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Reply #660 posted 06/12/19 4:39pm

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Exceptional circumstances do happen but in the majority of the cases, the men and women of the western world DO have a choice not to conceive if they do not want to.

Rights and responsibilities start long before two people decide to have an intercourse.

Reproductive rights are precisely called this way to hide the shameful truth because no one would want to admit that a right to an abortion is none but a right to irresponsible actions.

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Reply #661 posted 06/12/19 4:40pm

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What if you are not a Christian woman (Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, etc) and do not subscribe to what's written in the bible you quoted. Should she have the right to choose ? Right now the law says she does. Again, if your religion dictates not to have an abortion and you feel that is is wrong - do not have one. Let everyone else who does not believe what you do reserve the right to choose.





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Exactly. Thank you!

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Reply #662 posted 06/12/19 4:46pm

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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:




What if you are not a Christian woman (Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, etc) and do not subscribe to what's written in the bible you quoted. Should she have the right to choose ? Right now the law says she does. Again, if your religion dictates not to have an abortion and you feel that is is wrong - do not have one. Let everyone else who does not believe what you do reserve the right to choose.





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Exactly. Thank you!

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It's all about the right to choose - period.

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Reply #663 posted 06/12/19 4:46pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

Exceptional circumstances do happen but in the majority of the cases, the men and women of the western world DO have a choice not to conceive if they do not want to.

Rights and responsibilities start long before two people decide to have an intercourse.

Reproductive rights are precisely called this way to hide the shameful truth because no one would want to admit that a right to an abortion is none but a right to irresponsible actions.

That's not really true. Rape is forced on a woman and if she gets pregnant by said rape, she is being forced to carry a baby, thru NO irresponsible actions of her own. Same with incest.


Women should have the right to choose what they do with their own body, no matter if they were irresponsible or not.


Just like a tatt, one drunken night and you could come home with ink on your body, but it's your choice to keep that tatt or try to have it removed.


I'm not saying abortion is right or is wrong. I'm saying that the choice shouldn't be taken away. What anyone does with their body is not my business, what I do with MY body is nobody's business.

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Reply #664 posted 06/12/19 4:57pm

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^I was not talking about these exceptional circumstance Penny, please re-read my post.

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Reply #665 posted 06/12/19 5:00pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

The Pro Life movement *is* religious based.

again no more than not killing or not stealing... but even stealing is oaky in some cities you know "if you need it"

The fact that the Bible is at the origin of the law has never bothered anyone before, why should it now? Perhaps because some people cannot face their own immorality and hope that by deflecting the law, or making their ways 'lawful' they won't have to face their own conscience...

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Reply #666 posted 06/12/19 5:01pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

Exceptional circumstances do happen but in the majority of the cases, the men and women of the western world DO have a choice not to conceive if they do not want to.

Rights and responsibilities start long before two people decide to have an intercourse.

Reproductive rights are precisely called this way to hide the shameful truth because no one would want to admit that a right to an abortion is none but a right to irresponsible actions.


That's not really true. Rape is forced on a woman and if she gets pregnant by said rape, she is being forced to carry a baby, thru NO irresponsible actions of her own. Same with incest.


Women should have the right to choose what they do with their own body, no matter if they were irresponsible or not.


Just like a tatt, one drunken night and you could come home with ink on your body, but it's your choice to keep that tatt or try to have it removed.


I'm not saying abortion is right or is wrong. I'm saying that the choice shouldn't be taken away. What anyone does with their body is not my business, what I do with MY body is nobody's business.


Exactly. We are being served another round of prevention shaming here.

A woman or couple who don't want to have a child have rights. Some people do not want children for all kinds of good reasons. Individuals make their own decisions. Religion is not a factor. Don't have one if you don't want one.

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Reply #667 posted 06/12/19 5:13pm

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^So if poor people do not want to be poor, do they have a choice too Poppys? Can they go ahead and steal from others? Does that make it ok if it is their 'own decision'?


Abortion is far worse than stealing though.


An abortion is stealing a life from a defenceless being then throwing it away in the bin.

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Reply #668 posted 06/12/19 5:16pm

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Interestingly, Poppys' last post is #666

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Reply #669 posted 06/12/19 5:19pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

benni said:



Killing a baby "yes", but aborting an embryo is not.

No one is advocating killing a "baby". Where the discussion breaks down for Pro Life and Pro Choice people is when "life" truly begins.


It is always interesting to me, however, the religious movement against abortion, because in the very beginning, when God created Adam, he did not create him and then say, "This is life." It was not until he breathed into Adam, (breath) that Adam was considered a living soul. Prior to that breath, he was not a living soul.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Prior to that breath, Adam was only a possibility.


Perhaps it is time you read your Bible a little closer Benni.

Thus says the LORD who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you, 'Do not fear, O Jacob My servant; And you Jeshurun whom I have chosen.


Because he did not kill me before birth, So that my mother would have been my grave, And her womb ever pregnant.


For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb.

Just as you do not know the path of the wind and how bones are formed in the womb of the pregnant woman, so you do not know the activity of God who makes all things.

'I should have been as though I had not been, Carried from womb to tomb.'

"If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide.

Psalm 139:13-16

For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;


Isaiah 49:1

Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me.


Jeremiah 1:5

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."


Luke 1:41

When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.



Thus says the LORD who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you, 'Do not fear, O Jacob My servant; And you Jeshurun whom I have chosen.

This is not saying that what is formed in the womb is a "living soul". Of course he was formed in the womb, as are we all.



Because he did not kill me before birth, So that my mother would have been my grave, And her womb ever pregnant.


Jeremiah 20:14-16

14 Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.

15 Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad.

16 And let that man be as the cities which the Lord overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide;


Jeremiah is lamenting being born. And does not consider birth a blessing. Notice that he is saying saying that he was cursed from birth, not conception.


For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb.

Again, yes, we are formed in the mother's womb. This does not state that we become a living soul at the time of conception, but rather it acknowledges that we come from the womb.



Just as you do not know the path of the wind and how bones are formed in the womb of the pregnant woman, so you do not know the activity of God who makes all things.

Again, yes our bones are formed within the womb. Notice that he does not state that life is formed in the womb, but bones.


'I should have been as though I had not been, Carried from womb to tomb.'

This one states, "I should have been as though I had not been, carried from womb to tomb." I should have been as though I had not been. This one actually supports what I've stated. Life begins at first breath according to Genesis when he created man.


"If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide."

This is very obviously talking about late pregnancy "yet there is no injury" and "gives birth prematurely". Again, this does not say that life beings at conception.

You are posting quotes that discuss being pregnant, that discusses forming in the womb. Yes, that happens. We are all formed in the womb. This does not indicate that we are a living soul in the womb.


Psalm 139:13-16

"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth"


Again, formed in the womb. "My frame was not hidden from You". Frame defined: a person's body with reference to its size or build. Nothing about being a living soul.

Isaiah 49:1

Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me.

"Called me from the womb" - to be born. "From the body of My mother" - to be born. Notice he does not state "He called me while I was in the womb, while I was first formed".

Jeremiah 1:5

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."


You may have an argument with this one. But I read this more as predetermined. That he was born to be a prophet, and was set apart for that purpose. I do not read this as that while he was in the womb, he was a living soul, but rather that with his birth, he would be set apart to be a prophet. Even further in Jeremiah he laments that he is "only a child" and cannot speak.


6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.

7 But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the Lord.

9 Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.

10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.


If, as we have been discussing, he were a living soul in the womb, and God called him to be a prophet and sanctified, would have not done set him over the nations and kingdoms prior to his birth?


Luke 1:41

When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

Elizabeth was 6 months along when Mary visited her. Yes, babies move in the womb at 6 months. Again, this is not talking about an embryo. Stating that there is movement (leaped in her womb) does not preclude that a birth will take place. I was 36 weeks when my daughter was stillborn. Brianna moved at 24 weeks. She moved at 30 weeks. Brianna moved at 34 weeks. When she was born still, there was no breath, no life. In the Bible verses you quoted above, with the exception of Jeremiah 1:5, you are talking about conception, the division of cells into their subsequent parts, but nothing that indicates a "living soul within the womb". The majority of the verses are talking about being born - (taking that first breath), or later in pregnancy (such as Jeremiah 1:5).

There is nothing to indicate a living soul prior to birth. The Bible stated, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground" - this is talking about the creation of the man, forming man from the dust, but notice that the Bible does not state man is alive UNTIL "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Notice that the Bible equated breath with life. "breath of life". If creation, conception, was a living soul, why would God need to breath into Adam's nostrils the breath of life?


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Reply #670 posted 06/12/19 5:27pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

Interestingly, Poppys' last post is #666


That is an insane comment. Maybe start a devil thread.

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Reply #671 posted 06/12/19 5:36pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

The fact that the Bible is at the origin of the law has never bothered anyone before, why should it now? Perhaps because some people cannot face their own immorality and hope that by deflecting the law, or making their ways 'lawful' they won't have to face their own conscience...

It's already law and it's called Roe V Wade, and it's still the law of the land.

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Reply #672 posted 06/12/19 5:36pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

^So if poor people do not want to be poor, do they have a choice too Poppys? Can they go ahead and steal from others? Does that make it ok if it is their 'own decision'?


Abortion is far worse than stealing though.


An abortion is stealing a life from a defenceless being then throwing it away in the bin.



The poor people analogy is too flawed to even argue so I will not waste my time.

If you feel abortion is wrong - then do not have one. Why is it you think you have the right to force your beliefs and your personal choices about what you deem right or wrong on another person?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #673 posted 06/12/19 5:38pm

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PennyPurple said:

CherryMoon57 said:

The fact that the Bible is at the origin of the law has never bothered anyone before, why should it now? Perhaps because some people cannot face their own immorality and hope that by deflecting the law, or making their ways 'lawful' they won't have to face their own conscience...

It's already law and it's called Roe V Wade, and it's still the law of the land.

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Reply #674 posted 06/12/19 5:40pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

^So if poor people do not want to be poor, do they have a choice too Poppys? Can they go ahead and steal from others? Does that make it ok if it is their 'own decision'?


Abortion is far worse than stealing though.


An abortion is stealing a life from a defenceless being then throwing it away in the bin.

But it is not your choice what other people want to do with their body.


If you don't want to have an abortion don't get one. Simple.

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Reply #675 posted 06/12/19 5:40pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

Exceptional circumstances do happen but in the majority of the cases, the men and women of the western world DO have a choice not to conceive if they do not want to.

Rights and responsibilities start long before two people decide to have an intercourse.

Reproductive rights are precisely called this way to hide the shameful truth because no one would want to admit that a right to an abortion is none but a right to irresponsible actions.


Condoms break. Birth control pills are not always feasible for all women (I cannot take them because they could kill me). Other forms of birth control are not 100%. So these men and women may be taking precautions to NOT get pregnant, but due to unforeseen circumstances they do.

To then paint with the broad brush and say it is due to their "irresponsible actions" is very judgmental.

I had a sister-in-law who got pregnant with an IUD implanted and for whatever reason, she did not lose the baby and elected to go ahead and have her. But she debated it because "We really couldn't afford another child, that's why I was using the IUD." Was that her "irresponsible behavior"?

Her daughter (the one that was conceived with the IUD) became pregnant as a teenager. She was still a virgin when her baby was being born. She and her fiance were "messing around" but there was no intercourse involved. They decided that they did not want to have intercourse until they were married, but you know, they messed around. The doctors actually had to break her hymen in order for her baby to be born. They were trying to be responsible, but would you say her pregnancy was due to her "irresponsible behavior"?

Conceiving is not always a choice. Things happen.

Having said that, I taught my oldest son, when he was young, to always carry protection with him. I told him that with STDs out there, HIV/AIDS, I did not want him coming home and telling me he was dying from AIDS. (This was back when AIDS was still untreatable.) I also told him I did not want him coming home as a teenager and telling me he was going to be a father. I taught him to be responsible, because I told him that he cannot place the responsibility for birth control strictly on the woman. Because, like me, not all women can safely use any products with hormones. So, yes, we have a responsibility to engage in safe practices, but realistically, in the heat of the moment, people aren't thinking of safety. We are creatures whose bodies were made to respond to touch, both negative and positive touch, and we do not always think clearly. We are, as they say, only human, and we make mistakes. We are not born to be perfect from the womb. And when we are teenagers, we make a lot of mistakes, because that is how we learn and grow. But the Divine calls on us to NOT judge others, lest we be judged. And to blame all abortions (except those exceptional circumstances) on "irresponsible behavior" is juding others that you don't know.

If I had elected to get an abortion when the doctors recommended it, because of the threat to my life, you would not know to look at me that I have a health condition, that being pregnant is that much of a risk to me, and you would have painted me with that same broad brush that you paint others, UNLESS I shared with you my health issues.

Now, let's also add into this the fact that I was abused as a child. Going to the doctor during pregnancy, and having to undergo the types of things doctors do to women early in the pregnancy did act as a trigger for me, and was very difficult for me to go through. My PTSD was in hyper drive during those early months, because it seemed almost a violation of my body. But you would not know that, if I did not share it with you, and if I decided to get an abortion because the PTSD and the fear and trauma was too much for me to deal to with, you would have put it down to my "irresponsible behavior" (again, you would not know that I cannot take anything with hormones).

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Reply #676 posted 06/12/19 5:44pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

CherryMoon57 said:

^So if poor people do not want to be poor, do they have a choice too Poppys? Can they go ahead and steal from others? Does that make it ok if it is their 'own decision'?


Abortion is far worse than stealing though.


An abortion is stealing a life from a defenceless being then throwing it away in the bin.



The poor people analogy is too flawed to even argue so I will not waste my time.

If you feel abortion is wrong - then do not have one. Why is it you think you have the right to force your beliefs and your personal choices about what you deem right or wrong on another person?


And this is it in a nutshell. If you do not believe in abortion, if you believe they are wrong or immoral, then do not get one. It is YOUR choice. But you do NOT have the right to choose for me or any other woman. If you believe it comes down to religion, then do you not think that it is between that woman and her God? She will be judged come judgment day, correct? So who are you to judge her now and make her conform to your beliefs?

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Reply #677 posted 06/12/19 6:24pm

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PennyPurple said:

CherryMoon57 said:

^So if poor people do not want to be poor, do they have a choice too Poppys? Can they go ahead and steal from others? Does that make it ok if it is their 'own decision'?


Abortion is far worse than stealing though.


An abortion is stealing a life from a defenceless being then throwing it away in the bin.

But it is not your choice what other people want to do with their body.


If you don't want to have an abortion don't get one. Simple.

same with currently legal guns?

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
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that which I find distasteful.
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same with currently legal guns?

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poppys said:

same with currently legal guns?

troll

Let them start passing laws to take their guns away and let's see what happens.

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Reply #680 posted 06/12/19 10:26pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

Exceptional circumstances do happen but in the majority of the cases, the men and women of the western world DO have a choice not to conceive if they do not want to.

Rights and responsibilities start long before two people decide to have an intercourse.

Reproductive rights are precisely called this way to hide the shameful truth because no one would want to admit that a right to an abortion is none but a right to irresponsible actions.


I'm not gonna lie, your thoughts on this issue scare me. Work in a jail for a bit, you'll soon see the consequences of irresponsible parenting. Might just open your eyes a tad.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:


nod Abortion stats were down in this country when they started all the repeal actions.

We need access to Healthcare for all. If "pro lifers" are so worried about life, why don't they care about the already living??? They support a pecking order where people at the bottom of the financial ladder are punished. Doing the hardest jobs.

no one is opposed to healthcare... the pecking order thing is just silly. Yes people with more money have access to better goods and services... yes a millionaires like Alex Trebek and Jimmy Kimmel have better doctors. And that is a VERY GOOD thing! We should all be happy for that.

and remember many pro-lifers are not opposed to a woman's choice... many pro-lifers do not want to control any person's body... that's a lie made up that gets repeated so often people just accept it...

What on earth?? That is the definition of pro-life.

Can you explain this position?



CherryMoon57 said:

Exceptional circumstances do happen but in the majority of the cases, the men and women of the western world DO have a choice not to conceive if they do not want to.

Rights and responsibilities start long before two people decide to have an intercourse.

Reproductive rights are precisely called this way to hide the shameful truth because no one would want to admit that a right to an abortion is none but a right to irresponsible actions.

Get a grip, people have been having sex and procuring abortions since the year dot, you're not going to shame people into stopping. Abstinence only education leads to higher teenage pregnancies.





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maplenpg said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Exceptional circumstances do happen but in the majority of the cases, the men and women of the western world DO have a choice not to conceive if they do not want to.

Rights and responsibilities start long before two people decide to have an intercourse.

Reproductive rights are precisely called this way to hide the shameful truth because no one would want to admit that a right to an abortion is none but a right to irresponsible actions.


I'm not gonna lie, your thoughts on this issue scare me. Work in a jail for a bit, you'll soon see the consequences of irresponsible parenting. Might just open your eyes a tad.
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And I ask this question all the time (but usually no one is brave enough to answer), and that is : if you consider people "irresponsible " for not using proper birth control, why do you then assume that they are "responsible " enough to properly raise a child ?

And as for what you said about prison, I would guess the amount of them that were unwanted children is close to 100%
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Reply #683 posted 06/13/19 6:32am

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As an adult, I would get an abortion if I needed one. I get to decide if I need one. Children should not be forced to carry a child conceived by rape and or incest.

Cherry started an anti-abortion thread using an uninformed youtube video and Clarence Thomas of all people. It did not fly, so now after 20+ pages they are over here dragging the bible and morality shaming along with them. They have a graphic anti-abortion thread from months ago as well. Fine. That's their opinion.

Yesterday Cherry pointed out that one of my posts has the number 666. Every thread has one if it gets this long. Did anyone else notice that or think it is batshit crazy?

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maplenpg said:
I'm not gonna lie, your thoughts on this issue scare me. Work in a jail for a bit, you'll soon see the consequences of irresponsible parenting. Might just open your eyes a tad. [Edited 6/13/19 3:11am]
And I ask this question all the time (but usually no one is brave enough to answer), and that is : if you consider people "irresponsible " for not using proper birth control, why do you then assume that they are "responsible " enough to properly raise a child ? And as for what you said about prison, I would guess the amount of them that were unwanted children is close to 100%

The number of care leavers in adult prison (people that were in either children's homes, or foster care, or both as kids) is around 25% of the total prison population (all figures are for the UK). When you consider that less than 1% of all kids born fall into the care leaver category it is quite damning. Of course not all unwanted kids end up in care, I've seen a number of parents arrested for trying to smuggle drugs etc... into prison for their kids, I've seen parents who are addicts themselves, parents who have been in prison multiple times themselves, abusive parents, and possibly worst of all parents that completely disown their kids without taking a look at how their own actions may have contributed to the downfall their child. I've seen kids who have murdered their fathers because they beat their mothers so badly...I could go on and on and on.

I think 100% is probably a bit harsh, but there is no question that the way the child is (or is not) raised is often a major contribution to how the prisoner ended up there. Even if the child is loved, sometimes the parents just have no authority and therefore the child learns no boundaries. Or there is no money (poverty is another factor). As I also know you've said many times, those who wish to prevent abortions seem to have no care for what happens to that child once it is born, and the thousands of kids who have the odds stacked against them from the moment they take their first breath.

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Reply #685 posted 06/13/19 2:12pm

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poppys said:

As an adult, I would get an abortion if I needed one. I get to decide if I need one. Children should not be forced to carry a child conceived by rape and or incest.

Cherry started an anti-abortion thread using an uninformed youtube video and Clarence Thomas of all people. It did not fly, so now after 20+ pages they are over here dragging the bible and morality shaming along with them. They have a graphic anti-abortion thread from months ago as well. Fine. That's their opinion.

Yesterday Cherry pointed out that one of my posts has the number 666. Every thread has one if it gets this long. Did anyone else notice that or think it is batshit crazy?

No one noticed but Cherry, who is clearly into "signs" - and yes, it's batshit crazy. nuts









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Reply #686 posted 06/13/19 2:41pm

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Abortion is one of those things I don't understand why it still gets so much airtime. Roe v Wade happened, these folks trying to make it illegal or hard to get need to hold that L and move on. They could be spending time coming up with policy that helps/improves the lives of their constituents, but instead they're wasting their time on stuff that's already been decided.

Besides, bringing a kid you don't want or can't take care of financially/emotionally into the world is more cruel than aborting them imo, because it's potentially setting them up for a lifetime of adversity and hardship.

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Reply #687 posted 06/13/19 3:29pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

Abortion is one of those things I don't understand why it still gets so much airtime. Roe v Wade happened, these folks trying to make it illegal or hard to get need to hold that L and move on. They could be spending time coming up with policy that helps/improves the lives of their constituents, but instead they're wasting their time on stuff that's already been decided.

Besides, bringing a kid you don't want or can't take care of financially/emotionally into the world is more cruel than aborting them imo, because it's potentially setting them up for a lifetime of adversity and hardship.

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TRUTH, especially the last part. What are the pro-life folks doing for the unwanted kids already here?

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Reply #688 posted 06/13/19 4:04pm

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uPtoWnNY said:


TRUTH, especially the last part. What are the pro-life folks doing for the unwanted kids already here?

They don't care. These kids are going to go into a foster environment and have tons of trouble, and my even be sexually abused in these homes.

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Reply #689 posted 06/13/19 4:08pm

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Sure, the world ain't perfect, but killing the unborn children isn't the solution either. Deeper solutions should be sought not superficial quick fixes. That's like making it legal to exterminate anyone who - based on their circumstances - would be deemed to not have any prospects of a great future.

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