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Baltimore. Are Democrats really prepared to defend failure?

No, and no

Baltimore is one of the least livable, most dangerous cities in America. It's not racist to point that out.

Ask yourself honestly: Would you ever consider living in West Baltimore? And are you a racist if you say no?

Baltimore ranks in the top 10 of the least livable cities in America. Until this week, it was not controversial to point that out. But now that President Donald Trump has tweeted about Baltimore, it seems as though anyone who criticizes the awful conditions there is opening themselves up to charges of prejudice.

The flap began last week when Rep. Elijah Cummings, whose 7th district covers much of Baltimore City, lashed out at acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan at a hearing on conditions inside illegal alien detention centers. "What does that mean when a child is sitting in their own feces, can't take a shower?" Cummings shouted. "Come on, man. What's that about?"

President Trump responded with tweets saying Cummings' district was "FAR WORSE and more dangerous" than the detention facilities, "a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess." The president suggested Cummings focus more on cleaning up this "dangerous & filthy place" than on bullying in hearings about the border issue.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/07/30/trump-baltimore-sun-rats-elijah-cummings-mayor-bernie-sanders-column/1856666001/?fbclid=IwAR3GIAYDFviUjuLsYGrjtHNkkzqtn7vXu9jyrzZjEbP1xKDkZHGUdMoTyWw

The president's remarks were immediately denounced as racist by Democrats and the usual frantic pundits, even though the tweets had no racial content. Trump responded that "Democrats always play the Race Card, when in fact they have done so little for our Nation's great African American people."

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said Sunday that it was "unbelievable that we have a president of the United States who attacks American cities." But it was perfectly fine four years ago when Sanders said during a visit to West Baltimore, "Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood ... would think that you were in a Third World country."

Sanders' comment came in the wake of riots sparked by death of Freddie Gray while in police custody. Articles from that period routinely cited the city's endemic poverty as a root cause of the rioting. A typical 2015 report from the Associated Press noted that Baltimore "struggles daily with pervasive poverty and widespread joblessness, failing schools, drug addiction, a crumbling infrastructure and corruption."

President Barack Obama said then that difficult conditions in Baltimore required national "soul searching" — because the $1.8 billion stimulus bonanza he had lavished on the city didn't seem to solve anything.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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I was going to post something similar but was worried. 2Elijah may be too afraid to go after a mod. lol

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I'm sure everyone here understands Retalition.

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Well of course we all know that it's more important to not appear to be racist than to call out third world conditions in a first world country. This is why its amazing to me that the water issues in Flint are still going on. Flint COULD be fixed easily if only the people in charge cared enough to do it, but they don't, so people there get to live like it's Afghanistan. confused

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I was in Baltimore about a year ago for the first time. We were in the beautiful and thriving Inner Harbor area, and taking a stroll, within 5 blocks was in a rundown area surrounded by junkies (for the record, many I saw that day were White)...

This is obviously a city that has challenges and problems with crime and abandonment of buildings and all sorts of social ills. I wouldn't live in West Baltimore if I didn't have to. But as someone who grew up in what some ignorant people would consider "the hood ", I'm sure most of the people there are decent folks who didn't have the opportunities and structures that I was lucky to have. I don't consider them subhuman animals, like Trump and his base looks at them.

As I said in a different thread, it's one thing to mention these issues because you want to help fix them, and it's another thing to mention them because you want to mock and demean the area and it's residents. An intelligent person can discern the difference.
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Everyone should just watch two of the greatest shows in TV history- "The Wire" and "Homicide"- to get an analysis of that city and issues that exist in every city (and now increasingly in rural White America... Trump country)
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jjhunsecker said:

Everyone should just watch two of the greatest shows in TV history- "The Wire" and "Homicide"- to get an analysis of that city and issues that exist in every city (and now increasingly in rural White America... Trump country)


I'm rewatching 'The Wire' right now, and I think, with no hyperbole, that other than Sopranos, it may just be the best tv show ever made.

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OF4S, what are your politics? Nothing to the right of Progressive can defend complaining about what is economic neglect. The culprit is always global capitalism.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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jjhunsecker said:

I was in Baltimore about a year ago for the first time. We were in the beautiful and thriving Inner Harbor area, and taking a stroll, within 5 blocks was in a rundown area surrounded by junkies (for the record, many I saw that day were White)... This is obviously a city that has challenges and problems with crime and abandonment of buildings and all sorts of social ills. I wouldn't live in West Baltimore if I didn't have to. But as someone who grew up in what some ignorant people would consider "the hood ", I'm sure most of the people there are decent folks who didn't have the opportunities and structures that I was lucky to have. I don't consider them subhuman animals, like Trump and his base looks at them. As I said in a different thread, it's one thing to mention these issues because you want to help fix them, and it's another thing to mention them because you want to mock and demean the area and it's residents. An intelligent person can discern the difference.

right, that is the extreme part that 45 lacks. this place is also the USA, so the lack of tact just continues to reveal his divided intentions

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Reply #9 posted 07/31/19 2:43pm

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Trump called Cummings racist 2 days ago.

time.com 7/29/19

In the latest rhetorical shot at lawmakers of color, Trump said his weekend comments referring to Rep. Elijah Cummings’ majority-black Baltimore district as a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess” where “no human being would want to live” were not racist.

Instead, Trump argued, “if racist Elijah Cummings would focus more of his energy on helping the good people of his district, and Baltimore itself, perhaps progress could be made in fixing the mess.”

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poppys said:

Trump called Cummings racist 2 days ago.

time.com 7/29/19

In the latest rhetorical shot at lawmakers of color, Trump said his weekend comments referring to Rep. Elijah Cummings’ majority-black Baltimore district as a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess” where “no human being would want to live” were not racist.

Instead, Trump argued, “if racist Elijah Cummings would focus more of his energy on helping the good people of his district, and Baltimore itself, perhaps progress could be made in fixing the mess.”



Unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump is the one and only racist in this exchange.

Some here need to not lose sight of that.

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Well of course we all know that it's more important to not appear to be racist than to call out third world conditions in a first world country. This is why its amazing to me that the water issues in Flint are still going on. Flint COULD be fixed easily if only the people in charge cared enough to do it, but they don't, so people there get to live like it's Afghanistan. confused



Why are you amazed? Most of the people in Flint ( and Baltimore) are poor and generally non- White. Nobody gives 2 fucks about people like that.

Now if these things were happening in Park Slope in Brooklyn NY or the North Side of Chicago, it would be a whole different story
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I was going to post something similar but was worried. 2Elijah may be too afraid to go after a mod. lol


I don’t need to go after a mod. I have a right to my opinion, just like a mod or anyone else here, whether we agree or not.

My opinion has nothing to do with yours, so don’t act like you’re afraid to post it. I’m not required to have the same views as you or anyone else, or like the same elected officials/politicians/community activists, etc.

Secondly, it’s no secret that Baltimore has issues with crime, in need of economic development, a better police force, better education system, etc.

It just seems odd that all of a sudden trump criticizes Baltimore, and act as if he didn’t know problems existed there. He is only making comments about it, to attack the democrats and Elijah Cummings, because of the Mueller investigation. He really doesn’t give a rat’s ass about how African-Americans, in Baltimore are living. If all of a sudden he pulls a fast one and allow funds there, then it’s all political bs.

If he was really concerned, then he should have talked to his own son-in-law, about taking care of the rodent problem and other maintenance issues in the buildings Jared owns. From what I’ve read, only a few of the complaints were taken care of but not enough or Jared and his company, wouldn’t have 30,000 tenants filing a class action suit against them.
[Edited 7/31/19 15:12pm]
To the Latino, Black American and Caribbean communities in America. You are the communities trump dislikes and degrades. Use your vote to vote trump out of office.
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I was in Baltimore about a year ago for the first time. We were in the beautiful and thriving Inner Harbor area, and taking a stroll, within 5 blocks was in a rundown area surrounded by junkies (for the record, many I saw that day were White)...

This is obviously a city that has challenges and problems with crime and abandonment of buildings and all sorts of social ills. I wouldn't live in West Baltimore if I didn't have to. But as someone who grew up in what some ignorant people would consider "the hood ", I'm sure most of the people there are decent folks who didn't have the opportunities and structures that I was lucky to have. I don't consider them subhuman animals, like Trump and his base looks at them.

As I said in a different thread, it's one thing to mention these issues because you want to help fix them, and it's another thing to mention them because you want to mock and demean the area and it's residents. An intelligent person can discern the difference.

Exactly. clapping
To the Latino, Black American and Caribbean communities in America. You are the communities trump dislikes and degrades. Use your vote to vote trump out of office.
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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
I was in Baltimore about a year ago for the first time. We were in the beautiful and thriving Inner Harbor area, and taking a stroll, within 5 blocks was in a rundown area surrounded by junkies (for the record, many I saw that day were White)... This is obviously a city that has challenges and problems with crime and abandonment of buildings and all sorts of social ills. I wouldn't live in West Baltimore if I didn't have to. But as someone who grew up in what some ignorant people would consider "the hood ", I'm sure most of the people there are decent folks who didn't have the opportunities and structures that I was lucky to have. I don't consider them subhuman animals, like Trump and his base looks at them. As I said in a different thread, it's one thing to mention these issues because you want to help fix them, and it's another thing to mention them because you want to mock and demean the area and it's residents. An intelligent person can discern the difference.
Exactly. clapping



Double exactly. clapping

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Trump 'rodent' tweets ring true at Kushner-owned apartments

BALTIMORE — Davon Jones doesn't have to look far to see the irony in President Donald Trump's tweets that Baltimore is a "rat and rodent infested mess." His apartment owned by the president's son-in-law has been invaded by mice since he moved in a year ago.

"I don't know how they come in," Jones says. "Every time I catch them, they come right back."

Jared Kushner's family real estate firm owns thousands of apartments and townhomes in the Baltimore area, and some have been criticized for the same kind of disrepair and neglect that the president has accused local leaders of failing to address. Residents have complained about mold, bedbugs, leaks and, yes, mice — plenty of mice. And they say management appears in no hurry to fix the problems.

"They don't care," says Dezmond James, who says he has spotted as many as three mice a week since he moved in to the Commons at White Marsh in suburban Middle River four years ago.

James says he sees a massive contradiction in Trump's much-publicized tweets laying the blame for Baltimore's poverty, crime and rodent problems on frequent antagonist Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings. Trump, he said, should look more at what he — and specifically Kushner — could do about it.

"His son-in-law owns all of this — then he can fix it. I'm pretty sure he has a lot of money," says James, who is studying to be a medical assistant. "That's kind of weird that you want to talk trash. ... If you want to make improvements, you can make improvements."

Conditions got so bad two years ago that the Baltimore County government issued a release showing the Kushner Cos. had violated housing codes more than 200 times in just 10 months and only moved to fix the problems after being threatened with fines.

"I had black mold in my cabinets. I called them, I called them, I called them. And they never did anything," says Simone Ryer, who moved out of Whispering Woods in Middle River two years ago. "That was more than enough for me to leave."

In a statement, the Kushner Cos. said it was proud of its Baltimore-area apartments and has worked to maintain a "high quality residential experience for our tenants" by investing "substantial amounts" in upkeep.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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Reply #16 posted 07/31/19 3:25pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Everyone should just watch two of the greatest shows in TV history- "The Wire" and "Homicide"- to get an analysis of that city and issues that exist in every city (and now increasingly in rural White America... Trump country)

Exactly. What makes trump think these ills are new? It definitely exists in large cities in lower-income neighborhoods and white rural areas, where there is a lack of jobs/opportunity, educational resources, affordable housing, community services to deal with teen pregnancy, prenatal care, drug problems, lack of affordable healthcare. Without the necessary and basic resources to uplift/empower a community, it is likely to fall prey to bad elements, and that destroys any community.

Instead of criticizing it, he should visiting the area, and sit down with elected democrats and republicans, community activists, have a town hall with residents, and figure out how they can work together to solve those issues.

This is a tactic that elected officials, community activists, educators, and the police precinct did, in a community I used to live in years ago. They met monthly with residents in a townhall-like setting, and listened to the residents’ concerns, and learning about the ills that existed in the community, in order to make improvements, and it pretty much worked. Hillary was a frequent visitor in the community, along with local, elected officials.
[Edited 7/31/19 15:27pm]
To the Latino, Black American and Caribbean communities in America. You are the communities trump dislikes and degrades. Use your vote to vote trump out of office.
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Reply #17 posted 07/31/19 3:35pm

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RodeoSchro said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
I was in Baltimore about a year ago for the first time. We were in the beautiful and thriving Inner Harbor area, and taking a stroll, within 5 blocks was in a rundown area surrounded by junkies (for the record, many I saw that day were White)... This is obviously a city that has challenges and problems with crime and abandonment of buildings and all sorts of social ills. I wouldn't live in West Baltimore if I didn't have to. But as someone who grew up in what some ignorant people would consider "the hood ", I'm sure most of the people there are decent folks who didn't have the opportunities and structures that I was lucky to have. I don't consider them subhuman animals, like Trump and his base looks at them. As I said in a different thread, it's one thing to mention these issues because you want to help fix them, and it's another thing to mention them because you want to mock and demean the area and it's residents. An intelligent person can discern the difference.

Exactly. clapping



Double exactly. clapping



Like I also said before, it's the difference between telling someone you love that they need to lose weight to be healthier and look better, and calling someone you hate a fat disgusting slob
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Reply #18 posted 07/31/19 3:40pm

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jjhunsecker said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
I was in Baltimore about a year ago for the first time. We were in the beautiful and thriving Inner Harbor area, and taking a stroll, within 5 blocks was in a rundown area surrounded by junkies (for the record, many I saw that day were White)... This is obviously a city that has challenges and problems with crime and abandonment of buildings and all sorts of social ills. I wouldn't live in West Baltimore if I didn't have to. But as someone who grew up in what some ignorant people would consider "the hood ", I'm sure most of the people there are decent folks who didn't have the opportunities and structures that I was lucky to have. I don't consider them subhuman animals, like Trump and his base looks at them. As I said in a different thread, it's one thing to mention these issues because you want to help fix them, and it's another thing to mention them because you want to mock and demean the area and it's residents. An intelligent person can discern the difference.

Exactly. clapping



RodeoSchro said:

Double exactly. clapping


Like I also said before, it's the difference between telling someone you love that they need to lose weight to be healthier and look better, and calling someone you hate a fat disgusting slob


A round of exactlys clapping

[Edited 7/31/19 15:45pm]

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jjhunsecker said:

Everyone should just watch two of the greatest shows in TV history- "The Wire" and "Homicide"- to get an analysis of that city and issues that exist in every city (and now increasingly in rural White America... Trump country)


thegrio.com

David Simon
created the iconic show that used the city as its backdrop throughout its run from 2002-2008 and he unleashed his opinions on the President in a Twitter rant that basically said Trump wouldn’t last five minutes in Baltimore.

“If this empty-suit, race-hating fraud had to actually visit West Baltimore for five minutes and meet any of the American citizens who endure there, he’d wet himself,” he posted.

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Every large city has problems. Instead of trumpster going after Baltimore, maybe he should start helping the large cities clean the problems up.


The question is: What are YOU going to do about it? Do you reach out to lawmakers and tell them how you feel?


Baltimore doesn't = failure. The failure lies with our so called President, who runs his mouth yet does nothing to help any situation, he only makes it worse.

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The mice problem isn't an issue: they just need more cats.

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Trump 'rodent' tweets ring true at Kushner-owned apartments



BALTIMORE — Davon Jones doesn't have to look far to see the irony in President Donald Trump's tweets that Baltimore is a "rat and rodent infested mess." His apartment owned by the president's son-in-law has been invaded by mice since he moved in a year ago.


"I don't know how they come in," Jones says. "Every time I catch them, they come right back."


Jared Kushner's family real estate firm owns thousands of apartments and townhomes in the Baltimore area, and some have been criticized for the same kind of disrepair and neglect that the president has accused local leaders of failing to address. Residents have complained about mold, bedbugs, leaks and, yes, mice — plenty of mice. And they say management appears in no hurry to fix the problems.


"They don't care," says Dezmond James, who says he has spotted as many as three mice a week since he moved in to the Commons at White Marsh in suburban Middle River four years ago.



James says he sees a massive contradiction in Trump's much-publicized tweets laying the blame for Baltimore's poverty, crime and rodent problems on frequent antagonist Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings. Trump, he said, should look more at what he — and specifically Kushner — could do about it.



"His son-in-law owns all of this — then he can fix it. I'm pretty sure he has a lot of money," says James, who is studying to be a medical assistant. "That's kind of weird that you want to talk trash. ... If you want to make improvements, you can make improvements."


Conditions got so bad two years ago that the Baltimore County government issued a release showing the Kushner Cos. had violated housing codes more than 200 times in just 10 months and only moved to fix the problems after being threatened with fines.


"I had black mold in my cabinets. I called them, I called them, I called them. And they never did anything," says Simone Ryer, who moved out of Whispering Woods in Middle River two years ago. "That was more than enough for me to leave."


In a statement, the Kushner Cos. said it was proud of its Baltimore-area apartments and has worked to maintain a "high quality residential experience for our tenants" by investing "substantial amounts" in upkeep.




That and trump properties are also health code nightmares with rodent problems.

Trump, as always, is full of shit
Being a real civil rights champion,
Sometimes I have to defend
against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
Everyone should just watch two of the greatest shows in TV history- "The Wire" and "Homicide"- to get an analysis of that city and issues that exist in every city (and now increasingly in rural White America... Trump country)
Exactly. What makes trump think these ills are new? It definitely exists in large cities in lower-income neighborhoods and white rural areas, where there is a lack of jobs/opportunity, educational resources, affordable housing, community services to deal with teen pregnancy, prenatal care, drug problems, lack of affordable healthcare. Without the necessary and basic resources to uplift/empower a community, it is likely to fall prey to bad elements, and that destroys any community. Instead of criticizing it, he should visiting the area, and sit down with elected democrats and republicans, community activists, have a town hall with residents, and figure out how they can work together to solve those issues. This is a tactic that elected officials, community activists, educators, and the police precinct did, in a community I used to live in years ago. They met monthly with residents in a townhall-like setting, and listened to the residents’ concerns, and learning about the ills that existed in the community, in order to make improvements, and it pretty much worked. Hillary was a frequent visitor in the community, along with local, elected officials. [Edited 7/31/19 15:27pm]

An excellent editorial from Paul Krugman of the NY Times about Trump's racism, and how it blinds him to the social failures and dysfunction within his own white base :

https://www.nytimes.com/2...acist.html" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2...acist.html

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CherryMoon57 said:

The mice problem isn't an issue: they just need more cats.

They can use Trump- the biggest PUSSY in any town he enters...

Badabump ...!

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I hated to use this right winger video but it was the only way to find the video of Cummings agreeing with Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/w...iZB3UsGl6w

That was a long time ago, why not help Baltimore Cummings? The Obama money went to help around the baseball area. Obama never gave two shits.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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CherryMoon57 said:

The mice problem isn't an issue: they just need more cats.


Is that a Marie Antoinette kind of comment? Try joking about that that to the tenants with children who have to fear their kids being bitten by rats.

The point is, the building owners should do a better job of making sure rats don’t infest the buildings.
To the Latino, Black American and Caribbean communities in America. You are the communities trump dislikes and degrades. Use your vote to vote trump out of office.
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Reply #27 posted 08/01/19 8:31am

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PennyPurple said:

Every large city has problems. Instead of trumpster going after Baltimore, maybe he should start helping the large cities clean the problems up.



The question is: What are YOU going to do about it? Do you reach out to lawmakers and tell them how you feel?



Baltimore doesn't = failure. The failure lies with our so called President, who runs his mouth yet does nothing to help any situation, he only makes it worse.


Exactly.
To the Latino, Black American and Caribbean communities in America. You are the communities trump dislikes and degrades. Use your vote to vote trump out of office.
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2Elijah, shameful.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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jjhunsecker said:

CherryMoon57 said:

The mice problem isn't an issue: they just need more cats.

They can use Trump- the biggest PUSSY in any town he enters...

Badabump ...!

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