54 PM EDT
By Safia Samee Ali

CHICAGO — As the nation mourned the deaths of 31 people in mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, some Chicago neighborhoods experienced their most violent weekend of the year with 59 people shot, seven of them killed.

While many Americans are expressing fear and anxiety about mass shootings in public places, residents of Chicago's West and South Sides say they have lived with an epidemic of gun violence for decades and know the loss the rest of the nation is experiencing.

“We deal with this every day,” said Edwin Taylor, 43, who lives in the Austin neighborhood on Chicago’s West Side. “Mass shootings are terrible and my heart goes out them, but what people need to understand is that it happens over and over in our neighborhoods.”

More than four dozen people were hit with bullets in 32 separate shootings over the weekend, according to Chicago police.

Early Sunday morning, seven people were shot when a gunman opened fire on a group near a park on the West Side. Hours later, gunfire erupted at a nearby block party, leaving one dead and seven wounded.

There were so many gunshot victims that one hospital administering to them, Mount Sinai, stopped temporarily stopped accepting them early Sunday morning, hospital officials said in a statement.

Over 1,500 people have been shot— nearly 300 fatally — in Chicago this year, according to The Chicago Tribune.

“We could be at a mall, we could be at a movie, and I’m constantly scanning my surroundings, just making sure we’re not in harm's way because we know it happens and we’ve seen it happen a lot,” said George Velazquez, 55, who lives on the West Side.

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Reminds me of how evil Rahm Emanuel was.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Man Returning Home From Wedding Struck, Shot In Logan Square Residence

Syndicated Local – CBS Chicago

CHICAGO (CBS)– A man returning home from a wedding was attacked in his Logan Square residence early Sunday morning, according to Chicago police.

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Police said the 45-year-old man was returning home, to the 1700 block of North Rockwell Street around 3:30 a.m., when four to six unknown men approached him and "starting flashing gang signs."

The victim continued to walk towards his residence, police said.

"Once inside the building one of the offenders produced a handgun and began to strike the victim multiple times in the face," Chicago police said in a press release.

Police said a struggle ensued and the victim fell back. The offender fired shots multiple times at the victim in the hallway, striking the victim twice in the foot, police said.

The offenders then fled the scene. No one is in custody and area north detectives are investigating.

The victim was transported to St. Mary hospital by ambulance where he was treated and released.

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I said it before : legalize, or at least decriminalize drugs, and the shootings and murders in places like Chicago would be cut by half or more

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jjhunsecker said:

I said it before : legalize, or at least decriminalize drugs, and the shootings and murders in places like Chicago would be cut by half or more


I always wondered how a real life Hamsterdam would work out in some of America's cities. When I watched that season of The Wire, I found myself being like, "Y'know, Bunny's onto something..." hmmm

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