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Thread started 05/31/19 8:04pm

benni

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When They See US...

I've been binge watching this tonight. I can't turn it off. I've been sitting here crying all night and all I can think is those poor babies. Back in 1989, when this happened, I never watched the news and I didn't know this case was going on. But as I've gotten older, I have, of course, heard about this case (Central Park 5). I heard about the full page ad that Trump took out (seeing him in this movie, the clips of the interviews, what he said, I can honestly say at this time, I despise him). But as I'm watching this, I keep thinking that nothing has changed since that time. Nothing. Systemic racism is still too real in this country. And not just systemic racism, but just racism in general.

But when I watched this mini series, and I saw these 5 boys being found guilty, I just wanted to grab them all up and hug them. Why do we treat people so poorly based upon the color of their skin? I don't get it. I've never gotten it. I mean, what causes someone to be racist? Where does it come from? This mini series is breaking my heart though.

My daughter called me earlier, to let me know what time to pick her up tomorrow. She's spending the night with a friend. And I had been crying when she called and she asked if I was okay. I told her I was just watching something on Netflix that's heartbreaking and she asked what it was. I told her the name of the series. My daughter is 15 and she has come out as being gay in the last year. She's spending the night tonight with her girlfriend. She told me that her girfriend mentioned the series tonight and my daughter wants to see it. Her girlfriend is originally from New York and her mother knew one of the boys when he was younger, went to school with him apparently. (And yes, my daughter's girlfriend is black and absolutely beautiful. She hasn't come out to her parents yet, because her dad is a preacher and she's amazed that my daughter could tell her father and I so easily.) But my daughter asked a few questions about it, and I told her we'd talk about it tomorrow night when we watch it together.

But she's asking some of the questions I'm asking. What causes someone to be racist? Why are people so quick to want to see a person of color as being bad? She said she's been struggling with that lately because her girlfriend is the sweetest, kindest person she knows, and can't imagine anyone seeing her as anything besides that.

So how do you address racism with a sensitive 15 year old?

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Reply #1 posted 05/31/19 8:20pm

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Yes, I posted about it on the other thread by Poppy. I’ll never forget what happened to those young men back then. Trump put a full page ad calling for the death penalty for them, and it turns out they never committed that crime. They were wrongly accused, and the real rapist confessed years later, although I believe he tried to come forward before, but nothing g was ever fine about until years later. A few LE officials got promotions from that case off the backs of innocent young men. I’m glad they were finally freed for a crime they didn’t commit.
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Reply #2 posted 05/31/19 8:32pm

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Aww, that's cool about your daughter. Luckily she has a wonderful Mom.


The Central Park 5 case was and still is such a horror. Just thinking about it makes me agitated all over again. I remember the day when the Trump page came out and we were all upset over it at work. I will make a point of seeing what Ava DuVernay made about that nightmare case.

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Reply #3 posted 05/31/19 8:40pm

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2elijah said:

Yes, I posted about it on the other thread by Poppy. I’ll never forget what happened to those young men back then. Trump put a full page ad calling for the death penalty for them, and it turns out they never committed that crime. They were wrongly accused, and the real rapist confessed years later, although I believe he tried to come forward before, but nothing g was ever fine about until years later. A few LE officials got promotions from that case off the backs of innocent young men. I’m glad they were finally freed for a crime they didn’t commit.


What happened the prosecuting attorney? I mean, did she ever get in trouble for trying to hide evidence (the sock)? And the LE that treated those babies so poorly, while they had gotten promotions at the time, were they EVER reprimanded once the truth came out???


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Reply #4 posted 05/31/19 8:42pm

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poppys said:

Aww, that's cool about your daughter. Luckily she has a wonderful Mom.


The Central Park 5 case was and still is such a horror. Just thinking about it makes me agitated all over again. I remember that day when the Trump pagecame out and we were all upset over it at work. I will make a point of seeing what Ava DuVernay made about that nightmare case.



You really should watch it, but have tissues handy. And expect to get angry too. What LE did to those boys is just... I don't have to words to describe it. They did those boys wrong in so many ways.


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Reply #5 posted 05/31/19 8:56pm

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benni said:

poppys said:

Aww, that's cool about your daughter. Luckily she has a wonderful Mom.


The Central Park 5 case was and still is such a horror. Just thinking about it makes me agitated all over again. I remember that day when the Trump pagecame out and we were all upset over it at work. I will make a point of seeing what Ava DuVernay made about that nightmare case.



You really should watch it, but have tissues handy. And expect to get angry too. What LE did to those boys is just... I don't have to words to describe it. They did those boys wrong in so many ways.



Yes. I lived in Manhattan then. It was a very horrible and tense time.

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Those were crazy times. That same year saw the horrific murder of a Black youth named Yusuf Hawkins who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was murdered by a White gang in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.

When I was growing up in Brooklyn around that time, whie I had a very diverse group of friends (my mother wanted me to go to a mainly White High School, since they would have the better teachers and facilities), there were also race riots at the time as well.

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Reply #7 posted 05/31/19 11:22pm

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benni said:

2elijah said:

Yes, I posted about it on the other thread by Poppy. I’ll never forget what happened to those young men back then. Trump put a full page ad calling for the death penalty for them, and it turns out they never committed that crime. They were wrongly accused, and the real rapist confessed years later, although I believe he tried to come forward before, but nothing g was ever fine about until years later. A few LE officials got promotions from that case off the backs of innocent young men. I’m glad they were finally freed for a crime they didn’t commit.


What happened the prosecuting attorney? I mean, did she ever get in trouble for trying to hide evidence (the sock)? And the LE that treated those babies so poorly, while they had gotten promotions at the time, were they EVER reprimanded once the truth came out???


Did you see the Ken Burns and his daughters documentary on the subject ? Also , ABC's "20/20" had a 2 hour special edition devoted to the case a few weeks ago (you can probably catch it on demand)

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It's funny, becuase Al Sharpton is such a boogeyman and figure of hatred and scorn of so many Whites in particular. I've personally been critical of Rev. Al on many occassions....but in the case of the Central Park Five he was absolutely RIGHT from the beginning

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benni said:

What causes someone to be racist? Why are people so quick to want to see a person of color as being bad? She said she's been struggling with that lately because her girlfriend is the sweetest, kindest person she knows, and can't imagine anyone seeing her as anything besides that.

So how do you address racism with a sensitive 15 year old?


[Snip - luv4u]

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #10 posted 06/01/19 5:26am

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Pokeno4Money said:

benni said:

What causes someone to be racist? Why are people so quick to want to see a person of color as being bad? She said she's been struggling with that lately because her girlfriend is the sweetest, kindest person she knows, and can't imagine anyone seeing her as anything besides that.

So how do you address racism with a sensitive 15 year old?

[Snip - luv4u]



Pokeno, there are people I have hated but I do not mistreat them because of that hatred. I don't think it's about hate.

Your post is extremely racist. When you think that white people have been marginalized, mistreated for being white, profiled for being white, are shot at greater numbers by the police than their black counterparts for committing the same crime -- when, in fact, the opposite is the truth - is racist.

You want to see yourself as the victim. You want to see the white person as the victim of hatred, but you know what? I have NEVER been mistreated by a person of color - but I have been by white people.


https://www.nbcnews.com/n...s-n1006851

True story ---^

He was just picking up trash on his property and had a gun pulled on him by the police. A white person would NEVER have a cop pull a gun on them when they are picking up trash from their own residence.

From the Pew research:


4FT_17.08.29_racismProblem_2.pngThere has been a steady increase in the share of Americans who view racism as a big problem in the U.S. – especially among African Americans. Since 2009, the first year of Barack Obama’s presidency, the share of those who consider racism a big problem has grown among all racial groups. This is especially true for black Americans. In 2017, about eight-in-ten blacks (81%) said racism is a big problem in society today, up from 44% eight years prior. By comparison, about half of whites (52%) said racism is a big problem in our society, up from 22% in 2009. There were also partisan divides on this question, which have grown from 2015.

5An overwhelming majority of blacks (92%) say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages that blacks do not have. This includes nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) who say whites benefit a great deal. By comparison, 46% of whites say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages in society that blacks don’t have, with just 16% saying whites benefit a great deal. As with views on racism in the U.S., there are wide partisan divides on this question. In addition, those who do not think white people benefit from societal advantages are more likely to say they approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance, while those who think whites greatly benefit from these advantages are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of Trump.

And I'm sorry, but I can't take any Rassmussen poll seriously.


After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.

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Reply #11 posted 06/01/19 5:41am

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Pokeno4Money said:

benni said:

What causes someone to be racist? Why are people so quick to want to see a person of color as being bad? She said she's been struggling with that lately because her girlfriend is the sweetest, kindest person she knows, and can't imagine anyone seeing her as anything besides that.

So how do you address racism with a sensitive 15 year old?

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1. She is allowed to study race, to study different cultures, to study different peoples and their values and lifestyles.

2 and 3. I once made a comment in grad school during a diversity class that "I am colorblind" meaning (for me) that I don't judge others based on their skin color - not that I don't see the color of their skin. But I had a classmate that really took offense to the "I am colorblind" because as she said, "You can hide your ethnicity if you want (and no, being white is not an ethnicity), but I can't hide my ethnicity. I see it every morning when I wake up. I am aware of it every time I walk outside my home and go to the store. I see it everytime a cop drives by and I wonder, "will I be harrassed?" I can't escape it. I can't hide it. I can't ignore it. How dare you lie and tell me you don't see the color of my skin. You can see it. When you look at me you know I am black. And so do I. To claim to not see it is to ignore who I am, to ignore a big part of me." (Paraphrased from memory). And she had a point that I took to heart. She was absolutely right. To ignore race is to ignore a large part of who we are as a person, and as a people. But yes, I do teach my daughter to look at a person's behavior towards her, how they treat others, in forming her own opinions about that individual (just as I have my two older boys) and that is obvious because when my daughter told me about her girlfriend, she never once said, "She's black" she would tell me instead, "She's so fun, mom. She's funny and she acts just like I do. She's artistic like I am and we're always drawing pictures together. And she's so nice to everyone, everyone adores her. She's more outgoing than I am, but that's okay. She can be the social butterfly, and I'll be my usual emo self." I didn't learn her girlfriend was black until her mom sent me an online e-invite to her birthday party and she had a picture of her daughter on there. And to be honest, I was very proud of my daughter, because that was not a descriptive for who her girlfriend is to her. But I will not teach her to not regard someone's race and view them as "race neutral". It ignores that individual's culture, it ignores that individual's experiences, it ignores that individual's a large part of who that person is.

Case in point, you obviously associate with "being white" and feel put upon when others debate your ideas about white racism. You obviously feel as though you are "losing benefits" since you believe that people of color are gaining benefits you don't have. Your identity is white. If you truly lived what you are speaking above, you wouldn't start off by claiming racism against whites.

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Reply #12 posted 06/01/19 6:27am

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^Excellent post.

benni, the best way to explain/deal with issues of race is brutal honesty. You can't dance around it, or look the other way - it has to be met head-on. Racists (like the clown in the WH), have low self-esteem. They want to feel good about themselves, so they'll stereotype and hate on folks who don't look or think like they do. It's easier to be ignorant rather than taking the time to educate oneself, learn about others' experiences (in order to understand why people feel the way they do). History is the best teacher - look at how our society was set up(and for whom), how we got to this point, and what we need to do to move forward.

Years ago, conservative columnist Stanley Crouch pointed out a sad truth...in ANY society, the darker you are, the more hell you'll catch.

[Edited 6/1/19 6:31am]

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It's funny, becuase Al Sharpton is such a boogeyman and figure of hatred and scorn of so many Whites in particular. I've personally been critical of Rev. Al on many occassions....but in the case of the Central Park Five he was absolutely RIGHT from the beginning

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Reply #14 posted 06/01/19 6:34am

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benni, the best way to explain/deal with issues of race is brutal honesty. You can't dance around it, or look the other way - it has to be met head-on. Racists (like the clown in the WH), have low self-esteem. They want to feel good about themselves, so they'll stereotype and hate on folks who don't look or think like they do. It's easier to be ignorant rather than taking the time to educate oneself, learn about others' experiences (in order to understand why people feel the way they do). History is the best teacher - look at how our society was set up(and for whom), how we got to this point, and what we need to do to move forward.

Years ago, conservative columnist Stanley Crouch pointed out a sad truth...in ANY society, the darker you are, the more hell you'll catch.


Reading his weekly columns in the Village Voice throughout the 80s was a must. Stanley taught us a lot. He didn't sugarcoat.

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Reply #15 posted 06/01/19 6:38am

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uPtoWnNY said:

^Excellent post.

benni, the best way to explain/deal with issues of race is brutal honesty. You can't dance around it, or look the other way - it has to be met head-on. Racists (like the clown in the WH), have low self-esteem. They want to feel good about themselves, so they'll stereotype and hate on folks who don't look or think like they do. It's easier to be ignorant rather than taking the time to educate oneself, learn about others' experiences (in order to understand why people feel the way they do). History is the best teacher - look at how our society was set up(and for whom), how we got to this point, and what we need to do to move forward.

Years ago, conservative columnist Stanley Crouch pointed out a sad truth...in ANY society, the darker you are, the more hell you'll catch.

[Edited 6/1/19 6:31am]


uPtoWnNy, I know when we watch this mini series tonight she is going to have a lot of questions about the brutality these boys faced (and knowing my daughter) she'll want to know whether her girlfriend can or will face these same challenges. What is the best way to talk to her about this miniseries, what these boys faced, and how that relates to today's world, and more closely associated to her, her girlfriend? (I know she'll probably ask her girlfriend a lot of questions, too, but there may be some things she won't feel comfortable asking her girlfriend because she won't want to make her girlfriend feel bad.)

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Reply #16 posted 06/01/19 6:44am

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poppys said:

uPtoWnNY said:

benni, the best way to explain/deal with issues of race is brutal honesty. You can't dance around it, or look the other way - it has to be met head-on. Racists (like the clown in the WH), have low self-esteem. They want to feel good about themselves, so they'll stereotype and hate on folks who don't look or think like they do. It's easier to be ignorant rather than taking the time to educate oneself, learn about others' experiences (in order to understand why people feel the way they do). History is the best teacher - look at how our society was set up(and for whom), how we got to this point, and what we need to do to move forward.

Years ago, conservative columnist Stanley Crouch pointed out a sad truth...in ANY society, the darker you are, the more hell you'll catch.


Reading his weekly columns in the Village Voice throughout the 80s was a must. Stanley taught us a lot. He didn't sugarcoat.

TRUTH.

I always respected Mr. Crouch for being one of the few black conservatives who had the guts to hammer the GOP for their redneck politics. He had the same disdain for limousine liberals and negative black culture.

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Reply #17 posted 06/01/19 7:06am

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This four-part film is for Korey, Antron, Kevin, Raymond and Yusef. And all the boys and girls across our country, who are guilty to society before they are ever innocent. Thanks to all who’ve tweeted and shared. It shows that you see them.

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benni said:

This four-part film is for Korey, Antron, Kevin, Raymond and Yusef. And all the boys and girls across our country, who are guilty to society before they are ever innocent. Thanks to all who’ve tweeted and shared. It shows that you see them.


Her show that I made a thread about was on network television, The Red Line. It had a main gay character who was one of the fathers (interracial couple) of an adopted child. The other father was killed in a bad police shooting. It was very good.

She is also doing a Prince documentary.

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poppys said:

benni said:

This four-part film is for Korey, Antron, Kevin, Raymond and Yusef. And all the boys and girls across our country, who are guilty to society before they are ever innocent. Thanks to all who’ve tweeted and shared. It shows that you see them.


Her show that I made a thread about was on network television, The Red Line. It had a main gay character who was one of the fathers (interracial couple) of an adopted child. The other father was killed in a bad police shooting. It was very good.

She is also doing a Prince documentary.


I don't have regular television (or cable). Hope it will come out on another platform.

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uPtoWnNY said:

poppys said:


Reading his weekly columns in the Village Voice throughout the 80s was a must. Stanley taught us a lot. He didn't sugarcoat.



TRUTH.

I always respected Mr. Crouch for being one of the few black conservatives who had the guts to hammer the GOP for their redneck politics. He had the same disdain for limousine liberals and negative black culture.


There was a bad police killing of a graffiti artist named Michael Stewart in the First Ave subway station in my neighborhood in 1983. Upset a lot of people including in the art world I was aspiring to. I think the first time I saw Crouch was walking at a demonstration for him. He is imposing and magnetic, often controversial. True voice.

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benni said:

poppys said:


Her show that I made a thread about was on network television, The Red Line. It had a main gay character who was one of the fathers (interracial couple) of an adopted child. The other father was killed in a bad police shooting. It was very good.

She is also doing a Prince documentary.


I don't have regular television (or cable). Hope it will come out on another platform.


I have the old school dinosaur antenna, you can still buy them. There are quite a few channels really. Like PBS, Bounce, Ion and all the retro stuff. A lot of it is crap but I use it for the local network news (we have boil water alerts) and hurricane season. It works pretty well here in the city.

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benni said:

If you truly lived what you are speaking above, you wouldn't start off by claiming racism against whites.


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tumblr_p5t0qdNVeI1sagilgo4_500.gif

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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disbelief

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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poppys said:



uPtoWnNY said:


benni, the best way to explain/deal with issues of race is brutal honesty. You can't dance around it, or look the other way - it has to be met head-on. Racists (like the clown in the WH), have low self-esteem. They want to feel good about themselves, so they'll stereotype and hate on folks who don't look or think like they do. It's easier to be ignorant rather than taking the time to educate oneself, learn about others' experiences (in order to understand why people feel the way they do). History is the best teacher - look at how our society was set up(and for whom), how we got to this point, and what we need to do to move forward.



Years ago, conservative columnist Stanley Crouch pointed out a sad truth...in ANY society, the darker you are, the more hell you'll catch.




Reading his weekly columns in the Village Voice throughout the 80s was a must. Stanley taught us a lot. He didn't sugarcoat.



Stanley Crouch was great. I have several of his books. Even though some labeled him a "conservative ", unlike many he was not afraid to confront and criticize White (and other ) racism against Black people
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benni said:



Pokeno4Money said:




benni said:


What causes someone to be racist? Why are people so quick to want to see a person of color as being bad? She said she's been struggling with that lately because her girlfriend is the sweetest, kindest person she knows, and can't imagine anyone seeing her as anything besides that.

So how do you address racism with a sensitive 15 year old?




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Pokeno, there are people I have hated but I do not mistreat them because of that hatred. I don't think it's about hate.

Your post is extremely racist. When you think that white people have been marginalized, mistreated for being white, profiled for being white, are shot at greater numbers by the police than their black counterparts for committing the same crime -- when, in fact, the opposite is the truth - is racist.

You want to see yourself as the victim. You want to see the white person as the victim of hatred, but you know what? I have NEVER been mistreated by a person of color - but I have been by white people.


https://www.nbcnews.com/n...s-n1006851

True story ---^

He was just picking up trash on his property and had a gun pulled on him by the police. A white person would NEVER have a cop pull a gun on them when they are picking up trash from their own residence.

From the Pew research:



4There has been a steady increase in the share of Americans who view racism as a big problem in the U.S. – especially among African Americans. Since 2009, the first year of Barack Obama’s presidency, the share of those who consider racism a big problem has grown among all racial groups. This is especially true for black Americans. In 2017, about eight-in-ten blacks (81%) said racism is a big problem in society today, up from 44% eight years prior. By comparison, about half of whites (52%) said racism is a big problem in our society, up from 22% in 2009. There were also partisan divides on this question, which have grown from 2015.


5An overwhelming majority of blacks (92%) say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages that blacks do not have. This includes nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) who say whites benefit a great deal. By comparison, 46% of whites say whites benefit at least a fair amount from advantages in society that blacks don’t have, with just 16% saying whites benefit a great deal. As with views on racism in the U.S., there are wide partisan divides on this question. In addition, those who do not think white people benefit from societal advantages are more likely to say they approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance, while those who think whites greatly benefit from these advantages are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of Trump.

And I'm sorry, but I can't take any Rassmussen poll seriously.


After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model.



The response you got was pure absurdity... that Blacks are "the real racists" who have a "victim mentality ". You can't even debate something so ridiculous, but I give you a lot of credit for trying.

Keep in mind that poster once claimed to be Black himself, but later denied saying that. I call him Stephen... Quentin Tarantino fans will understand why... One would need to be a trained psychotherapist to untangle the motivations behind such a belief expressed in his response
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Reply #26 posted 06/01/19 11:31am

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benni said:



2elijah said:


Yes, I posted about it on the other thread by Poppy. I’ll never forget what happened to those young men back then. Trump put a full page ad calling for the death penalty for them, and it turns out they never committed that crime. They were wrongly accused, and the real rapist confessed years later, although I believe he tried to come forward before, but nothing g was ever fine about until years later. A few LE officials got promotions from that case off the backs of innocent young men. I’m glad they were finally freed for a crime they didn’t commit.


What happened the prosecuting attorney? I mean, did she ever get in trouble for trying to hide evidence (the sock)? And the LE that treated those babies so poorly, while they had gotten promotions at the time, were they EVER reprimanded once the truth came out???



I didn’t follow up on that, because at the time the announcement came, that they were freed, I was so happy to hear that news. I just remember how messy the case was. The victim did not identify any of them as the suspects, when she recovered. It was some in law enforcement who tried to persuade her it was them, because they had already made them the suspects and didn’t want to be embarassed that they got it wrong. They simply didn’t care that they were ruining those guys lives.
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benni said:




2elijah said:


Yes, I posted about it on the other thread by Poppy. I’ll never forget what happened to those young men back then. Trump put a full page ad calling for the death penalty for them, and it turns out they never committed that crime. They were wrongly accused, and the real rapist confessed years later, although I believe he tried to come forward before, but nothing g was ever fine about until years later. A few LE officials got promotions from that case off the backs of innocent young men. I’m glad they were finally freed for a crime they didn’t commit.


What happened the prosecuting attorney? I mean, did she ever get in trouble for trying to hide evidence (the sock)? And the LE that treated those babies so poorly, while they had gotten promotions at the time, were they EVER reprimanded once the truth came out???





Did you see the Ken Burns and his daughters documentary on the subject ? Also , ABC's "20/20" had a 2 hour special edition devoted to the case a few weeks ago (you can probably catch it on demand)


I will look for that as well. Thanks.
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Reply #28 posted 06/01/19 12:00pm

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2elijah said:

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What happened the prosecuting attorney? I mean, did she ever get in trouble for trying to hide evidence (the sock)? And the LE that treated those babies so poorly, while they had gotten promotions at the time, were they EVER reprimanded once the truth came out???


I didn’t follow up on that, because at the time the announcement came, that they were freed, I was so happy to hear that news. I just remember how messy the case was. The victim did not identify any of them as the suspects, when she recovered. It was some in law enforcement who tried to persuade her it was them, because they had already made them the suspects and didn’t want to be embarassed that they got it wrong. They simply didn’t care that they were ruining those guys lives.



It's just so sad. Those kids lost a significant portion of their youth behind bars for a crime they did not commit. And no matter whether they did seek a civil suit, they have to live with what being locked up has done to them. I doubt very seriously if they trust anyone very easily any more.

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Reply #29 posted 06/01/19 12:01pm

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jjhunsecker said:

benni said:


What happened the prosecuting attorney? I mean, did she ever get in trouble for trying to hide evidence (the sock)? And the LE that treated those babies so poorly, while they had gotten promotions at the time, were they EVER reprimanded once the truth came out???


Did you see the Ken Burns and his daughters documentary on the subject ? Also , ABC's "20/20" had a 2 hour special edition devoted to the case a few weeks ago (you can probably catch it on demand)



No, I haven't seen either of those. I will definitely look for them!

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