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Thread started 08/04/19 5:12am

Ugot2shakesumt
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Don’t Shoot The Messenger -news media, social media, profit, politics, division and manipulation

I find this topic fascinating. So many points of contact. So many divergent points of interest and motives.
It's a fascinating social experiment going on in manipulating the masses. The biggest in the history of humanity.

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First it was word of mouth. Make accusations within a group and sit back and watch.

Then it was the printing press. Whoever controlled it could sway the masses.

Then it was television and radio. Third world dictators would ban it or want to have full control of everything said.

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Now with the internet, its become a world wide outlet and forum. And likewise third world dictators ban or try to control what is being said.
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Advertising.

That's really all its is.
Effective. Yes it is.
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Whether the message is the product or not. Whether the message is trying to sway you or not, the advertisers from the message certainly are.

The platforms fom the messages certainly are,

Clickbait works for advertising.

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This is a huge topic and it's simply fascinating.

Left Right Center, political or non political, you are part of it.

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here are a couple of interesting links on Youtube on the subject.

manipulating YouTube

https://youtu.be/1PGm8LslEb4

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Why your news feed sucks

https://youtu.be/MUiYglgGbos

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manipulating Facebook

https://youtu.be/FY_NtO7SIrY

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who is manipulating twitter

https://youtu.be/V-1RhQ1uuQ4

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Social media should be subscription based. That alone would solve a lot of the problems it has, because their business model is a major part of the issue. It's predatory and it's dangerous psychologically.
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The worst players use automated systems that continually try to work around whatever safeguards are in place. The social media platforms have tried various ways to to create speed bumps to cause friction between the automated systems from posting.
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The bully pulpit of individuals or groups such as the President of the US or a news organization or blogger need to be held accountable for their words and actions from such. I think making sure there is some way to have accountability is the biggest deterrent which is why a lot of players try and obfuscate or hide their involvements.
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We all value free speech and one persons censorship is another’s idea of protection. See China, Iran, North Korea and Alex Jones.
The best intentioned actions will have undesired consequences.
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Reply #3 posted 08/05/19 6:44am

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...and here it is.
the reason for this thread was when the usual suspects here began taking to board in unison and this talking point became evident to distract from the discussions about the tragedies.

pathetic.

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In his latest tweet, Anal D Turd tries to shift the blane from himself to the media for the mayhem.

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Donal J. trump

The Media has a big responsibility to life and safety in our Country. Fake News has contributed greatly to the anger and rage that has built up over many years. News coverage has got to start being fair, balanced and unbiased, or these terrible problems will only get worse!

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Reply #4 posted 08/05/19 6:56am

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guitarslinger44 said:

Social media should be subscription based. That alone would solve a lot of the problems it has, because their business model is a major part of the issue. It's predatory and it's dangerous psychologically.

I don't disagree with this. However, you could never get all forms of social media to become subscription based, and if the main players did, then folks would just go elsewhere.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #5 posted 08/05/19 6:59am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

...and here it is.
the reason for this thread was when the usual suspects here began taking to board in unison and this talking point became evident to distract from the discussions about the tragedies.

pathetic.

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In his latest tweet, Anal D Turd tries to shift the blane from himself to the media for the mayhem.

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Donal J. trump

The Media has a big responsibility to life and safety in our Country. Fake News has contributed greatly to the anger and rage that has built up over many years. News coverage has got to start being fair, balanced and unbiased, or these terrible problems will only get worse!

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Exactly, and he is the one who does not want a fair, balanced, and unbiased media.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #6 posted 08/05/19 7:27am

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maplenpg said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

...and here it is.
the reason for this thread was when the usual suspects here began taking to board in unison and this talking point became evident to distract from the discussions about the tragedies.

pathetic.

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In his latest tweet, Anal D Turd tries to shift the blane from himself to the media for the mayhem.

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Donal J. trump

[Edited 8/5/19 6:50am]

Exactly, and he is the one who does not want a fair, balanced, and unbiased media.


nod we know he does not get info from any ^ but he is still obsessed with seeing what most say about him. #narcissist

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
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Reply #7 posted 08/05/19 9:29am

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While listening to Persistent Turd's response to the mass shootings I mentioned that I found one part particularly scary. (Not that I don't fond most of what he says scary)

Why does it seem most of his rhetoric harkens to the worst third world dictators or fascist?

Trump calls for social media companies to ‘detect mass shooters before they strike’

https://www.theverge.com/...ayton-ohio

While delivering a speech on the recent violence, Trump said “we must do a better job of identifying and acting on early warning signs,” and he suggested social media companies could develop new ways of catching “red flags.”

“DETECT MASS SHOOTERS BEFORE THEY STRIKE”

“I am directing the Department of Justice to work in partnership with local state and federal agencies, as well as social media companies, to develop tools that can detect mass shooters before they strike,” Trump said in the speech.

While the president did not specify what those “tools” might look like, Trump seemed to be suggesting that companies could use predictive software to single out potential shooters based on their activity on a platform. Crucially, this would mean taking action before a person commits violent crimes. Data-mining tools are in wide use, but creating a detection system for violence would inevitably raise a host of privacy and accountability issues.

Trump, who suggested on Twitter earlier in the morning that the news media “contributed greatly to the anger and rage” in the United States, also used his time at the podium to condemn “gruesome and grizzly video games that are now commonplace,” saying they create a culture that “celebrates violence.”

Trump’s speech, however, largely skirted the question of gun control legislation. On Twitter today, the president also called for bipartisan work on “strong background checks” but suggested tying it to changes in immigration law.

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Reply #8 posted 08/05/19 11:51am

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maplenpg said:

guitarslinger44 said:

Social media should be subscription based. That alone would solve a lot of the problems it has, because their business model is a major part of the issue. It's predatory and it's dangerous psychologically.

I don't disagree with this. However, you could never get all forms of social media to become subscription based, and if the main players did, then folks would just go elsewhere.


Why not though? If a social media site is TRULY important to its users, then I'm sure they would be willing to pay to use it. I think most people would pay for things like FB, twitter, snapchat, etc because that's where people already are.

If nothing else, it would improve the post quality.

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Reply #9 posted 08/05/19 11:54am

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guitarslinger44 said:

maplenpg said:

I don't disagree with this. However, you could never get all forms of social media to become subscription based, and if the main players did, then folks would just go elsewhere.


Why not though? If a social media site is TRULY important to its users, then I'm sure they would be willing to pay to use it. I think most people would pay for things like FB, twitter, snapchat, etc because that's where people already are.

If nothing else, it would improve the post quality.


naw those platforms would die.

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Reply #10 posted 08/05/19 12:21pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said:


Why not though? If a social media site is TRULY important to its users, then I'm sure they would be willing to pay to use it. I think most people would pay for things like FB, twitter, snapchat, etc because that's where people already are.

If nothing else, it would improve the post quality.


naw those platforms would die.

I agree - in aheartbeat.

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
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Reply #11 posted 08/05/19 12:31pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:


naw those platforms would die.

I agree - in aheartbeat.

..and if people had to pay for Twitter or Facebook, how would that make them better? People dumb enough to pay for it, or people having a vested interest in seeing their "opinions" posted would automatically make it better?

i don't think so..

those platforms are ubiquitous because they're free. The platforms are the bait and users are the product.

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Reply #12 posted 08/05/19 2:12pm

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The founder of 8chan, the anonymous online messaging board that's a haven for extremist content, calls for the site to be shut down

https://www.businessinsid...ing-2019-8

  • The founder of 8chan, the internet messaging board that's become a haven for extremist content online, is calling for the site to be shut down after the recent mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, which left 20 people dead and dozens more injured.
  • Fredrick Brennan, who founded the site in 2013 but cut ties with it in December, called on the site's owners to shut it down. "The board is a receptive audience for domestic terrorists," he said.
  • Brennan's comments come as authorities say they are investigating an anti-imm... manifesto that circulated online in the hours before the El Paso shooting.
  • CloudFlare, an online security service that hosted 8chan on its network, announced Sunday night that it would be terminating its service with 8chan in response to the massacre.

The founder of 8chan, an internet messaging board that is a haven for extremist content online, is calling for the site to be shut down after the recent mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, which left 20 people dead and dozens more injured.

Fredrick Brennan, a software developer who founded the site in 2013 but cut ties with it in December, told The Washington Post on Sunday that the site is a "receptive audience for domestic terrorists."

"Once again, a terrorist used 8chan to spread his message as he knew people would save it and spread it," Brennan told The Post. "The board is a receptive audience for domestic terrorists."

He added that the site's owners should "do the world a favor and shut it off."

Brennan's comments come as authorities say they are investigating an anti-imm... manifesto that circulated online in the hours before the deadly El Paso shooting. El Paso Police Chief Greg Allen told reporters on Saturday that they were working to determine whether the suspected shooter had written the racist document.

Police identified the suspect as a 21-year-old white male from Allen, Texas. The manifesto expresses discriminatory views toward Hispanic people and conveys a fear that Hispanic people would take over Texas and turn the state into a "Democrat stronghold."

A Justice Department official said the case was being treated as a "domestic terrorist" case. Another mass shooting occ...yton, Ohio, hours after the El Paso attack; it left nine dead and 27 wounded.

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Reply #13 posted 08/05/19 2:16pm

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Beto O'Rourke slams media for its handling of mass shooting coverage, says Trump is 'inciting violence'

https://www.usatoday.com/...919645001/

WASHINGTON – Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke, D-Texas, slammed the media for what he saw as a failure to "connect the dots" between President Donald Trump's rhetoric and the El Paso, Texas, mass shooting that took the lives of at least 22 people and is being investigated as a potential hate crime.

O'Rourke, a Democratic presidential candidate, represented El Paso in the House of Representatives from January 2013 to January 2019. He had been speaking at a vigil for victims of the shooting when he was asked what he thought Trump could do to make things better.

The question seemed to strike a nerve with O'Rourke.

“What do you think? You know the sh-- he’s been saying. He’s been calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals," O'Rourke said in a video posted by Sky News. "I don’t know, like, members of the press, what the f---?”

O'Rourke continued by telling the media to "connect the dots" between Trump and the violence.

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Reply #14 posted 08/05/19 6:06pm

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The bizarre life of 8chan owner Jim Watkins, the middle-age veteran who decamped to the Philippines and runs a pig farm

https://www.businessinsid...ife-2019-8

  • Over the weekend, 22 people were killed and more than two dozen others were injured in a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.
  • A manifesto said to be from the shooting suspect appeared beforehand on an anonymous web forum named 8chan, which is owned and operated by Jim Watkins and his company, NT Technology. 8chan is offline as of Monday.
  • Watkins is an American expatriate who now lives in the Philippines, where he owns a pig farm in addition to operating 8chan.

Fredrick Brennan, the founder of 8chan, is no longer connected to the site.

As of 2014, the official owner and operator of the site is Watkins. The two worked as a pair for a while, with Brennan handling the tech side and Watkins handling logistics.

That has since fallen apart, and Brennan has become an outspoken critic of the site in the wake of multiple shootings being tied to 8chan members.

"Do the world a favor and shut it off," Brennan told The Washington Post this week.

The shooting in El Paso, Texas, over the weekend, where 22 people were kill...re injured, was the latest example: The shooting suspect is believed to have posted a manifesto on 8chan just before the shooting.

"Once again, a terrorist used 8chan to spread his message as he knew people would save it and spread it," Brennan told The Post. "The board is a receptive audience for domestic terrorists."

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Outside of his twisted soul and drive, Jack the Ripper, did he do what he did just to satisfy a dark need inside or did he do any of this for recognition.

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I think with increased media overage those that put out the threat (warning of a school bombing that never happened/wasn't going to happen) those that actually carry out a bombing/shooting et I believe the thrill of turning peoples lives upside down (like those who for fun create computer viruses and malware) want to be noticed. Increased media attention makes it all the more exciting. In a world where we have 'Houswives' shows that make 'regular' people famous just for airing their lives for the world to see, where people feel the need to share every aspect of their lives on FB/Twitter/Inst etc And more and more people are isolated in society. Sociiopathology is on the rise.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

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Is poverty bringing U down?
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Reply #16 posted 08/06/19 7:00am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Outside of his twisted soul and drive, Jack the Ripper, did he do what he did just to satisfy a dark need inside or did he do any of this for recognition.

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I think with increased media overage those that put out the threat (warning of a school bombing that never happened/wasn't going to happen) those that actually carry out a bombing/shooting et I believe the thrill of turning peoples lives upside down (like those who for fun create computer viruses and malware) want to be noticed. Increased media attention makes it all the more exciting. In a world where we have 'Houswives' shows that make 'regular' people famous just for airing their lives for the world to see, where people feel the need to share every aspect of their lives on FB/Twitter/Inst etc And more and more people are isolated in society. Sociiopathology is on the rise.

Absolutely. I agree that's a contributing factor. Instagram alone proves this out. It's part of the human condition to share and be acknowledged. And twisted individuals can take it to extreme levels.
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We as adults can see this, and perhaps a troubled young mind can't.
it will always be about calculating a way of protecting individual freedoms while/vs protecting public safety.

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https://www.cjr.org/analy...verage.php

What we learned from analyzing thousands of stories on the Christchurch shooting

Our team used Media Cloud, an open-source media collection and analysis tool developed at MIT's Center for Civic Media and Harvard's Berkman Klein Center, to analyze 6,337 stories in 508 national-level English-language news sources in New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States. We found a mix of good and bad news for campaigns such as No Notoriety.

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We examined the stories we retrieved for compliance with seven guidelines, compiled from No Notoriety and other campaigns that seek to limit the amplification of terrorist acts through media. While media justice campaigns often seek out journalists as conduits of change, we also expanded our analysis to assess whether internet culture reflects journalistic choices about whether to list the name or ideology of the attacker. We coded for compliance with the following best practices:

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Don't publish the shooter's name.

Don't link to or publish the name of the forum that the shooter posted on to promote the attacks. Don't link to or publish the name of the shooter's manifesto.

Don't describe or detail the shooter's ideology.

Don't publish or name specific memes linked to the shooter's ideology.

Don't refer to the shooter as a troll or his actions as trolling.

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Follow the AP guidelines for using the term "alt-right" (contain it within quotation marks or modify it with language such as "so-called" or "self-described").

In addition, we coded for stories that focused specifically on the victims or mentioned Islamophobia as a cause in the killings. The graph below shows what guidelines publications in different countries violated.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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Propaganda is very important in mass manipulation. Fox News is one of the best at it. Which brings us to Tucker Carlson.

Tucker, one of Fox News top propaganda officials is taking a "vacation" after his recent comments that White supremacists are not real/not a problem whatsoever started catching heat from people with brain cells and sponsors were bailing.

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Fox News decided that if they hide him for a little bit, and let the the dust settles and people start lose interest, he can come back and continue to spew his right-wing hate on his high rated propaganda show.

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'CALM DOWN': TUCKER CARLSON RESPONDS TO BACKLASH AFTER SAYING WHITE SUPREMACY A 'HOAX

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https://www.newsweek.com/...ax-1453339

When Fox News host Tucker Carlson called white supremacy "a hoax" and a "conspiracy theory used to divide the country" on Tuesday, #FireTuckerCarlson started to trend on social. Carlson responded to the backlash, telling his viewers to "calm down."

"We want to take a second to pass on a sincere message to official Washington, and particularly to our colleagues on other cable news channels, and it's this: Please, for the sake of the nation, calm down," Carlson said.

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He went on to elaborate more on why people should calm down, saying, "This is not a white supremacist country plotting the slaughter of its own people. It's a kind country full of decent people of all races who like all people everywhere make bad decisions from time to time. But they mean well and they generally try their best."

Carlson also announced that he would be taking some time off, which was already planned. "I am taking several days off—headed to the wilderness to fish with my son," Carlson said on Tucker Carlson Tonight. "Politics is important, fishing with your son, sometimes more important. So I'm doing it."

Tucker Carlson Goes on Vacation After Calling White Supremacy a ‘Hoax,’ a Trend for Fox News Hosts in Trouble

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LOL yep, go away a little bit lol

His career is definately paid by propaganda and feeding cconspiracy's etc

You calm down Tucker

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Propaganda is very important in mass manipulation. Fox News is one of the best at it. Which brings us to Tucker Carlson.

Tucker, one of Fox News top propaganda officials is taking a "vacation" after his recent comments that White supremacists are not real/not a problem whatsoever started catching heat from people with brain cells and sponsors were bailing.

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Fox News decided that if they hide him for a little bit, and let the the dust settles and people start lose interest, he can come back and continue to spew his right-wing hate on his high rated propaganda show.

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'CALM DOWN': TUCKER CARLSON RESPONDS TO BACKLASH AFTER SAYING WHITE SUPREMACY A 'HOAX

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https://www.newsweek.com/...ax-1453339

When Fox News host Tucker Carlson called white supremacy "a hoax" and a "conspiracy theory used to divide the country" on Tuesday, #FireTuckerCarlson started to trend on social. Carlson responded to the backlash, telling his viewers to "calm down."

"We want to take a second to pass on a sincere message to official Washington, and particularly to our colleagues on other cable news channels, and it's this: Please, for the sake of the nation, calm down," Carlson said.

ES

He went on to elaborate more on why people should calm down, saying, "This is not a white supremacist country plotting the slaughter of its own people. It's a kind country full of decent people of all races who like all people everywhere make bad decisions from time to time. But they mean well and they generally try their best."

Carlson also announced that he would be taking some time off, which was already planned. "I am taking several days off—headed to the wilderness to fish with my son," Carlson said on Tucker Carlson Tonight. "Politics is important, fishing with your son, sometimes more important. So I'm doing it."

Tucker Carlson Goes on Vacation After Calling White Supremacy a ‘Hoax,’ a Trend for Fox News Hosts in Trouble

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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Why again Noam Chomsky is so important. He was the first to link pr propaganda to how business and foreign policy work.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #21 posted 08/09/19 7:57am

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Tips on how to find information. You know about how in science class. You use the scientific method. What is good about politics is most of the things that happen in the real world are easy, for the most part. You do need to know who the experts in a field are.

Sources: Use books peer reviewed. Books that come from College presses. Books from alternative presses that have a good history of being right. People that have been proven right, like Robert Fisk on middle east, Scott Atran on Islamic movements, Andrew Cockburn on military budget, Andrew Bacevich on foreign policy blunders, Alfie Kohn on education, Richard Wolff on economics.

Avoid all corporate think tanks. Atlantic Council, Council on Foreign Relations, CSIS, Brooking, Heritage, CATO...

Listen to what average people have to say, not what powerful people think. Zinn's People's History of America. He only has the words of abolishinists, feminists, workers, labor unions, blacks, communists, socialists, gays, immigrants, Indians, not powerful white men.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #22 posted 08/09/19 12:13pm

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It seems the video game lobby is not as effective as the gun lobby.

Note to video game lobby:

1. line the pockets of republican lawmakers

2.wrap yourselves around the flag.

3.Hire Larry the Cable Guy as a spokesman.

Walmart Bans Violent Imagery, But Not Gun Sales

https://www.npr.org/2019/...-gun-sales

After a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas that left 22 people dead, the company said it would remove all signs, displays or videos that depict violence from its stores in an internal memo.

However, the chain did not say it would stop selling firearms despite pressure from progressives and gun control advocates.

The memo instructed employees to remove marketing material that displays violent imagery, as well as to unplug or turn off video game consoles that show violent games. It also instructed employees to make sure that screens in its electronic departments don't display violence, like hunting videos.

Under the heading: "Immediate Action," employees were instructed to "Review your store for any signing or displays that contain violent images or aggressive behavior. Remove from the sales floor or turn off these items immediately."

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:



guitarslinger44 said:




maplenpg said:



I don't disagree with this. However, you could never get all forms of social media to become subscription based, and if the main players did, then folks would just go elsewhere.




Why not though? If a social media site is TRULY important to its users, then I'm sure they would be willing to pay to use it. I think most people would pay for things like FB, twitter, snapchat, etc because that's where people already are.

If nothing else, it would improve the post quality.




naw those platforms would die.



You really think two of the most popular ways of communicating would die because they asked people to pay like $5 a month? How old are you? lol

I don't really even use Facebook the site and I'd probably consider paying for it since it's like having a good Rolodex.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:


naw those platforms would die.

You really think two of the most popular ways of communicating would die because they asked people to pay like $5 a month? How old are you? lol I don't really even use Facebook the site and I'd probably consider paying for it since it's like having a good Rolodex. [Edited 8/9/19 14:21pm]

Absolutely!

Theyll die instantly!

i pay for Hulu, Spotify, Netflix, HBO, Showtime, Microsoft Office subscription, and iCloud storage, but fuck if I know anyone paying for Twitter, Facebook or Instagram.

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on the contrary, everyone I know, including myself want to CUT spending on services.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stopping-americas-next-hate-crime-killers-on-social-media-is-no-easy-task/ar-AAFzvx4?ocid=spartanntp

Stopping America's next hate-crime killers on social media is no easy task

By Sarah N. Lynch and Mark Hosenball
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WASHINGTON/LONDON (Reuters) - The pattern is clear: Hate-filled manifestos posted on websites populated by white supremacists, followed by gun attacks against blacks, Jews, Muslims, or Latin American immigrants.

In some cases, the killers use their internet posts to praise previous attacks by other white nationalists. And after new assaults, the manifestos get passed around, feeding the cycle of propaganda and violence.
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In some cases, the killers use their internet posts to praise previous attacks by other white nationalists. And after new assaults, the manifestos get passed around, feeding the cycle of propaganda and violence.

Following the racially-motivated attack that killed 22 people at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas, President Donald Trump said he wants police to do more to stop extremists who are active online before they can turn to murder.

But identifying and stopping the extremists who plan to launch an attack is much easier said than done.

Law enforcement experts say that the constitutional right of free speech means police cannot arrest someone simply on the basis of extremist rants online, unless they make a specific threat.

"You couldn’t just open a case on the words,” said Dave Gomez, a retired FBI agent who has worked on cases of both international and domestic terrorism.

"Posting something like that on the internet doesn’t harm anybody," he said, adding that police can only successfully investigate a white supremacist when you can "connect his words to an overt act."

The White House will discuss violent extremism online with representatives from a number of internet and technology companies on Friday, according to a White House spokesman.

Social media companies are reluctant to spy on or censor their users, though increasingly they are responding to demands that they take down obvious incitements to violence. And civil rights groups warn that tighter monitoring can lead to unconstitutional abuses of power

Another former FBI agent, who asked not to be identified, said closer monitoring of extremists' websites would anyway be unlikely to prevent new mass shootings.

"There is not enough manpower. There is not enough technology to properly monitor the internet," he said. "This is the number one thing we always say in law enforcement: 'You can’t stop crazy. You can’t even predict crazy.'”

Trump said after the mass shootings last weekend in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, that he would ask the Justice Department to work with local, state and federal agencies as well as social media companies "to develop tools that can detect mass shooters before they strike."

Even before those attacks, The FBI in early July requested bids for a contractor to help it detect national security threats by trawling through social media sites.

"The use of social media platforms by terrorist groups, domestic threats, foreign intelligence services, and criminal organizations to further their illegal activity creates a demonstrated need for tools to properly identify the activity and react appropriately," the FBI said in its request.

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a person holding a sign: A woman holds a placard bearing the likeness of a shooting target during a rally against the visit of U.S. President Donald Trump after last weekend's shooting at a Walmart store, in El Paso

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At least 27 people have been arrested over threats to commit mass attacks since the El Paso and Dayton shootings

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When authorities arrived Friday to arrest a 15-year-old in Florida after threats to commit a school shooting showed up on a video game platform, he told them he was joking, they said.

"I Dalton Barnhart vow to bring my fathers m15 to school and kill 7 people at a minimum," the boy wrote using a fake name, according to a Volusia County Sheriff's Office report.

The teen is one of more than two dozen people who have been arrested over threats to commit mass shootings since 31 people were killed in one weekend this month in shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio.

The raft of cases follows a directive by the FBI director immediately after the two early August massacres for agency offices nationwide to conduct a new threat assessment in an effort to thwart more mass attacks

The FBI was concerned that US-based domestic violent extremists could become inspired by the attacks to "engage in similar acts of violence," the agency said in a statement.

Indeed, it was a tip to the FBI that sent sheriff's deputies to the home of the Florida teen, the sheriff's report states. CNN is not naming him because he is a minor.

A woman who said the boy is her son told authorities that kids say things like that all the time and her child should not be treated like a terrorist, body-camera footage from the arrest shows.

Joke or not, such comments are a felony in Florida, the sheriff's department wrote on its Facebook page.

"After the mass violence we've seen in Florida and across the country, law enforcement officers have a responsibility to investigate and charge those who choose to make these types of threatening statements," the post states.

Here are the known threats with publicized arrests that law enforcement agencies have investigated since the Dayton and El Paso shootings:

August 4: A man from the Tampa area called a Walmart and told an employee he would shoot up the store, the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. The man faces a false threat charge.

August 7: Police in Weslaco, Texas, arrested a 13-year-old boy. The boy will face a charge of terroristic threat for making a social media post that prompted a Walmart to be evacuated, police said on Facebook. The boy's mother brought him to the station.

August 8: A man is accused of walking into a Walmart in Missouri equipped with body armor, a handgun and a rifle less than a week after a gunman killed 22 people in a Texas Walmart says it was a "social experiment" and not intended to cause panic. The 20-year-old was charged with making a terrorist threat.

August 9: A 23-year-old Las Vegas man is charged with possessing destructive devices after authorities found bomb-making materials at his home. The FBI says he was planning to attack a synagogue and a gay bar.

August 9: A 26-year-old Winter Park, Florida, man was arrested after investigators say he posted a threat on Facebook that he was about to have his gun returned and people should stay away from Walmart.

August 10: Officers responded to a threat a man posted on social media, the Harlingen, Texas, Police Department said in a statement. A man was arrested at his home on charges of making a terroristic threat.

August 11: A Palm Beach County, Florida, mother is accused of threatening to carry out a shooting at an elementary school because her children were being moved there, according to CNN affiliate WFTS. The 28-year-old woman is charged with sending a written threat to commit bodily injury.

August 11: A Mississippi teen is accused of making threats in the Lamar County School District, the agency says on Facebook.

August 12: Authorities charged an 18-year-old Ohio man who the FBI says threatened to assault federal law enforcement officers and showed support for mass shootings in a post online. Court documents say that the teen had a stockpile of weapons and ammunition.

August 12: A 25-year-old Jefferson County, West Virginia, man was arrested on charges of making terroristic threats online to kill people, according to CNN affiliate WDVM.

August 13: Albert Lea Police arrested and charged a 15-year-old Minnesota girl for threatening a school shooting on social media.

August 13: A man was arrested in Phoenix after police say he threatened to blow up an Army recruitment center, according to CNN affiliate KTVK.

August 15: A tip from a citizen led Connecticut authorities and the FBI to investigate and arrest a man who they said expressed an interest in committing a mass shooting on Facebook and had weapons and tactical gear, the FBI and Norwalk Police Department said.

August 15: A 15-year-old girl was arrested in Fresno, California, for posting a photo of a Walmart gun case with rifles displayed and the caption, "Don't come to school tomorrow," the city's police chief said. "The teen's very bright future is now stained by this," he said, adding she was booked with making terrorist threats.

August 16: A 15-year-old boy was taken into police custody in Volusia County, Florida, after investigators say he threatened to commit a school shooting in comments on a video game chat platform.

August 16: Two Mississippi juveniles were arrested in connection with threatening messages to two Tupelo schools, placing a school in partial lockdown, according to CNN affiliate WTVA.

August 16: A Florida man was arrested and charged with threatening to commit a mass shooting after his ex-girlfriend alerted authorities to a series of ominous text messages he sent her.

August 16: A 14-year-old in Arizona was arrested by Tempe Police after online threats were made against a school, according to CNN affiliate KNXV.

August 16: A Chicago man, 19, was arrested after police say he threatened to kill people at a women's reproductive health clinic on iFunny, a social media platform where users can post memes, federal prosecutors said Monday.

August 16: A 35-year-old Clarksburg, Maryland, resident was arrested in Seattle after being charged with threatening to kill people and calling for the "extermination" of Hispanics, according to a statement released by the US attorney for the Southern District of Florida.

August 17: New Middletown Police arrested a self-described white nationalist who they say threatened to shoot an Ohio Jewish community center.

August 18: A man was arrested in Reed City, Michigan, after authorities said he posted online videos making threats toward Ferris State University and other locations, according to CNN affiliate WXMI.

August 18: Claremore, Oklahoma, police arrested an 18-year-old who they say made social media threats against police officer families, according to a Facebook post from the Claremore Police Department.

August 19: A 38-year-old truck driver was arrested after making "credible threats to conduct a mass shooting and suicide" planned for Thursday, an FBI special agent said in a sworn affidavit filed in the Southern District of Alabama.

August 19: Maui Police arrested an 18-year-old man after a social media post claimed he intended to "shoot up a school," according to CNN affiliate KITV.

August 19: A 37-year-old Rapid City, South Dakota, man was arrested and charged with threatening to blow up state and federal government agencies, Pennington County Sheriff's Office said in a post on Facebook.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said: You really think two of the most popular ways of communicating would die because they asked people to pay like $5 a month? How old are you? lol I don't really even use Facebook the site and I'd probably consider paying for it since it's like having a good Rolodex. [Edited 8/9/19 14:21pm]

Absolutely!

Theyll die instantly!

i pay for Hulu, Spotify, Netflix, HBO, Showtime, Microsoft Office subscription, and iCloud storage, but fuck if I know anyone paying for Twitter, Facebook or Instagram.

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on the contrary, everyone I know, including myself want to CUT spending on services.


I think you underestimate most peoples' need for attention, connection and advertising.

Facebook is how most people get their news (LOL), that isn't a fad.

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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Absolutely!

Theyll die instantly!

i pay for Hulu, Spotify, Netflix, HBO, Showtime, Microsoft Office subscription, and iCloud storage, but fuck if I know anyone paying for Twitter, Facebook or Instagram.

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on the contrary, everyone I know, including myself want to CUT spending on services.


I think you underestimate most peoples' need for attention, connection and advertising.

Facebook is how most people get their news (LOL), that isn't a fad.

I know people who picked there Presidential choice by FB

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OldFriends4Sale said:

guitarslinger44 said:


I think you underestimate most peoples' need for attention, connection and advertising.

Facebook is how most people get their news (LOL), that isn't a fad.

I know people who picked there Presidential choice by FB


Not surprised by that in the least. Facebook accounts for literally half of all internet traffic now.

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