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Britain's next Prime Minister


The race is on. Ten horses running, which will win? Boris is firm favourite. Gove is trying hard as is Hunt. Personally I'd like Raab or Javid to get it. Who would you like? What will it mean for Brexit and Britains future? Will we get a General Election this year, and can the Tories win it if we do?


The candidates are:

  • Environment Secretary Michael Gove
  • Health Secretary Matt Hancock
  • Former Chief Whip Mark Harper
  • Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt
  • Home Secretary Sajid Javid
  • Former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson
  • Former Leader of the House Andrea Leadsom
  • Former Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey
  • Former Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab
  • International Development Secretary Rory Stewart


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48584011


I think I should say off the bat I'm in no way a Tory supporter, but the person will be in charge of Brexit, and our country so whoever gets it has a mammoth job to do. And Corbyn, despite the appalling way our media treat him, might still get his time yet - I remain ever hopeful.

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Reply #1 posted 06/11/19 4:30am

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Do you think any of these, including Corbyn can any better in bringing parliament together to resolve the Brexit impasse one way or any other?

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Reply #2 posted 06/11/19 6:11am

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IanRG said:

Do you think any of these, including Corbyn can any better in bringing parliament together to resolve the Brexit impasse one way or any other?

I think it's an incredibly difficult thing to do, and honestly I don't know if anyone can do it. If I were forced I'd say Raab has the best chance, purely because of his previous involvement. I'd love to say that all the parties could be more united regarding Brexit, but they're not. And if someone like BoJo gets in, it could get even more divisive yet, in which case I can only guess that we'll be headed towards a general election and second referendum.

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Reply #3 posted 06/11/19 2:08pm

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maplenpg said:

IanRG said:

Do you think any of these, including Corbyn can any better in bringing parliament together to resolve the Brexit impasse one way or any other?

I think it's an incredibly difficult thing to do, and honestly I don't know if anyone can do it. If I were forced I'd say Raab has the best chance, purely because of his previous involvement. I'd love to say that all the parties could be more united regarding Brexit, but they're not. And if someone like BoJo gets in, it could get even more divisive yet, in which case I can only guess that we'll be headed towards a general election and second referendum.

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Based on the Euro-vote, the Conservatives and Labour will be decimated, the Brexiteers will get most of their lost votes whilst the Liberal Democrats will pick most of the rest. The likely strongest groups post a general election will not seek a second referendum (unless you get a Liberal Democrat majority win) and it is crashout ASAP with a promise of good deal from Trump.

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Reply #4 posted 06/11/19 10:26pm

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IanRG said:



maplenpg said:




IanRG said:


Do you think any of these, including Corbyn can any better in bringing parliament together to resolve the Brexit impasse one way or any other?



I think it's an incredibly difficult thing to do, and honestly I don't know if anyone can do it. If I were forced I'd say Raab has the best chance, purely because of his previous involvement. I'd love to say that all the parties could be more united regarding Brexit, but they're not. And if someone like BoJo gets in, it could get even more divisive yet, in which case I can only guess that we'll be headed towards a general election and second referendum.



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Based on the Euro-vote, the Conservatives and Labour will be decimated, the Brexiteers will get most of their lost votes whilst the Liberal Democrats will pick most of the rest. The likely strongest groups post a general election will not seek a second referendum (unless you get a Liberal Democrat majority win) and it is crashout ASAP with a promise of good deal from Trump.


Personally I don't think the euro election results are likely to be replicated in a general election. Labour are trying to block a no deal Brexit - if successful that will make crashing out without a deal impossible, and will hurt BoJo's chances I suspect. But I don't know what will happen, I've stopped trying to predict as stuff I never thought would happen in politics is happening. That's why I'm asking what others think. It'll be an interesting few months until October, that's for sure.
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Reply #5 posted 06/12/19 2:12am

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maplenpg said:

IanRG said:

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Based on the Euro-vote, the Conservatives and Labour will be decimated, the Brexiteers will get most of their lost votes whilst the Liberal Democrats will pick most of the rest. The likely strongest groups post a general election will not seek a second referendum (unless you get a Liberal Democrat majority win) and it is crashout ASAP with a promise of good deal from Trump.

Personally I don't think the euro election results are likely to be replicated in a general election. Labour are trying to block a no deal Brexit - if successful that will make crashing out without a deal impossible, and will hurt BoJo's chances I suspect. But I don't know what will happen, I've stopped trying to predict as stuff I never thought would happen in politics is happening. That's why I'm asking what others think. It'll be an interesting few months until October, that's for sure.

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Good luck. I work with a person from the UK who is still traumatised by all this.

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IanRG said:

maplenpg said:

IanRG said: Personally I don't think the euro election results are likely to be replicated in a general election. Labour are trying to block a no deal Brexit - if successful that will make crashing out without a deal impossible, and will hurt BoJo's chances I suspect. But I don't know what will happen, I've stopped trying to predict as stuff I never thought would happen in politics is happening. That's why I'm asking what others think. It'll be an interesting few months until October, that's for sure.

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Good luck. I work with a person from the UK who is still traumatised by all this.

Lol, traumatised would be a world away from how I feel. Honestly, I'm not affected by it one bit, other than it being on the news pretty much constantly, and obviously the money that should be going elsewhere. Anyway, blocking the no-deal Brexit was defeated in parliament today so crashing out without a deal is still an option (and a very likely one IMO should Boris win).

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Well it looks like Britain is heading further right. BoJo seems almost certain to get the next job as Britain's Prime Minister. It's going to be a rocky road ahead the next few months.

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Reply #8 posted 06/14/19 5:45am

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maplenpg said:

Well it looks like Britain is heading further right. BoJo seems almost certain to get the next job as Britain's Prime Minister. It's going to be a rocky road ahead the next few months.


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Reply #9 posted 06/14/19 6:10am

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maplenpg said:

Well it looks like Britain is heading further right. BoJo seems almost certain to get the next job as Britain's Prime Minister. It's going to be a rocky road ahead the next few months.


I don't know how accurate this article is by your standards, but the writing is great, and so funny.

https://www.independent.c...55631.html

Boris Johnson has taken the Conservative Party into a post-shame world

This was the Tory party in survival mode. Things are serious now. It has decided it must live so everything else must die

[Edited 6/14/19 6:12am]

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Reply #10 posted 06/14/19 6:23am

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'Britain's next Prime Minister' sounds like the new Simon Cowell show.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
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that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #11 posted 06/14/19 8:55am

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I wish it was a show.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #12 posted 06/15/19 1:05am

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poppys said:

maplenpg said:

Well it looks like Britain is heading further right. BoJo seems almost certain to get the next job as Britain's Prime Minister. It's going to be a rocky road ahead the next few months.


I don't know how accurate this article is by your standards, but the writing is great, and so funny.

https://www.independent.c...55631.html

Boris Johnson has taken the Conservative Party into a post-shame world

This was the Tory party in survival mode. Things are serious now. It has decided it must live so everything else must die

[Edited 6/14/19 6:12am]

Thanks Poppy. Sadly Boris is riding on both Farage's and Trump's coat-tails and is seen by many as the only real chance of getting Brexit through. Of course in reality it is not that easy, but as the spearhead of the Brexit campaign he shouldn't have chickened out last time round. The sad thing is he doesn't seem to have any great visions for Britain, or any policies he's selling, other than he'll get us out of Brexit. The article is right, he is their best chance of surviving and almost their only chance should a General Election be called. I should say that he, like Trump, has had many affairs, and recently left his wife for a woman just over half his age. Morals don't seem to matter in politics anymore.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

'Britain's next Prime Minister' sounds like the new Simon Cowell show.

Politics nowadays seems more and more like a bad reality TV show.

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Reply #14 posted 06/18/19 12:55pm

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Is it wrong that I've just watched the debate for the next Prime Minister, and all I can think about is how bad Boris's fake tan is?

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Reply #15 posted 06/20/19 10:19am

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Whoever wins, we're not going to improve on May (who was a disaster). BoJo wants to ride on Trump's coat-tails, and Hunt (who unsurprisingly journalists (and others) seem unable to stop calling Cunt) against him. What a joke this country is.

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I suppose it's small mercies that we won't get Gove. The flipside is that we will definitely get someone awful. Conventional wisdom would hold that Hunt would be better than Johnson, but he's still the guy who's been running down the NHS and ignoring the concerns of its staff. And he does always strike me as an absolute gimp.

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deebee said:

I suppose it's small mercies that we won't get Gove. The flipside is that we will definitely get someone awful. Conventional wisdom would hold that Hunt would be better than Johnson, but he's still the guy who's been running down the NHS and ignoring the concerns of its staff. And he does always strike me as an absolute gimp.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/rad...e-for-him/


I would have preferred Raab to the others, and he was first out. It's been downhill from there. From Javid's departure it was guaranteed we'd get someone awful. I worked in secondary schools and saw first hand what Gove did to education. I'm honestly surprised I never saw a dartboard with his face on. Sadly he never looked out for teachers, working them to the ground, and so I became another statistic with the droves that left. My best friend is a nurse, I think Hunt is more hated than Gove in their sector. His legacy lives on and she has just gone on a holiday (UK, she can't afford to go abroad) after working numerous 80 hour weeks. Following this holiday she has been told to cancel the rest of her years annual leave due to short staffing. The NHS is in a mess. Which brings me to Boris, whose whole Brexit campaign was based on ploughing money going to the EU into the NHS. I want him to win, even if he is a bumbling far right lunatic, as he's going to fail at last on his promises (IMO he shouldn't have withdrawn last time), and I think when he does fail we have a good chance of getting a general election. A general election that I hope with all my heart the Tories will lose.
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Oh dear Boris

https://www.theguardian.c...nsons-home

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maplenpg said:

deebee said:

I suppose it's small mercies that we won't get Gove. The flipside is that we will definitely get someone awful. Conventional wisdom would hold that Hunt would be better than Johnson, but he's still the guy who's been running down the NHS and ignoring the concerns of its staff. And he does always strike me as an absolute gimp.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/rad...e-for-him/

I would have preferred Raab to the others, and he was first out. It's been downhill from there. From Javid's departure it was guaranteed we'd get someone awful. I worked in secondary schools and saw first hand what Gove did to education. I'm honestly surprised I never saw a dartboard with his face on. Sadly he never looked out for teachers, working them to the ground, and so I became another statistic with the droves that left. My best friend is a nurse, I think Hunt is more hated than Gove in their sector. His legacy lives on and she has just gone on a holiday (UK, she can't afford to go abroad) after working numerous 80 hour weeks. Following this holiday she has been told to cancel the rest of her years annual leave due to short staffing. The NHS is in a mess. Which brings me to Boris, whose whole Brexit campaign was based on ploughing money going to the EU into the NHS. I want him to win, even if he is a bumbling far right lunatic, as he's going to fail at last on his promises (IMO he shouldn't have withdrawn last time), and I think when he does fail we have a good chance of getting a general election. A general election that I hope with all my heart the Tories will lose.

Amen to that last point.

My mum works in education and absolutely hates Gove for all the destructive changes he was responsible for making in the Tories' effort to push through academisation and the deprofessionalisation of teaching - and, of course, because he's just such an unpleasant little man.

I also wonder if putting Boris in the leadership spot would be an electoral liability for the Conservatives, where Hunt could pass himself off as a more 'moderate' chap by comparison (despite his own battles with NHS staff). I'm annoyed at the Labour Right who've expended so much energy smearing their own party leader, when a decisive and close-run GE could be on the cards in the not-too-distant future - although, equally, I don't think that was ever going to be any different in the world of Chuka and Jess and all the other little Blairite careerists, so there's no point getting too miffed about it. Still 'a world to win'!

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deebee said:

maplenpg said:

deebee said: I would have preferred Raab to the others, and he was first out. It's been downhill from there. From Javid's departure it was guaranteed we'd get someone awful. I worked in secondary schools and saw first hand what Gove did to education. I'm honestly surprised I never saw a dartboard with his face on. Sadly he never looked out for teachers, working them to the ground, and so I became another statistic with the droves that left. My best friend is a nurse, I think Hunt is more hated than Gove in their sector. His legacy lives on and she has just gone on a holiday (UK, she can't afford to go abroad) after working numerous 80 hour weeks. Following this holiday she has been told to cancel the rest of her years annual leave due to short staffing. The NHS is in a mess. Which brings me to Boris, whose whole Brexit campaign was based on ploughing money going to the EU into the NHS. I want him to win, even if he is a bumbling far right lunatic, as he's going to fail at last on his promises (IMO he shouldn't have withdrawn last time), and I think when he does fail we have a good chance of getting a general election. A general election that I hope with all my heart the Tories will lose.

Amen to that last point.

My mum works in education and absolutely hates Gove for all the destructive changes he was responsible for making in the Tories' effort to push through academisation and the deprofessionalisation of teaching - and, of course, because he's just such an unpleasant little man.

I also wonder if putting Boris in the leadership spot would be an electoral liability for the Conservatives, where Hunt could pass himself off as a more 'moderate' chap by comparison (despite his own battles with NHS staff). I'm annoyed at the Labour Right who've expended so much energy smearing their own party leader, when a decisive and close-run GE could be on the cards in the not-too-distant future - although, equally, I don't think that was ever going to be any different in the world of Chuka and Jess and all the other little Blairite careerists, so there's no point getting too miffed about it. Still 'a world to win'!

There is no doubt that Boris is a liablity and Hunt is, as I've heard him called, Theresa May part 2. It seems we're either going to get a Trump-esque, "You'll do a deal with me, or we'll crash out without a deal", or we'll be pushing back deadlines yet again with Hunt. I think a GE before the Oct 31 deadline could see the Tories getting through, or at least a coalition as the Brexiteers might just vote Tory to 'get us out'. Labour have really shot themselves in the foot - they should be riding high right now. Tom Watson is, without any doubt, out to jump into Corbyns shoes the first moment he can. I like Tom, but he's been stabbing Jeremy in the back for some time now. Chuka has just stabbed himself over and over with his moving around. I wish Cable wasn't the Lib Dem leader, I just think he's too old for the job, but they've been gaining steady momentum whilst Labour squabble between themselves.

And good on your mum for staying in education. It's not an easy job.

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