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Trump rape and sexual assault allegations

new accusations of (attempted?) rape by Persistent Turd.

https://www.huffpost.com/...375f4c0e2b

This time around, the accusations are out front.
Last time around, his buddy from the National Enqirer help silence and kill stories from appearing.

How do you think this will play this out this time around?

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Reply #1 posted 06/21/19 11:07am

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He is and always will be an unrepentant serial adulterer. It would not be a stretch of the imagination to think that he's a rapist, too.

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Reply #2 posted 06/21/19 11:37am

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The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. I am so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.

I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me. It turns into a colossal struggle. I am wearing a pair of sturdy black patent-leather four-inch Barneys high heels, which puts my height around six-one, and I try to stomp his foot. I try to push him off with my one free hand — for some reason, I keep holding my purse with the other — and I finally get a knee up high enough to push him out and off and I turn, open the door, and run out of the dressing room.

The whole episode lasts no more than three minutes. I do not believe he ejaculates. I don’t remember if any person or attendant is now in the lingerie department. I don’t remember if I run for the elevator or if I take the slow ride down on the escalator. As soon as I land on the main floor, I run through the store and out the door — I don’t recall which door — and find myself outside on Fifth Avenue.


(Link)

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Reply #3 posted 06/21/19 11:39am

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After reading the full article there is a very good reason why I believe it. Do I think her coming forward will change a single thing? No I don't.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #4 posted 06/21/19 12:56pm

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Donald J. Trump: You know and ...


Unknown
: She used to be great. She’s still very beautiful.


Trump
: I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it.


Unknown
: Whoa.


Trump
: I did try and fuck her. She was married.


Unknown
: That’s huge news.


Trump
: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.


She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —


I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.

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Reply #5 posted 06/21/19 1:37pm

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Wow, and it will be no surprise that he will deny it. Having just about 16 women accuse him, it can't be a lie. Sadly, many of his supporters will call her a liar, and give trump the usual pass.
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Reply #6 posted 06/21/19 2:36pm

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https://www.google.com/am...4bab1.html

Why it matters: Carroll's accusation is the 16th allegation of sexual misconduct or assault levied against the president throughout his time in public life — all of which he has denied.

Trump was caught on tape in 2005 during filming for an episode of "Access Hollywood" discussing groping and kissing women and saying that "when you’re a star, they let you do it." That tape was given to the Washington Post during the 2016 election.
Axios is reaching out to the White House for response. The White House told New York magazine: "This is a completely false and unrealistic story surfacing 25 years after allegedly taking place and was created simply to make the President look bad."
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Reply #7 posted 06/21/19 2:56pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

new accusations of (attempted?) rape by Persistent Turd.

https://www.huffpost.com/...375f4c0e2b

This time around, the accusations are out front.
Last time around, his buddy from the National Enqirer help silence and kill stories from appearing.

How do you think this will play this out this time around?

thats a good description/title for him: Persistent Turd biggrin lol doody doody doody

And I see that:

"Carroll wrote that she didn’t come forward sooner because “receiving death threats, being driven from my home, being dismissed, being dragged through the mud, and joining the 15 women who’ve come forward with credible stories about how the man grabbed, badgered, belittled, mauled, molested, and assaulted them, only to see the man turn it around, deny, threaten, and attack them, never sounded like much fun.”


16 women now, my goodness

He's the one that needs to be "Locked Up"

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Reply #8 posted 06/21/19 3:53pm

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Trump responded


President Trump: “I’ve never met this person in my life.”

....And of course, someone immediately posts a picture of them together on Twitter.


Photo caption: “Carroll, Donald and Ivana Trump, and Carrolls’s then-husband… at an NBC party around 1987.”


Can’t make this up.
[Edited 6/21/19 15:54pm]
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Reply #9 posted 06/21/19 4:15pm

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Scary... As to why she did not tell then? many woman do not for fear on not being belived... which is her problem now. Too few will belive her--for the reaon "why now?"

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
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Reply #10 posted 06/21/19 4:22pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Scary... As to why she did not tell then? many woman do not for fear on not being belived... which is her problem now. Too few will belive her--for the reaon "why now?"


She explained why she didn’t come forward. But she did tell friends at the time, and the reporters verified that she did in fact tell them what he had done at the time of the incident.

and let’s repeat that at least 16 women have come forward with with claims of sexual misconduct. And Turd himself caught on video boasting about it.

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Reply #11 posted 06/21/19 4:26pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Scary... As to why she did not tell then? many woman do not for fear on not being belived... which is her problem now. Too few will belive her--for the reaon "why now?"


She explained why she didn’t come forward. But she did tell friends at the time, and the reporters verified that she did in fact tell them what he had done at the time of the incident.

and let’s repeat that at least 16 women have come forward with with claims of sexual misconduct. And Turd himself caught on video boasting about it.

yeah and your point is what?

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
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that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #12 posted 06/21/19 4:39pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:


She explained why she didn’t come forward. But she did tell friends at the time, and the reporters verified that she did in fact tell them what he had done at the time of the incident.

and let’s repeat that at least 16 women have come forward with with claims of sexual misconduct. And Turd himself caught on video boasting about it.

yeah and your point is what?

What’s YOUR point

lol

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Reply #13 posted 06/21/19 4:59pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




Ugot2shakesumthin said:




She explained why she didn’t come forward. But she did tell friends at the time, and the reporters verified that she did in fact tell them what he had done at the time of the incident.



and let’s repeat that at least 16 women have come forward with with claims of sexual misconduct. And Turd himself caught on video boasting about it.







yeah and your point is what?



What’s YOUR point


lol



That if it was Bill Clinton being accused here, he'd repeat it 8347 times. Because it's Trump, the exact same story is "hard to believe "
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Reply #14 posted 06/21/19 6:17pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

What’s YOUR point

lol

That if it was Bill Clinton being accused here, he'd repeat it 8347 times. Because it's Trump, the exact same story is "hard to believe "

LOL did I defend trump? did you defend the clintons?

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #15 posted 06/21/19 6:18pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




Ugot2shakesumthin said:




She explained why she didn’t come forward. But she did tell friends at the time, and the reporters verified that she did in fact tell them what he had done at the time of the incident.



and let’s repeat that at least 16 women have come forward with with claims of sexual misconduct. And Turd himself caught on video boasting about it.







yeah and your point is what?



What’s YOUR point


lol



That if it was Bill Clinton being accused here, he'd repeat it 8347 times. Because it's Trump, the exact same story is "hard to believe "


Well at least he’s owned up at least once that character he’s trolling here is a hypocritical partisan hack. At least he has moment of honesty.
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Reply #16 posted 06/21/19 6:36pm

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Women don't come out and tell because of the threats they get when it's a high profile figure.

For example; Christine Blasey Ford was getting death threats, and had to move her family around for safety.


She explained in the story why she didn't tell then. You have to remember we didn't have the #metoo movement back then.


Les Moonves is a dick, I don't know how Julie Chen can stay married to him.

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Reply #17 posted 06/21/19 6:46pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Trump responded President Trump: “I’ve never met this person in my life.” ....And of course, someone immediately posts a picture of them together on Twitter. Photo caption: “Carroll, Donald and Ivana Trump, and Carrolls’s then-husband… at an NBC party around 1987.” Can’t make this up. [Edited 6/21/19 15:54pm]


I posted the same thing to him on twitter, but didn't realize he'd responded on twitter. I posted it under a post he was making about Iran.

Here is the picture:


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Reply #18 posted 06/21/19 6:48pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Trump responded


President Trump: “I’ve never met this person in my life.”

....And of course, someone immediately posts a picture of them together on Twitter.


Photo caption: “Carroll, Donald and Ivana Trump, and Carrolls’s then-husband… at an NBC party around 1987.”


Can’t make this up.
[Edited 6/21/19 15:54pm]

He’s denied every accusation or claim he never met or know them. He’s probably done it to so many women he can’t remember. There is no way 16 women are all liars that claim he sexually assaulted them in some away. I’m glad she let other people know at the time it happened. Many men like him have used the power of their wealth to take advantage of women, and know that they will have a hard time proving the action happened, when no one else is around to witness it.
As an American you have a right to question/call your country out on its wrongs/injustices. That doesn’t make you un-American nor does anyone have a right to tell you to leave, because you have the courage to stand up against any injustice in this count
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Reply #19 posted 06/21/19 6:50pm

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PennyPurple said:

Women don't come out and tell because of the threats they get when it's a high profile figure.


For example; Christine Blasey Ford was getting death threats, and had to move her family around for safety.



She explained in the story why she didn't tell then. You have to remember we didn't have the #metoo movement back then.



Les Moonves is a dick, I don't know how Julie Chen can stay married to him.


His wealth. She’s used to that lifestyle and probably refuses to have it any other way.
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Reply #20 posted 06/21/19 6:54pm

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PennyPurple said:

Women don't come out and tell because of the threats they get when it's a high profile figure.

For example; Christine Blasey Ford was getting death threats, and had to move her family around for safety.


She explained in the story why she didn't tell then. You have to remember we didn't have the #metoo movement back then.


Les Moonves is a dick, I don't know how Julie Chen can stay married to him.


There was a No More blog I read tonight that described the fear a survivor feels in telling, though she is talking about child sexual abuse, but it is the same for other women who have been sexually assaulted, that fear in telling:


Try this: Think of your deepest, darkest secret. The one you can’t imagine telling anyone. We all have at least one. Imagine that if you tell this secret, something terrible is going to happen. People you love deeply, upon hearing your secret, will leave you. That is why we survivors fear telling our stories.

There’s a long list of other reasons. They’re all steeped in fear, too. My fear can fill a barn. I’ve been here before so I know what it is: my tongue prefers to push its tip up into my palate like it’s the first line of defense against my voice, and my tear ducts are working overtime constricting every few minutes to hold back the flood; my cheek muscles are swimming in salt water, and my lower lip is pushing back a tremor with all its might; my breath won’t go an inch deeper than the top of my lungs.


I know that when I finally told, the fear was overwhelming. I felt like I had to find every ounce of courage that I could find, and then I could barely speak above a whisper and I could not look at the person I was telling. My voice shook, and I was terrified. I was telling something that was not supposed to be spoken or told. I was afraid that when I told something terrible was going to happen. That fear is incredibly strong, and you really do have to find every little bit of courage that you can find to be able to squeak it out.

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Reply #21 posted 06/21/19 7:03pm

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benni said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


Trump responded President Trump: “I’ve never met this person in my life.” ....And of course, someone immediately posts a picture of them together on Twitter. Photo caption: “Carroll, Donald and Ivana Trump, and Carrolls’s then-husband… at an NBC party around 1987.” Can’t make this up. [Edited 6/21/19 15:54pm]


I posted the same thing to him on twitter, but didn't realize he'd responded on twitter. I posted it under a post he was making about Iran.

Here is the picture:




Thanks. I find it difficult to imbed pictures on my phone.
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Reply #22 posted 06/22/19 6:09am

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2elijah said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Trump responded


President Trump: “I’ve never met this person in my life.”

....And of course, someone immediately posts a picture of them together on Twitter.


Photo caption: “Carroll, Donald and Ivana Trump, and Carrolls’s then-husband… at an NBC party around 1987.”


Can’t make this up.
[Edited 6/21/19 15:54pm]

He’s denied every accusation or claim he never met or know them. He’s probably done it to so many women he can’t remember. There is no way 16 women are all liars that claim he sexually assaulted them in some away. I’m glad she let other people know at the time it happened. Many men like him have used the power of their wealth to take advantage of women, and know that they will have a hard time proving the action happened, when no one else is around to witness it.


Well, technically it IS possible that they are all liars. I mean, just because 16 women are accusing him of sexual misconduct does not necessarily mean that he is guilty. And I don't mean to come across as if I'm defending Donald Trump either. I find him to be a repulsive excuse for a human being. But accusations do not equate to truth. All it takes is for one person to make a claim and then others smell the money and follow suit with more claims of wrong-doing. That probably isn't the case here and Trump might well be guilty but I came on here some time ago saying that Kevin Spacey and others like him deserve to be treated with the same respect as their accusers. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Now, I do like Kevin Spacey. I think he's a great actor and aside from making young guys very uncomfortable on movie sets, he is reported to be quite a nice man. On the other hand, I absolutely despise Donald Trump. Hate the sight of him. In fact, I think he's a complete and utter joke of a man, never mind President. Basically, I think he's scum. But if I'm going to take that "innocent until proven guilty" stance on Kevin Spacey, it would be hypocritical not to adopt a similar stance with Trump.

In other words, don't let your feelings about the man's politics (or lack thereof) sway your judgement. Regardless of which side you lean on. Judge him on what you know, not what you think might be true.
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Reply #23 posted 06/22/19 6:24am

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Oops, someone said that was her but when I googled the image, it isn't.

[Edited 6/22/19 6:26am]

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Reply #24 posted 06/22/19 7:11am

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EmmaMcG said:[quote]

2elijah said:


He’s denied every accusation or claim he never met or know them. He’s probably done it to so many women he can’t remember. There is no way 16 women are all liars that claim he sexually assaulted them in some away. I’m glad she let other people know at the time it happened. Many men like him have used the power of their wealth to take advantage of women, and know that they will have a hard time proving the action happened, when no one else is around to witness it.


Well, technically it IS possible that they are all liars. I mean, just because 16 women are accusing him of sexual misconduct does not necessarily mean that he is guilty. And I don't mean to come across as if I'm defending Donald Trump either. I find him to be a repulsive excuse for a human being. But accusations do not equate to truth. All it takes is for one person to make a claim and then others smell the money and follow suit with more claims of wrong-doing. That probably isn't the case here and Trump might well be guilty but I came on here some time ago saying that Kevin Spacey and others like him deserve to be treated with the same respect as their accusers. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Now, I do like Kevin Spacey. I think he's a great actor and aside from making young guys very uncomfortable on movie sets, he is reported to be quite a nice man. On the other hand, I absolutely despise Donald Trump. Hate the sight of him. In fact, I think he's a complete and utter joke of a man, never mind President. Basically, I think he's scum. But if I'm going to take that "innocent until proven guilty" stance on Kevin Spacey, it would be hypocritical not to adopt a similar stance with Trump.

In other words, don't let your feelings about the man's politics (or lack thereof) sway your judgement. Regardless of which side you lean on. Judge him on what you know, not what you think might be true.[/quote


Lol. Hold on. Many New Yorkers like myself, have long been aware of Trump’s character as a person. Regardless of his political beliefs, he has always expressed his dislike and disrespect towards various people of color, and his history of disrespect towards many women.

Secondly, I stand by my opinion that not all 16 women are ‘all’ liars regarding their accusations of sexual harassment. Your judgement of trump is yours, as is mine. We don’t have to agree about him. I’m fine with that.

His political beliefs has nothing to do with how I feel about his character, and long history of disrespect towards various people of color. He’s alwsys madd those comments public. He is from my hometown of Queens, NYC, and he later moved across the water to Manhattan. He was always known as a real estate mogul to many New Yorkers, and also known to have a big ego, a bragger and like I said, openly critical of people of color. The latter is new to those who were not familiar of his name/outsiders until he was making the media with his comments about Obama, and then decided to run for president.

On the other hand, I hope many of these women have their day in court, and prepared to have strong evidence of their accusations, because many of them may not be able to afford the best lawyers, that trump can afford, to defend themselves against him.

Thanks for your view on this though, but I’m sure we can agree to disagree.
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Reply #25 posted 06/22/19 7:12am

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EmmaMcG said:

2elijah said:


He’s denied every accusation or claim he never met or know them. He’s probably done it to so many women he can’t remember. There is no way 16 women are all liars that claim he sexually assaulted them in some away. I’m glad she let other people know at the time it happened. Many men like him have used the power of their wealth to take advantage of women, and know that they will have a hard time proving the action happened, when no one else is around to witness it.


Well, technically it IS possible that they are all liars. I mean, just because 16 women are accusing him of sexual misconduct does not necessarily mean that he is guilty. And I don't mean to come across as if I'm defending Donald Trump either. I find him to be a repulsive excuse for a human being. But accusations do not equate to truth. All it takes is for one person to make a claim and then others smell the money and follow suit with more claims of wrong-doing. That probably isn't the case here and Trump might well be guilty but I came on here some time ago saying that Kevin Spacey and others like him deserve to be treated with the same respect as their accusers. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Now, I do like Kevin Spacey. I think he's a great actor and aside from making young guys very uncomfortable on movie sets, he is reported to be quite a nice man. On the other hand, I absolutely despise Donald Trump. Hate the sight of him. In fact, I think he's a complete and utter joke of a man, never mind President. Basically, I think he's scum. But if I'm going to take that "innocent until proven guilty" stance on Kevin Spacey, it would be hypocritical not to adopt a similar stance with Trump.

In other words, don't let your feelings about the man's politics (or lack thereof) sway your judgement. Regardless of which side you lean on. Judge him on what you know, not what you think might be true.



Lol. Hold on. Many New Yorkers like myself, have long been aware of Trump’s character as a person. Regardless of his political beliefs, he has always expressed his dislike and disrespect towards various people of color, and his history of disrespect towards many women.

Secondly, I stand by my opinion that not all 16 women are ‘all’ liars regarding their accusations of sexual harassment. Your judgement of trump is yours, as is mine. We don’t have to agree about him. I’m fine with that.

His political beliefs has nothing to do with how I feel about his character, and long history of disrespect towards various people of color. He’s alwsys madd those comments public. He is from my hometown of Queens, NYC, and he later moved across the water to Manhattan. He was always known as a real estate mogul to many New Yorkers, and also known to have a big ego, a bragger and like I said, openly critical of people of color. The latter is new to those who were not familiar of his name/outsiders until he was making the media with his comments about Obama, and then decided to run for president.

On the other hand, I hope many of these women have their day in court, and prepared to have strong evidence of their accusations, because many of them may not be able to afford the best lawyers, that trump can afford, to defend themselves against him.

Thanks for your view on this though, but I’m sure we can agree to disagree.
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Reply #26 posted 06/22/19 7:38am

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benni said:

Oops, someone said that was her but when I googled the image, it isn't.

[Edited 6/22/19 6:26am]




Thanks for the correction
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Reply #27 posted 06/22/19 7:42am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

benni said:

Oops, someone said that was her but when I googled the image, it isn't.

[Edited 6/22/19 6:26am]

Thanks for the correction



It was another image I had posted. It looked like the woman in the other picture, and I had posted it here, as it was Trump and this woman together. But when I googled the second image, it wasn't Carroll. The first image posted in the thread is her. The one I deleted, was not. Just wanted to clarify that in case people were thinking I was referencing the first image.

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Reply #28 posted 06/22/19 11:59am

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2elijah said:

EmmaMcG said:



Well, technically it IS possible that they are all liars. I mean, just because 16 women are accusing him of sexual misconduct does not necessarily mean that he is guilty. And I don't mean to come across as if I'm defending Donald Trump either. I find him to be a repulsive excuse for a human being. But accusations do not equate to truth. All it takes is for one person to make a claim and then others smell the money and follow suit with more claims of wrong-doing. That probably isn't the case here and Trump might well be guilty but I came on here some time ago saying that Kevin Spacey and others like him deserve to be treated with the same respect as their accusers. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Now, I do like Kevin Spacey. I think he's a great actor and aside from making young guys very uncomfortable on movie sets, he is reported to be quite a nice man. On the other hand, I absolutely despise Donald Trump. Hate the sight of him. In fact, I think he's a complete and utter joke of a man, never mind President. Basically, I think he's scum. But if I'm going to take that "innocent until proven guilty" stance on Kevin Spacey, it would be hypocritical not to adopt a similar stance with Trump.

In other words, don't let your feelings about the man's politics (or lack thereof) sway your judgement. Regardless of which side you lean on. Judge him on what you know, not what you think might be true.



Lol. Hold on. Many New Yorkers like myself, have long been aware of Trump’s character as a person. Regardless of his political beliefs, he has always expressed his dislike and disrespect towards various people of color, and his history of disrespect towards many women.

Secondly, I stand by my opinion that not all 16 women are ‘all’ liars regarding their accusations of sexual harassment. Your judgement of trump is yours, as is mine. We don’t have to agree about him. I’m fine with that.

His political beliefs has nothing to do with how I feel about his character, and long history of disrespect towards various people of color. He’s alwsys madd those comments public. He is from my hometown of Queens, NYC, and he later moved across the water to Manhattan. He was always known as a real estate mogul to many New Yorkers, and also known to have a big ego, a bragger and like I said, openly critical of people of color. The latter is new to those who were not familiar of his name/outsiders until he was making the media with his comments about Obama, and then decided to run for president.

On the other hand, I hope many of these women have their day in court, and prepared to have strong evidence of their accusations, because many of them may not be able to afford the best lawyers, that trump can afford, to defend themselves against him.

Thanks for your view on this though, but I’m sure we can agree to disagree.


I don't even think it's a case of agreeing to disagree. I mean, I do agree with your points and I'm not directing my comments at you specifically. It's kind of difficult to express myself properly in just text alone. But I'll try.

My whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing wasn't just meant for Donald Trump. I meant that for everyone accused of sexual harassment. We're living in a time now where any woman can accuse any man of harassment and they're automatically believed. Now, for genuine cases, that's great. Unfortunately, there will always be those who will use these situations to either further their careers or land a big payday. I'm not mentioning anyone specifically but we all know that these people exist. And the more it happens where innocent people are accused, we as a society are almost desensitised to it. Which has an unfortunate knock on effect of genuine cases being treated less seriously. That's what my point was addressing.

I also said that we shouldn't judge whether someone is innocent or guilty based on their political affiliations. Which is something that seems to happen a lot here in P&R and in the wider world in general. Someone doesn't like someone else so they are more likely to believe that they are guilty despite no proof of wrongdoing. The Left are guilty of that especially when Trump is involved. By that same token, the Right are equally as guilty of that and also when it comes to defending Trump. Now, I'm using Trump as an example here. I could mention any name of anyone associated with either "side". But it all boils down to how we (myself included) should not judge the guilt or innocence of the individual based on preconceived bias.

Now, to address this latest round of accusations against Trump. All of my points above, I stand by. So let's look at what we DO have proof of. Donald Trump does, as you say, have a history of treating black people a certain way. Donald Trump does have a history of treating women a certain way. Donald Trump does have a history of making some of the most childish comments any President has ever made. Donald Trump does have a history of telling lie after lie after lie. So, based on what we know, we can pretty much safely say that Donald Trump is a racist, misogynistic, man-child who would be quite capable of doing everything he's accused of by these women and then lying about it without giving them a second thought. We don't know for sure that he's definitely guilty though. I mean, we kind of know, but we don't know. But based on what we DO know, it definitely warrants further investigation. And we came to that conclusion by looking at what we know to be true rather than believing the stories based on our dislike (or downright hatred) of the man.


Basically, always trust the facts. And if you happen to lean on the same side of the accused, don't let your political leanings blind you from those facts.
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Lol. Hold on. Many New Yorkers like myself, have long been aware of Trump’s character as a person. Regardless of his political beliefs, he has always expressed his dislike and disrespect towards various people of color, and his history of disrespect towards many women. Secondly, I stand by my opinion that not all 16 women are ‘all’ liars regarding their accusations of sexual harassment. Your judgement of trump is yours, as is mine. We don’t have to agree about him. I’m fine with that. His political beliefs has nothing to do with how I feel about his character, and long history of disrespect towards various people of color. He’s alwsys madd those comments public. He is from my hometown of Queens, NYC, and he later moved across the water to Manhattan. He was always known as a real estate mogul to many New Yorkers, and also known to have a big ego, a bragger and like I said, openly critical of people of color. The latter is new to those who were not familiar of his name/outsiders until he was making the media with his comments about Obama, and then decided to run for president. On the other hand, I hope many of these women have their day in court, and prepared to have strong evidence of their accusations, because many of them may not be able to afford the best lawyers, that trump can afford, to defend themselves against him. Thanks for your view on this though, but I’m sure we can agree to disagree.
I don't even think it's a case of agreeing to disagree. I mean, I do agree with your points and I'm not directing my comments at you specifically. It's kind of difficult to express myself properly in just text alone. But I'll try. My whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing wasn't just meant for Donald Trump. I meant that for everyone accused of sexual harassment. We're living in a time now where any woman can accuse any man of harassment and they're automatically believed. Now, for genuine cases, that's great. Unfortunately, there will always be those who will use these situations to either further their careers or land a big payday. I'm not mentioning anyone specifically but we all know that these people exist. And the more it happens where innocent people are accused, we as a society are almost desensitised to it. Which has an unfortunate knock on effect of genuine cases being treated less seriously. That's what my point was addressing. I also said that we shouldn't judge whether someone is innocent or guilty based on their political affiliations. Which is something that seems to happen a lot here in P&R and in the wider world in general. Someone doesn't like someone else so they are more likely to believe that they are guilty despite no proof of wrongdoing. The Left are guilty of that especially when Trump is involved. By that same token, the Right are equally as guilty of that and also when it comes to defending Trump. Now, I'm using Trump as an example here. I could mention any name of anyone associated with either "side". But it all boils down to how we (myself included) should not judge the guilt or innocence of the individual based on preconceived bias. Now, to address this latest round of accusations against Trump. All of my points above, I stand by. So let's look at what we DO have proof of. Donald Trump does, as you say, have a history of treating black people a certain way. Donald Trump does have a history of treating women a certain way. Donald Trump does have a history of making some of the most childish comments any President has ever made. Donald Trump does have a history of telling lie after lie after lie. So, based on what we know, we can pretty much safely say that Donald Trump is a racist, misogynistic, man-child who would be quite capable of doing everything he's accused of by these women and then lying about it without giving them a second thought. We don't know for sure that he's definitely guilty though. I mean, we kind of know, but we don't know. But based on what we DO know, it definitely warrants further investigation. And we came to that conclusion by looking at what we know to be true rather than believing the stories based on our dislike (or downright hatred) of the man. Basically, always trust the facts. And if you happen to lean on the same side of the accused, don't let your political leanings blind you from those facts.


I think we all understand the “until proven guilty” part.
With so many accusers it’s important to highlight how many accusers, but more importantly how many lies this jackass has been caught in. its also important to note how it would not have gotten to this point where it seem he has a sort of cover now, in that a sitting president can use that authority/circumstance to avoid these questions. A circumstance he would not have falling into if these accusations had gone forward BEFORE he sadly became an authority figure to a nation.

i know you know all of this, just wanted to make a note of it.

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