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Reply #90 posted 07/06/19 6:58am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
A lot of those Russians learn quickly how to scam the system... but nobody seems to care very much about THEM

Exactly, and they’re still doing it. Just go to certain areas in Flushing, Queens in the local supermarkets, and see who has the food stamp cards. The Black American residents pay with cash, debit/credit cards. Many Russian immigrants are prejudiced against the Black Americans who have been in certain areas for years. and they turn their noses up at Black Americans, as though we are the immigrants. Many of the Russian immigrants get sucked into the stereotyped, ignorance of American racism. As far as speaking English, many of the elderly ones don’t speak English, and they’re not trying to. You certainly never hear trump complaining about them. No one seems to have a problem with that, but yet demanding Mexicans who come here legal or illegal learn to speak proper English, and degrade them as animals. [Edited 7/1/19 8:26am]


The suggestion that these dirt poor people from Honduras and El Salvador who immigrate here seeking asylum, to escape tyranny, just to work and support their families should take English competency tests is beyond ridiculous.


It’s just another racist tool to prevent them from becoming American citizens. The fear some Americans have of Black and Brown immigrants obtaining political power, in this country, if they’re given citizenship. Trump and many Republicans/conservatives are doing whatever they can to delay the browning of America.
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Reply #91 posted 07/06/19 7:02am

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I don't understand why these children aren't housed with their Moms or Dad's? They said that children are trying to take care of the little ones, even changing their diapers, if they even have diapers.



These are deplorable conditions and something has to be done.



And this stupid Facebook page that these employee's are in, pisses me off too.


It’s intentional. They’re using the kids to punish the parents, to show them that they will make it difficult for them to want to come here. It’s a sad situation and the children are the ones being punished for it.
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Reply #92 posted 07/06/19 7:05am

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guitarslinger44 said:



I used to work at a bar that hired several illegals and am from a town with a lot of farms that hire migrants, most of whom are legal but some of whom aren't. I agree with going after employers who hire them knowingly but that also takes time money and resources. That, and it's also a canard they "these are jobs NO AMERICAN WOULD DO" because those employers would actually have to pay real wages and possibly benefits, so a lot of Americans can't actually live on those jobs. What you're advocating is essentially bringing in a new slave class.

White illegals are a much much smaller number and they blend in easier. The Mexican illegals are the largest in number, the most visible, and they don't blend in, which is why a lot of them get shit for coming here.

Some of the people who are against illegal immigration are racist, but claiming everyone who is against it is, is intellectually dishonest. But at the end of the day, regardless of race, these are all folks who are here illegally. Until crossing the border without being documented is decriminalized, they're all committing a crime.

[Edited 6/30/19 17:09pm]
[Edited 6/30/19 17:12pm]


Plus, if you read me correctly, I'm one of the people who are critical of the bosses who prefer to hire undocumented immigrants that they can exploit. They SHOULD be paying decent wages (and taxes). But it's amusing to me that people take their anger out on the desperate people who take those jobs to do anything to survive (ESPECIALLY if they are Hispanic), but say almost nothing about the exploitive employers (who are mainly White, and included Trump himself)

So true.
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Reply #93 posted 07/06/19 7:11am

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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

The suggestion that these dirt poor people from Honduras and El Salvador who immigrate here seeking asylum, to escape tyranny, just to work and support their families should take English competency tests is beyond ridiculous.


It’s just another racist tool to prevent them from becoming American citizens. The fear some Americans have of Black and Brown immigrants obtaining political power, in this country, if they’re given citizenship. Trump and many Republicans/conservatives are doing whatever they can to delay the browning of America.


Exactly. When their ancestors came here. they didn't have to...

"...pass English competency tests."

Suddenly it's a requirement.

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Reply #94 posted 07/08/19 7:05am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
A lot of those Russians learn quickly how to scam the system... but nobody seems to care very much about THEM

Exactly, and they’re still doing it. Just go to certain areas in Flushing, Queens in the local supermarkets, and see who has the food stamp cards. The Black American residents pay with cash, debit/credit cards. Many Russian immigrants are prejudiced against the Black Americans who have been in certain areas for years. and they turn their noses up at Black Americans, as though we are the immigrants. Many of the Russian immigrants get sucked into the stereotyped, ignorance of American racism. As far as speaking English, many of the elderly ones don’t speak English, and they’re not trying to. You certainly never hear trump complaining about them. No one seems to have a problem with that, but yet demanding Mexicans who come here legal or illegal learn to speak proper English, and degrade them as animals. [Edited 7/1/19 8:26am]


The suggestion that these dirt poor people from Honduras and El Salvador who immigrate here seeking asylum, to escape tyranny, just to work and support their families should take English competency tests is beyond ridiculous.



Being able to speak the language with a degree of competency will greatly increase the amount of success immigrants are able to have. The only jobs they'll be able to get without any English skills are low skill/low wage ones. Do you think they couldn't handle lewrnjng the language or something?
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Reply #95 posted 07/08/19 4:50pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

The suggestion that these dirt poor people from Honduras and El Salvador who immigrate here seeking asylum, to escape tyranny, just to work and support their families should take English competency tests is beyond ridiculous.

Being able to speak the language with a degree of competency will greatly increase the amount of success immigrants are able to have. The only jobs they'll be able to get without any English skills are low skill/low wage ones. Do you think they couldn't handle lewrnjng the language or something? [Edited 7/8/19 7:09am]



You think the people immigrating from these countries have access to education muchless to learning a foreign langauge? rolleyes do some research.

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Reply #96 posted 07/08/19 7:12pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:



guitarslinger44 said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



The suggestion that these dirt poor people from Honduras and El Salvador who immigrate here seeking asylum, to escape tyranny, just to work and support their families should take English competency tests is beyond ridiculous.



Being able to speak the language with a degree of competency will greatly increase the amount of success immigrants are able to have. The only jobs they'll be able to get without any English skills are low skill/low wage ones. Do you think they couldn't handle lewrnjng the language or something? [Edited 7/8/19 7:09am]



You think the people immigrating from these countries have access to education muchless to learning a foreign langauge? rolleyes do some research.



A lot of these folks likely have access to smartphones, hence they could start to learn that way, and then once they get here, there are places that offer classes.

Why do you think these folks have no access to education? Why are your expectations of them so low?

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Reply #97 posted 07/09/19 9:52am

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



You think the people immigrating from these countries have access to education muchless to learning a foreign langauge? rolleyes do some research.

A lot of these folks likely have access to smartphones, hence they could start to learn that way, and then once they get here, there are places that offer classes. Why do you think these folks have no access to education? Why are your expectations of them so low? [Edited 7/8/19 19:13pm]

You assertion is ridiculous They HAVE NO ACCESS to education because they are coming from povertous conditions and fleeing tyranny in their countries of origin.

Once they get there? THEY ARE IN CAGES RIGHT NOW!

disbelief







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Reply #98 posted 07/09/19 11:58am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



guitarslinger44 said:


DiminutiveRocker said:




You think the people immigrating from these countries have access to education muchless to learning a foreign langauge? rolleyes do some research.



A lot of these folks likely have access to smartphones, hence they could start to learn that way, and then once they get here, there are places that offer classes. Why do you think these folks have no access to education? Why are your expectations of them so low? [Edited 7/8/19 19:13pm]



You assertion is ridiculous They HAVE NO ACCESS to education because they are coming from povertous conditions and fleeing tyranny in their countries of origin.

Once they get there? THEY ARE IN CAGES RIGHT NOW!

disbelief








[Edited 7/9/19 9:54am]



So you're saying the places they are coming from have no schools at all? Do you have backup for that or are you just shooting from the hip as usual?

Someone immigrating to Korea, Japan, even places like France or Germany would be expected to have some command of the language to be able to get around. So why not expect that here too? I'll ask for the third time, why do you have such low expectations of these folks?

[Edited 7/9/19 12:00pm]
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Reply #99 posted 07/09/19 1:22pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

You assertion is ridiculous They HAVE NO ACCESS to education because they are coming from povertous conditions and fleeing tyranny in their countries of origin.

Once they get there? THEY ARE IN CAGES RIGHT NOW!

disbelief





So you're saying the places they are coming from have no schools at all? Do you have backup for that or are you just shooting from the hip as usual? Someone immigrating to Korea, Japan, even places like France or Germany would be expected to have some command of the language to be able to get around. So why not expect that here too? I'll ask for the third time, why do you have such low expectations of these folks?


Suddenly they're folks with orderly lives like you have? Check an app? Go to school? Typical patriarchal paternalism from an I GOT MINE.

(Thanks to your ancestors immigration in which they did NOT speak English). I'm guessing they're ashamed of you right now. Trying to keep deserving others out.

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Reply #100 posted 07/09/19 1:35pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

You assertion is ridiculous They HAVE NO ACCESS to education because they are coming from povertous conditions and fleeing tyranny in their countries of origin.

Once they get there? THEY ARE IN CAGES RIGHT NOW!

disbelief







[Edited 7/9/19 9:54am]

So you're saying the places they are coming from have no schools at all? Do you have backup for that or are you just shooting from the hip as usual? Someone immigrating to Korea, Japan, even places like France or Germany would be expected to have some command of the language to be able to get around. So why not expect that here too? I'll ask for the third time, why do you have such low expectations of these folks? [Edited 7/9/19 12:00pm]


lol I'm shooting from the hip? lol (I can hear everyone else laughing right now as well)

I suggest YOU DO A LITTLE RESEARCH - and not demand that we do it for you before you enter a debate.

https://cis.org/Report/Ce...8Fold-1970

Recent news coverage of a caravan from Central America hoping to enter the United States illegally has raised interest in the number and characteristics of Central Americans in the country. A new analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the latest Census Bureau data, which includes legal and illegal immigrants, shows that the size of the Central American immigrant population (from Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama) has grown enormously in recent decades. It also shows immigrants from the region often struggle with high rates of poverty and welfare use and low average incomes. The reason this is the case is not due to an unwillingness to work. In fact, Central Americans (ages 18 to 64) are slightly more likely to hold a job than native-born Americans.

  • Because such a large share of Central Americans have modest levels of education, the share of immigrants and their young children from the region who live in poverty is twice that of natives — 22 percent vs. 11 percent.
  • Perhaps most troubling, 31 percent of the children (under age 18) of Central Americans live in poverty, roughly double the 16 percent rate for the children of natives. Also, 66 percent of the young children of Central Americans live in or near poverty.


Immigrants are hard workers who want to provide for their families and are fleeing horrendous conditions. Anyone transporting their small children under the current conditions has to be coming from worse.


Why do you discriminate against them because they might be poor with no resources to higher education from their countries of origin, economincally disadavantaged and fleeing tyranny? What good reasons do you have for denying them asylum?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #101 posted 07/09/19 2:00pm

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poppys said:

guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:
So you're saying the places they are coming from have no schools at all? Do you have backup for that or are you just shooting from the hip as usual? Someone immigrating to Korea, Japan, even places like France or Germany would be expected to have some command of the language to be able to get around. So why not expect that here too? I'll ask for the third time, why do you have such low expectations of these folks?


Suddenly they're folks with orderly lives like you have? Check an app? Go to school? Typical patriarchal paternalism from an I GOT MINE.

(Thanks to your ancestors immigration in which they did NOT speak English). I'm guessing they're ashamed of you right now. Trying to keep deserving others out.

It's such a non-argument. A friend of mine got an internship at a bank in France after college. he spoke very little French but after his gig was done he came back home speaking French because HE LIVED THERE and learned the language.

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Reply #102 posted 07/09/19 4:34pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:



guitarslinger44 said:


DiminutiveRocker said:




You assertion is ridiculous They HAVE NO ACCESS to education because they are coming from povertous conditions and fleeing tyranny in their countries of origin.

Once they get there? THEY ARE IN CAGES RIGHT NOW!

disbelief









[Edited 7/9/19 9:54am]



So you're saying the places they are coming from have no schools at all? Do you have backup for that or are you just shooting from the hip as usual? Someone immigrating to Korea, Japan, even places like France or Germany would be expected to have some command of the language to be able to get around. So why not expect that here too? I'll ask for the third time, why do you have such low expectations of these folks? [Edited 7/9/19 12:00pm]


lol I'm shooting from the hip? lol (I can hear everyone else laughing right now as well)



I suggest YOU DO A LITTLE RESEARCH - and not demand that we do it for you before you enter a debate.

https://cis.org/Report/Ce...8Fold-1970

Recent news coverage of a caravan from Central America hoping to enter the United States illegally has raised interest in the number and characteristics of Central Americans in the country. A new analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the latest Census Bureau data, which includes legal and illegal immigrants, shows that the size of the Central American immigrant population (from Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama) has grown enormously in recent decades. It also shows immigrants from the region often struggle with high rates of poverty and welfare use and low average incomes. The reason this is the case is not due to an unwillingness to work. In fact, Central Americans (ages 18 to 64) are slightly more likely to hold a job than native-born Americans.


  • Because such a large share of Central Americans have modest levels of education, the share of immigrants and their young children from the region who live in poverty is twice that of natives — 22 percent vs. 11 percent.

  • Perhaps most troubling, 31 percent of the children (under age 18) of Central Americans live in poverty, roughly double the 16 percent rate for the children of natives. Also, 66 percent of the young children of Central Americans live in or near poverty.



Immigrants are hard workers who want to provide for their families and are fleeing horrendous conditions. Anyone transporting their small children under the current conditions has to be coming from worse.


Why do you discriminate against them because they might be poor with no resources to higher education from their countries of origin, economincally disadavantaged and fleeing tyranny? What good reasons do you have for denying them asylum?



lol lol lol

You realize that what you posted disproves your point that they have "no access to education" right?

Even with that said, the first line of that basically shoots your whole deal in the foot:
Recent news coverage of a caravan from Central America hoping to enter the United States illegally

Why should we reward bad behavior? If we cant even e force our own reasonable laws, why should any immigrant coming here legally or otherwise have any reason to respect them?


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poppys said:



guitarslinger44 said:


DiminutiveRocker said:




You assertion is ridiculous They HAVE NO ACCESS to education because they are coming from povertous conditions and fleeing tyranny in their countries of origin.

Once they get there? THEY ARE IN CAGES RIGHT NOW!

disbelief








So you're saying the places they are coming from have no schools at all? Do you have backup for that or are you just shooting from the hip as usual? Someone immigrating to Korea, Japan, even places like France or Germany would be expected to have some command of the language to be able to get around. So why not expect that here too? I'll ask for the third time, why do you have such low expectations of these folks?


Suddenly they're folks with orderly lives like you have? Check an app? Go to school? Typical patriarchal paternalism from an I GOT MINE.

(Thanks to your ancestors immigration in which they did NOT speak English). I'm guessing they're ashamed of you right now. Trying to keep deserving others out.



You must be desperate if you're pulling the patriarchy card. lol lol lol

Many of my ancestors who came here were bi and triligual because they understood that when you're moving to a new place to hopefully get new opportunities, you need to up your game, when in Rome, etc, and make the most of it. Some of them were the lower classes of their day (some Irish and others) but that didn't stop them.

I grew up in an area where a lot of migrants worked, and have worked with people who were here illegally, and even though they're nice people, their language skills sucked, and because of that, they were relegated to low tier jobs that ensured they would get abused by employers. Why do you want that for them if you claim to care about their circumstances so much?
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Reply #104 posted 07/09/19 5:02pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


lol I'm shooting from the hip? lol (I can hear everyone else laughing right now as well)

I suggest YOU DO A LITTLE RESEARCH - and not demand that we do it for you before you enter a debate.

https://cis.org/Report/Ce...8Fold-1970

Recent news coverage of a caravan from Central America hoping to enter the United States illegally has raised interest in the number and characteristics of Central Americans in the country. A new analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the latest Census Bureau data, which includes legal and illegal immigrants, shows that the size of the Central American immigrant population (from Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama) has grown enormously in recent decades. It also shows immigrants from the region often struggle with high rates of poverty and welfare use and low average incomes. The reason this is the case is not due to an unwillingness to work. In fact, Central Americans (ages 18 to 64) are slightly more likely to hold a job than native-born Americans.

  • Because such a large share of Central Americans have modest levels of education, the share of immigrants and their young children from the region who live in poverty is twice that of natives — 22 percent vs. 11 percent.
  • Perhaps most troubling, 31 percent of the children (under age 18) of Central Americans live in poverty, roughly double the 16 percent rate for the children of natives. Also, 66 percent of the young children of Central Americans live in or near poverty.


Immigrants are hard workers who want to provide for their families and are fleeing horrendous conditions. Anyone transporting their small children under the current conditions has to be coming from worse.


Why do you discriminate against them because they might be poor with no resources to higher education from their countries of origin, economincally disadavantaged and fleeing tyranny? What good reasons do you have for denying them asylum?

lol lol lol You realize that what you posted disproves your point that they have "no access to education" right? Even with that said, the first line of that basically shoots your whole deal in the foot: Recent news coverage of a caravan from Central America hoping to enter the United States illegally Why should we reward bad behavior? If we cant even e force our own reasonable laws, why should any immigrant coming here legally or otherwise have any reason to respect them? [Edited 7/9/19 16:34pm]

falloff

Your responses are hysterical! lol


I am done attempting to engage in intelligence discourse with you. This is clearly a joke!

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[Edited 7/9/19 17:09pm]

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Reply #105 posted 07/09/19 8:34pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said: lol lol lol You realize that what you posted disproves your point that they have "no access to education" right? Even with that said, the first line of that basically shoots your whole deal in the foot: Recent news coverage of a caravan from Central America hoping to enter the United States illegally Why should we reward bad behavior? If we cant even e force our own reasonable laws, why should any immigrant coming here legally or otherwise have any reason to respect them? [Edited 7/9/19 16:34pm]

falloff

Your responses are hysterical! lol


I am done attempting to engage in intelligence discourse with you. This is clearly a joke!

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[Edited 7/9/19 17:09pm]

It's pointless.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #106 posted 07/09/19 11:42pm

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13cjk13 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

falloff

Your responses are hysterical! lol


I am done attempting to engage in intelligence discourse with you. This is clearly a joke!

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[Edited 7/9/19 17:09pm]

It's pointless.


Yeah, I know. I'm joining the others.

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Looks like ICE will start the raids this coming Sunday, according to this article:

ICE to begin nationwide immigration raids Sunday
By Kevin Liptak and Devan Cole, CNN
Updated 9:20 AM EDT, Thu July 11, 2019



“US Immigration and Customs Enforcement plans to begin raids across the country Sunday to arrest thousands of family members who already have court orders to be removed, according to a US official.

The effort comes weeks after President Donald Trump had tweeted ICE's plans to conduct the raids, then delayed the operation after additional details became public.

The New York Times first reported on the raids, saying they are expected to take place in at least 10 cities, will occur "over multiple days" and will include "collateral" deportations in which "authorities might detain immigrants who happened to be on the scene, even though they were not targets of the raids."


(Edited for compliance)

On Wednesday, acting US Citizenship and Immigration Services director Ken Cuccinelli said the ICE raids are "absolutely going to happen" following a delay from the President to see if Congress could work out a legislative solution on immigration.

They're absolutely going to happen. There's approximately a million people in this country with removal orders. And of course that isn't what ICE will go after in this, but that's the pool of people who have been all the way through the due process chain," he told reporters at the White House.

(Click on link to read full article)
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2elijah said:

Looks like ICE will start the raids this coming Sunday, according to this article: ICE to begin nationwide immigration raids Sunday By Kevin Liptak and Devan Cole, CNN Updated 9:20 AM EDT, Thu July 11, 2019 “US Immigration and Customs Enforcement plans to begin raids across the country Sunday to arrest thousands of family members who already have court orders to be removed, according to a US official. The effort comes weeks after President Donald Trump had tweeted ICE's plans to conduct the raids, then delayed the operation after additional details became public. The New York Times first reported on the raids, saying they are expected to take place in at least 10 cities, will occur "over multiple days" and will include "collateral" deportations in which "authorities might detain immigrants who happened to be on the scene, even though they were not targets of the raids." (Edited for compliance) On Wednesday, acting US Citizenship and Immigration Services director Ken Cuccinelli said the ICE raids are "absolutely going to happen" following a delay from the President to see if Congress could work out a legislative solution on immigration. They're absolutely going to happen. There's approximately a million people in this country with removal orders. And of course that isn't what ICE will go after in this, but that's the pool of people who have been all the way through the due process chain," he told reporters at the White House. (Click on link to read full article)




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So now Trump is back-peddling on adding the citizen question to the Census (lawyers probably told him they cannot overturn the SCOTUS denial) - but wants citizen status info sent to the Census Bureau...for what?

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So now Trump is back-peddling on adding the citizen question to the Census (lawyers probably told him they cannot overturn the SCOTUS denial) - but wants citizen status info sent to the Census Bureau...for what?


Did you see the questions? They are wack.

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DiminutiveRocker said:


So now Trump is back-peddling on adding the citizen question to the Census (lawyers probably told him they cannot overturn the SCOTUS denial) - but wants citizen status info sent to the Census Bureau...for what?




Did you see the questions? They are wack.





Blatantly bigoted 😐
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Exactly. When their ancestors came here. they didn't have to...

"...pass English competency tests."

Suddenly it's a requirement.


Suddenly? My wife's father immigrated here from Greece in 1952. He was required to learn how to both speak and write in English before he could get his citizenship. It took him two years.

Oh, and he would be considered "white" by most people.


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Ross Perot was right!!
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poppys said:


Did you see the questions? They are wack.

Blatantly bigoted 😐


I'll bite. How is it bigoted?

It asks if the person is a citizen and if so how (born in states, territories, abroad by citizens, or naturalized) or not.

There is nothing about race, or any other identity aspect, just citizenship.

I honestly do not understand what is "bigoted" about that. Educate me, please.


Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #114 posted 07/13/19 6:17pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:



Plus, if you read me correctly, I'm one of the people who are critical of the bosses who prefer to hire undocumented immigrants that they can exploit. They SHOULD be paying decent wages (and taxes). But it's amusing to me that people take their anger out on the desperate people who take those jobs to do anything to survive (ESPECIALLY if they are Hispanic), but say almost nothing about the exploitive employers (who are mainly White, and included Trump himself)

So true.


Have you seen any illegal English nannies, or illegal Irish bartenders and waitresses, or the tons of illegal Russkies, in these pens smelling like shit because they haven't been allowed to shower for weeks?
All I see are "s**cs" and "w****cks"....
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Reply #115 posted 07/13/19 6:22pm

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Did you see the footage of Mike Pence and closet case Lindsay Graham inspecting a holding facility like they were visiting animals at the San Diego Zoo? Pence didn't even try to interact with the men locked in the cages.

He's a total disgrace to the concept of Christianity
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Reply #116 posted 07/13/19 7:11pm

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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:


So true.


Have you seen any illegal English nannies, or illegal Irish bartenders and waitresses, or the tons of illegal Russkies, in these pens smelling like shit because they haven't been allowed to shower for weeks?
All I see are "s**cs" and "w****cks"....

It’s a disgrace. I’m wondering how it will go tomorrow when they start the raid.
As an American you have a right to question/call your country out on its wrongs/injustices. That doesn’t make you un-American nor does anyone have a right to tell you to leave, because you have the courage to stand up against any injustice in this count
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Reply #117 posted 07/13/19 7:11pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Did you see the footage of Mike Pence and closet case Lindsay Graham inspecting a holding facility like they were visiting animals at the San Diego Zoo? Pence didn't even try to interact with the men locked in the cages.

He's a total disgrace to the concept of Christianity

He’s a fake.
As an American you have a right to question/call your country out on its wrongs/injustices. That doesn’t make you un-American nor does anyone have a right to tell you to leave, because you have the courage to stand up against any injustice in this count
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Reply #118 posted 07/13/19 11:35pm

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In January 1945, Auschwitz was overrun by Russian soldiers. It was the largest extermination and concentration camp, to which over a million people had been deported from all over Europe. Upon liberation, only a few thousand prisoners remained. Most of the surviving prisoners had been taken away on death marches.

Survivors who were moved from camps close to the front were sent to Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Terezín (Theresienstadt) and Ravensbrück, or one of their many sub-camps. The resulting overcrowding in these camps hastened the spread of disease and caused many more deaths.

I always wondered how good German people could allow that to take place, we are now seeing it first hand. There were those Germans that opposed what was being done, those that supported it, just like in America, right now. And just like in America, no one did anything.


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Reply #119 posted 07/14/19 7:02am

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Biden refuses to apologize to activists for 3 million deportations under Obama.

https://www.youtube.com/w...i3Y6PzBz2U

Ross Perot was right!!
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