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Reply #60 posted 06/30/19 10:32am

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My baby SE Cupp pissing me off? Morning Joe said the same shit. I do think the Dems misspoke. They may have meant giving health care to immigrants who are here now. Not saying all immigrants, come to America and get some health care. It's not like billions go to Norway and Sweden.

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Reply #61 posted 06/30/19 10:32am

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Kamala really helped Warren and Bernie out. She cucked Biden.

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Reply #62 posted 06/30/19 10:55am

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2freaky4church1 said:

My baby SE Cupp pissing me off? Morning Joe said the same shit. I do think the Dems misspoke. They may have meant giving health care to immigrants who are here now. Not saying all immigrants, come to America and get some health care. It's not like billions go to Norway and Sweden.



Well you can see how republicans will hit hard with this, ...and how it will resonate with A LOT of Americans.

Especially those needing the slightest things to trigger any latent negative feelings toward brown people.

Dems need to qualify this now and qualify it often. It’s not going away, and it’s going to be a major right wing talking point. They need to formulate a strong response.

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Reply #63 posted 06/30/19 5:30pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I don’t usually agree with SE Cupp, but I completely agree with her here. I was going to post something similar but she’s able to say it better.


but some of the damage is done. They’ve already said it.

The Republicans are not saying anything right now, but the are happy as shit that most all the Dems went here with immigration. The republicans rebuttal is simple. There are so many of us here legally desperately trying to get health care or at least affordable health care and Dems are promising illegal immigrants more than legal Americans can even get. It’s a simplistic message, but it will be a really really effective one.



if the Dems don’t listen to this message, they will lose no doubt about it.


https://youtu.be/Y9tGMUq4XEQ




[Edited 6/29/19 21:38pm]



Quoted For The Truth!

Harris won't bring out black voters, not in the primary anyway. They're suspect of her because she's locked up so many young black men, and according to the MSNBC poll numbers, blacks are more likely to support Biden or Bernie than her.

[Edited 6/30/19 17:32pm]
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Reply #64 posted 06/30/19 6:46pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I don’t usually agree with SE Cupp, but I completely agree with her here. I was going to post something similar but she’s able to say it better.


but some of the damage is done. They’ve already said it.

The Republicans are not saying anything right now, but the are happy as shit that most all the Dems went here with immigration. The republicans rebuttal is simple. There are so many of us here legally desperately trying to get health care or at least affordable health care and Dems are promising illegal immigrants more than legal Americans can even get. It’s a simplistic message, but it will be a really really effective one.



if the Dems don’t listen to this message, they will lose no doubt about it.


https://youtu.be/Y9tGMUq4XEQ




[Edited 6/29/19 21:38pm]



[b]Quoted For The Truth!



Well, you’re the case in point. You are so triggered by this and can’t wait to talk about anything that is anti-immigrant. Then you can’t wait to talk about Harris.

Is there anything you want to share with us about why Harris and immigrants get you so riled up?
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Reply #65 posted 06/30/19 8:54pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said:


Quoted For The Truth!



Well, you’re the case in point. You are so triggered by this and can’t wait to talk about anything that is anti-immigrant. Then you can’t wait to talk about Harris.

Is there anything you want to share with us about why Harris and immigrants get you so riled up?



So because I quoted and agreed with YOUR post I'm "riled up?" You wrote it, not me. lol

Why don't you go check the polling numbers I mentioned instead of projecting so hard lol

[Edited 6/30/19 21:07pm]
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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:
Well, you’re the case in point. You are so triggered by this and can’t wait to talk about anything that is anti-immigrant. Then you can’t wait to talk about Harris. Is there anything you want to share with us about why Harris and immigrants get you so riled up?
So because I quoted and agreed with YOUR post I'm "riled up?" You wrote it, not me. lol Why don't you go check the polling numbers I mentioned instead of projecting so hard lol [Edited 6/30/19 21:07pm]


Let’s be honest now. That’s all you ever post about.

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Reply #67 posted 06/30/19 9:15pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:



guitarslinger44 said:


Ugot2shakesumthin said:
Well, you’re the case in point. You are so triggered by this and can’t wait to talk about anything that is anti-immigrant. Then you can’t wait to talk about Harris. Is there anything you want to share with us about why Harris and immigrants get you so riled up?

So because I quoted and agreed with YOUR post I'm "riled up?" You wrote it, not me. lol Why don't you go check the polling numbers I mentioned instead of projecting so hard lol [Edited 6/30/19 21:07pm]


Let’s be honest now. That’s all you ever post about.



So now I have to check in with you about what I post about? lol My, you think highly of yourself.

BTW I have never posted about Harris lol Ass.

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Reply #68 posted 07/01/19 6:59am

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If I could pick an entire election meme right now it would be - The Dems are going to lose again because...

Repubs LOVE this game, and many Dems seem to love their own self-flagellation as well. The truth is - Trump is SO awful, ANYBODY should be able to beat him. Who ever gets the nom, I will vote for. Anybody that doesn't is a Trump Republican, no matter what they say.

[Edited 7/1/19 7:03am]

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Reply #69 posted 07/02/19 2:20pm

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Good news, it looks like at least one candidate with no chance in hell is on their way out.


Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper’s senior team urged him last month to withdraw from the presidential race gracefully and run for Colorado’s Senate seat or pursue other opportunities, a source familiar with the situation told POLITICO.

The source said that the campaign only has about 13,000 donors, making it almost impossible to qualify for the next round of presidential debates in the fall. The campaign also only raised just over $1 million in the second quarter — about what he raised in the first 48 hours of his candidacy — and will likely run out of money completely in about a month.
[Edited 7/2/19 14:21pm]
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Reply #70 posted 07/02/19 3:49pm

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poppys said:

If I could pick an entire election meme right now it would be - The Dems are going to lose again because...

Repubs LOVE this game, and many Dems seem to love their own self-flagellation as well. The truth is - Trump is SO awful, ANYBODY should be able to beat him. Who ever gets the nom, I will vote for. Anybody that doesn't is a Trump Republican, no matter what they say.

[Edited 7/1/19 7:03am]



I'm a liberal, I want Trump out, but if Biden gets the nomination this is going to be 2016 all over again. Someone should tell him to sit this out and retire, man's old as fuck and is a dinosaur regardless.
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Reply #71 posted 07/03/19 8:41am

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A liberal? Tells me plenty,

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #72 posted 07/03/19 9:04am

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2freaky4church1 said:

A liberal? Tells me plenty,


Liberal but not leftist, so there you go. The cat is out of the bag now lol

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Reply #73 posted 07/03/19 4:48pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Here is everything Marianne Williamson said, verbatim. She was AWESOME.



On how she’d lower the cost of prescription drugs:


First of all, the government should never have made the deal with Big Pharma that they couldn’t negotiate. That was just part of the regular corruption by which corporations have their way with us. You know, I want to say, and while I agree — and I’m with Sen. Bennet and others, but I agree with almost everything here.



I tell you one thing, it’s really nice if we have all these plans, but if you think we beat Donald Trump by just having all these plans, you’ve got another thing coming. Because he didn’t win by saying he had a plan. He won by simply saying, “Make America Great Again.”


We have to get deeper than just these superficial fixes, as important as they are. Even if we’re just talking about the superficial fixes, ladies and gentlemen, we don’t have a health care system in the United States, we have a sickness care system in the United States. We just wait until somebody gets sick and then we talk about who is going pay for the treatment and how they’re going to be treated.



What we need to talk about is why so many Americans have unnecessary chronic illnesses, so many more, compared to other countries. It gets back into not just Big Pharma, not just health insurance companies, but it has to do with chemical policies, it has to do with environmental policies, it has to do with food, it has to do with drug policies, and it has to do with environment policies.


On family separation:


What Donald Trump has done to the children, and it’s not just in Colorado, [Gov. Hickenlooper], you’re right, it is kidnapping and it’s extremely important for us to realize that.


If you forcibly take a child from their parents’ arms, you are kidnapping them. If you take a lot of children and you put them in a detainment center, thus inflicting trauma upon them, that’s called child abuse. This is collective child abuse. … Both of those things are a crime. If your government does it, that doesn’t make it less of a crime. These are state-sponsored crimes.



What President Trump has done is not only attack these children, not only demonize these immigrants, he is attacking a basic principle of America’s moral core: We open our hearts to the stranger.



This is extremely important. It’s also important for all of us, and I have great respect for everyone who is on this stage, but we’re going to talk about what to do about health care? Well, where have you been, guys? Because it’s not just a matter of a plan, and I haven’t heard anybody on this stage who has talked about American foreign policy in Latin America and how we might have in the last few decades contributed to something being more helpful.


On criminal justice reform and police brutality:


All of these issues are extremely important, but they are specifics, they are symptoms, and the underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of racial injustice, both in our criminal justice system and in our economic system. And the Democratic Party should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason. I do not believe, I do not believe, that the average American is a racist, but the average American is woefully undereducated about the history of race in the United States.


On addressing climate change — and age?


The fact that somebody has a younger body doesn’t mean that you don’t have old ideas. John Kennedy did not say, “I have a plan to get a man to the moon, and so we’re going to do it, and I think we can all work together, and maybe we can get a man on the moon.” John Kennedy said, “By the end of this decade, we are going to put a man on the moon.” Because John Kennedy was back in the day when politics included the people and included imagination and included great dreams and included great plans.



I have had a career not making the political plans, but I have had I a career harnessing the inspiration and the motivation and the excitement of people. Masses of people. When we know that when we say we are going to turn from a dirty economy to a clean economy, we’re going to have a Green New Deal, we’re going to create millions of jobs, we’re going to do this within the next 12 years, because I’m not interested in just winning the next election, we are interested in our grandchildren. Then it will happen.


On which issue she would push first as president:


My first call is to the prime minister of New Zealand, who said her goal was to make New Zealand the place where it’s the best place in the world for a child to grow up. And I will tell her, “Girlfriend, you are so on.” Because the United States of America is going to be the best place in the world for a child to grow up.


On the international relationship she would reset:


One of my first phone calls would be to call the European leaders and say, “We’re baaack.” Because I totally understand how important it is that the United States be part of the Western alliance.


Her closing statement — and message to Donald Trump:


I’m sorry we haven’t talked more tonight about how we’re going to beat Donald Trump. I have an idea about Donald Trump: Donald Trump is not going to be beaten just by insider politics talk. He’s not going to be beaten just by somebody who has plans. He’s going to be beaten by somebody who has an idea what the man has done. This man has reached into the psyche of the American people and he has harnessed fear for political purposes.



So, Mr. President — if you’re listening — I want you to hear me please: You have harnessed fear for political purposes and only love can cast that out. So I, sir, I have a feeling you know what you’re doing. I’m going to harness love for political purposes. I will meet you on that field, and sir, love will win.


She made me cringe every time she opened her mouth. She humiliated her self every time she opened her mouth. She has no chance in hell. HOPEFULLY she is gone by the time the next debate.
[Edited 7/3/19 16:51pm]
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Reply #74 posted 07/03/19 5:00pm

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Mayor Pete is the best choice. Then there are a few that are ok with me. Harris is ok. Biden is ok. Beto is ok. The rest should know they have no chance in hell.
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Reply #75 posted 07/03/19 5:09pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

RodeoSchro said:

Here is everything Marianne Williamson said, verbatim. She was AWESOME.


On how she’d lower the cost of prescription drugs:

First of all, the government should never have made the deal with Big Pharma that they couldn’t negotiate. That was just part of the regular corruption by which corporations have their way with us. You know, I want to say, and while I agree — and I’m with Sen. Bennet and others, but I agree with almost everything here.


I tell you one thing, it’s really nice if we have all these plans, but if you think we beat Donald Trump by just having all these plans, you’ve got another thing coming. Because he didn’t win by saying he had a plan. He won by simply saying, “Make America Great Again.”

We have to get deeper than just these superficial fixes, as important as they are. Even if we’re just talking about the superficial fixes, ladies and gentlemen, we don’t have a health care system in the United States, we have a sickness care system in the United States. We just wait until somebody gets sick and then we talk about who is going pay for the treatment and how they’re going to be treated.


What we need to talk about is why so many Americans have unnecessary chronic illnesses, so many more, compared to other countries. It gets back into not just Big Pharma, not just health insurance companies, but it has to do with chemical policies, it has to do with environmental policies, it has to do with food, it has to do with drug policies, and it has to do with environment policies.

On family separation:

What Donald Trump has done to the children, and it’s not just in Colorado, [Gov. Hickenlooper], you’re right, it is kidnapping and it’s extremely important for us to realize that.

If you forcibly take a child from their parents’ arms, you are kidnapping them. If you take a lot of children and you put them in a detainment center, thus inflicting trauma upon them, that’s called child abuse. This is collective child abuse. … Both of those things are a crime. If your government does it, that doesn’t make it less of a crime. These are state-sponsored crimes.


What President Trump has done is not only attack these children, not only demonize these immigrants, he is attacking a basic principle of America’s moral core: We open our hearts to the stranger.


This is extremely important. It’s also important for all of us, and I have great respect for everyone who is on this stage, but we’re going to talk about what to do about health care? Well, where have you been, guys? Because it’s not just a matter of a plan, and I haven’t heard anybody on this stage who has talked about American foreign policy in Latin America and how we might have in the last few decades contributed to something being more helpful.

On criminal justice reform and police brutality:

All of these issues are extremely important, but they are specifics, they are symptoms, and the underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of racial injustice, both in our criminal justice system and in our economic system. And the Democratic Party should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason. I do not believe, I do not believe, that the average American is a racist, but the average American is woefully undereducated about the history of race in the United States.

On addressing climate change — and age?

The fact that somebody has a younger body doesn’t mean that you don’t have old ideas. John Kennedy did not say, “I have a plan to get a man to the moon, and so we’re going to do it, and I think we can all work together, and maybe we can get a man on the moon.” John Kennedy said, “By the end of this decade, we are going to put a man on the moon.” Because John Kennedy was back in the day when politics included the people and included imagination and included great dreams and included great plans.


I have had a career not making the political plans, but I have had I a career harnessing the inspiration and the motivation and the excitement of people. Masses of people. When we know that when we say we are going to turn from a dirty economy to a clean economy, we’re going to have a Green New Deal, we’re going to create millions of jobs, we’re going to do this within the next 12 years, because I’m not interested in just winning the next election, we are interested in our grandchildren. Then it will happen.

On which issue she would push first as president:

My first call is to the prime minister of New Zealand, who said her goal was to make New Zealand the place where it’s the best place in the world for a child to grow up. And I will tell her, “Girlfriend, you are so on.” Because the United States of America is going to be the best place in the world for a child to grow up.

On the international relationship she would reset:

One of my first phone calls would be to call the European leaders and say, “We’re baaack.” Because I totally understand how important it is that the United States be part of the Western alliance.

Her closing statement — and message to Donald Trump:

I’m sorry we haven’t talked more tonight about how we’re going to beat Donald Trump. I have an idea about Donald Trump: Donald Trump is not going to be beaten just by insider politics talk. He’s not going to be beaten just by somebody who has plans. He’s going to be beaten by somebody who has an idea what the man has done. This man has reached into the psyche of the American people and he has harnessed fear for political purposes.


So, Mr. President — if you’re listening — I want you to hear me please: You have harnessed fear for political purposes and only love can cast that out. So I, sir, I have a feeling you know what you’re doing. I’m going to harness love for political purposes. I will meet you on that field, and sir, love will win.

She made me cringe every time she opened her mouth. She humiliated her self every time she opened her mouth. She has no chance in hell. HOPEFULLY she is gone by the time the next debate. [Edited 7/3/19 16:51pm]

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Reply #76 posted 07/03/19 5:22pm

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^
That’s nice, but nothing to do with reality, polls or fundraising. Most polls list her at the bottom of polls.
Honestly she was awful. She’s a self-help guru and that bullshit registers with some people but god it was cringeworthy.

Didn’t she say something like..(and I’m paraphrasing here) she wanted to use a farm-fresh holistic approach to government using love, twigs, branches, 7 magic spices, fermented herbs, scented candles, leaves and essential oils to bring peace and harmony into the universe, whereas Trump was just a meanie-head..
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Reply #77 posted 07/04/19 8:44am

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i don't think all of the heat and knocks Biden has been getting are necessarily fair. And I don't think the heat and knocks are necessarily bad. Without it, a candidate may get close to the nomination brittle and break at the most demanding moment. He has to prove once again he can take the heat and take the knocks.
The heat and knocks can forge a stronger candidate, or show us a candidate that can break under pressure. If Biden can forge through and assert his mettle, which I think he can, then he will win.

And Awe can say the same about any of the candidates running, but Biden has shown us he has what it takes many times previously.
Harris and Mayor Pete on the other hand have to go through this brutal process for the first time in their lives, a very public vetting process that I don't think too many people can take. Or at least take without losing their dignity or go through it graciously. And those that do come out of the other side, I have to tip my hat to. Even Trump. Yes I said it.

They say successful politicians are a very different breed, ....egocentric gluttons for punishment or psychopaths. Sometimes both.

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The 14 candidates who have locked in a spot on the July debate stage by qualifying through both donors and polling, in alphabetical order, are:

former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey;

Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind.

former housing secretary Julián Castro

Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York

Senator Kamala Harris of California;

Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington

Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota;

former Representative Beto O’Rourke of Texas

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

self-help author Marianne Williamson

and the former tech executive Andrew Yang.

Really hoping self-help author Marianne Williamson and Yang both exist as they add nothing to the discussion.

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Reply #79 posted 07/11/19 11:58am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:



The 14 candidates who have locked in a spot on the July debate stage by qualifying through both donors and polling, in alphabetical order, are:

former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey;

Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind.

former housing secretary Julián Castro

Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York

Senator Kamala Harris of California;

Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington

Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota;

former Representative Beto O’Rourke of Texas

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

self-help author Marianne Williamson

and the former tech executive Andrew Yang.

Really hoping self-help author Marianne Williamson and Yang both exist as they add nothing to the discussion.

Williamson and Yang will drop out soon - but they have made some interesting points.

Next out (my guess) are Gabbard and Gillibrand - and unless he can improve from his last showing, Beto.







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