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Thread started 07/02/19 5:05am

OnlyNDaUsa

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Nike: the American Flag is Offensive? Pulls "Betsy Ross" flag Shoes.

So colin kaepernick got all sad over Nike shoes with a "Betsy Ross" flag on it and Nike CAVED!


Now sure that is their right but this is going to be bad for Nike... they better reverse.


I assume that colin sees the flag as a slave symbol... how much does Nike Pay children in Korea to make them?


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Reply #1 posted 07/02/19 5:21am

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Fuck anybody and everybody offended by the flag. If you hate so much get the fuck out.

Just sayin'...

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Reply #2 posted 07/02/19 5:26am

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djThunderfunk said:

Fuck anybody and everybody offended by the flag. If you hate so much get the fuck out.

Just sayin'...

and other than pride in one's own nation... that goes for everyone in the world. I do not see any flag or nation even ones with shit-hole governments as offensive as displayed in their homeland.

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Reply #3 posted 07/02/19 5:32am

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/...ocid=ientp

Nike Inc. is yanking a U.S.A.-themed sneaker featuring an early American flag after NFL star-turned-activist Colin Kaepernick told the company it shouldn't sell a shoe with a symbol that he and others consider offensive, according to people familiar with the matter.

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The sneaker giant created the Air Max 1 USA in celebration of the July Fourth holiday, and it was slated to go on sale this week. The heel of the shoe featured a U.S. flag with 13 white stars in a circle, a design created during the American Revolution and commonly referred to as the Betsy Ross flag.

After shipping the shoes to retailers, Nike asked for them to be returned without explaining why, the people said. The shoes aren't available on Nike's own apps and websites.

"Nike has chosen not to release the Air Max 1 Quick Strike Fourth of July as it featured the old version of the American flag," a Nike spokeswoman said.

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After images of the shoe were posted online, Mr. Kaepernick, a Nike endorser, reached out to company officials saying that he and others felt the Betsy Ross flag is an offensive symbol because of its connection to an era of slavery, the people said. Some users on social media responded to posts about the shoe with similar concerns. Mr. Kaepernick declined to comment.

The design was created in the 1770s to represent the 13 original colonies, though there were many early versions of the America flag, according to the Smithsonian In 1795, stars were added to reflect the addition of Vermont and Kentucky as states.In 2016, the superintendent of a Michigan school district apologized after students waved the Betsy Ross flag at a high-school football game, saying that for some it is a symbol of white supremacy and nationalism, according to Mlive.com, a local news outlet. While the flag's use isn't widespread, the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said at the time that it has been appropriated by some extremist groups opposed to America's increasing diversity.

Mr. Kaepernick, 31 years old, last played in the NFL in 2016, the season he began kneeling on the field during the national anthem to call attention to social injustices and racial inequality. He has gone unsigned since and, along with former teammate Eric Reid, recently settled collusion grievances that alleged the league and its teams conspired to keep them unsigned because of their outspoken political views. The settlement was for less than $10 million, The Wall Street Journal previously reported.

Last year, Nike made Mr. Kaepernick the face of an advertising campaign while he was still engaged in that dispute with the league—a risky move given Nike's role as one of the NFL's biggest partners. The campaign generated a backlash among some consumers, who began torching Nike shoes and cutting its swoosh logo out of gear. The protests were countered by expressions of support for Nike.

Since the ad was released, Nike has posted higher sales, boosted by strong demand in both the U.S. and China. In the fourth quarter, sales rose 4% to $10.18 billion. Its share price has climbed more than 15% so far this year.

At least some shoes have already made their way to sneaker enthusiasts. Versions of the Air Max 1 USA were changing hands on sneaker-reselling site StockX for as much as $500 on Monday, according to the site.

Write to Khadeeja Safdar at khadeeja.safdar@wsj.com and Andrew Beaton at andrew.beaton@wsj.com

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Reply #4 posted 07/02/19 6:44am

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Bravo, Nike! Poor little snowflakes got their patriotism hurt. bawl bawl bawl

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Reply #5 posted 07/02/19 7:02am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

So colin kaepernick got all sad over Nike shoes with a "Betsy Ross" flag on it and Nike CAVED!


Now sure that is their right but this is going to be bad for Nike... they better reverse.


I assume that colin sees the flag as a slave symbol... how much does Nike Pay children in Korea to make them?




Are those shoes compliant with the US Flag Code or not?

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Reply #6 posted 07/02/19 7:16am

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So colin kaepernick got all sad over Nike shoes with a "Betsy Ross" flag on it and Nike CAVED!


Now sure that is their right but this is going to be bad for Nike... they better reverse.


I assume that colin sees the flag as a slave symbol... how much does Nike Pay children in Korea to make them?




Are those shoes compliant with the US Flag Code or not?

yes

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #7 posted 07/02/19 7:18am

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13cjk13 said:

Bravo, Nike! Poor little snowflakes got their patriotism hurt. bawl bawl bawl

no it was colon that was triggered and made up a lie to pressure Nike to help iron out his diaper

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Reply #8 posted 07/02/19 7:20am

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Bravo, Nike! Poor little snowflakes got their patriotism hurt. bawl bawl bawl

I say fuck all these right-wing snowflakes and their fake 'patriotism'.

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Reply #9 posted 07/02/19 7:21am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



Are those shoes compliant with the US Flag Code or not?

yes



No, they aren't. I'm surprised that a veteran would not know this.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm


Is it appropriate to fly a flag that has fewer than 50 stars?


Yes.
Official United States flags are always considered living, active flags. From the Betsy Ross flag to the present 50-star flag, any flag that at some time was the official flag is still considered a living flag to be accorded all due respect.


Are flags on T-shirts, ties, etc., really flags?

Yes. According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag." From the US Flag Code:

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.


Other references in the Flag Code relevant to this question are:

  • The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (section 8d)
  • It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like (section 8i)
  • [It should not be] printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes (section 8i)
  • The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (section 8g)
  • No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. (section 8j)

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

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Reply #10 posted 07/02/19 7:22am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

13cjk13 said:

Bravo, Nike! Poor little snowflakes got their patriotism hurt. bawl bawl bawl

no it was colon that was triggered and made up a lie to pressure Nike to help iron out his diaper


I know, right! lol

Someone snowflake gets triggered, throws a temper tantrum, gets his way, then calls everyone that objects a triggered snowflake. Happens in this forum all the time.

Same bullshit, different day.


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Reply #11 posted 07/02/19 7:27am

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djThunderfunk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

no it was colon that was triggered and made up a lie to pressure Nike to help iron out his diaper


I know, right! lol

Someone snowflake gets triggered, throws a temper tantrum, gets his way, then calls everyone that objects a triggered snowflake. Happens in this forum all the time.

Same bullshit, different day.




Do those shoes violate the US Flag Code or not?

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Reply #12 posted 07/02/19 7:30am

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


I know, right! lol

Someone snowflake gets triggered, throws a temper tantrum, gets his way, then calls everyone that objects a triggered snowflake. Happens in this forum all the time.

Same bullshit, different day.




Do those shoes violate the US Flag Code or not?


I don't know and I don't care about the code. It's not about the stupid code to me. It's a code, not a law, so unless you work for the government, who gives a shit.


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Reply #13 posted 07/02/19 7:34am

OnlyNDaUsa

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes



No, they aren't. I'm surprised that a veteran would not know this.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm


Is it appropriate to fly a flag that has fewer than 50 stars?


Yes.
Official United States flags are always considered living, active flags. From the Betsy Ross flag to the present 50-star flag, any flag that at some time was the official flag is still considered a living flag to be accorded all due respect.


Are flags on T-shirts, ties, etc., really flags?

Yes. According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag." From the US Flag Code:

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.


Other references in the Flag Code relevant to this question are:

  • The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (section 8d)
  • It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like (section 8i)
  • [It should not be] printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes (section 8i)
  • The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (section 8g)
  • No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. (section 8j)

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

The code is not enforceable.... the first amendment Trumps the code's prohibition to it being used in such a way that is contrary to the code itself. So yes it is compliant with the law and the code.


as a vet I damn sure will if i so desire used the image of a flag on my clothing. One reason I served was to defend freedom of speech.





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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #14 posted 07/02/19 7:35am

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uPtoWnNY said:

13cjk13 said:

Bravo, Nike! Poor little snowflakes got their patriotism hurt. bawl bawl bawl

I say fuck all these right-wing snowflakes and their fake 'patriotism'.

do you think the flag representes slavery?

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
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Reply #15 posted 07/02/19 7:38am

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Way back when, the left and right was fighting over whether we have the right to burn the flag.

It was clear then, it's clear now.

We absolutely have the right to desecrate the flag, but, as the flag is nothing if not a physical representation of those rights, it is fundamentally stupid to choose to do so.

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Reply #16 posted 07/02/19 7:40am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



No, they aren't. I'm surprised that a veteran would not know this.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm


Is it appropriate to fly a flag that has fewer than 50 stars?


Yes.
Official United States flags are always considered living, active flags. From the Betsy Ross flag to the present 50-star flag, any flag that at some time was the official flag is still considered a living flag to be accorded all due respect.


Are flags on T-shirts, ties, etc., really flags?

Yes. According to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag." From the US Flag Code:

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.


Other references in the Flag Code relevant to this question are:

  • The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (section 8d)
  • It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like (section 8i)
  • [It should not be] printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes (section 8i)
  • The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (section 8g)
  • No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. (section 8j)

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

The code is not enforceable.... the first amendment Trumps the code's prohibition to it being used in such a way that is contrary to the code itself. So yes it is compliant with the law and the code.


as a vet I damn sure will if i so desire used the image of a flag on my clothing. One reason I served was to defend freedom of speech.







I didn't ask if the US Flag Code was enforceable. I asked if Nike's shoe design violated it or not.

I will give you credit, though, for crafting an answer that was both parrtsan and yet no one could belive it if they read it without poltical googles.

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Reply #17 posted 07/02/19 7:41am

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The shoes very clearly violate the US Flag Code and anyone who truly respects the flag would agree with that.

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Reply #18 posted 07/02/19 7:43am

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RodeoSchro said:

The shoes very clearly violate the US Flag Code and anyone who truly respects the flag would agree with that.


I respect the flag but not the code. Which box will you try to put me in for that belief? lol lol lol

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Reply #19 posted 07/02/19 7:43am

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

The code is not enforceable.... the first amendment Trumps the code's prohibition to it being used in such a way that is contrary to the code itself. So yes it is compliant with the law and the code.


as a vet I damn sure will if i so desire used the image of a flag on my clothing. One reason I served was to defend freedom of speech.







I didn't ask if the US Flag Code was enforceable. I asked if Nike's shoe design violated it or not.

I will give you credit, though, for crafting an answer that was both parrtsan and yet no one could belive it if they read it without poltical googles.

the parts of the code that prohibit such uses were deemed unconstunial effectivly removing them from the code.


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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #20 posted 07/02/19 7:44am

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RodeoSchro said:

The shoes very clearly violate the US Flag Code and anyone who truly respects the flag would agree with that.

and the Constitution and SCOTUS disagree with you....

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I'm not going to claim to have knowledge of this flag, but if it is true that extremists have used it as a symbol of white nationalism, and to oppse diversity, then it is right that they were pulled IMO. Nike will gain as much support from this move as they might lose, and the worldwide publicity they have generated is worth $$$$$.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum', at least have a reason to do so.
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djThunderfunk said:

RodeoSchro said:

The shoes very clearly violate the US Flag Code and anyone who truly respects the flag would agree with that.


I respect the flag but not the code. Which box will you try to put me in for that belief? lol lol lol



You are clearly in the box that does not respect the flag but do not realize it, or wish to create conflict by posting mutually-exclusive positions.

Giving you the absolute benefit of the doubt, the best description of your position is "confused".

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Reply #23 posted 07/02/19 7:46am

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maplenpg said:

I'm not going to claim to have knowledge of this flag, but if it is true that extremists have used it as a symbol of white nationalism, and to oppse diversity, then it is right that they were pulled IMO. Nike will gain as much support from this move as they might lose, and the worldwide publicity they have generated is worth $$$$$.




All you have to do is read reply #9 and you will know all you need to know about this flag and how it should be treated with respect to clothing.

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Reply #24 posted 07/02/19 7:51am

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


I respect the flag but not the code. Which box will you try to put me in for that belief? lol lol lol



You are clearly in the box that does not respect the flag but do not realize it, or wish to create conflict by posting mutually-exclusive positions.

Giving you the absolute benefit of the doubt, the best description of your position is "confused".

the flag as a symbol represents the freedom to use icons that resemble it in a way that some snowflakes may not like... but this topic is not about the flag code... i demand you cease and desist any further attempts to derail this topic.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



You are clearly in the box that does not respect the flag but do not realize it, or wish to create conflict by posting mutually-exclusive positions.

Giving you the absolute benefit of the doubt, the best description of your position is "confused".

the flag as a symbol represents the freedom to use icons that resemble it in a way that some snowflakes may not like... but this topic is not about the flag code... i demand you cease and desist any further attempts to derail this topic.



This thread is about the Nike "Betsy Ross" shoes and every single post I've made about them is relevant to this thread.

I hereby demand that you stop trolling; stop evading actual relevant facts; stop making ridiculous demands; and learn how to spell even the simplest of words.

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


I respect the flag but not the code. Which box will you try to put me in for that belief? lol lol lol



You are clearly in the box that does not respect the flag but do not realize it, or wish to create conflict by posting mutually-exclusive positions.

Giving you the absolute benefit of the doubt, the best description of your position is "confused".


If you can't understand a simple concept maybe you are confused.

The flag is a symbol of our country and our RIGHTS. One of our rights is freedom of speech. Freedom of speech allows us to desecrate the flag. Choosing to desecrate that which represents your right to desecrate is asinine.

What about this confuses you so much? It must be that I don't adhere to one of the proscribed stances: either worship the flag or burn the flag.

Sorry I don't embrace simpleton preapproved positions and choose to instead approach it from a logical view.


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Reply #27 posted 07/02/19 8:09am

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the flag as a symbol represents the freedom to use icons that resemble it in a way that some snowflakes may not like... but this topic is not about the flag code... i demand you cease and desist any further attempts to derail this topic.



This thread is about the Nike "Betsy Ross" shoes and every single post I've made about them is relevant to this thread.

I hereby demand that you stop trolling; stop evading actual relevant facts; stop making ridiculous demands; and learn how to spell even the simplest of words.

oh you mock a person's disability? classy as ever.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #28 posted 07/02/19 8:18am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



This thread is about the Nike "Betsy Ross" shoes and every single post I've made about them is relevant to this thread.

I hereby demand that you stop trolling; stop evading actual relevant facts; stop making ridiculous demands; and learn how to spell even the simplest of words.

oh you mock a person's disability? classy as ever.



What is this disability that you claim?

Keep in mind, you've already admitted that most of the time you misspelled Barack Obama's name, you said you did it on purpose in order to get a rise.

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djThunderfunk said:

RodeoSchro said:



You are clearly in the box that does not respect the flag but do not realize it, or wish to create conflict by posting mutually-exclusive positions.

Giving you the absolute benefit of the doubt, the best description of your position is "confused".


If you can't understand a simple concept maybe you are confused.

The flag is a symbol of our country and our RIGHTS. One of our rights is freedom of speech. Freedom of speech allows us to desecrate the flag. Choosing to desecrate that which represents your right to desecrate is asinine.

What about this confuses you so much? It must be that I don't adhere to one of the proscribed stances: either worship the flag or burn the flag.

Sorry I don't embrace simpleton preapproved positions and choose to instead approach it from a logical view.


[Edited 7/2/19 7:59am]




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