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Reply #420 posted 09/10/19 4:08pm

PennyPurple

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

OH bullshit.

it is... 100% but not for the reason I bet you think it is

Stop spreading the BS.

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Reply #421 posted 09/10/19 11:50pm

BombSquad

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13cjk13 said:

BombSquad said:

this must not happen!!

no assault weapons??!?!? no high capacity magazines?!!??!!!



HELL, this would also mean no mass shootings! so no occasion to celebrate Freedom(TM) ever other day over the blood of a couple of disposable innocents!!!


and no occasion to make Evolution jokes!!


BAHAHAHAH! they are after me!!!!!


massacring small children = free speech/freedom. Learn it and live it.

even if their paranoid fear would be true... so fucking what??? there is nothing in the constitution that guarantees the right to high capacity magazines. like there is also nothing that gurantees the right to no background checks. Duh!

but the P.A.R.A.N.O.I.D. dumbfucks and the NRA mass murder supporters simply know JACK SHIT about the constitution, or at least don't fucking care about it, basically shit all over it. for weapon industry profits. if there is anyone who really deserved a bullet, it's them disgusting retards

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #422 posted 09/11/19 5:29am

13cjk13

2freaky4church1 said:

Only, Goddammit, people are dying. How do we stop this madness.

I think "more guns" would be the correct NRA sanctioned answer.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #423 posted 09/11/19 2:24pm

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Gonna leave this here for all the "No way does media coverage influence copycat shooters" believers on here lol lol lol

https://www.psypost.org/2019/09/study-finds-fame-seeking-mass-shooters-tend-to-receive-more-media-attention-54431

New research provides evidence that mass shooters who are seeking notoriety tend to receive more media coverage than their non-fame-seeking counterparts. The study has been published in the journal Aggression and Violent Behavior.

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Reply #424 posted 09/12/19 2:58pm

IanRG

guitarslinger44 said:

Gonna leave this here for all the "No way does media coverage influence copycat shooters" believers on here lol lol lol

https://www.psypost.org/2019/09/study-finds-fame-seeking-mass-shooters-tend-to-receive-more-media-attention-54431

New research provides evidence that mass shooters who are seeking notoriety tend to receive more media coverage than their non-fame-seeking counterparts. The study has been published in the journal Aggression and Violent Behavior.

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All it says is fame seeking mass-shooters get more press than non fame seeking mass shooters. Nothing in the abstract says anything about copy-cat mass shooters. The only difference between a fame-seeking shooter and a non fame-seeking shooter mentioned is that they tend to be young white males who are suicidal and generally target schools.

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Reply #425 posted 09/12/19 3:30pm

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IanRG said:

guitarslinger44 said:

Gonna leave this here for all the "No way does media coverage influence copycat shooters" believers on here lol lol lol

https://www.psypost.org/2019/09/study-finds-fame-seeking-mass-shooters-tend-to-receive-more-media-attention-54431

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All it says is fame seeking mass-shooters get more press than non fame seeking mass shooters. Nothing in the abstract says anything about copy-cat mass shooters. The only difference between a fame-seeking shooter and a non fame-seeking shooter mentioned is that they tend to be young white males who are suicidal and generally target schools.


No-Readin' Ian strikes again lol! I'll feed you baby bird lol

“Fame-seeking shooters incur high victim counts, and receive disproportionately higher levels of media coverage. As such, the media is reinforcing their initial motivations, and potentially contributing to copycat criminality,” Silva told PsyPost.

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Reply #426 posted 09/12/19 3:49pm

IanRG

guitarslinger44 said:

IanRG said:


No-Readin' Ian strikes again lol! I'll feed you baby bird lol

“Fame-seeking shooters incur high victim counts, and receive disproportionately higher levels of media coverage. As such, the media is reinforcing their initial motivations, and potentially contributing to copycat criminality,” Silva told PsyPost.

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That is not in the abstract. As I said: "Nothing in the abstract says anything about copy-cat mass shooters." Perhaps you need to do some readin'.

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You are quoting the interview, not the abstract. The abstract says it better: "Additionally, fame-seeking shooters were more likely to receive media coverage than their counterparts, thereby reinforcing their initial motivations. A discussion of findings highlights important implications for scholars, practitioners, and media outlets covering the phenomenon."

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These implications can mean that the media can potentially contribute to copycat shootings just the same as any other suicide along with the other people and other implications. We already discussed this and agreed with it following a paper on mass shootings that highlighted this is mainly important within the first 7 days.

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What this does not mean is the media is to blame, but it can contribute to being part of the solution - by, as I said many times, following the lead of Jacinda Arden's response to the Christchurch mass shooting - deny the perp their name and prevent the distributions of their manifestos etc - focus on the victims and resolving the problem, not the murder/suicider. The ultra-high US frequency is driven far, far, far more by its gun culture.

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Reply #427 posted 09/12/19 4:29pm

poppys

LMAO - Ian gets accused of not reading? He probably reads more before breakfast than the rest of us do in a week.

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Reply #428 posted 09/12/19 4:39pm

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IanRG said:

guitarslinger44 said:

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That is not in the abstract. As I said: "Nothing in the abstract says anything about copy-cat mass shooters." Perhaps you need to do some readin'.

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You are quoting the interview, not the abstract. The abstract says it better: "Additionally, fame-seeking shooters were more likely to receive media coverage than their counterparts, thereby reinforcing their initial motivations. A discussion of findings highlights important implications for scholars, practitioners, and media outlets covering the phenomenon."

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These implications can mean that the media can potentially contribute to copycat shootings just the same as any other suicide along with the other people and other implications. We already discussed this and agreed with it following a paper on mass shootings that highlighted this is mainly important within the first 7 days.

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What this does not mean is the media is to blame, but it can contribute to being part of the solution - by, as I said many times, following the lead of Jacinda Arden's response to the Christchurch mass shooting - deny the perp their name and prevent the distributions of their manifestos etc - focus on the victims and resolving the problem, not the murder/suicider. The ultra-high US frequency is driven far, far, far more by its gun culture.


You're getting bogged down in semantics as usual.

Do you think that media does not influence people to do some of the things they do? No one's saying "the media is solely responsible for mass shootings" that would be stupid. But are you seriously going to deny that news coverage that plasters the killers name and face all over television, dissects their manifestos, and keeps them in the news for about a week DOES NOT influence other similar minded folks to possibly plan and carry out similar shootings? whofarted

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Reply #429 posted 09/12/19 5:45pm

IanRG

guitarslinger44 said:

IanRG said:

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That is not in the abstract. As I said: "Nothing in the abstract says anything about copy-cat mass shooters." Perhaps you need to do some readin'.

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You are quoting the interview, not the abstract. The abstract says it better: "Additionally, fame-seeking shooters were more likely to receive media coverage than their counterparts, thereby reinforcing their initial motivations. A discussion of findings highlights important implications for scholars, practitioners, and media outlets covering the phenomenon."

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These implications can mean that the media can potentially contribute to copycat shootings just the same as any other suicide along with the other people and other implications. We already discussed this and agreed with it following a paper on mass shootings that highlighted this is mainly important within the first 7 days.

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What this does not mean is the media is to blame, but it can contribute to being part of the solution - by, as I said many times, following the lead of Jacinda Arden's response to the Christchurch mass shooting - deny the perp their name and prevent the distributions of their manifestos etc - focus on the victims and resolving the problem, not the murder/suicider. The ultra-high US frequency is driven far, far, far more by its gun culture.


You're getting bogged down in semantics as usual.

Do you think that media does not influence people to do some of the things they do? No one's saying "the media is solely responsible for mass shootings" that would be stupid. But are you seriously going to deny that news coverage that plasters the killers name and face all over television, dissects their manifestos, and keeps them in the news for about a week DOES NOT influence other similar minded folks to possibly plan and carry out similar shootings? whofarted

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Nice cover. I don't think anyone noticed that you did not read what I actually said when you sought to mock me for not reading. Oh wait....

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Actually, the sematics is all from you.

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I never said "solely", you added this as a sematic ploy to change what I said. You are then basing you misinterpretation of what I said on this made up insertion.

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What I said is that how things are reported can lead to copycatting generally within 7 days as previously discussed. So it is impossible for you make the argument that I am denying this. I said that the media is not the problem but it can be part of solution by following the lead of Jacinda Arden by not doing the things you listed, so again it is impossible for you to say I am denying anything.

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What you are denying and obfuscating is the real issue: The US has the same media as its equivalents, the US has the same mental issues as its equivalents, the same movies, same video games, same music, same propensities to racism, elitism, classism, crime, isolation of people suffering from mental health, the same needs for recognition. Of the equivalent nations or federation of states, provicenses or nations, there are places with higher population densities and lower population densities, high local total populations and lower total populations etc., etc. But the US has mass shootings and general gun violence rates that the massively higher than all their equivalents. Within this every coutry is unique and the key difference in the US is its gun culture. Once this addressed there will be fewer trigger events so even if nothing else changes, there will be fewer copycat events as well.

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The key is to disarm the perps and stop the trigger events first. Only then does the solution include getting politicians, lobby groups and the reporting of these trigger events to not give the perps oxygen for their murder/suicide or their manifestos and so all the remaining trigger events will lead to fewer copycat events.

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Reply #430 posted 09/13/19 2:02pm

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Yes or no,

Do you think media coverage contributes to copycat crimes where mass shootings are concerned?
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Reply #431 posted 09/13/19 2:28pm

IanRG

guitarslinger44 said:

Yes or no, Do you think media coverage contributes to copycat crimes where mass shootings are concerned?

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If you still think I have not answered this then you need to learn to read.

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It is far to important to understand and prevent future mass shootins than to let trump's tweets drive yes or no questions to avoid the real issue - so many more people in the US (by proportion of population) because of its gun culture.

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Reply #432 posted 09/13/19 3:27pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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the first step the left should do is to stop making up lies and speaking out of pure ignorance.

for example: most shootings and most mass shootings are carried out with hand guns. Most deaths are self inflicted... of the 30K each year about 20K are suicides and 10K are murders. So when a liar like the fake-Mexican Francs O belly aches about 30K deaths by gun violence as a reason to ban assault rifles any reasonable human would know he is a lair.


The fact that I have challenged many of the gun grabbing paranoid anti-civil rights people the very simple question of what makes a rifle an assault rifle and not a single time has anyone ever given an answer that would, if used as a basis for a ban not result in many other wide bans of both long guns and hand guns.

Just stop the lies and admit the calls to ban assault rifles is really a step to banning all guns....

oh and as cops have unjustly killed more people than the NRA has it is safe to say that those who hate civil rights must also want all cops to be disarmed. Either you are for cops shooting unarmed black men in the back or you are against it...

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #433 posted 09/13/19 3:48pm

poppys

IanRG said:

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If you still think I have not answered this then you need to learn to read.

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It is far to important to understand and prevent future mass shootins than to let trump's tweets drive yes or no questions to avoid the real issue - so many more people in the US (by proportion of population) because of its gun culture.


If at first you don't succeed - employ reductive questioning to achieve the desired gotcha.

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Reply #434 posted 09/13/19 4:26pm

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IanRG said:



guitarslinger44 said:


Yes or no, Do you think media coverage contributes to copycat crimes where mass shootings are concerned?

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If you still think I have not answered this then you need to learn to read.


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It is far to important to understand and prevent future mass shootins than to let trump's tweets drive yes or no questions to avoid the real issue - so many more people in the US (by proportion of population) because of its gun culture.



Again with the dodging.

Curbing all the notoriety news coverage gives shooters would be a step towards glorifying the acts and help prevent future shootings.

I honestly don't think you understand US culture all that well if you think all those things you posted before are exactly the same elsewhere as they are here. A few of them are, I'll give you that, but a lot of them are very different, and I say this as someone who's done quite a bit of travelling.
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Reply #435 posted 09/13/19 4:27pm

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poppys said:



IanRG said:


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If you still think I have not answered this then you need to learn to read.


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It is far to important to understand and prevent future mass shootins than to let trump's tweets drive yes or no questions to avoid the real issue - so many more people in the US (by proportion of population) because of its gun culture.




If at first you don't succeed - employ reductive questioning to achieve the desired gotcha.



yawn

Yup, it's another passive aggressive poppys shitpost

lol
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Reply #436 posted 09/13/19 4:29pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the first step the left should do is to stop making up lies and speaking out of pure ignorance.

for example: most shootings and most mass shootings are carried out with hand guns. Most deaths are self inflicted... of the 30K each year about 20K are suicides and 10K are murders. So when a liar like the fake-Mexican Francs O belly aches about 30K deaths by gun violence as a reason to ban assault rifles any reasonable human would know he is a lair.


The fact that I have challenged many of the gun grabbing paranoid anti-civil rights people the very simple question of what makes a rifle an assault rifle and not a single time has anyone ever given an answer that would, if used as a basis for a ban not result in many other wide bans of both long guns and hand guns.

Just stop the lies and admit the calls to ban assault rifles is really a step to banning all guns....

oh and as cops have unjustly killed more people than the NRA has it is safe to say that those who hate civil rights must also want all cops to be disarmed. Either you are for cops shooting unarmed black men in the back or you are against it...

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There is so much wrong with this post and it is why the US cannot solve the problem of gun violence. This is just the next phase in the process that is used to prevent any resolution as above:

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4 Reconsider the extremes to something more practical. This is where people in places similar to the US do this better - They still balance different beliefs and solutions but they are not so constrained by what groups like the NRA and gun lobbyists and those obsessed with specific interpretations of the constitution will accept.

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It is at point 4 that things (not just this thread) go south and any good proposed gets bogged down and lost in personal arguments, in political arguments, in arguments on what is acceptable conduct, acceptable types of weapons, acceptable contraints on gun violence etc. All the political plays we see here.

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It is not a left vs right issue: It is a about being left alive vs the right to kill.

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The types of guns used in the types of mass shootings being discussed in this thread are not mainly hand guns. It is not lies or ignorance to reflect on the fact that most of these types of mass shootings use the typs of guns that they actually use.

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People are not anti-civil rights or civil rights haters: they are anti gun violence, anti the destructive nature of US gun culture. If the application of civil right is killing people at 10 times the rate it killed people in equivalent nations, it is not the right that is to blame - recognising the right to bear arms so you can form a well ordered militia is not the issue. It is the acceptance of the right a being more important than each and every one of these lives lost not matter how it is lost - Be that:

.

- your daughter killed in a mass shooting by a person pushing an extemist agenda with all their assult rifles,

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- your son killed because you did not put a gun away safely,

.

- your father lost to suicide,

.

- your spouse shot in an argument over a spilled drink,

.

- your neighbour shot by a life member of the NRA in a minor traffic incident,

.

- your aunty in the police who is forced to choose between serving the people and the risk that, with so many guns and so many nut-jobs who think it is OK to kill enough people so the other side surrenders, that she may have to shoot first in case they try to shoot,

.

- Your brother killed in break in because criminals know that so many people have guns that they need them and need to be prepared to use them.

.

- Yourself because, after you passed all the checks, you developed a mental health issue, got saked or rejected and reaching for a gun is a civil right but access to mental health facilities is not and on and one and on...

.

If you find a way to break the sick and destructive gun violence culture in the USA, then the bearing of arms poses little or no threat or issues. it is the combination of your death culture and guns.

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Reply #437 posted 09/13/19 4:35pm

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IanRG said:



. it is the combination of your death culture and guns.


This we agree on.
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Reply #438 posted 09/13/19 4:37pm

IanRG

guitarslinger44 said:

IanRG said:

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If you still think I have not answered this then you need to learn to read.

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It is far to important to understand and prevent future mass shootins than to let trump's tweets drive yes or no questions to avoid the real issue - so many more people in the US (by proportion of population) because of its gun culture.

Again with the dodging. Curbing all the notoriety news coverage gives shooters would be a step towards glorifying the acts and help prevent future shootings. I honestly don't think you understand US culture all that well if you think all those things you posted before are exactly the same elsewhere as they are here. A few of them are, I'll give you that, but a lot of them are very different, and I say this as someone who's done quite a bit of travelling.

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No dodging at all. Look back and see how many times I said in this thread and others that the media can be part of the solution by following Jacinda Ardern's lead by not giving the perp a name or a platform for their agenda.

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Learn to read. (and construct sentences - I hope you don't want any steps towards glorifying the acts and you meant "would be a step towards not glorifying the acts".

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Reply #439 posted 09/13/19 4:51pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the first step the left should do is to stop making up lies and speaking out of pure ignorance.

for example: most shootings and most mass shootings are carried out with hand guns. Most deaths are self inflicted... of the 30K each year about 20K are suicides and 10K are murders. So when a liar like the fake-Mexican Francs O belly aches about 30K deaths by gun violence as a reason to ban assault rifles any reasonable human would know he is a lair.


The fact that I have challenged many of the gun grabbing paranoid anti-civil rights people the very simple question of what makes a rifle an assault rifle and not a single time has anyone ever given an answer that would, if used as a basis for a ban not result in many other wide bans of both long guns and hand guns.

Just stop the lies and admit the calls to ban assault rifles is really a step to banning all guns....

oh and as cops have unjustly killed more people than the NRA has it is safe to say that those who hate civil rights must also want all cops to be disarmed. Either you are for cops shooting unarmed black men in the back or you are against it...

.

There is so much wrong with this post and it is why the US cannot solve the problem of gun violence. This is just the next phase in the process that is used to prevent any resolution as above:

.

4 Reconsider the extremes to something more practical. This is where people in places similar to the US do this better - They still balance different beliefs and solutions but they are not so constrained by what groups like the NRA and gun lobbyists and those obsessed with specific interpretations of the constitution will accept.

.

It is at point 4 that things (not just this thread) go south and any good proposed gets bogged down and lost in personal arguments, in political arguments, in arguments on what is acceptable conduct, acceptable types of weapons, acceptable contraints on gun violence etc. All the political plays we see here.

.

It is not a left vs right issue: It is a about being left alive vs the right to kill.

.

The types of guns used in the types of mass shootings being discussed in this thread are not mainly hand guns. It is not lies or ignorance to reflect on the fact that most of these types of mass shootings use the typs of guns that they actually use.

.

People are not anti-civil rights or civil rights haters: they are anti gun violence, anti the destructive nature of US gun culture. If the application of civil right is killing people at 10 times the rate it killed people in equivalent nations, it is not the right that is to blame - recognising the right to bear arms so you can form a well ordered militia is not the issue. It is the acceptance of the right a being more important than each and every one of these lives lost not matter how it is lost - Be that:

.

- your daughter killed in a mass shooting by a person pushing an extemist agenda with all their assult rifles,

.

- your son killed because you did not put a gun away safely,

.

- your father lost to suicide,

.

- your spouse shot in an argument over a spilled drink,

.

- your neighbour shot by a life member of the NRA in a minor traffic incident,

.

- your aunty in the police who is forced to choose between serving the people and the risk that, with so many guns and so many nut-jobs who think it is OK to kill enough people so the other side surrenders, that she may have to shoot first in case they try to shoot,

.

- Your brother killed in break in because criminals know that so many people have guns that they need them and need to be prepared to use them.

.

- Yourself because, after you passed all the checks, you developed a mental health issue, got saked or rejected and reaching for a gun is a civil right but access to mental health facilities is not and on and one and on...

.

If you find a way to break the sick and destructive gun violence culture in the USA, then the bearing of arms poses little or no threat or issues. it is the combination of your death culture and guns.

says who? the topic is about preventing mass shootings... not prevening mass shooting with certin kinds of guns...


I would Hope that I would have the moral strength to never give up a right based on personal loss.

if one changes their mind due to it hitting close to home they lack moral fiber.


If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #440 posted 09/13/19 4:56pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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It is not a left vs right issue: It is a about being left alive vs the right to kill.

.

The types of guns used in the types of mass shootings being discussed in this thread are not mainly hand guns. It is not lies or ignorance to reflect on the fact that most of these types of mass shootings use the typs of guns that they actually use.

.

People are not anti-civil rights or civil rights haters: they are anti gun violence, anti the destructive nature of US gun culture. If the application of civil right is killing people at 10 times the rate it killed people in equivalent nations, it is not the right that is to blame - recognising the right to bear arms so you can form a well ordered militia is not the issue. It is the acceptance of the right a being more important than each and every one of these lives lost not matter how it is lost - Be that:

.

- your daughter killed in a mass shooting by a person pushing an extemist agenda with all their assult rifles,

.

- your son killed because you did not put a gun away safely,

.

- your father lost to suicide,

.

- your spouse shot in an argument over a spilled drink,

.

- your neighbour shot by a life member of the NRA in a minor traffic incident,

.

- your aunty in the police who is forced to choose between serving the people and the risk that, with so many guns and so many nut-jobs who think it is OK to kill enough people so the other side surrenders, that she may have to shoot first in case they try to shoot,

.

- Your brother killed in break in because criminals know that so many people have guns that they need them and need to be prepared to use them.

.

- Yourself because, after you passed all the checks, you developed a mental health issue, got saked or rejected and reaching for a gun is a civil right but access to mental health facilities is not and on and one and on...

.

If you find a way to break the sick and destructive gun violence culture in the USA, then the bearing of arms poses little or no threat or issues. it is the combination of your death culture and guns.

says who? the topic is about preventing mass shootings... not prevening mass shooting with certin kinds of guns...


I would Hope that I would have the moral strength to never give up a right based on personal loss.

if one changes their mind due to it hitting close to home they lack moral fiber.


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Says the OP. It references El Paso and Dayton, not all the domestic violence style murder/suicides.

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If your morals excuse the level of gun violence in the US, then the fibre is already lost.

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Reply #441 posted 09/13/19 5:06pm

poppys

There's nothing passive about me. It's the straightforward part that some people can't deal with.

org rules - criticize ideas, not people.

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Reply #442 posted 09/13/19 9:03pm

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IanRG said:



guitarslinger44 said:


IanRG said:


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If you still think I have not answered this then you need to learn to read.


.


It is far to important to understand and prevent future mass shootins than to let trump's tweets drive yes or no questions to avoid the real issue - so many more people in the US (by proportion of population) because of its gun culture.



Again with the dodging. Curbing all the notoriety news coverage gives shooters would be a step towards glorifying the acts and help prevent future shootings. I honestly don't think you understand US culture all that well if you think all those things you posted before are exactly the same elsewhere as they are here. A few of them are, I'll give you that, but a lot of them are very different, and I say this as someone who's done quite a bit of travelling.

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No dodging at all. Look back and see how many times I said in this thread and others that the media can be part of the solution by following Jacinda Ardern's lead by not giving the perp a name or a platform for their agenda.


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Learn to read. (and construct sentences - I hope you don't want any steps towards glorifying the acts and you meant "would be a step towards not glorifying the acts".



I read very well which is why I'm able to call out your lack of reading comprehension. And boo hoo, I left out a word and you still understood what I meant. nuts You could stand to leave out more words.

I don't know what sort of "solution" media could be a part of other than simply reporting the facts without the body counts, killer info, manifesto insights, and weapon details. I don't know what news is like where you live, but here we end up knowing way way too much.

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Reply #443 posted 09/13/19 9:58pm

IanRG

guitarslinger44 said:

IanRG said:

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No dodging at all. Look back and see how many times I said in this thread and others that the media can be part of the solution by following Jacinda Ardern's lead by not giving the perp a name or a platform for their agenda.

.

Learn to read. (and construct sentences - I hope you don't want any steps towards glorifying the acts and you meant "would be a step towards not glorifying the acts".

I read very well which is why I'm able to call out your lack of reading comprehension. And boo hoo, I left out a word and you still understood what I meant. nuts You could stand to leave out more words. I don't know what sort of "solution" media could be a part of other than simply reporting the facts without the body counts, killer info, manifesto insights, and weapon details. I don't know what news is like where you live, but here we end up knowing way way too much.

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Except you were wrong when you called me out - the abstract did not say anything about copycats, just as I said but you failed to read and understand.

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You are also wrong in your interpretation of what I have been saying. And the above shows you still don't get it. Actually, I think you do get it, but this does not help your position, which is to blame anything else but the gun culture in the USA, just as trump does, so you pretend not to get it. How you imagine the media can be part of the solution is what I have been saying all along but you deliberately miss this. The media should also keep on pressing on how the governments of the USA are failing to act and this is killing people everyday.

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IanRG said:



guitarslinger44 said:


IanRG said:


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No dodging at all. Look back and see how many times I said in this thread and others that the media can be part of the solution by following Jacinda Ardern's lead by not giving the perp a name or a platform for their agenda.


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Learn to read. (and construct sentences - I hope you don't want any steps towards glorifying the acts and you meant "would be a step towards not glorifying the acts".



I read very well which is why I'm able to call out your lack of reading comprehension. And boo hoo, I left out a word and you still understood what I meant. nuts You could stand to leave out more words. I don't know what sort of "solution" media could be a part of other than simply reporting the facts without the body counts, killer info, manifesto insights, and weapon details. I don't know what news is like where you live, but here we end up knowing way way too much.

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Except you were wrong when you called me out - the abstract did not say anything about copycats, just as I said but you failed to read and understand.


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You are also wrong in your interpretation of what I have been saying. And the above shows you still don't get it. Actually, I think you do get it, but this does not help your position, which is to blame anything else but the gun culture in the USA, just as trump does, so you pretend not to get it. How you imagine the media can be part of the solution is what I have been saying all along but you deliberately miss this. The media should also keep on pressing on how the governments of the USA are failing to act and this is killing people everyday.

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You keep bringing up "the abstract" but that's what YOURE making it about. We can extrapolate that similarities between these crimes mean that there were influences from previous crimes and for whatever reason, you don't want to admit that, probably because, again, you don't understand the US and its culture and would rather just make sweeping generalization based on what you think you know. I even posted a quote where one of the people involved with the study said "yes we think this is probably the case based on what we know" and yet you're still talking about " the abstract." Stop,

There's a lot that needs to be done to help this issue and I've said before, I've said before I DONT UNDERSTAND GUN CULTURE AND I THINK US CULTURE IN GENERAL IS A BIG PART OF THE ISSUE but those things don't exist in a vacuum and instead of helping the issue, the media here just makes it worse. You don't live here, you don't see the media here, stop acting like you understand things you clearly don't.

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Reply #445 posted 09/14/19 12:44pm

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Hah!

It's funny how I get called names like "Paranoid" when I suggest that some in power or who are seeking power want to ban guns... even when they say they intend to...

or that I am paranoid when I say I someday may need a gun to protect myself... which is inonic and flat out contradictory! See if it is unreasonable for me to think I may someday need to defend myself then it is not reasonable to say we need to ban any guns or even pass any new laws.

but no one will get that point... they are just on their agenda and that is all they know.

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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The biggie is the background checks. End private sales.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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2freaky4church1 said:

The biggie is the background checks. End private sales.

so then no gun bans? Why end private sales? what if I want to give a gun away? or loan a gun?


you know that if universal background checks came to be it would mean that people would set up small businesses doing the background checks...


If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The biggie is the background checks. End private sales.

so then no gun bans? Why end private sales? what if I want to give a gun away? or loan a gun?


you know that if universal background checks came to be it would mean that people would set up small businesses doing the background checks...


You don't even own a gun, so how can you loan one?

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guitarslinger44 said:

IanRG said:

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Except you were wrong when you called me out - the abstract did not say anything about copycats, just as I said but you failed to read and understand.

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You are also wrong in your interpretation of what I have been saying. And the above shows you still don't get it. Actually, I think you do get it, but this does not help your position, which is to blame anything else but the gun culture in the USA, just as trump does, so you pretend not to get it. How you imagine the media can be part of the solution is what I have been saying all along but you deliberately miss this. The media should also keep on pressing on how the governments of the USA are failing to act and this is killing people everyday.

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You keep bringing up "the abstract" but that's what YOURE making it about. We can extrapolate that similarities between these crimes mean that there were influences from previous crimes and for whatever reason, you don't want to admit that, probably because, again, you don't understand the US and its culture and would rather just make sweeping generalization based on what you think you know. I even posted a quote where one of the people involved with the study said "yes we think this is probably the case based on what we know" and yet you're still talking about " the abstract." Stop, There's a lot that needs to be done to help this issue and I've said before, I've said before I DONT UNDERSTAND GUN CULTURE AND I THINK US CULTURE IN GENERAL IS A BIG PART OF THE ISSUE but those things don't exist in a vacuum and instead of helping the issue, the media here just makes it worse. You don't live here, you don't see the media here, stop acting like you understand things you clearly don't. [Edited 9/14/19 10:46am]

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It was you brought the abstract up again. I was answering your false claim that you called me out for not reading when I spoke about the contents of the abstract - I read the abstract and the abstract did not say what you said it said. If you want to move on from this, don't keep bringing it up.

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You are argung semantics. We agree that the gun culture is the key cause of the massive number of deaths in the US compared to its equivalents. We agree that the media can be part of solution by changing how it reports these mass shootings. We agree that copycatting exists, especially within the first 7 days so the media following Jacinda Ardern's lead on denying the perp their name and oxygen for their manifesto is a good thing. We see the same news: Australia gets Fox, MSNBC, CNN, the US ABC News, PBS news, Washington Post, Time, Rolling Stone, Huffington news, Breitbart, Facebook etc, etc, etc. Rupert Murdoch comes from Australia and only gave up his citizenship because US regulations required it - what he does where you are, he practiced and refined in Australia first.

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Stop seeking to blame others and address the the issue. Your need to blame the media in line with trump's tweets is like blaming people for talking about suicide following a suicide and this leading more suicides. It is not the people talking about its fault, but how they talk about it can be part of the solution.

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