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Reply #30 posted 07/11/19 8:31am

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2freaky4church1 said:

You remember that story where they had apartment buildings with poor entrances? People with subsidized apartments had to enter different than rich.


Classism!

What does that have to do with this story?

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Reply #31 posted 07/11/19 8:35am

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Class gave us racism.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #32 posted 07/11/19 8:40am

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Class gave us racism.


And this has what to do with the topic?

Are you arguing that a white person in a secured building should never verify a black stranger belongs before allowing them entrance, because racism exists?

What kind of virtue signaling White Knight bullshit is that?


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Reply #33 posted 07/11/19 10:07am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:
Lol. I seriously, seriously doubt if the guy was white, that this whole thing would have happened.
I doubt it would have happened that way if the guy was White. Let’s be honest, and call it what it was...racial profiling. It’s like his ‘race’ antenna went off immediately with an ‘alert!’ signal when he saw the Black guy entering the building. There are some who will refuse to understand that these types of racial profiling incidents, are real, and happen to many Black men across the country on a daily basis, and to Black women as well. So it wouldn’t surprise me if anyone tried to condone the White guy’s actions. He even accused the Black guy of threatening him, because the Black guy told him he was going to film it, and it would go viral. In the country we live in today, racial profiling still exists, so the Black guy was right to film it to protect himself, if the police came. There’s a lot of ignorant, racist asswipes out there, who think they have some special privilege to stop Black Americans and demand their ID. They often treat them like criminals, because of the racist mindset they already have of then, and treat us as though we are foreigners to a country that is our country of birth. I’m glad he filmed the incident. The guy’s approach was rude and condescending. Now it’s fine if anyone doesn’t agree with my opinion of this, as it will not surprise me, at all, if some will try to twist this (Just give it a few mins and wait and see..popcorn what else is new?) but I stand by my opinion of this incident regardless, because too many of these incidents happen to many innocent Black Americans. [Edited 7/11/19 8:14am]

I absolutely understand why you say this, but the truth is we'll never know if it was racial profiling or whether he was innocently checking who was coming into his apartment block - we will never know from a clip of an incident and a statement that followed, we can only forge our opinion. I'm not in any way going to deny racial profiling exists, because I absolutely think it does, but in this case my opinion is that the man's story at least sounds credible.

To share a story, almost 30 years ago I had a boyfriend who lived in a high-rise flat some distance from me. One day I decided to surprise him. I went through hell and high-water trying to get into those damn flats. No-one would let me in behind them, they all questioned who I was. They all told me to press the buzzer or use my key (which I didn't have). I didn't want to use the buzzer as that would have spoiled the surprise. Took me bloody ages to get in them flats (I did eventually), and that was as a white woman. Some people are just precious about who is going in and out of their housing blocks.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #34 posted 07/11/19 10:11am

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maplenpg said:

2elijah said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said: I doubt it would have happened that way if the guy was White. Let’s be honest, and call it what it was...racial profiling. It’s like his ‘race’ antenna went off immediately with an ‘alert!’ signal when he saw the Black guy entering the building. There are some who will refuse to understand that these types of racial profiling incidents, are real, and happen to many Black men across the country on a daily basis, and to Black women as well. So it wouldn’t surprise me if anyone tried to condone the White guy’s actions. He even accused the Black guy of threatening him, because the Black guy told him he was going to film it, and it would go viral. In the country we live in today, racial profiling still exists, so the Black guy was right to film it to protect himself, if the police came. There’s a lot of ignorant, racist asswipes out there, who think they have some special privilege to stop Black Americans and demand their ID. They often treat them like criminals, because of the racist mindset they already have of then, and treat us as though we are foreigners to a country that is our country of birth. I’m glad he filmed the incident. The guy’s approach was rude and condescending. Now it’s fine if anyone doesn’t agree with my opinion of this, as it will not surprise me, at all, if some will try to twist this (Just give it a few mins and wait and see..popcorn what else is new?) but I stand by my opinion of this incident regardless, because too many of these incidents happen to many innocent Black Americans. [Edited 7/11/19 8:14am]

I absolutely understand why you say this, but the truth is we'll never know if it was racial profiling or whether he was innocently checking who was coming into his apartment block - we will never know from a clip of an incident and a statement that followed, we can only forge our opinion. I'm not in any way going to deny racial profiling exists, because I absolutely think it does, but in this case my opinion is that the man's story at least sounds credible.

To share a story, almost 30 years ago I had a boyfriend who lived in a high-rise flat some distance from me. One day I decided to surprise him. I went through hell and high-water trying to get into those damn flats. No-one would let me in behind them, they all questioned who I was. They all told me to press the buzzer or use my key (which I didn't have). I didn't want to use the buzzer as that would have spoiled the surprise. Took me bloody ages to get in them flats (I did eventually), and that was as a white woman. Some people are just precious about who is going in and out of their housing blocks.


Absolutely! Defending this resident is in no way a denial that racial profiling does indeed exist. It does. It's disgusting. However, this does not appear to be such a situation.

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Reply #35 posted 07/11/19 10:23am

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djThunderfunk said:

maplenpg said:

I absolutely understand why you say this, but the truth is we'll never know if it was racial profiling or whether he was innocently checking who was coming into his apartment block - we will never know from a clip of an incident and a statement that followed, we can only forge our opinion. I'm not in any way going to deny racial profiling exists, because I absolutely think it does, but in this case my opinion is that the man's story at least sounds credible.

To share a story, almost 30 years ago I had a boyfriend who lived in a high-rise flat some distance from me. One day I decided to surprise him. I went through hell and high-water trying to get into those damn flats. No-one would let me in behind them, they all questioned who I was. They all told me to press the buzzer or use my key (which I didn't have). I didn't want to use the buzzer as that would have spoiled the surprise. Took me bloody ages to get in them flats (I did eventually), and that was as a white woman. Some people are just precious about who is going in and out of their housing blocks.


Absolutely! Defending this resident is in no way a denial that racial profiling does indeed exist. It does. It's disgusting. However, this does not appear to be such a situation.

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i can agree that the man every right to do what he did. I accept that. He has great deniability of wrongdoing that I can't argue with, so I won't..

but I still believe that if the dude was white this won have happened.

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Reply #36 posted 07/11/19 10:37am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

djThunderfunk said:


Absolutely! Defending this resident is in no way a denial that racial profiling does indeed exist. It does. It's disgusting. However, this does not appear to be such a situation.

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i can agree that the man every right to do what he did. I accept that. He has great deniability of wrongdoing that I can't argue with, so I won't..

but I still believe that if the dude was white this won have happened.

We'll never know. I do think that if he had been white maybe the resident wouldn't have been so quick to call the cops, but we'll just never know. All we'll ever have is our opinion forged from a video that is just a few minutes long, and which misses a beginning and an end. I think that both parties were right in some respects (the resident had the right to challenge the man, the man had the right to challenge the reason behind the questioning), but I also think the situation was escalated by the man refusing to say who he was waiting for, and the resident calling the cops. I think there are much more obvious cases of racial profiling out there than this one, far far too many of them. I think this is too grey and wooley to be used as an example - again this is just my opinion.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #37 posted 07/11/19 10:38am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

djThunderfunk said:


Absolutely! Defending this resident is in no way a denial that racial profiling does indeed exist. It does. It's disgusting. However, this does not appear to be such a situation.

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i can agree that the man every right to do what he did. I accept that. He has great deniability of wrongdoing that I can't argue with, so I won't..

but I still believe that if the dude was white this won have happened.


Possibly. But, for sure it wouldn't have happened if the stranger simply waited outside for the person he was visiting to come down (as we see in the video, it would not have been a long wait), OR, been willing to say who he was visiting instead of telling the resident to go away and cursing at him.

From watching the video, there's more reason to believe the stranger was rude and race baiting than to believe the resident was being racist.


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Reply #38 posted 07/11/19 11:06am

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maplenpg said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:




djThunderfunk said:




Absolutely! Defending this resident is in no way a denial that racial profiling does indeed exist. It does. It's disgusting. However, this does not appear to be such a situation.



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i can agree that the man every right to do what he did. I accept that. He has great deniability of wrongdoing that I can't argue with, so I won't..


but I still believe that if the dude was white this won have happened.



We'll never know. I do think that if he had been white maybe the resident wouldn't have been so quick to call the cops, but we'll just never know. All we'll ever have is our opinion forged from a video that is just a few minutes long, and which misses a beginning and an end. I think that both parties were right in some respects (the resident had the right to challenge the man, the man had the right to challenge the reason behind the questioning), but I also think the situation was escalated by the man refusing to say who he was waiting for, and the resident calling the cops. I think there are much more obvious cases of racial profiling out there than this one, far far too many of them. I think this is too grey and wooley to be used as an example - again this is just my opinion.



Agreed.
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Reply #39 posted 07/14/19 7:50am

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djThunderfunk said:

maplenpg said:

Dare I say that Cuckor's statement on the incident sounded quite fair to me? boxed


Better not... lol

Seriously though, IF he called the cops BECAUSE the guy is black, THEN he was being racist.

BUT....

It is common sense to not let a stranger into your building without verifying that they belong.

The stranger refused to verify he belonged and in fact told the guy to just leave.

And he seemed very eager to "expose a racist" on youtube.

And what about that odd statement that it's "illegal to call the cops on black people"?

I would rather be accused of racism then let a stranger into the building without verifying that he belonged. If my father had been murdered by a tresspasser, even more so.

But this is (current year) and a white person calling cops on a black person might not really be "illegal" but it is socially unacceptable. So.... RACISM!!




Just like the epidemic of fake hate crimes, it's now common for basic justifiable requests by Caucasians to be escalated into fake claims of racism. It began years ago with refusing to answer questions or accommodate requests by white police officers, and now with civilians it's turned into a golden ticket for social media fame and money for videos being sold.

No different than recently the guy who was simply asked to show his ticket in a movie theater, but repeatedly refused until police showed up - and THEN he took out his ticket. If the jerk had simply taken out his ticket upon request, security would have thanked him and apologized and that would have been the end of it. But noooooooo .... as always, there were ulterior motives at play.

Bottom line is everybody screws up, all people make mistakes. But intentionally escalating the situation by refusing to comply with the simplest of requests is something that should not ever be tolerated.


[Edited 7/14/19 7:57am]

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Reply #40 posted 07/16/19 3:25pm

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djThunderfunk said:


Better not... lol

Seriously though, IF he called the cops BECAUSE the guy is black, THEN he was being racist.

BUT....

It is common sense to not let a stranger into your building without verifying that they belong.

The stranger refused to verify he belonged and in fact told the guy to just leave.

And he seemed very eager to "expose a racist" on youtube.

And what about that odd statement that it's "illegal to call the cops on black people"?

I would rather be accused of racism then let a stranger into the building without verifying that he belonged. If my father had been murdered by a tresspasser, even more so.

But this is (current year) and a white person calling cops on a black person might not really be "illegal" but it is socially unacceptable. So.... RACISM!!




Just like the epidemic of fake hate crimes, it's now common for basic justifiable requests by Caucasians to be escalated into fake claims of racism. It began years ago with refusing to answer questions or accommodate requests by white police officers, and now with civilians it's turned into a golden ticket for social media fame and money for videos being sold.

No different than recently the guy who was simply asked to show his ticket in a movie theater, but repeatedly refused until police showed up - and THEN he took out his ticket. If the jerk had simply taken out his ticket upon request, security would have thanked him and apologized and that would have been the end of it. But noooooooo .... as always, there were ulterior motives at play.

Bottom line is everybody screws up, all people make mistakes. But intentionally escalating the situation by refusing to comply with the simplest of requests is something that should not ever be tolerated.


[Edited 7/14/19 7:57am]

A request by a uniformed secirity guard/police officer is one thing - a request by a civilian is another. Unless you see me committing a crime, leave me alone, or my response won't be a pleasant one. This shit goes on all the time here in NYC...it's happened to me and folks I know, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.

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Reply #41 posted 07/16/19 3:54pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Pokeno4Money said:



Just like the epidemic of fake hate crimes, it's now common for basic justifiable requests by Caucasians to be escalated into fake claims of racism. It began years ago with refusing to answer questions or accommodate requests by white police officers, and now with civilians it's turned into a golden ticket for social media fame and money for videos being sold.

No different than recently the guy who was simply asked to show his ticket in a movie theater, but repeatedly refused until police showed up - and THEN he took out his ticket. If the jerk had simply taken out his ticket upon request, security would have thanked him and apologized and that would have been the end of it. But noooooooo .... as always, there were ulterior motives at play.

Bottom line is everybody screws up, all people make mistakes. But intentionally escalating the situation by refusing to comply with the simplest of requests is something that should not ever be tolerated.


[Edited 7/14/19 7:57am]

A request by a uniformed secirity guard/police officer is one thing - a request by a civilian is another. Unless you see me committing a crime, leave me alone, or my response won't be a pleasant one. This shit goes on all the time here in NYC...it's happened to me and folks I know, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.


Not all buildings have uniformed security guards, and in those buildings it is usually a residents responsiblity to not allow entrance to strangers without confirming they belong.

If you act like the guy in the video when you attempt to enter buildings you do not live in, it should happen to you. And anyone else, regardless of race.



[Edited 7/16/19 15:54pm]

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Reply #42 posted 07/16/19 4:21pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Pokeno4Money said:



Just like the epidemic of fake hate crimes, it's now common for basic justifiable requests by Caucasians to be escalated into fake claims of racism. It began years ago with refusing to answer questions or accommodate requests by white police officers, and now with civilians it's turned into a golden ticket for social media fame and money for videos being sold.

No different than recently the guy who was simply asked to show his ticket in a movie theater, but repeatedly refused until police showed up - and THEN he took out his ticket. If the jerk had simply taken out his ticket upon request, security would have thanked him and apologized and that would have been the end of it. But noooooooo .... as always, there were ulterior motives at play.

Bottom line is everybody screws up, all people make mistakes. But intentionally escalating the situation by refusing to comply with the simplest of requests is something that should not ever be tolerated.


[Edited 7/14/19 7:57am]

A request by a uniformed secirity guard/police officer is one thing - a request by a civilian is another. Unless you see me committing a crime, leave me alone, or my response won't be a pleasant one. This shit goes on all the time here in NYC...it's happened to me and folks I know, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.

wrong. anyone that just lets it go ought to be held reasonable if they let someone in to a secure area.

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Reply #43 posted 07/16/19 7:33pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

A request by a uniformed secirity guard/police officer is one thing - a request by a civilian is another. Unless you see me committing a crime, leave me alone, or my response won't be a pleasant one. This shit goes on all the time here in NYC...it's happened to me and folks I know, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.


The big factor for me is whether the civilian treats everyone the same way or not. If he is questioning only POC, then you have every right to be pissed off. If he's questioning whites as well, then he is at worst an overzealous vigilante.

I mean we can't have it both ways. We can't say cops are worthless and therefore need to police our own communities, and then criticize those who actually police their own communities.

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Reply #44 posted 07/17/19 11:27am

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uPtoWnNY said:

A request by a uniformed secirity guard/police officer is one thing - a request by a civilian is another. Unless you see me committing a crime, leave me alone, or my response won't be a pleasant one. This shit goes on all the time here in NYC...it's happened to me and folks I know, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.


The big factor for me is whether the civilian treats everyone the same way or not. If he is questioning only POC, then you have every right to be pissed off. If he's questioning whites as well, then he is at worst an overzealous vigilante.

I mean we can't have it both ways. We can't say cops are worthless and therefore need to police our own communities, and then criticize those who actually police their own communities.

I won't deal with civilians, PERIOD----I'll gladly wait for a security guard or police officer to handle the situation.

As a law-abiding citizen and the son of an NYPD officer, having to prove myself to some civilian who considers me a threat (because of who I am) makes me see red. Not having it. White folks don't accept second-class treatment...neither will I.

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I won't deal with civilians, PERIOD----I'll gladly wait for a security guard or police officer to handle the situation.

As a law-abiding citizen and the son of an NYPD officer, having to prove myself to some civilian who considers me a threat (because of who I am) makes me see red. Not having it. White folks don't accept second-class treatment...neither will I.

So if you see something possibly wrong you will not take any action? Or would you call the cops? Are you one of those "no snitch" cowards?

what your father did is irrelevant.

you are not obligated (as far as I know) you prove yourself to anyone... In California I believe the law is that you do not even have to tell the cops your name or answer any questions or give any information unless they can articulate that you have committed, are committing, or are about to commit a crime. Being or seeming suspicious is not enough. Nor is it enough if someone feels uncomfortable or feels scared or whatever.

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Reply #46 posted 07/17/19 11:45am

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Pokeno4Money said:

uPtoWnNY said:

A request by a uniformed secirity guard/police officer is one thing - a request by a civilian is another. Unless you see me committing a crime, leave me alone, or my response won't be a pleasant one. This shit goes on all the time here in NYC...it's happened to me and folks I know, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.


The big factor for me is whether the civilian treats everyone the same way or not. If he is questioning only POC, then you have every right to be pissed off. If he's questioning whites as well, then he is at worst an overzealous vigilante.

I mean we can't have it both ways. We can't say cops are worthless and therefore need to police our own communities, and then criticize those who actually police their own communities.

in this case the main one making it about race was the victim. not the caller. And the victim did not live there and it seems that the person he was there to see was not even there... so he has ZERO business --none what so ever-- going into the building. PERIOD.

I doubt I would have called but I would not "let" him enter the building or if he was in I would challenge him... *the caller saw him try to get in with out a key or by being buzzed in that is a basis to assume he did not belong there.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Pokeno4Money said:


The big factor for me is whether the civilian treats everyone the same way or not. If he is questioning only POC, then you have every right to be pissed off. If he's questioning whites as well, then he is at worst an overzealous vigilante.

I mean we can't have it both ways. We can't say cops are worthless and therefore need to police our own communities, and then criticize those who actually police their own communities.

in this case the main one making it about race was the victim. not the caller. And the victim did not live there and it seems that the person he was there to see was not even there... so he has ZERO business --none what so ever-- going into the building. PERIOD.

I doubt I would have called but I would not "let" him enter the building or if he was in I would challenge him... *the caller saw him try to get in with out a key or by being buzzed in that is a basis to assume he did not belong there.



It's a complicated situation.

But speaking of situations that aren't complicated - how are you coming along with providing those examples you need to prove your allegation that sanctions against a client are "common"?

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Reply #48 posted 07/17/19 6:45pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

I won't deal with civilians, PERIOD----I'll gladly wait for a security guard or police officer to handle the situation.

As a law-abiding citizen and the son of an NYPD officer, having to prove myself to some civilian who considers me a threat (because of who I am) makes me see red. Not having it. White folks don't accept second-class treatment...neither will I.


Just to clarify, you won't deal with any civilians including POC?

And to the best of my knowledge, security guards are considered civilians. They work for private employers, and there are no requirements to become one.

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Dare I say that Cuckor's statement on the incident sounded quite fair to me? boxed

Sadly the first reaction is to say racism.

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Truth is people get into buildings -residential/business where they shouldn't be.
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I just had two people walk into our company building the other day and walked right down the halls toward a back office. I had to go run after them and have them tell me who they were and why they were there. We do meetings on violence in work places all the time for refreshers.

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In residential buildings, I have done the same in the past. It's an uncomfortable thing, but if you have lived in a space for a long time, and you see someone just get into a building, your alarms go off. I've lived in an apartment complex in the past and came out to someone sleeping on the steps. Another time to someone getting in and getting to our mail etc

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Women, senior citizens and people in general get assaulted.

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I think apartment like this people should all have a noticable tag that you carry for everyones assurance.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

djThunderfunk said:


Absolutely! Defending this resident is in no way a denial that racial profiling does indeed exist. It does. It's disgusting. However, this does not appear to be such a situation.

.

i can agree that the man every right to do what he did. I accept that. He has great deniability of wrongdoing that I can't argue with, so I won't..

but I still believe that if the dude was white this won have happened.

You cannot say that. Because I've walked into a situation where another white man was questioning another white man who gained entrance to a residential complex. Men will always be suspect.
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Women are less likely to be questioned in situations like this, because overall we still don't think of women as being threats.

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Reply #51 posted 07/17/19 9:09pm

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maplenpg said:

Dare I say that Cuckor's statement on the incident sounded quite fair to me? boxed

Sadly the first reaction is to say racism.

.

Truth is people get into buildings -residential/business where they shouldn't be.
.
I just had two people walk into our company building the other day and walked right down the halls toward a back office. I had to go run after them and have them tell me who they were and why they were there. We do meetings on violence in work places all the time for refreshers.

.

In residential buildings, I have done the same in the past. It's an uncomfortable thing, but if you have lived in a space for a long time, and you see someone just get into a building, your alarms go off. I've lived in an apartment complex in the past and came out to someone sleeping on the steps. Another time to someone getting in and getting to our mail etc

.

Women, senior citizens and people in general get assaulted.

.

I think apartment like this people should all have a noticable tag that you carry for everyones assurance.

.

I would not let a person in under the circumstances shown in this clip.

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In a work environment, other than security and safety of the workers, there is also the safety of the person entering. They may not know the issues or procedures. I once had to escort an old couple in a car towing a caravan out of a steelworks because they took a wrong turn - they were told to take the first turn after river and they took this too literally. I never found out how come the security guard did not stop them.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Sadly the first reaction is to say racism.

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Truth is people get into buildings -residential/business where they shouldn't be.
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I just had two people walk into our company building the other day and walked right down the halls toward a back office. I had to go run after them and have them tell me who they were and why they were there. We do meetings on violence in work places all the time for refreshers.

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In residential buildings, I have done the same in the past. It's an uncomfortable thing, but if you have lived in a space for a long time, and you see someone just get into a building, your alarms go off. I've lived in an apartment complex in the past and came out to someone sleeping on the steps. Another time to someone getting in and getting to our mail etc

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Women, senior citizens and people in general get assaulted.

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I think apartment like this people should all have a noticable tag that you carry for everyones assurance.

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I would not let a person in under the circumstances shown in this clip.

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In a work environment, other than security and safety of the workers, there is also the safety of the person entering. They may not know the issues or procedures. I once had to escort an old couple in a car towing a caravan out of a steelworks because they took a wrong turn - they were told to take the first turn after river and they took this too literally. I never found out how come the security guard did not stop them.

Yes, I think too many people are responding from too narrow a view of life. People in some of the best neighborhoods get assaulted, robbed, raped when we don't take needed cautions. When there is no 'doorman' the residents have to man the door so to speak. It is good for a tenants/apt owners to have regularly building meetings so everyone get's familiar with each other.

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Yes, I work in an area where there is a section where materials like brick/rock/stone, wood/trees, etc are broken up and reused/recycled, we get people wandering in those spaces all the time trying to snatch up some free materials. But when those grinders are going, stuff starts flying.

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The big factor for me is whether the civilian treats everyone the same way or not. If he is questioning only POC, then you have every right to be pissed off. If he's questioning whites as well, then he is at worst an overzealous vigilante.

I mean we can't have it both ways. We can't say cops are worthless and therefore need to police our own communities, and then criticize those who actually police their own communities.

I won't deal with civilians, PERIOD----I'll gladly wait for a security guard or police officer to handle the situation.

As a law-abiding citizen and the son of an NYPD officer, having to prove myself to some civilian who considers me a threat (because of who I am) makes me see red. Not having it. White folks don't accept second-class treatment...neither will I.

I remember a complex I lived in, one saturday evening I'm home and I hear this commotion in the hallway. 1/2 of me said mind your own business. The other 1/2 said but this woman could be raped.
And I didn't want to wake to the news that a woman was raped in my building hallway and I did nothing about it. She was his husband, she was drunk and he was trying to get her home safely but she was fighting him and it just didn't sound right. I was willing to risk him being upset and me being wrong.

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I won't deal with civilians, PERIOD----I'll gladly wait for a security guard or police officer to handle the situation.

As a law-abiding citizen and the son of an NYPD officer, having to prove myself to some civilian who considers me a threat (because of who I am) makes me see red. Not having it. White folks don't accept second-class treatment...neither will I.


Just to clarify, you won't deal with any civilians including POC?

And to the best of my knowledge, security guards are considered civilians. They work for private employers, and there are no requirements to become one.

Last I checked, civilians isn't color-specific. Folks of color can be just as clueless and ignorant as white folks. I've had my share of incidents with them too, mainly for committing the crime of walking through a particular neighborhood. Looks and stares I can deal with....but that third-degree shit sets me off big time.

What some here fail to understand is the anger/frustration over having to deal with this constantly - it may be once a week, it may be a couple of times in a day.....always having to prove yourself to someone who thinks you "fit the profile". It's like, "here we go again with this shit....."

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I don't care what your race is, if you're trying to slip past a resident into a building you do not have access to, you should be forced to identify yourself and/or communicate who you are there to visit.

It's common sense, not racism.

Ross Perot was right!!
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Oh you care.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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2freaky4church1 said:

Oh you care.


What's your obsession?

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