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Tlaib calls for $20-an-hour minimum wage:

Whatta think?
What would be her response if there is a suggestion that they make per hour what she makes?

The increase was definately a good thing, 'for ADULTS' not for 15yr olds working at McDonalds though.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tlaib-calls-for-20-an-hour-minimum-wage?fbclid=IwAR1Ee5DmVHnauNvAt0C5V2MvPkNBCu0oUnRsaaEbYEE4A-CgT6jY2_2TSFQ

'I can't allow people to be living off tips'

Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., called for a federal minimum wage of $20 per hour at an event in Detroit on Sunday night, prompting mockery from conservatives and threatening to force mainline Democrats in the 2020 presidential race to address the issue in upcoming debates.

Tlaib's comment came during remarks to the Restaurant Opportunities Center of Michigan and the labor rights group One Fair Wage, and were recorded by the conservative political action committee America Rising. The Democrat-controlled House of Representatives passed a $15 federal minimum wage bill last week, but it has little chance of passing the GOP-controlled Senate.

Tlaib, referring to the federal minimum wage for those workers, said that "tipped employees make $2.13 per hour, federally."

"Think about that for one minute. People cannot live on those kind of wages, and I can't allow people to be living off tips, you know, relying on tips for wages. It's just not enough to support our families. ... By the way, when we started it, it should have been $15," she said at the event, titled "Server for an Hour."

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Why not $20?" asked Town Hall Editor and Fox News contributor Guy Benson. "Or $50? Go, Rashida, Go!"

"They should make it $1,000 an hour and cure income inequality inside of a month, obviously," joked Ben Shapiro. "These radical Democratic policy proposals are the political equivalent of the pitch for the Fyre Festival."

Democrat presidential contenders are set to debate again on July 30 and 31, and could be asked about Tlaib's now-viral proposal. The party's embrace of once-radical proposals -- including Medicare-for-all, health care for illegal immigrants, and decriminalization of border crossings -- has alienated moderates, some analysts contend.

Tlaib, a member of the progressive freshman "squad" on Capitol Hill, has attracted an outsize share of attention in recent days. Over the weekend, video resurfaced showing ...dent Trump as security removed her from a meeting at the Detroit Economic Club in August 2016.

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Reply #1 posted 07/31/19 7:53am

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How about 25! woot!

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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I think what ought to be done rather than just blanket raising the minimum wage is figuring out what the average living cost is in a given area and adjusting the minimum wage to suit that. It could even be a county by county project.

But just saying "we're going to raise minumum wage to X regardless of area" is just going to put people out of work and/or reduce their hours.

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Reply #3 posted 07/31/19 1:49pm

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Proves she's a fool.
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Reply #4 posted 07/31/19 2:07pm

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Elaborate mighty seer.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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2freaky4church1 said:

Elaborate mighty seer.

no matter what it is... in time it will not make any difference it will just devalue the dollar.

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Reply #6 posted 08/02/19 5:37am

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guitarslinger44 said:

I think what ought to be done rather than just blanket raising the minimum wage is figuring out what the average living cost is in a given area and adjusting the minimum wage to suit that. It could even be a county by county project.

But just saying "we're going to raise minumum wage to X regardless of area" is just going to put people out of work and/or reduce their hours.

That is a good idea

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Reply #7 posted 08/02/19 6:39am

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guitarslinger44 said:

I think what ought to be done rather than just blanket raising the minimum wage is figuring out what the average living cost is in a given area and adjusting the minimum wage to suit that. It could even be a county by county project.

But just saying "we're going to raise minumum wage to X regardless of area" is just going to put people out of work and/or reduce their hours.

Is that based on where you live or where you work?

Seems that raising the cost of business in an area with a higher cost of living as it is would just add to the problem.

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Reply #8 posted 08/02/19 8:07am

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Programs should always be universal. You can adjust economy to deal with businessess failing,

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Reply #9 posted 08/02/19 2:32pm

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The amount of time its taking to get to these amounts the cost of living will have far exceeded these amounts. There's all this fanfare then you find out in 5 to 10 years they get those amounts. Definitely not happening in the here and now.
What funny is a lot of the larger places that hire larger shares of minimum wage workers are preparing a way around it such as Walmart.
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Reply #10 posted 08/03/19 6:37pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



guitarslinger44 said:


I think what ought to be done rather than just blanket raising the minimum wage is figuring out what the average living cost is in a given area and adjusting the minimum wage to suit that. It could even be a county by county project.

But just saying "we're going to raise minumum wage to X regardless of area" is just going to put people out of work and/or reduce their hours.




Is that based on where you live or where you work?

Seems that raising the cost of business in an area with a higher cost of living as it is would just add to the problem.



My idea was to examine the average cost of living in a given county and then say that any business existing in that country has to pay a minimum wage for anyone over 18 that would allow them to cover the cost of an average apartment and a months worth of living expenses. To me that makes more sense than just a blanket arbitrary raise, especially in more rural areas where the cost if living is lower.
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guitarslinger44 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Is that based on where you live or where you work?

Seems that raising the cost of business in an area with a higher cost of living as it is would just add to the problem.

My idea was to examine the average cost of living in a given county and then say that any business existing in that country has to pay a minimum wage for anyone over 18 that would allow them to cover the cost of an average apartment and a months worth of living expenses. To me that makes more sense than just a blanket arbitrary raise, especially in more rural areas where the cost if living is lower.

so then an employer can refuse to hire anyone that can not prove they live in that county?

and you mean average 1BR apartment and the most basic of expenses?

Fact is a single person can live off of about $10 a day... I will say an efficacy apartment is $500... so $800 a month....$5 an hour... (5x40X4) add in $300 for all other necessary expenses we are still at about $7...


EDIT: and remember these are no skill no experience starting positions... no one should expect to be able to life off of that and have much of anything other than the basics. The fact is the MW keeps wages for many artificially lower than they would otherwise be.

[Edited 8/3/19 21:36pm]

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Reply #12 posted 08/05/19 11:59am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

guitarslinger44 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: My idea was to examine the average cost of living in a given county and then say that any business existing in that country has to pay a minimum wage for anyone over 18 that would allow them to cover the cost of an average apartment and a months worth of living expenses. To me that makes more sense than just a blanket arbitrary raise, especially in more rural areas where the cost if living is lower.

so then an employer can refuse to hire anyone that can not prove they live in that county?

and you mean average 1BR apartment and the most basic of expenses?

Fact is a single person can live off of about $10 a day... I will say an efficacy apartment is $500... so $800 a month....$5 an hour... (5x40X4) add in $300 for all other necessary expenses we are still at about $7...


EDIT: and remember these are no skill no experience starting positions... no one should expect to be able to life off of that and have much of anything other than the basics. The fact is the MW keeps wages for many artificially lower than they would otherwise be.

[Edited 8/3/19 21:36pm]


Bro, where can you live on $10 a day? Ecuador? lol If you make $10/day you only have $300 in a month.

A single one bedroom apartment, phone bill, and maybe $30-50 a week on groceries is bare minimum expenses.

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Reply #13 posted 08/07/19 6:45am

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Change the word 'minimum' to 'living' and it might change the conversation a bit.

We now talk about a living wage in the UK. What's the point of having a minimum wage if it's not enough to live on?

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leecaldon said:

Change the word 'minimum' to 'living' and it might change the conversation a bit.

We now talk about a living wage in the UK. What's the point of having a minimum wage if it's not enough to live on?

But that is chasing a dragon... as we increase wages the cost of all goods and services goes up and the value of the dollar goes down...always, every time.

It just can't work. There is also the ripple effect. If you make $20 now...you would then need $50 or $60 just to say were you are.

And if the best you can do is MW... then you need to not have family... or work 2 jobs or simplify your life.

But people get fed this poison sugar and think it is good for them...

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

leecaldon said:

Change the word 'minimum' to 'living' and it might change the conversation a bit.

We now talk about a living wage in the UK. What's the point of having a minimum wage if it's not enough to live on?

But that is chasing a dragon... as we increase wages the cost of all goods and services goes up and the value of the dollar goes down...always, every time.

It just can't work. There is also the ripple effect. If you make $20 now...you would then need $50 or $60 just to say were you are.

And if the best you can do is MW... then you need to not have family... or work 2 jobs or simplify your life.

But people get fed this poison sugar and think it is good for them...

Nonsense .

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The only ones paying the lowest wages are NOT mom and pops. They are chain restaurants.

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i as well as friends have been paying entry level workers $20hr for decades and the world did not crumble. The sky did not fall.

But you know who made up the difference for the low wages the $20 million a year CEO's running McDonalds were not willing to pay?.

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ALL OF US.
Those not earning enough quality for public assistance.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

But that is chasing a dragon... as we increase wages the cost of all goods and services goes up and the value of the dollar goes down...always, every time.

It just can't work. There is also the ripple effect. If you make $20 now...you would then need $50 or $60 just to say were you are.

And if the best you can do is MW... then you need to not have family... or work 2 jobs or simplify your life.

But people get fed this poison sugar and think it is good for them...

Nonsense .

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The only ones paying the lowest wages are NOT mom and pops. They are chain restaurants.

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i as well as friends have been paying entry level workers $20hr for decades and the world did not crumble. The sky did not fall.

But you know who made up the difference for the low wages the $20 million a year CEO's running McDonalds were not willing to pay?.

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ALL OF US.
Those not earning enough quality for public assistance.

[Edited 8/7/19 8:59am]

you fail to grasp a basic concept. When a few places pay well above the MW will get a better staff... they will work harder and thus produce more and that helps to mitigate the extra cost of labor. They also tend to charge more for goods and services.



If you acutaly own a small business and you pay entery level workers $20 you have to ask yourself do you get what you pay for and then ask yourself what would you have to pay if everyone else was also paying $20?

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Nonsense .

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The only ones paying the lowest wages are NOT mom and pops. They are chain restaurants.

.

i as well as friends have been paying entry level workers $20hr for decades and the world did not crumble. The sky did not fall.

But you know who made up the difference for the low wages the $20 million a year CEO's running McDonalds were not willing to pay?.

.
ALL OF US.
Those not earning enough quality for public assistance.

[Edited 8/7/19 8:59am]

you fail to grasp a basic concept. When a few places pay well above the MW will get a better staff... they will work harder and thus produce more and that helps to mitigate the extra cost of labor. They also tend to charge more for goods and services.



If you acutaly own a small business and you pay entery level workers $20 you have to ask yourself do you get what you pay for and then ask yourself what would you have to pay if everyone else was also paying $20?

You fail to grasp reality.

i Know your game is just to regurgitate partisan talking points and that's all, but hopefully one day you out grow that.
lol

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

you fail to grasp a basic concept. When a few places pay well above the MW will get a better staff... they will work harder and thus produce more and that helps to mitigate the extra cost of labor. They also tend to charge more for goods and services.



If you acutaly own a small business and you pay entery level workers $20 you have to ask yourself do you get what you pay for and then ask yourself what would you have to pay if everyone else was also paying $20?

You fail to grasp reality.

i Know your game is just to regurgitate partisan talking points and that's all, but hopefully one day you out grow that.
lol

i do not do that... see folks when you have no way to counter (suggesting tripling the cost of labor would not increased the cost of goods and services as well as devalue the dollar resulting in hyper inflation? (Like it was under Carter when you were better off spending money than saving it! *sorta inflation was higher than interest rates so your money would go down in value faster than it grew)

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Reply #19 posted 08/31/19 8:12am

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I tend to be up on what is happening in New York State, but a Democratic legislator was on radio Thursday, talking about this proposal that came up before the board.

New York state is proposing to pay state prisoners $3 and hour. That state that keeps on giving, while it's citizens are over taxed. This might be in connection to the proposal to make it so prisoners can vote as well. And the proposal to charge New Yorkers more money to for their liscense plates and choices.

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Cuomo Says He Supports Raising Wages For NY State Prisoners Who Earn 65 Cents An Hour

https://gothamist.com/news/cuomo-says-he-supports-raising-wages-ny-state-prisoners-who-earn-65-cents-hour

An incarcerated person makes textiles for Corcraft at Coxsackie State Correctional Facility.

Governor Andrew Cuomo told reporters on Tuesday that he supports raising the low wages paid to incarcerated workers in New York State prisons.

The governor's office had created a contest to allow New Yorkers to vote on the new license plate design that will be rolled out this spring. Those license plates will be manufactured by prisoners working for Corcraft, which is the brand name for the Division of Correctional Industries, operated by the state Department of Corrections and Community Supervision (DOCCS). Prisoners work for Corcraft for an average of 65 cents an hour, and manufacture everything from desks to soap to license plates, which are produced at the Auburn State Correctional Facility.

"I would support a wage increase for prisoners who work in our prisons," Cuomo said. The governor did not say whether he favors taking executive action to raise the wages, or if he supports a bill proposed earlier this year by Brooklyn State Senator Zellnor Myrie to raise the minimum wage for prisoners to $3/hour.

"I appreciate and welcome the support of the governor," Senator Myrie said on the Brian Lehrer Show on Wednesday morning, adding that he preferred that Cuomo work on a legislative fix instead of executive action "so that the wages of those incarcerated will not be dependent on who occupies the governor's mansion."

Myrie also called for more transparency at Corcraft, which employs around 2,100 prisoners across the state. State law requires state and municipal agencies to purchase goods from Corcraft because it is a "preferred" provider; New York City is the comp...t customer, and Corcraft sells around $50 million in goods each year. Profits made by Corcraft go back into the state's general fund.

"Incarcerated people are really the most vulnerable people in our society," Myrie said. "If we have one company in charge of their employment, they should be subject to greater scrutiny."

Lymus Rivera, who is currently a group facilitator at The Fortune Society, called into the show to talk about his experience working while he was incarcerated in New York State prisons. Rivera said he made as much as 42 cents an hour manufacturing goods for Corcraft, but earned 25 cents an hour doing group facilitating.

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Reply #20 posted 08/31/19 9:25am

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Only, give some of your pay up. Help your boss get richer.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Only, give some of your pay up. Help your boss get richer.

why would I do that? I am free to accept or decline the pay any give employer offers me. If I have the skills, education, experience, and necessary qualifications for a given position then I can expect to be paid accordingly. I would not expect to be paid well for a job that I am not qualified for... no one should. PERIOD! Want better pay? Do better work.

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The average CEO-to-worker pay ratio was 248-to-1. For the 104 companies whose median employee pay falls below the poverty line, the ratio is a whopping 917-to-1. It didn't used to be this way. The CEO-to-worker pay ratio was 20-to-1 in 1965, according to EPI.

God forbid we should pay any worker a LIVING WAGE.

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13cjk13 said:

The average CEO-to-worker pay ratio was 248-to-1. For the 104 companies whose median employee pay falls below the poverty line, the ratio is a whopping 917-to-1. It didn't used to be this way. The CEO-to-worker pay ratio was 20-to-1 in 1965, according to EPI.

God forbid we should pay any worker a LIVING WAGE.

so it is jealousy? and you must know there is no such thing as a "Living Wage" and if there was it would be less than $40K a year... more like $20K...

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