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Reply #30 posted 06/10/19 8:46am

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MAGA hat is the new klan hood.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #31 posted 06/10/19 9:16am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

RodeoSchro said:




Then you aren't the target audience for the description of unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump's description as an unrepentant serial adulterer.

Think about it this way: who could be affected by such a description?

Democrats? Nope, they aren't going to vote for unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump no matter what.

Radical right-wing Republicans? Nope, they have already sold their soul and are committed to subjugating the Ten Commandments to their beloved tax cut.

Republicans of faith? The ones who are upset by unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump's serial adultery but think he should get an unlimited number of "mulligans", well...see above.

But those truly faithful Republicans, who put God and the Ten Commandments first? Some of them will realize what they did in 2016 when they supported an unrepentant serial adulterer. And some of those people will decided they just can't do it again. So they won't vote for unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump.

They'll either write in another name (Mike Pence, probably) or they won't vote at all.

So you don't need to worry about this; just understand where it will lead. It can do no harm to the Democrats - none. But it could help just enough to make a victory possible.

I guess. But finish this sentence The Republican party today is______________ i Dont even know what anymore. Everything they stood for since Reagan has flipped. I can think of the ”smaller government/less regulations” tag and still fits, but everything else has changed. Certainly the so-called ”m(oral) values”



The Republican party today is about the individual instead of the nation.

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Reply #32 posted 06/10/19 9:29am

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Continuing a concept from the previous #MAGA thread:


California will become the first state to pay for some adults living in the country illegally to have full health benefits as the solidly liberal bastion continues to resist the policies of Republican President Donald Trump's administration.

Democrats in the state Legislature reached an agreement Sunday afternoon as part of a broader plan to spend $213 billion of state and federal tax money over the next year. The legislature is expected to approve the deal this week. The agreement means low-income adults between the ages of 19 and 25 living in California illegally would be eligible for California's Medicaid program, the joint state and federal health insurance program for the poor and disabled.

Only those in that age group whose incomes are low enough to qualify for the program would get the health benefits. State officials estimate that group will be about 90,000 people at a cost of $98 million per year. The state Senate had wanted to expand the proposal to include adults 65 and older, but the Newsom administration argued it would cost too much.

The move is part of a larger effort to make sure everyone in California has health insurance.

https://www.sacbee.com/ar...73418.html

A few points:

This is a big benefit, no doubt. BUT IT IS A NEW BENEFIT. So the argument Pokeno made about the alleged giant giveaways to illigal immigrants didn't include health care subsidies, because they didn't exist.

And at a cost of $98 million, it's far less than the unsubstantiated number thrown out by Pokeno/Fox News.

Once again, California is the bellweather state.

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Reply #33 posted 06/10/19 9:37am

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If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol
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Reply #34 posted 06/10/19 9:39am

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I live in California, and I'm happy to help my neighbors. I'm not a selfish right wing racist asshole, and I try to live my life by treating others the way I would like to be treated. biggrin

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Reply #35 posted 06/10/19 9:40am

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2freaky4church1 said:

MAGA hat is the new klan hood.

It sure is.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #36 posted 06/10/19 9:50am

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If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol


I live in California and no pissed from me. I think non- Californians project too much of their biases and passive aggressive racism on us.

I can see people use this to stoke racism though. ” boy you should be pissed! Get yer pitchforks!”
[Edited 6/10/19 9:52am]
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Reply #37 posted 06/10/19 9:52am

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If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol



Then I must conclude you are a Republican. Am I correct?

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Reply #38 posted 06/10/19 12:26pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol



Then I must conclude you are a Republican. Am I correct?


No, and you of all people should know that I'm not. We've had this conversation before.

[Edited 6/10/19 12:26pm]

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Reply #39 posted 06/10/19 12:31pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said:
If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol
I live in California and no pissed from me. I think non- Californians project too much of their biases and passive aggressive racism on us. I can see people use this to stoke racism though. ” boy you should be pissed! Get yer pitchforks!” [Edited 6/10/19 9:52am]


It isn't racist to say that people who immigrate here legally or not shouldn't be on public assistance. We have enough people here already who can't make ends meet, have no skills, or can't get by without public assistance of some kind, why do we need to take care of people who can't even be bothered to abide the laws of the country they're asking for assistance from?


I think it's noble to want everyone to have health care, it's something that every state should do, but extending those benefits to people who aren't legal citizens when there are lots of people who are who could also use that assistance is a bad precedent to set.

It's not even just Californian money, it's everyone else in the country's money too because they're using federal funds to make this happen. I don't have a problem with public assistance, but this program just makes the REpublican meme true of using taxpayer money for non citizens.

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Reply #40 posted 06/10/19 12:44pm

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guitarslinger44 said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


guitarslinger44 said:
If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol

I live in California and no pissed from me. I think non- Californians project too much of their biases and passive aggressive racism on us. I can see people use this to stoke racism though. ” boy you should be pissed! Get yer pitchforks!” [Edited 6/10/19 9:52am]


It isn't racist to say that people who immigrate here legally or not shouldn't be on public assistance. We have enough people here already who can't make ends meet, have no skills, or can't get by without public assistance of some kind, why do we need to take care of people who can't even be bothered to abide the laws of the country they're asking for assistance from?


I think it's noble to want everyone to have health care, it's something that every state should do, but extending those benefits to people who aren't legal citizens when there are lots of people who are who could also use that assistance is a bad precedent to set.

It's not even just Californian money, it's everyone else in the country's money too because they're using federal funds to make this happen. I don't have a problem with public assistance, but this program just makes the REpublican meme true of using taxpayer money for non citizens.



Look we are talking about real people. If someone here regardless of whatever, child or adult is suffering, whether needs surgery or help eating, we should help. Everything else hate stoking bullshit.
Yes there needs to be proper immigration strategies, blah blah blah, but that is besides the point. We are talking about basic human rights and humanitarian issues.

If you or your family members were hurting you'd like them not to suffer right?
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Reply #41 posted 06/10/19 12:52pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

RodeoSchro said:



Then I must conclude you are a Republican. Am I correct?


No, and you of all people should know that I'm not. We've had this conversation before.

[Edited 6/10/19 12:26pm]



Sorry, I don't remember all conversations but take you at your word. I didn't think you were a Republican - but are you a Libertaian, though? Honestly, I don't remember but what else is there? I don't think any Democrats would be mad about this.

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Reply #42 posted 06/10/19 12:54pm

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If you are a person of faith, ask yourself - what would Jesus do?

Would He say, "Sorry - you weren't born here and you snuck in. I'm real sorry you're sick, hungry, or otherwise need help but that's YOUR problem, not ours"?

I don't think that's what He would say. In fact, I'm pretty sure you can find more than a few examples where He said exactly the opposite.

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Reply #43 posted 06/10/19 2:30pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


guitarslinger44 said:
If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol

I live in California and no pissed from me. I think non- Californians project too much of their biases and passive aggressive racism on us. I can see people use this to stoke racism though. ” boy you should be pissed! Get yer pitchforks!” [Edited 6/10/19 9:52am]


It isn't racist to say that people who immigrate here legally or not shouldn't be on public assistance. We have enough people here already who can't make ends meet, have no skills, or can't get by without public assistance of some kind, why do we need to take care of people who can't even be bothered to abide the laws of the country they're asking for assistance from?


I think it's noble to want everyone to have health care, it's something that every state should do, but extending those benefits to people who aren't legal citizens when there are lots of people who are who could also use that assistance is a bad precedent to set.

It's not even just Californian money, it's everyone else in the country's money too because they're using federal funds to make this happen. I don't have a problem with public assistance, but this program just makes the REpublican meme true of using taxpayer money for non citizens.



Look we are talking about real people. If someone here regardless of whatever, child or adult is suffering, whether needs surgery or help eating, we should help. Everything else hate stoking bullshit.
Yes there needs to be proper immigration strategies, blah blah blah, but that is besides the point. We are talking about basic human rights and humanitarian issues.

If you or your family members were hurting you'd like them not to suffer right?


So if I were to show up on your doorstep with no means of supporting myself, you'd take me in, feed me, and cover my medical costs? Got it. DM me your address, I'm tired of working anyway.

"Proper immigration strategy" is difficult when we have leftists who insist on incentivising bad behavior. People got mad that the pricks who crashed the market got to keep all that taxpayer money, but they want to give MORE money to people who break laws, came here without being able to support themselves, and aren't even citizens.

I get that we need to help people, but why not help the people who are already here? I'd have no problem with this if it wasn't California using federal money to do it.
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Reply #44 posted 06/10/19 2:31pm

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RodeoSchro said:



guitarslinger44 said:




RodeoSchro said:





Then I must conclude you are a Republican. Am I correct?




No, and you of all people should know that I'm not. We've had this conversation before.


[Edited 6/10/19 12:26pm]





Sorry, I don't remember all conversations but take you at your word. I didn't think you were a Republican - but are you a Libertaian, though? Honestly, I don't remember but what else is there? I don't think any Democrats would be mad about this.



Any Democrat who is against this is probably too afraid to voice that publicly for fear of being shouted down or worse by the leftist loon mobs online. Those folks aren't the majority, just the loudest.
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Reply #45 posted 06/10/19 2:36pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

RodeoSchro said:



guitarslinger44 said:




RodeoSchro said:





Then I must conclude you are a Republican. Am I correct?




No, and you of all people should know that I'm not. We've had this conversation before.


[Edited 6/10/19 12:26pm]





Sorry, I don't remember all conversations but take you at your word. I didn't think you were a Republican - but are you a Libertaian, though? Honestly, I don't remember but what else is there? I don't think any Democrats would be mad about this.



Any Democrat who is against this is probably too afraid to voice that publicly for fear of being shouted down or worse by the leftist loon mobs online. Those folks aren't the majority, just the loudest.

Bulllllshit. I actually care about people here
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Reply #46 posted 06/10/19 2:38pm

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Let me translate: Leftist goon mob=concerned people who care about truth and issues.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #47 posted 06/10/19 2:45pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:
Look we are talking about real people. If someone here regardless of whatever, child or adult is suffering, whether needs surgery or help eating, we should help. Everything else hate stoking bullshit. Yes there needs to be proper immigration strategies, blah blah blah, but that is besides the point. We are talking about basic human rights and humanitarian issues. If you or your family members were hurting you'd like them not to suffer right?
So if I were to show up on your doorstep with no means of supporting myself, you'd take me in, feed me, and cover my medical costs? Got it. DM me your address, I'm tired of working anyway.

"Proper immigration strategy" is difficult when we have leftists who insist on incentivising bad behavior. People got mad that the pricks who crashed the market got to keep all that taxpayer money, but they want to give MORE money to people who break laws, came here without being able to support themselves, and aren't even citizens.

I get that we need to help people, but why not help the people who are already here? I'd have no problem with this if it wasn't California using federal money to do it.



Paying into a societal contract in order to help your fellow man is not the same thing as opening your home to a person on your doorstep.

There are millions of people who are willing to pay what it takes for our society to provide food and services for those who need them, which is the whole point.

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Reply #48 posted 06/10/19 2:46pm

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RodeoSchro said:

If you are a person of faith, ask yourself - what would Jesus do?

Would He say, "Sorry - you weren't born here and you snuck in. I'm real sorry you're sick, hungry, or otherwise need help but that's YOUR problem, not ours"?

I don't think that's what He would say. In fact, I'm pretty sure you can find more than a few examples where He said exactly the opposite.



I'm not a person of faith but I understand what you're saying. If anything, the long game answer would be to invest in the home countries of these folks so they have reason to stay rather than encouraging them to come here. But long game thinking isnt popular because it isn't sexy, doesn't offer quick and easy solutions, and doesn't always feel good.
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

guitarslinger44 said:



Any Democrat who is against this is probably too afraid to voice that publicly for fear of being shouted down or worse by the leftist loon mobs online. Those folks aren't the majority, just the loudest.

Bulllllshit. I actually care about people here


I bet you'd call the cops if one of these folks showed up on your doorstep demanding these things.
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2freaky4church1 said:

Let me translate: Leftist goon mob=concerned people who care about truth and issues.



Those folks don't care as much about the truth as they care about everyone agreeing with them. They live in an echo chamber and can't fathom that someone might not see the world exactly as they do.
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guitarslinger44 said:

RodeoSchro said:

If you are a person of faith, ask yourself - what would Jesus do?

Would He say, "Sorry - you weren't born here and you snuck in. I'm real sorry you're sick, hungry, or otherwise need help but that's YOUR problem, not ours"?

I don't think that's what He would say. In fact, I'm pretty sure you can find more than a few examples where He said exactly the opposite.

I'm not a person of faith but I understand what you're saying. If anything, the long game answer would be to invest in the home countries of these folks so they have reason to stay rather than encouraging them to come here. But long game thinking isnt popular because it isn't sexy, doesn't offer quick and easy solutions, and doesn't always feel good.



We should do both - help people right now that need it, as well as invest in helping others help themselves.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:


Bulllllshit. I actually care about people here


I bet you'd call the cops if one of these folks showed up on your doorstep demanding these things.


Yeah that’s right. That’s what I would do.
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Reply #53 posted 06/10/19 3:12pm

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RodeoSchro said:

guitarslinger44 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said: So if I were to show up on your doorstep with no means of supporting myself, you'd take me in, feed me, and cover my medical costs? Got it. DM me your address, I'm tired of working anyway.

"Proper immigration strategy" is difficult when we have leftists who insist on incentivising bad behavior. People got mad that the pricks who crashed the market got to keep all that taxpayer money, but they want to give MORE money to people who break laws, came here without being able to support themselves, and aren't even citizens.

I get that we need to help people, but why not help the people who are already here? I'd have no problem with this if it wasn't California using federal money to do it.



Paying into a societal contract in order to help your fellow man is not the same thing as opening your home to a person on your doorstep.

There are millions of people who are willing to pay what it takes for our society to provide food and services for those who need them, which is the whole point.

You sound like one of the leftist loon mob excited excited excited

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Then there is this:

President Trump claimed a “fully signed and documented” agreement between the U.S. and Mexico would be revealed soon. But a top Mexican official said no such agreement existed.

Instead, Marcelo Ebrard, Mexico’s foreign minister, said that there was an understanding that both sides would evaluate the flow of migrants in the coming months. If the numbers do not change, he said, both sides had agreed to renew discussions about more aggressive changes.

His remarks came as doctors along the border said migrants who were sick or injured were being treated like criminals when they were taken to hospitals for medical care. Above, migrants from Central America at a church shelter in El Paso, Tex.

The president also defended the decision to threaten trade partners like Mexico with tariffs, which he called “beautiful.”

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol

I'm a happy Californian right now.


People come here to live - to work and pay rent and buy food and goods.



"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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RodeoSchro said:



guitarslinger44 said:


RodeoSchro said:

If you are a person of faith, ask yourself - what would Jesus do?

Would He say, "Sorry - you weren't born here and you snuck in. I'm real sorry you're sick, hungry, or otherwise need help but that's YOUR problem, not ours"?

I don't think that's what He would say. In fact, I'm pretty sure you can find more than a few examples where He said exactly the opposite.



I'm not a person of faith but I understand what you're saying. If anything, the long game answer would be to invest in the home countries of these folks so they have reason to stay rather than encouraging them to come here. But long game thinking isnt popular because it isn't sexy, doesn't offer quick and easy solutions, and doesn't always feel good.



We should do both - help people right now that need it, as well as invest in helping others help themselves.



I'm all for helping people that haven't circumvented the laws of our country and have gone through proper channels to be here. But part of fixing the system here should be disincentivising bad/illegal behavior be it from illegal immigrants or douchebag Wall Street types.
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DiminutiveRocker said:



guitarslinger44 said:


If I lived in California, I'd be pissed right now lol


I'm a happy Californian right now.


People come here to live - to work and pay rent and buy food and goods.





No they don't. There's a mass exodus of Californians leaving the state to move to Nevada, Texas, Arizona, and unfortunately, Nashville where I live due to exactly these types of policies that have driven costs to astronomical levels that are out of reach for a lot of particularly lower income people. Don't believe me? Read:

https://m.sfgate.com/expe...614119.php

https://www.investors.com...alifornia/

https://www.cnbc.com/2018...state.html


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RodeoSchro said:



guitarslinger44 said:


Ugot2shakesumthin said:
Look we are talking about real people. If someone here regardless of whatever, child or adult is suffering, whether needs surgery or help eating, we should help. Everything else hate stoking bullshit. Yes there needs to be proper immigration strategies, blah blah blah, but that is besides the point. We are talking about basic human rights and humanitarian issues. If you or your family members were hurting you'd like them not to suffer right?

So if I were to show up on your doorstep with no means of supporting myself, you'd take me in, feed me, and cover my medical costs? Got it. DM me your address, I'm tired of working anyway.

"Proper immigration strategy" is difficult when we have leftists who insist on incentivising bad behavior. People got mad that the pricks who crashed the market got to keep all that taxpayer money, but they want to give MORE money to people who break laws, came here without being able to support themselves, and aren't even citizens.

I get that we need to help people, but why not help the people who are already here? I'd have no problem with this if it wasn't California using federal money to do it.



Paying into a societal contract in order to help your fellow man is not the same thing as opening your home to a person on your doorstep.

There are millions of people who are willing to pay what it takes for our society to provide food and services for those who need them, which is the whole point.



I missed this one.

I'm on board with public assistance, I happily pay my taxes, and I'm all good with helping the less fortunate, except when that means a state government circumventing laws and expecting everyone else to pay for it. If California wants to do this, they shouldn't he allowed to use federal funds to make it happen.
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