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Reply #30 posted 06/01/19 12:04pm

benni

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jjhunsecker said:

benni said:



Pokeno, there are people I have hated but I do not mistreat them because of that hatred. I don't think it's about hate.

Your post is extremely racist. When you think that white people have been marginalized, mistreated for being white, profiled for being white, are shot at greater numbers by the police than their black counterparts for committing the same crime -- when, in fact, the opposite is the truth - is racist.

You want to see yourself as the victim. You want to see the white person as the victim of hatred, but you know what? I have NEVER been mistreated by a person of color - but I have been by white people.


https://www.nbcnews.com/n...s-n1006851

True story ---^

He was just picking up trash on his property and had a gun pulled on him by the police. A white person would NEVER have a cop pull a gun on them when they are picking up trash from their own residence.

From the Pew research:


4There has been a steady increase in the share of Americans who view racism as a big problem in the U.S. – especially among African Americans. Since 2009, the first year of Barack Obama’s presidency, the share of those who consider racism a big problem has grown among all racial groups. This is especially true for black Americans. In 2017, about eight-in-ten blacks (81%) said racism is a big problem in society today, up from 44% eight years prior. By comparison, about half of whites (52%) said racism is a big problem in our society, up from 22% in 2009. There were also partisan divides on this question, which have grown from 2015.

5An overwhelming majority of blacks (92%) say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages that blacks do not have. This includes nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) who say whites benefit a great deal. By comparison, 46% of whites say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages in society that blacks don’t have, with just 16% saying whites benefit a great deal. As with views on racism in the U.S., there are wide partisan divides on this question. In addition, those who do not think white people benefit from societal advantages are more likely to say they approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance, while those who think whites greatly benefit from these advantages are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of Trump.

And I'm sorry, but I can't take any Rassmussen poll seriously.


After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.

The response you got was pure absurdity... that Blacks are "the real racists" who have a "victim mentality ". You can't even debate something so ridiculous, but I give you a lot of credit for trying. Keep in mind that poster once claimed to be Black himself, but later denied saying that. I call him Stephen... Quentin Tarantino fans will understand why... One would need to be a trained psychotherapist to untangle the motivations behind such a belief expressed in his response



I agree that the resonse was absurd. When I first started reading it, I was thinking, maybe he would have some good advice for me to use with my daughter (I always give people the benefit of doubt) and then as I kept reading, I was just shocked. Unfortunately, I have family members that are just like that. And I still try to educate them, but they don't want to learn. They are stuck in their mentality, teaching their kids that same mentality, and to be honest, I'm glad I moved away from them.

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Reply #31 posted 06/01/19 12:09pm

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jjhunsecker said:

benni said:



Pokeno, there are people I have hated but I do not mistreat them because of that hatred. I don't think it's about hate.

Your post is extremely racist. When you think that white people have been marginalized, mistreated for being white, profiled for being white, are shot at greater numbers by the police than their black counterparts for committing the same crime -- when, in fact, the opposite is the truth - is racist.

You want to see yourself as the victim. You want to see the white person as the victim of hatred, but you know what? I have NEVER been mistreated by a person of color - but I have been by white people.


https://www.nbcnews.com/n...s-n1006851

True story ---^

He was just picking up trash on his property and had a gun pulled on him by the police. A white person would NEVER have a cop pull a gun on them when they are picking up trash from their own residence.

From the Pew research:


4FT_17.08.29_racismProblem_2.pngThere has been a steady increase in the share of Americans who view racism as a big problem in the U.S. – especially among African Americans. Since 2009, the first year of Barack Obama’s presidency, the share of those who consider racism a big problem has grown among all racial groups. This is especially true for black Americans. In 2017, about eight-in-ten blacks (81%) said racism is a big problem in society today, up from 44% eight years prior. By comparison, about half of whites (52%) said racism is a big problem in our society, up from 22% in 2009. There were also partisan divides on this question, which have grown from 2015.

5An overwhelming majority of blacks (92%) say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages that blacks do not have. This includes nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) who say whites benefit a great deal. By comparison, 46% of whites say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages in society that blacks don’t have, with just 16% saying whites benefit a great deal. As with views on racism in the U.S., there are wide partisan divides on this question. In addition, those who do not think white people benefit from societal advantages are more likely to say they approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance, while those who think whites greatly benefit from these advantages are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of Trump.

And I'm sorry, but I can't take any Rassmussen poll seriously.


After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.

The response you got was pure absurdity... that Blacks are "the real racists" who have a "victim mentality ". You can't even debate something so ridiculous, but I give you a lot of credit for trying. Keep in mind that poster once claimed to be Black himself, but later denied saying that. I call him Stephen... Quentin Tarantino fans will understand why... One would need to be a trained psychotherapist to untangle the motivations behind such a belief expressed in his response

Claimed to be black? Interesting. That says a lot.

I see many right-leaning folks spouting the "blacks are the real racists" bs on social media nowadays. Just another way for these morons to deflect.

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Reply #32 posted 06/01/19 12:32pm

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Trump always wanted the back page so more people would see it when others read it on the subway. This is a crummy copy but it's hard to find one that will let me post.


This is the full page $85,000 ad Trump took out in 4 major city newspapers, in response to the CPJ case. psydoctor8.tumblr.

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Reply #33 posted 06/01/19 12:38pm

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uPtoWnNY said:



jjhunsecker said:


benni said:




Pokeno, there are people I have hated but I do not mistreat them because of that hatred. I don't think it's about hate.

Your post is extremely racist. When you think that white people have been marginalized, mistreated for being white, profiled for being white, are shot at greater numbers by the police than their black counterparts for committing the same crime -- when, in fact, the opposite is the truth - is racist.

You want to see yourself as the victim. You want to see the white person as the victim of hatred, but you know what? I have NEVER been mistreated by a person of color - but I have been by white people.


https://www.nbcnews.com/n...s-n1006851

True story ---^

He was just picking up trash on his property and had a gun pulled on him by the police. A white person would NEVER have a cop pull a gun on them when they are picking up trash from their own residence.

From the Pew research:



4There has been a steady increase in the share of Americans who view racism as a big problem in the U.S. – especially among African Americans. Since 2009, the first year of Barack Obama’s presidency, the share of those who consider racism a big problem has grown among all racial groups. This is especially true for black Americans. In 2017, about eight-in-ten blacks (81%) said racism is a big problem in society today, up from 44% eight years prior. By comparison, about half of whites (52%) said racism is a big problem in our society, up from 22% in 2009. There were also partisan divides on this question, which have grown from 2015.


5An overwhelming majority of blacks (92%) say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages that blacks do not have. This includes nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) who say whites benefit a great deal. By comparison, 46% of whites say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages in society that blacks don’t have, with just 16% saying whites benefit a great deal. As with views on racism in the U.S., there are wide partisan divides on this question. In addition, those who do not think white people benefit from societal advantages are more likely to say they approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance, while those who think whites greatly benefit from these advantages are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of Trump.

And I'm sorry, but I can't take any Rassmussen poll seriously.


After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.



The response you got was pure absurdity... that Blacks are "the real racists" who have a "victim mentality ". You can't even debate something so ridiculous, but I give you a lot of credit for trying. Keep in mind that poster once claimed to be Black himself, but later denied saying that. I call him Stephen... Quentin Tarantino fans will understand why... One would need to be a trained psychotherapist to untangle the motivations behind such a belief expressed in his response


Claimed to be black? Interesting. That says a lot.



I see many right-leaning folks spouting the "blacks are the real racists" bs on social media nowadays. Just another way for these morons to deflect.



Yep, so either he was lying when he claimed he was Black, or lying when he denied saying it. I think 2E might also recall his claims
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Reply #34 posted 06/01/19 12:41pm

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poppys said:

Trump always wanted the back page so more people would see it when others read it on the subway. This is a crummy copy but it's hard to find one that will let me post.


This is the full page $85,000 ad Trump took out in 4 major city newspapers, in response to the CPJ case. psydoctor8.tumblr.



And remember- Trump says he STILL thinks they're guilty, even though the physical evidence exonerated them, and doesn't believe that the city should have settled the suit
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Reply #35 posted 06/01/19 12:50pm

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I can only do this in small portions.
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Reply #36 posted 06/01/19 12:56pm

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

Trump always wanted the back page so more people would see it when others read it on the subway. This is a crummy copy but it's hard to find one that will let me post.


This is the full page $85,000 ad Trump took out in 4 major city newspapers, in response to the CPJ case. psydoctor8.tumblr.


And remember- Trump says he STILL thinks they're guilty, even though the physical evidence exonerated them, and doesn't believe that the city should have settled the suit


Indeed. And people wonder how so many knew what he was when he got elected. "Hillary's just as bad" disbelief

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Reply #37 posted 06/01/19 1:05pm

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Those were crazy times. That same year saw the horrific murder of a Black youth named Yusuf Hawkins who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was murdered by a White gang in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.

When I was growing up in Brooklyn around that time, whie I had a very diverse group of friends (my mother wanted me to go to a mainly White High School, since they would have the better teachers and facilities), there were also race riots at the time as well.

I remember that. Poor kid went there to buy a car.

Al Sharpton leading the first protest march over the death of Yusef Hawkins in Bensonhurst, 1989.



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Reply #38 posted 06/01/19 1:22pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

^Excellent post.



benni, the best way to explain/deal with issues of race is brutal honesty. You can't dance around it, or look the other way - it has to be met head-on. Racists (like the clown in the WH), have low self-esteem. They want to feel good about themselves, so they'll stereotype and hate on folks who don't look or think like they do. It's easier to be ignorant rather than taking the time to educate oneself, learn about others' experiences (in order to understand why people feel the way they do). History is the best teacher - look at how our society was set up(and for whom), how we got to this point, and what we need to do to move forward.



Years ago, conservative columnist Stanley Crouch pointed out a sad truth...in ANY society, the darker you are, the more hell you'll catch.

[Edited 6/1/19 6:31am]


Excellent post. You are 100% correct. clapping
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Reply #39 posted 06/01/19 1:26pm

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benni said:



2elijah said:


benni said:



What happened the prosecuting attorney? I mean, did she ever get in trouble for trying to hide evidence (the sock)? And the LE that treated those babies so poorly, while they had gotten promotions at the time, were they EVER reprimanded once the truth came out???




I didn’t follow up on that, because at the time the announcement came, that they were freed, I was so happy to hear that news. I just remember how messy the case was. The victim did not identify any of them as the suspects, when she recovered. It was some in law enforcement who tried to persuade her it was them, because they had already made them the suspects and didn’t want to be embarassed that they got it wrong. They simply didn’t care that they were ruining those guys lives.



It's just so sad. Those kids lost a significant portion of their youth behind bars for a crime they did not commit. And no matter whether they did seek a civil suit, they have to live with what being locked up has done to them. I doubt very seriously if they trust anyone very easily any more.


Yes it was very sad. The media painted them as monsters for a crime they never committed. There have been several cases like that throughout this country, so theirs surely isn’t the first. I’m just glad they got their justice.
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Reply #40 posted 06/01/19 1:46pm

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jjhunsecker said:

benni said:



Pokeno, there are people I have hated but I do not mistreat them because of that hatred. I don't think it's about hate.

Your post is extremely racist. When you think that white people have been marginalized, mistreated for being white, profiled for being white, are shot at greater numbers by the police than their black counterparts for committing the same crime -- when, in fact, the opposite is the truth - is racist.

You want to see yourself as the victim. You want to see the white person as the victim of hatred, but you know what? I have NEVER been mistreated by a person of color - but I have been by white people.


https://www.nbcnews.com/n...s-n1006851

True story ---^

He was just picking up trash on his property and had a gun pulled on him by the police. A white person would NEVER have a cop pull a gun on them when they are picking up trash from their own residence.

From the Pew research:


4There has been a steady increase in the share of Americans who view racism as a big problem in the U.S. – especially among African Americans. Since 2009, the first year of Barack Obama’s presidency, the share of those who consider racism a big problem has grown among all racial groups. This is especially true for black Americans. In 2017, about eight-in-ten blacks (81%) said racism is a big problem in society today, up from 44% eight years prior. By comparison, about half of whites (52%) said racism is a big problem in our society, up from 22% in 2009. There were also partisan divides on this question, which have grown from 2015.

5An overwhelming majority of blacks (92%) say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages that blacks do not have. This includes nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) who say whites benefit a great deal. By comparison, 46% of whites say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages in society that blacks don’t have, with just 16% saying whites benefit a great deal. As with views on racism in the U.S., there are wide partisan divides on this question. In addition, those who do not think white people benefit from societal advantages are more likely to say they approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance, while those who think whites greatly benefit from these advantages are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of Trump.

And I'm sorry, but I can't take any Rassmussen poll seriously.


After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.

The response you got was pure absurdity... that Blacks are "the real racists" who have a "victim mentality ". You can't even debate something so ridiculous, but I give you a lot of credit for trying. Keep in mind that poster once claimed to be Black himself, but later denied saying that. I call him Stephen... Quentin Tarantino fans will understand why... One would need to be a trained psychotherapist to untangle the motivations behind such a belief expressed in his response


^ Agreed. These factors: 1) the poster; 2) the content 3) poting to "an excellent source" then quoting A Rasmussen poll 4) the tiresome followup meme with an inappropriate remark.

Benni was expressing a real sadness and outrage that such injustice could have been done to those 5 young boys. You can see the deep emotional scars in their eyes when they speak. It's truly heartbreaking.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #41 posted 06/01/19 1:48pm

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jjhunsecker said:

uPtoWnNY said:



jjhunsecker said:


benni said:




Pokeno, there are people I have hated but I do not mistreat them because of that hatred. I don't think it's about hate.

Your post is extremely racist. When you think that white people have been marginalized, mistreated for being white, profiled for being white, are shot at greater numbers by the police than their black counterparts for committing the same crime -- when, in fact, the opposite is the truth - is racist.

You want to see yourself as the victim. You want to see the white person as the victim of hatred, but you know what? I have NEVER been mistreated by a person of color - but I have been by white people.


https://www.nbcnews.com/n...s-n1006851

True story ---^

He was just picking up trash on his property and had a gun pulled on him by the police. A white person would NEVER have a cop pull a gun on them when they are picking up trash from their own residence.

From the Pew research:



4There has been a steady increase in the share of Americans who view racism as a big problem in the U.S. – especially among African Americans. Since 2009, the first year of Barack Obama’s presidency, the share of those who consider racism a big problem has grown among all racial groups. This is especially true for black Americans. In 2017, about eight-in-ten blacks (81%) said racism is a big problem in society today, up from 44% eight years prior. By comparison, about half of whites (52%) said racism is a big problem in our society, up from 22% in 2009. There were also partisan divides on this question, which have grown from 2015.


5An overwhelming majority of blacks (92%) say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages that blacks do not have. This includes nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) who say whites benefit a great deal. By comparison, 46% of whites say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages in society that blacks don’t have, with just 16% saying whites benefit a great deal. As with views on racism in the U.S., there are wide partisan divides on this question. In addition, those who do not think white people benefit from societal advantages are more likely to say they approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance, while those who think whites greatly benefit from these advantages are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of Trump.

And I'm sorry, but I can't take any Rassmussen poll seriously.


After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.



The response you got was pure absurdity... that Blacks are "the real racists" who have a "victim mentality ". You can't even debate something so ridiculous, but I give you a lot of credit for trying. Keep in mind that poster once claimed to be Black himself, but later denied saying that. I call him Stephen... Quentin Tarantino fans will understand why... One would need to be a trained psychotherapist to untangle the motivations behind such a belief expressed in his response


Claimed to be black? Interesting. That says a lot.



I see many right-leaning folks spouting the "blacks are the real racists" bs on social media nowadays. Just another way for these morons to deflect.



Yep, so either he was lying when he claimed he was Black, or lying when he denied saying it. I think 2E might also recall his claims

Yep. Lol.
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Reply #42 posted 06/01/19 1:53pm

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

Trump always wanted the back page so more people would see it when others read it on the subway. This is a crummy copy but it's hard to find one that will let me post.


This is the full page $85,000 ad Trump took out in 4 major city newspapers, in response to the CPJ case. psydoctor8.tumblr.



And remember- Trump says he STILL thinks they're guilty, even though the physical evidence exonerated them, and doesn't believe that the city should have settled the suit

That’s because he’s a disgusting piece of shit. He wanted them executed for a crime they never committed. He doesn’t want to admit he was wrong about them.
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Reply #43 posted 06/01/19 1:56pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Those were crazy times. That same year saw the horrific murder of a Black youth named Yusuf Hawkins who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was murdered by a White gang in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.



When I was growing up in Brooklyn around that time, whie I had a very diverse group of friends (my mother wanted me to go to a mainly White High School, since they would have the better teachers and facilities), there were also race riots at the time as well.


I remember that too. Horrible times in NYC. The residents there were on tv saying they didn’t want Blacks in their community, and making all kinds of racist comments about Blacks.
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Reply #44 posted 06/01/19 2:09pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
And remember- Trump says he STILL thinks they're guilty, even though the physical evidence exonerated them, and doesn't believe that the city should have settled the suit
That’s because he’s a disgusting piece of shit. He wanted them executed for a crime they never committed. He doesn’t want to admit he was wrong about them.



That racism is part of the reason he got elected.

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Reply #45 posted 06/01/19 2:50pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Those were crazy times. That same year saw the horrific murder of a Black youth named Yusuf Hawkins who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was murdered by a White gang in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.

When I was growing up in Brooklyn around that time, whie I had a very diverse group of friends (my mother wanted me to go to a mainly White High School, since they would have the better teachers and facilities), there were also race riots at the time as well.


That's what I don't understand, jj. Why were those times like that? It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone could mistreat someone else, and especially not for anything they did, but simply because of how they look. And that's what it comes down to, it's not anything that these boys did, the guy that was picking up trash around his apartment building, it wasn't anything he did (and the cop pulled out a gun on him).

I picked up my daughter a little while ago (missed whatever Poke said that got pulled) and I can tell her mom is still cautious around me. She doesn't know me, she doesn't know what I'm about yet. We've only met twice. And I'm fine with her caution, I understand it. She's moved here from New York, and things are decidedly different in the south. So I'm thinking at some point of having a barbecue somewhere and inviting her, her family, so that we can get to know each other. And will just take my time with her until she knows she can trust me, that I am who I am. I figure time and patience is key.


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onlyforaminute said:

I can only do this in small portions.


It's hard to watch. I just couldn't stop watching last night. My heart was breaking for them and I wanted to know what happened. (As I said, I really didn't watch news back then and didn't know all of this had been going on at the time.) I think I will have to do it in small portions with my daughter.

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Reply #47 posted 06/01/19 2:53pm

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

Trump always wanted the back page so more people would see it when others read it on the subway. This is a crummy copy but it's hard to find one that will let me post.


This is the full page $85,000 ad Trump took out in 4 major city newspapers, in response to the CPJ case. psydoctor8.tumblr.

And remember- Trump says he STILL thinks they're guilty, even though the physical evidence exonerated them, and doesn't believe that the city should have settled the suit



I remember him saying that - that he doesn't believe they are innocent, that they are guilty. But Trump is an idiot.

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Reply #48 posted 06/01/19 2:56pm

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JJ mentioned a Ken Burns and his daughters documentary and a 20/20 special. Are there any other movies, documentaries, book recommendations?

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Reply #49 posted 06/01/19 3:38pm

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benni said:

jjhunsecker said:

Those were crazy times. That same year saw the horrific murder of a Black youth named Yusuf Hawkins who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was murdered by a White gang in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.

When I was growing up in Brooklyn around that time, whie I had a very diverse group of friends (my mother wanted me to go to a mainly White High School, since they would have the better teachers and facilities), there were also race riots at the time as well.


That's what I don't understand, jj. Why were those times like that? It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone could mistreat someone else, and especially not for anything they did, but simply because of how they look. And that's what it comes down to, it's not anything that these boys did, the guy that was picking up trash around his apartment building, it wasn't anything he did (and the cop pulled out a gun on him).

I picked up my daughter a little while ago (missed whatever Poke said that got pulled) and I can tell her mom is still cautious around me. She doesn't know me, she doesn't know what I'm about yet. We've only met twice. And I'm fine with her caution, I understand it. She's moved here from New York, and things are decidedly different in the south. So I'm thinking at some point of having a barbecue somewhere and inviting her, her family, so that we can get to know each other. And will just take my time with her until she knows she can trust me, that I am who I am. I figure time and patience is key.


Why were times like that? Because you have a lot of shitty people in this world. Shitty people come in all classes and all colors. I've dealt with my share, from the South Bronx projects to the Long Island suburbs. I'm wary of anyone outside of immediate family, but I admit that I'm more cynical than most.

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benni said:



jjhunsecker said:


Those were crazy times. That same year saw the horrific murder of a Black youth named Yusuf Hawkins who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was murdered by a White gang in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.



When I was growing up in Brooklyn around that time, whie I had a very diverse group of friends (my mother wanted me to go to a mainly White High School, since they would have the better teachers and facilities), there were also race riots at the time as well.




That's what I don't understand, jj. Why were those times like that? It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone could mistreat someone else, and especially not for anything they did, but simply because of how they look. And that's what it comes down to, it's not anything that these boys did, the guy that was picking up trash around his apartment building, it wasn't anything he did (and the cop pulled out a gun on him).

I picked up my daughter a little while ago (missed whatever Poke said that got pulled) and I can tell her mom is still cautious around me. She doesn't know me, she doesn't know what I'm about yet. We've only met twice. And I'm fine with her caution, I understand it. She's moved here from New York, and things are decidedly different in the south. So I'm thinking at some point of having a barbecue somewhere and inviting her, her family, so that we can get to know each other. And will just take my time with her until she knows she can trust me, that I am who I am. I figure time and patience is key.




One thing from those days in NYC (and other urban areas) was that a lot of racial incidents involved mainly lower middle class Italian-Americans and sometimes Irish/Americans. I suspect a lot of the dynamic was that they wanted someone to feel "superior " to . And this need was often expressed through violence.

I personally was subjected to several such incidents- from walking down the street and called "n****r", to threats, to physical confrontations...
(And no, I'm not playing the "race card " or have a "victim mentality " like some might claim..... I'm simply describing exactly what I experienced)
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JJ mentioned a Ken Burns and his daughters documentary and a 20/20 special. Are there any other movies, documentaries, book recommendations?


I do not know of any other books (other than Sarah Burn's book and doc) - but the doc is powerful and should not be missed.

Watching "when they" now neutral very compelling and disturbing.

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Reply #52 posted 06/01/19 4:33pm

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uPtoWnNY said:



benni said:




jjhunsecker said:


Those were crazy times. That same year saw the horrific murder of a Black youth named Yusuf Hawkins who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was murdered by a White gang in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.



When I was growing up in Brooklyn around that time, whie I had a very diverse group of friends (my mother wanted me to go to a mainly White High School, since they would have the better teachers and facilities), there were also race riots at the time as well.




That's what I don't understand, jj. Why were those times like that? It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone could mistreat someone else, and especially not for anything they did, but simply because of how they look. And that's what it comes down to, it's not anything that these boys did, the guy that was picking up trash around his apartment building, it wasn't anything he did (and the cop pulled out a gun on him).

I picked up my daughter a little while ago (missed whatever Poke said that got pulled) and I can tell her mom is still cautious around me. She doesn't know me, she doesn't know what I'm about yet. We've only met twice. And I'm fine with her caution, I understand it. She's moved here from New York, and things are decidedly different in the south. So I'm thinking at some point of having a barbecue somewhere and inviting her, her family, so that we can get to know each other. And will just take my time with her until she knows she can trust me, that I am who I am. I figure time and patience is key.





Why were times like that? Because you have a lot of shitty people in this world. Shitty people come in all classes and all colors. I've dealt with my share, from the South Bronx projects to the Long Island suburbs. I'm wary of anyone outside of immediate family, but I admit that I'm more cynical than most.



True dat....
And I might even have you beat on the cynicism front. One thing I learned from my Italian friends of my youth, and that is never trust anyone unless you know them personally
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Trump always wanted the back page so more people would see it when others read it on the subway. This is a crummy copy but it's hard to find one that will let me post.


This is the full page $85,000 ad Trump took out in 4 major city newspapers, in response to the CPJ case. psydoctor8.tumblr.

He has been a piece of shit his entire, miserable life.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #54 posted 06/01/19 5:21pm

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Claimed to be black? Interesting. That says a lot.

I see many right-leaning folks spouting the "blacks are the real racists" bs on social media nowadays. Just another way for these morons to deflect.


I sure as hell hope those lies aren't directed at me, as I have never described my race or ethnicity here on the Org.

As for the people who believe blacks are "the real racists", I have no clue what that means. You're saying there are real racists and fake racists?

Every race on this planet has racists, only a racist would claim that a particular race doesn't have racists.

And this forum sure as hell doesn't do blacks any favors, as you've got people who constantly bring up race and post anti-white rhetoric. Only racists make everything about race. Only racists see everyone as black or white. Only racists place labels on individuals strictly because of their race.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Reply #55 posted 06/01/19 5:30pm

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^^ Excuse me, don't you have somewhere to be where you can describe someone by "the size of their breasts" ??

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Pokeno4Money said:



uPtoWnNY said:



Claimed to be black? Interesting. That says a lot.



I see many right-leaning folks spouting the "blacks are the real racists" bs on social media nowadays. Just another way for these morons to deflect.




I sure as hell hope those lies aren't directed at me, as I have never described my race or ethnicity here on the Org.

As for the people who believe blacks are "the real racists", I have no clue what that means. You're saying there are real racists and fake racists?

Every race on this planet has racists, only a racist would claim that a particular race doesn't have racists.

And this forum sure as hell doesn't do blacks any favors, as you've got people who constantly bring up race and post anti-white rhetoric. Only racists make everything about race. Only racists see everyone as black or white. Only racists place labels on individuals strictly because of their race.



Some of us have long memories, Stephen...

And pretending that racism doesn't exist, or that anyone who even mentions it is the "real racist ".... Well, that's ultimately too absurd to take seriously (As well as ironic coming from a poster who's bottom statement in his posts contains the phrase "Gay BLACK Men "...I thought we weren't supposed to "label " people? )
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benni said:


That's what I don't understand, jj. Why were those times like that? It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone could mistreat someone else, and especially not for anything they did, but simply because of how they look. And that's what it comes down to, it's not anything that these boys did, the guy that was picking up trash around his apartment building, it wasn't anything he did (and the cop pulled out a gun on him).

I picked up my daughter a little while ago (missed whatever Poke said that got pulled) and I can tell her mom is still cautious around me. She doesn't know me, she doesn't know what I'm about yet. We've only met twice. And I'm fine with her caution, I understand it. She's moved here from New York, and things are decidedly different in the south. So I'm thinking at some point of having a barbecue somewhere and inviting her, her family, so that we can get to know each other. And will just take my time with her until she knows she can trust me, that I am who I am. I figure time and patience is key.


Why were times like that? Because you have a lot of shitty people in this world. Shitty people come in all classes and all colors. I've dealt with my share, from the South Bronx projects to the Long Island suburbs. I'm wary of anyone outside of immediate family, but I admit that I'm more cynical than most.


I generally am, too, but for different reasons. My childhood never made it easy for me to trust me people. I'm just sorry you ever had to deal with anyone like that, uPtoWn.

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That's what I don't understand, jj. Why were those times like that? It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone could mistreat someone else, and especially not for anything they did, but simply because of how they look. And that's what it comes down to, it's not anything that these boys did, the guy that was picking up trash around his apartment building, it wasn't anything he did (and the cop pulled out a gun on him).

I picked up my daughter a little while ago (missed whatever Poke said that got pulled) and I can tell her mom is still cautious around me. She doesn't know me, she doesn't know what I'm about yet. We've only met twice. And I'm fine with her caution, I understand it. She's moved here from New York, and things are decidedly different in the south. So I'm thinking at some point of having a barbecue somewhere and inviting her, her family, so that we can get to know each other. And will just take my time with her until she knows she can trust me, that I am who I am. I figure time and patience is key.


One thing from those days in NYC (and other urban areas) was that a lot of racial incidents involved mainly lower middle class Italian-Americans and sometimes Irish/Americans. I suspect a lot of the dynamic was that they wanted someone to feel "superior " to . And this need was often expressed through violence. I personally was subjected to several such incidents- from walking down the street and called "n****r", to threats, to physical confrontations... (And no, I'm not playing the "race card " or have a "victim mentality " like some might claim...... I'm simply describing exactly what I experienced) [Edited 6/1/19 16:16pm]



I think the world will become a better place when everyone realizes that none of us superior to another, but until we realize that, there won't ever be any true equality either.

jj, I actually got teary eyed when you said you'd experienced several incidents. You've always been such a true sweetheart, kind and patient (at least with me) and I just can't imagine anyone treating you that way. And you aren't playing the race card, you are just stating your experiences. It's no different than me sharing my childhood experiences and no one has ever said I was using the "gender card" or that I have a "victim mentality" for it. Neither do you. Our experiences are real to us, they are what help to shape us and help us to develop our views of the world and the people around us. (((((((((((jj)))))))))))) I'm sorry that you (or anyone on here) ever experienced anything like that. It's not deserved. It's not right. And it's not justified.

Big love at you.

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benni said:

JJ mentioned a Ken Burns and his daughters documentary and a 20/20 special. Are there any other movies, documentaries, book recommendations?


I do not know of any other books (other than Sarah Burn's book and doc) - but the doc is powerful and should not be missed.

Watching "when they" now neutral very compelling and disturbing.


Please let me know if you do come across any.

I watched the first one with my daughter (When They See Us), and she sat right next to me and cried through it. She said the very thought that her girlfriend might experience anything like that, terrifies her. She didn't have any questions tonight. Was very quiet after and just said she wanted some time to process the first one. She's actually been very quiet the rest of the night and I know she's thinking about it, processing it. I've told her that anytime she wants to talk about it, to let me know, even if it means waking me up in the middle of the night (I know how sensitive she can be).

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