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domainator2010

Over 40% of Americans now call socialism a 'good thing'

I came across this article:

https://www.weforum.org/a...socialism/

I'm curious - how many of you, on this forum, are socialist? And why so?

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Reply #1 posted 05/30/19 10:09am

hausofmoi7

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“I hope we all make it, just hold on”

This is what I think socialism means .
Everyone is born a communist but the reality of the world turns people to Individualism.
I actually don’t blame them.
Socialism requires faith because there is no proof of it on earth.
But I think it’s possible.



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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #2 posted 05/30/19 1:44pm

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There is a lot of label drift.

I have the exact same views that I did 40 years ago when I was eligible to vote. I was a registered independent, then changed to democrat for state voting law reasons. Now I'm called a far left wing radical liberal.

They can call me socialist or anything they want, as long as it gets this country to Universal Healthcare for all - like the rest of the industrialized nations.

[Edited 5/30/19 14:05pm]

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Reply #3 posted 05/30/19 3:26pm

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All fans of professional American football are fans of socialism, although I doubt very many of them realize that.

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Reply #4 posted 05/30/19 6:12pm

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It is a mixed report:

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Yes, it shows a marked increase in people pro-socialism but it also shows an increase in people who are anti socialism (51%). The shrinking group are those in the middle. Looked at this way, it just reflects the increasing polarisation to extremism as a direct result of the actions of the far left and far right. The sane majority must resist the far-ked extremists.

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On the positive side, the report also points to more rational understanding of what socialism means; Fewer people people think socialism means government control over the means of production and the current most popular understanding of socialism is about social equity.

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Socialism is a necessary and vital part of any society that seeks the greater good and moral high ground. A strong focus on social equity for all can see less exploitation, inequity, racism, sexism (against all genders and preferences) and economic and physical violence against people and other life. Unfortunately it is extremely rare to find any self proclaimed "socialist" government that has ever achieved this or even seriously tried.

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Reply #5 posted 05/31/19 5:19am

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poppys said:

There is a lot of label drift.

I have the exact same views that I did 40 years ago when I was eligible to vote. I was a registered independent, then changed to democrat for state voting law reasons. Now I'm called a far left wing radical liberal.

They can call me socialist or anything they want, as long as it gets this country to Universal Healthcare for all - like the rest of the industrialized nations.

[Edited 5/30/19 14:05pm]


I have the same values I did 30-40 years ago. Then some called me a left-wing liberal, now some call me far right. Funny how time shifts things.

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Reply #6 posted 05/31/19 10:19am

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Because you are confused.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #7 posted 05/31/19 10:55am

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I guess they did not pass 6th grade history class...

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #8 posted 05/31/19 11:01am

OnlyNDaUsa

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RodeoSchro said:

All fans of professional American football are fans of socialism, although I doubt very many of them realize that.

that is no true.

it seems to be one of your famous word trick fallacies. Maybe you mean how they get tax money and tax breaks to build their stadium.

Maybe you mean something else... who knows. What is clear is you are almost certainly wrong.

see you can like some aspects of something without liking all of it... that is called being reasonable.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
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that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #9 posted 05/31/19 11:48am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:

All fans of professional American football are fans of socialism, although I doubt very many of them realize that.

that is no true.

it seems to be one of your famous word trick fallacies. Maybe you mean how they get tax money and tax breaks to build their stadium.

Maybe you mean something else... who knows. What is clear is you are almost certainly wrong.

see you can like some aspects of something without liking all of it... that is called being reasonable.




In addition to what you said about the people paying for part or all of a team's facilities, there is also:

In professional football, the worst teams are rewarded with the most valuable draft picks.

In professional football, all teams share equally in television revenues. Green Bay, WI gets the same abount as New York City, NY.

That's sure not capitalism. Unless, I guess, you don't know what capitalism is and think it's that.

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Reply #10 posted 05/31/19 11:51am

OnlyNDaUsa

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

that is no true.

it seems to be one of your famous word trick fallacies. Maybe you mean how they get tax money and tax breaks to build their stadium.

Maybe you mean something else... who knows. What is clear is you are almost certainly wrong.

see you can like some aspects of something without liking all of it... that is called being reasonable.




In addition to what you said about the people paying for part or all of a team's facilities, there is also:

In professional football, the worst teams are rewarded with the most valuable draft picks.

In professional football, all teams share equally in television revenues. Green Bay, WI gets the same abount as New York City, NY.

That's sure not capitalism. Unless, I guess, you don't know what capitalism is and think it's that.

how much of that is their decision and how much is by law? and again one can be a fan of the NFL and not like every aspect of how it is run. As I said you post a false premise based on a fallacy.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #11 posted 05/31/19 12:07pm

RodeoSchro

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:




In addition to what you said about the people paying for part or all of a team's facilities, there is also:

In professional football, the worst teams are rewarded with the most valuable draft picks.

In professional football, all teams share equally in television revenues. Green Bay, WI gets the same abount as New York City, NY.

That's sure not capitalism. Unless, I guess, you don't know what capitalism is and think it's that.

how much of that is their decision and how much is by law? and again one can be a fan of the NFL and not like every aspect of how it is run. As I said you post a false premise based on a fallacy.



Bottom line: Some of the most succesful capitalists in the country chose socialism for the guiding framework of their most successful business.

You can't argue with that.

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Reply #12 posted 05/31/19 12:26pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

how much of that is their decision and how much is by law? and again one can be a fan of the NFL and not like every aspect of how it is run. As I said you post a false premise based on a fallacy.



Bottom line: Some of the most succesful capitalists in the country chose socialism for the guiding framework of their most successful business.

You can't argue with that.

which is vastly different that what you said... and the acpects you are describing as being socialist could apply to just about any company. A pizza shop for example charges the same for each topping even if some topings on any give day may cost more than others.


Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #13 posted 05/31/19 12:27pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



Bottom line: Some of the most succesful capitalists in the country chose socialism for the guiding framework of their most successful business.

You can't argue with that.

which is vastly different that what you said... and the acpects you are describing as being socialist could apply to just about any company. A pizza shop for example charges the same for each topping even if some topings on any give day may cost more than others.





falloff

I'm not sure you got anything right at all in that post.

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Reply #14 posted 05/31/19 1:00pm

poppys

Pizza Socialism Facepalm

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Reply #15 posted 05/31/19 2:51pm

deebee

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Over 90% of Americans think pizza is a good thing.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Reply #16 posted 05/31/19 2:59pm

poppys

deebee said:

Over 90% of Americans think pizza is a good thing.


falloff Weren't we here before with national women's/pizza day deebee? I'm saddened that there is no pizza emoticon for all, the nerve.

[Edited 5/31/19 15:13pm]

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Reply #17 posted 05/31/19 3:24pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Because you are confused.


About?

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Reply #18 posted 06/01/19 7:09am

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They don't mean actual socialism. Socialism is when workers run the means of production. Council Communism is when citizens run the country without a state. AOC and Bernie are New Dealer libs, who use the S word to soften it for future use.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #19 posted 06/01/19 7:32am

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2freaky4church1 said:

They don't mean actual socialism. Socialism is when workers run the means of production. Council Communism is when citizens run the country without a state. AOC and Bernie are New Dealer libs, who use the S word to soften it for future use.

no that is they lie they tell the worker--you want to belive it so you do with no reguard to history.

That would be capitalism. As to the people ruining the country without the state? I am not sure you used the words you meant to use. But that is never going to work for any real length of time.

But socialism will always result in strict controls with a very few making the decisions. Where most people have almost nothing and a tiny number having everything.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #20 posted 06/01/19 7:34am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

They don't mean actual socialism. Socialism is when workers run the means of production. Council Communism is when citizens run the country without a state. AOC and Bernie are New Dealer libs, who use the S word to soften it for future use.

no that is they lie they tell the worker--you want to belive it so you do with no reguard to history.

That would be capitalism. As to the people ruining the country without the state? I am not sure you used the words you meant to use. But that is never going to work for any real length of time.

But socialism will always result in strict controls with a very few making the decisions. Where most people have almost nothing and a tiny number having everything.

that sounds pretty much exactly like america under captilism

Being a real civil rights champion,
Sometimes I have to defend
against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

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Reply #21 posted 06/01/19 7:39am

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Can anybody tell me that Only word salad was? Yow. You know who writes history bud.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #22 posted 06/01/19 7:58am

OnlyNDaUsa

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cborgman said:

that sounds pretty much exactly like america under captilism

lol no. you are confused...as always. We are all better off than many others in the world. I made a topic about how people in developed nations life a life of privlage. People got all mad saying how they had a 'hard life' but they are just (as you are) confused. The fact all of us here live a life of great privlage.

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Reply #23 posted 06/01/19 8:06am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

that sounds pretty much exactly like america under captilism

lol no. you are confused...as always. We are all better off than many others in the world. I made a topic about how people in developed nations life a life of privlage. People got all mad saying how they had a 'hard life' but they are just (as you are) confused. The fact all of us here live a life of great privlage.

youre dodging with a flag wave and patriotic bugle noises.

you said socialism ends in most people having very little, and a small handful having almost everything. we very much live with the same result under capitalism.



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Being a real civil rights champion,
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against die-hard bullshit
and the fakes who propagate it.

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Reply #24 posted 06/01/19 8:19am

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

lol no. you are confused...as always. We are all better off than many others in the world. I made a topic about how people in developed nations life a life of privilege. People got all mad saying how they had a 'hard life' but they are just (as you are) confused. The fact all of us here live a life of great privilege.

youre dodging with a flag wave and patriotic bugle noises.

you said socialism ends in most people having very lttle, and a small hadful having almost everything. we very much live with the same result under capitalism.

except we don't... you are just jealous that others have better stuff than you do. you see them and what they have and that makes you FEEL discontent. you are not satisfied with what you have vs what others have and you blame that on capitalism. But under socialism no one has it better...well no one you see... so you FEEL like you have everything... there is no "want for more" as there is no perceived more to want.


Side not to Cborgman: hey go https://prince.org/msg/3/459395 and post support fot adding support for browser exertions like Grammarly... it is so much better than the org spell check!

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Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
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Reply #25 posted 06/01/19 8:23am

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NFL is communism not socialism.

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #26 posted 06/01/19 8:27am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

youre dodging with a flag wave and patriotic bugle noises.

you said socialism ends in most people having very lttle, and a small hadful having almost everything. we very much live with the same result under capitalism.

except we don't... you are just jealous that others have better stuff than you do. you see them and what they have and that makes you FEEL discontent. you are not satisfied with what you have vs what others have and you blame that on capitalism. But under socialism no one has it better...well no one you see... so you FEEL like you have everything... there is no "want for more" as there is no perceived more to want.


Side not to Cborgman: hey go https://prince.org/msg/3/459395 and post support fot adding support for browser exertions like Grammarly... it is so much better than the org spell check!

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so you think that the fact that the 1% of the worlds wealthiest control more than 50% is... what? not true? a result of socialism? jealousy?

again... i point out you said socialism ends with a small handful controlling most of the wealth. i am pointing out so does capitalism.

side note response: no.


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Reply #27 posted 06/01/19 9:26am

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

except we don't... you are just jealous that others have better stuff than you do. you see them and what they have and that makes you FEEL discontent. you are not satisfied with what you have vs what others have and you blame that on capitalism. But under socialism no one has it better...well no one you see... so you FEEL like you have everything... there is no "want for more" as there is no perceived more to want.


Side not to Cborgman: hey go https://prince.org/msg/3/459395 and post support fot adding support for browser exertions like Grammarly... it is so much better than the org spell check!

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so you think that the fact that the 1% of the worlds wealthiest control more than 50% is... what? not true? a result of socialism? jealousy?

again... i point out you said socialism ends with a small handful controlling most of the wealth. i am pointing out so does capitalism.

side note response: no.


1) i never said it was not true... wow... did you really get that out of what I said? Weird...but not judging... well maybe a little.

2) oh when I said under socilism a small amoubt have everything i mean a much smaller number... far less that 1%....

3) you need a good spell checker...


Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:

NFL is communism not socialism.

what is pizza hut?

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
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Reply #29 posted 06/01/19 9:51am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:


1) i never said it was not true... wow... did you really get that out of what I said? Weird...but not judging... well maybe a little.

god, your memory is terrible. from your last post:

Me: we very much live with the same result under capitalism.

You: except we don't


2) oh when I said under socilism a small amoubt have everything i mean a much smaller number... far less that 1%....

rolleyes

youre tap dancing. or rather, you'e continuing to tap-dance.

you said under socialism, a small group ends up with all the wealth. i pointed out that the same is true of capitalism.

instead of being contrary and bitter i pointed out your flawed statement, just accept the humor and move on.


3) you need a good spell checker...

browser extensions cause bugs. the org is already riddled with bugs. the last thing we need is more bugs because youre too lazy to use the spell checker we already have.

additionally, if you see a lot of spelling mistakes in my post, it almost always means i am typing from my phone instead of my computer.


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