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Reply #30 posted 06/09/19 5:56pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

He’s funny. He's a curmudgeon that's not well liked by too many people across the board to be ”a problem” What does he identify as anyway? Jerk? He's ok. And I Dont think anyone else should follow 2freaky, one is enough. I think this highlights how diverse the non-right is. From Way-The-Fuck-Out-There like 2freaky, to whatever the fuck Maher is. One group that creeps me the fuck out are those that self identify as ”progressives” whatever the fuck that is.

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Good to someone else realises this is not about Bill Maher per se, but about Freaky wanting people to not be changable like Bill Maher.

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I think Freaky is wrong because he wants consistency with the only change being the move to being better within a tightly defined identifiable group. Too often this resut in people within that group defending the indefensible and attacking the undeserved. This is because protecting the tightly defined and separately identifiable group can be seen as more important than doing what is right.

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With that a generic loosely defined term like "progressives" has a short-term natural advantage - Initially no one knows exactly what one is, so they are not defined or restricted to a set of ideologies. However, they will be. Some issue of the day will be used to separate the "progressives" from "non-progressives" and one side of that issue will be defended by the "progressives", not because of its right or the alternative's wrong but because it can be used for political advantage over the non-progressives. And we are back to protecting the ideology sometimes against what is right.

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Reply #31 posted 06/09/19 6:58pm

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KoolEaze said:[quote]



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


He’s funny. He's a curmudgeon that's not well liked by too many people across the board to be ”a problem” What does he identify as anyway? Jerk? He's ok. And I Dont think anyone else should follow 2freaky, one is enough. I think this highlights how diverse the non-right is. From Way-The-Fuck-Out-There like 2freaky, to whatever the fuck Maher is. One group that creeps me the fuck out are those that self identify as ”progressives” whatever the fuck that is.

Why ?


reminds me of everything I hate about The Huffington Post for some reason. a smarmy charade built out of whatever puffed up hot air is floated on a particular day that “feels good” or “plays good”
I don’t know really, but the characters creep me the fuck out. I can’t put my finger on it. Of course NOTHING like right wingers, but like the “margarine” of liberals when it was supposed to be a healthier alternative to butter.
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Reply #32 posted 06/09/19 8:33pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:[quote]

KoolEaze said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


He’s funny. He's a curmudgeon that's not well liked by too many people across the board to be ”a problem” What does he identify as anyway? Jerk? He's ok. And I Dont think anyone else should follow 2freaky, one is enough. I think this highlights how diverse the non-right is. From Way-The-Fuck-Out-There like 2freaky, to whatever the fuck Maher is. One group that creeps me the fuck out are those that self identify as ”progressives” whatever the fuck that is.

Why ?


reminds me of everything I hate about The Huffington Post for some reason. a smarmy charade built out of whatever puffed up hot air is floated on a particular day that “feels good” or “plays good”
I don’t know really, but the characters creep me the fuck out. I can’t put my finger on it. Of course NOTHING like right wingers, but like the “margarine” of liberals when it was supposed to be a healthier alternative to butter.



Agree 100%. Progressivism is a secular religion these days and the folks who identify as such are basically the left wing version of Evangelical Christians in that they love to shout down non believers and shame people if they disagree with them. Seems like we're living in the McCarthyism era all over again.

That said, I don't understand how someone could hold the same beliefs for 20-odd years with no change.

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Reply #33 posted 06/10/19 2:20am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

and he tells racist jokes...


So?
No topic should be shunned from ridicule...
As a "Black" guy I too can laugh about race jokes (Jewish folk understand this concept best since they have the best jokes ridiculing themselves...)
Rape jokes can be funny, pedophile jokes can be funny etc.
Don't deprive yourself from laughing just because of militant snowflakes, that's the whole point of a "joke"...
If people are allowed to be offended by some joke then it's equaly allowed for people to laugh at some joke... Don't supress your humour just because some idiot was taught to be offended by it...

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Reply #34 posted 06/10/19 7:17am

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guitarslinger44 said:[quote]

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

KoolEaze said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


He’s funny. He's a curmudgeon that's not well liked by too many people across the board to be ”a problem” What does he identify as anyway? Jerk? He's ok. And I Dont think anyone else should follow 2freaky, one is enough. I think this highlights how diverse the non-right is. From Way-The-Fuck-Out-There like 2freaky, to whatever the fuck Maher is. One group that creeps me the fuck out are those that self identify as ”progressives” whatever the fuck that is.

Why ?


reminds me of everything I hate about The Huffington Post for some reason. a smarmy charade built out of whatever puffed up hot air is floated on a particular day that “feels good” or “plays good”
I don’t know really, but the characters creep me the fuck out. I can’t put my finger on it. Of course NOTHING like right wingers, but like the “margarine” of liberals when it was supposed to be a healthier alternative to butter.



Agree 100%. Progressivism is a secular religion these days and the folks who identify as such are basically the left wing version of Evangelical Christians in that they love to shout down non believers and shame people if they disagree with them. Seems like we're living in the McCarthyism era all over again.

That said, I don't understand how someone could hold the same beliefs for 20-odd years with no change.

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Any label is a generalization. And the meaning of political labels are nebulous and their meanings weave and waver and are appropriated by all types for all purposes on the left and right. But at this moment in time for me, those who grab on to, and wrap themselves in labels so wholeheartedly are scary.

And any organization, especially a so-called “news” organization such as the Huffington Post or Fox News that are so blatantly and patronizingly unabashedly biased are creepy as fuck. They not just aggregate the news into “We know this is what you want to hear” confirmation bias, but have taken it to the next level of “we know what you want to hear ..and our writers were tasked to write a shit load more of this stuff for you to keep you satiated and coming back for more”


Of course this is nothing new, and has been this way since the beginning of politics, but always infuriating.
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Reply #35 posted 06/10/19 7:31am

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Before that fat fuck Alex Jones jumped to Number One, Bill Maher always topped my Guys I Would Like to Punch in the Mouth List. Like, for 15 years straight.

He's definitely Number Two, though.

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Reply #36 posted 06/10/19 8:29am

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UGot2Shake's watered down liberalism is the answer. haha. We have huge homeless problems because of libs.

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Reply #37 posted 06/10/19 8:39am

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jjhunsecker said:

So now the TRUTH is "racist " ?? But considering that this comes from a Trump apologist, I can't barely take any of it seriously


In some cases, these days, we're being conditioned to believe it is, even when it's not.


This Bill Burr bit "Oddly Racist" speaks to that, and it's hilarious to boot: https://youtu.be/IBph6DS6RC4

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Reply #38 posted 06/10/19 8:40am

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2freaky4church1 said:

UGot2Shake's watered down liberalism is the answer. haha. We have huge homeless problems because of libs.



Yeah? Just the libs? Because we have much utter control over everyone and everything?

Yeah possibly
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Reply #39 posted 06/10/19 8:42am

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2freaky4church1 said:

UGot2Shake's watered down liberalism is the answer. haha. We have huge homeless problems because of libs.


Classical liberalism has become "right wing" now thanks to crazy leftists.

And yeah, a big part of the homeless problem in cities like SanFran and Seattle is aided and abetted by unchecked "progressive" policies.

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Reply #40 posted 06/10/19 8:43am

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Wait, I'm a classical liberal.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #41 posted 06/10/19 8:50am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Wait, I'm a classical liberal.



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Reply #42 posted 06/10/19 9:05am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Wait, I'm a classical liberal.


This is a joke worthy of Bill Mahar, you should try to get a gig writing for his show instead of wasting your talents here on the Org falloff

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Reply #43 posted 06/10/19 9:07am

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guitarslinger44 said:



jjhunsecker said:


So now the TRUTH is "racist " ?? But considering that this comes from a Trump apologist, I can't barely take any of it seriously


In some cases, these days, we're being conditioned to believe it is, even when it's not.


This Bill Burr bit "Oddly Racist" speaks to that, and it's hilarious to boot: https://youtu.be/IBph6DS6RC4



Saying most Dunkin Donuts are run by Indians is just a fact, and is not racist

Now if you said a Dunkin Donuts location was filthy BECAUSE it was run by Indians, then that could be considered racist
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Reply #44 posted 06/10/19 9:08am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Wait, I'm a classical liberal.

who is for using violence to quash free speech you do not like!


I am a libertarian. if some conduct s not actually harming someone and if they do not have an easy way to avoid it... then it likely should be allowed... and even if it is harming someone and they can not avoid it then and pretty much only then should there be a debate as to ban or allow that conduct.


we can not make the basis (which you 2freaky) have done no fewer that 4 times! (Here, that 13 year old girl, Steven Crowder, and Milo.) Just do not watch or listen to them! What is so hard?

And NO the fact that some will be influenced to do something else is an excuse--except for a call to an illegal or dangerous action.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #45 posted 06/10/19 9:09am

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jjhunsecker said:

guitarslinger44 said:


In some cases, these days, we're being conditioned to believe it is, even when it's not.


This Bill Burr bit "Oddly Racist" speaks to that, and it's hilarious to boot: https://youtu.be/IBph6DS6RC4

Saying most Dunkin Donuts are run by Indians is just a fact, and is not racist Now if you said a Dunkin Donuts location was filthy BECAUSE it was run by Indians, then that could be considered racist

So can racial profiling can okay as long as it is based on truth?

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #46 posted 06/10/19 11:30am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Wait, I'm a classical liberal.


I don't see you as a Milton Friedman or Fredrich Hayek kind of guy.

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Reply #47 posted 06/10/19 11:54am

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namepeace said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Wait, I'm a classical liberal.




I don't see you as a Milton Friedman or Fredrich Hayek kind of guy.



Milton Berle perhaps
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Reply #48 posted 06/10/19 2:27pm

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John Stuart Mill. By the way, Noam Chomsky says he is a classical liberal.

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Reply #49 posted 06/10/19 4:36pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

namepeace said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Wait, I'm a classical liberal.




I don't see you as a Milton Friedman or Fredrich Hayek kind of guy.



Milton Berle perhaps


lol lol lol
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Reply #50 posted 06/10/19 4:46pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

John Stuart Mill. By the way, Noam Chomsky says he is a classical liberal.

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How do you reconcile Mill's support for:

1. Despotic leaders over barbarous people, and

2. His claim to support the greater good over individual good where individual good is at the expense of others whilst at the same time he rejects progressive tax systems?

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Reply #51 posted 06/11/19 3:01am

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How is it "racist" mentioning that most Dunkin Donuts are run by Indians ? That's just a fact.

Again, I can't take a person who labels Biden and Clinton "racist " yet never used that term about Trump, and has denied or diminished his long and documented history of racial discrimination and animus, just cannot be taken seriously.

And I'll never pretend to be offended by something that I'm not

It’s not racist because it’s true. Just like many of them run 711 stores and candy/newspaper stores all over NYC. Usually operated as a family-run businesses.

If someone said that Bodegas are owned/operated by many from the Hispanic community, throughout NYC that’s not racist either, because it’s true.
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Reply #52 posted 06/11/19 6:24am

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Bill Maher: "Political correctness is a cancer on progressivism."

https://www.youtube.com/w...rqWNDIOWtA



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Reply #53 posted 06/11/19 10:24am

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bored cat GIF

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Reply #54 posted 06/11/19 11:52am

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2freaky4church1 said:

John Stuart Mill. By the way, Noam Chomsky says he is a classical liberal.


Hayek and Friedman also laid claim to that title or otherwise had it thrust upon them.

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Reply #55 posted 06/11/19 12:25pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

How is it "racist" mentioning that most Dunkin Donuts are run by Indians ? That's just a fact.

Again, I can't take a person who labels Biden and Clinton "racist " yet never used that term about Trump, and has denied or diminished his long and documented history of racial discrimination and animus, just cannot be taken seriously.

And I'll never pretend to be offended by something that I'm not

It’s not racist because it’s true. Just like many of them run 711 stores and candy/newspaper stores all over NYC. Usually operated as a family-run businesses.

If someone said that Bodegas are owned/operated by many from the Hispanic community, throughout NYC that’s not racist either, because it’s true.


But I was told that the "truth" can be racist...
How? I dunno....
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Reply #56 posted 06/11/19 2:00pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

bored cat GIF

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Are you sharpening them or blunting them? It is hard to tell and hard to identify what this a response to

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Reply #57 posted 06/13/19 9:48am

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Reply #58 posted 06/14/19 12:55pm

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The Serfs beat me to it:

https://www.youtube.com/w...PX2l8p9GQA

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Reply #59 posted 06/15/19 10:40am

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How can I respect anyone who believes that they are very knowledgeable, yet know so little about the history of Iowa REPUBLICAN Congressman Steve King and his long history of racist statements and support for open White Supremacists?

Is this willful ignorance?
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