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Reply #240 posted 05/16/19 9:59pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

now lets say there are 10Million gun crimes in the US... (that is criminal act in which a gun is used)... still 0.03%

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All you are doing is comparing pointless statistics to hide the fact that, based on your guess on the number of gun crimes PA in the US, that on average every person in the USA perpetrates or is the victim of 5 gun crimes in their lifetime.

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This should be shocking and never should be answered by let's just broadly maintain the status quo because gun rights are more important than people.

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Your list is based on (1) Don't change anything. (2) Whatever one party wants is always bad. (3) Whatever the other party introduces is retconned to being what you always argued for (but never really did)

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Reply #241 posted 05/17/19 4:01am

OnlyNDaUsa

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

...and i know you like pull shit out of your ass, but your ass is not a source. lol [Edited 5/16/19 18:25pm]

so you think there are more than 10Million gun crimes per year in the US?

the 300 million guns in the US us pretty well known...

the rest us math....


I know, I know you want it to be higher....

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Reply #242 posted 05/17/19 4:07am

OnlyNDaUsa

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

But you wat gun rights to be restricted and regulated more than they are now... and I have listed more regulations and restrictions gun rights... so your comparison holds no water.

Are you already starting to scream about the thoughts of gun rights being taken away? lol Don't like it, huh?

why make up stuff? I have said I am willing to accept more regulations: all sales at gun stores required background check and some statutory limit on the number of private sales before background checks are required. (I have worked for a non-profit that often auctions or raffles guns and they always use a local gun dealer to do the transfers.)


but the fact is you have been asked many times what features would you want to see banned and so far I have not seen you name any... Now you need not be an expert on guns but at least be able to say something... even if it is silly like the clinton bans...

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Reply #243 posted 05/17/19 4:12am

OnlyNDaUsa

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

now lets say there are 10Million gun crimes in the US... (that is criminal act in which a gun is used)... still 0.03%

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All you are doing is comparing pointless statistics to hide the fact that, based on your guess on the number of gun crimes PA in the US, that on average every person in the USA perpetrates or is the victim of 5 gun crimes in their lifetime.

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This should be shocking and never should be answered by let's just broadly maintain the status quo because gun rights are more important than people.

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Your list is based on (1) Don't change anything. (2) Whatever one party wants is always bad. (3) Whatever the other party introduces is retconned to being what you always argued for (but never really did)

1) I only used the facts to counter the lie that guns are as dangroys as some want them to be. That it is only a few that misuse them (and odd how the true stats on who thoes are is never spoken us vey telling)


2) I am sorry if you do not undetstand the laeger picture.

3) amazing every word you just said is wrong

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #244 posted 05/17/19 4:45am

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To paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "The Departed " - What difference does "statistics " make when someone is holding a loaded gun to your head ?
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Reply #245 posted 05/17/19 5:26am

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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All you are doing is comparing pointless statistics to hide the fact that, based on your guess on the number of gun crimes PA in the US, that on average every person in the USA perpetrates or is the victim of 5 gun crimes in their lifetime.

.

This should be shocking and never should be answered by let's just broadly maintain the status quo because gun rights are more important than people.

.

Your list is based on (1) Don't change anything. (2) Whatever one party wants is always bad. (3) Whatever the other party introduces is retconned to being what you always argued for (but never really did)

1) I only used the facts to counter the lie that guns are as dangroys as some want them to be. That it is only a few that misuse them (and odd how the true stats on who thoes are is never spoken us vey telling)


2) I am sorry if you do not undetstand the laeger picture.

3) amazing every word you just said is wrong

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(1) In doing so you want people to believe that 10 million gun crimes per year is nothing to be concerned about - you proved the criminal use of guns IS a very serious issue.

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(2) I understand your larger issue - What you dismiss as the cost of freedom to protect a right is to any sane person intolerable.

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(3) Prove it - Name one major restriction you would introduce that is not in US gun control law. Name one policy promoted by the Democrats and rejected by the Republicans that you support. On the third point - no one believes you about bump stocks because we read what you said about them right up until Trump told you what to think.

[Edited 5/17/19 5:34am]

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Reply #246 posted 05/17/19 6:03am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


...and i know you like pull shit out of your ass, but your ass is not a source. lol [Edited 5/16/19 18:25pm]




so you think there are more than 10Million gun crimes per year in the US?

the 300 million guns in the US us pretty well known...

the rest us math....


I know, I know you want it to be higher....



Please. You hypocritically asked someone a few posts above to post a source. Now you’re trying to wiggle your way out moving goal posts and as usual taking a thread to its wildest edges to distract from the threads focus on the NRA.
If you’re going to post bananas numbers and percentages please post sources.
Persistent Turd is the shit.
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Reply #247 posted 05/17/19 7:03am

PennyPurple

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Are you already starting to scream about the thoughts of gun rights being taken away? lol Don't like it, huh?

why make up stuff? I have said I am willing to accept more regulations: all sales at gun stores required background check and some statutory limit on the number of private sales before background checks are required. (I have worked for a non-profit that often auctions or raffles guns and they always use a local gun dealer to do the transfers.)


but the fact is you have been asked many times what features would you want to see banned and so far I have not seen you name any... Now you need not be an expert on guns but at least be able to say something... even if it is silly like the clinton bans...

lol Are you serious? I've given you a list of at least 10 items that I would like to see happen........and you replied to that list..... eek

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Reply #248 posted 05/17/19 11:02am

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We have far more gun crimes than anyone else. Get with it.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #249 posted 05/17/19 3:54pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you think there are more than 10Million gun crimes per year in the US?

the 300 million guns in the US us pretty well known...

the rest us math....


I know, I know you want it to be higher....

Please. You hypocritically asked someone a few posts above to post a source. Now you’re trying to wiggle your way out moving goal posts and as usual taking a thread to its wildest edges to distract from the threads focus on the NRA. If you’re going to post bananas numbers and percentages please post sources.

ok what do you want a source for?

over 300 Million guns

https://www.washingtonpos...ownership/


About 10K gun murders and I assumed 10,000 times more other crimes where a gun was used in the commission of a crime other than an illegal possession* (*which helps the gun grabbers as it means more acts of violence per illegal use)


the rest us math.

And no one is obligated to provide a source at my request and YES I often refuse to give one.



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Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
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Reply #250 posted 05/17/19 3:59pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

why make up stuff? I have said I am willing to accept more regulations: all sales at gun stores required background check and some statutory limit on the number of private sales before background checks are required. (I have worked for a non-profit that often auctions or raffles guns and they always use a local gun dealer to do the transfers.)


but the fact is you have been asked many times what features would you want to see banned and so far I have not seen you name any... Now you need not be an expert on guns but at least be able to say something... even if it is silly like the clinton bans...

lol Are you serious? I've given you a list of at least 10 items that I would like to see happen........and you replied to that list..... eek

please see the highlighted part and then show me where you listed any features of a firearm you want banned... (and your list was closer to 5 things as several of them were just the same talking point said a slightly different way)

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
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Reply #251 posted 05/17/19 4:02pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not believe i whined about it... I think I said they might be banned and it is hard to ban the ones that are already owned... and yes I may have said they are easy to make... but those are facts not opinion.

So I am going to have to ask you to back it up or apologize...

and what happened to " no more attention will be paid no matter what you post. Bye-ee." are not not a wo... person of your word?

Well you do have a point in that there are a lot of old weapons in circulation and many more weapons that will be created out of thin air as technological advancements keep ahead of laws and lawmakers. But this is all the more reason to tackle the problems facing a free SOCIETY, not throw your hands in the air. It’s a difficult task and a good reason for having a better advocacy group that is in it for both gun ownership and public safety. Instead of just being a political agency to thwart responsible gun policy. I capitalized SOCIETY because isn’t that what we all want regardless of our political views? A better and safer society? [Edited 5/13/19 16:43pm]

hell YES! Like metal 3D printers that used to cost over a million are now about $100K... soon we will be able to 3D print guns!

Oh and ghost guns! you can buy an upper and an 80% lower and have the lower made to function and there is NO record!

and truth be told that makes me a liitle uneasy but I have and I share the 3D printer plans often!

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
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Reply #252 posted 05/17/19 4:09pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

1) I only used the facts to counter the lie that guns are as dangroys as some want them to be. That it is only a few that misuse them (and odd how the true stats on who thoes are is never spoken us vey telling)


2) I am sorry if you do not undetstand the laeger picture.

3) amazing every word you just said is wrong

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(1) In doing so you want people to believe that 10 million gun crimes per year is nothing to be concerned about - you proved the criminal use of guns IS a very serious issue.

.

(2) I understand your larger issue - What you dismiss as the cost of freedom to protect a right is to any sane person intolerable.

.

(3) Prove it - Name one major restriction you would introduce that is not in US gun control law. Name one policy promoted by the Democrats and rejected by the Republicans that you support. On the third point - no one believes you about bump stocks because we read what you said about them right up until Trump told you what to think.

[Edited 5/17/19 5:34am]

1) not what I said at all


2) I do not dismiss it but YES freedom is more important that how you feel and YES it is more important that the lives lost by wrong doers.... BY A 1000 times at least!

3) Requiring background checks for all sales at gun shows and putting a cap on private sales before requiring a check. I am not sure I know of any... seems like a silly standard... But I did say I was okay with clinton's bans as they were mostly cosmetic...even if some make them less safe....

And on Bump stocks... that is not even true I have the same opinion i did before las vegas and all I said was it would be difficult to enforce and that retroactive bans are tricky. but i never once said I was opposed to them... so you just made that up or something.

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #253 posted 05/17/19 4:21pm

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FUCK THE NRA - I hope it goes bankrupt!

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #254 posted 05/17/19 4:31pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

FUCK THE NRA - I hope it goes bankrupt!

same with NOW and Rainbow/PUSH!

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Reply #255 posted 05/17/19 4:36pm

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FUCK THE NRA.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #256 posted 05/17/19 5:09pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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(1) In doing so you want people to believe that 10 million gun crimes per year is nothing to be concerned about - you proved the criminal use of guns IS a very serious issue.

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(2) I understand your larger issue - What you dismiss as the cost of freedom to protect a right is to any sane person intolerable.

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(3) Prove it - Name one major restriction you would introduce that is not in US gun control law. Name one policy promoted by the Democrats and rejected by the Republicans that you support. On the third point - no one believes you about bump stocks because we read what you said about them right up until Trump told you what to think.

[Edited 5/17/19 5:34am]

1) not what I said at all


2) I do not dismiss it but YES freedom is more important that how you feel and YES it is more important that the lives lost by wrong doers.... BY A 1000 times at least!

3) Requiring background checks for all sales at gun shows and putting a cap on private sales before requiring a check. I am not sure I know of any... seems like a silly standard... But I did say I was okay with clinton's bans as they were mostly cosmetic...even if some make them less safe....

And on Bump stocks... that is not even true I have the same opinion i did before las vegas and all I said was it would be difficult to enforce and that retroactive bans are tricky. but i never once said I was opposed to them... so you just made that up or something.

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1) It is the implication of what you said with your miss use of statistics.

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2) You cannot even stop dismissing it more than 5 words. The majority of people killed by guns are friends, family, loved ones of the killer or the killer themselves. You dismiss all these every time you put guns before people. You are the wrong doer every time you do it.

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3) Minor tweaks to background checks is not a major change at all. You minor tweaks will not mean the US kill rate will fall to that of equivalent nations.

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Of course you don't know of any Democrat policy that the Repblicans reject that you support. The reason for the question is you said "amazing every word you just said is wrong". You have confirmed what I said is correct. Thank you.

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Your ability to retcon is legendary.

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Reply #257 posted 05/17/19 5:57pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

lol Are you serious? I've given you a list of at least 10 items that I would like to see happen........and you replied to that list..... eek

please see the highlighted part and then show me where you listed any features of a firearm you want banned... (and your list was closer to 5 things as several of them were just the same talking point said a slightly different way)

Who says I want them banned? I want them heavily regulated.

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Reply #258 posted 05/17/19 6:02pm

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A 3 year old child died today in KC. He accidently shot himself when he found his parents unsecured weapon.


Notice it was an UNSECURED weapon......


If you own a gun and can not be responsible to secure that weapon, then you don't need to be a gun owner.

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Reply #259 posted 05/17/19 6:03pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

hell YES! Like metal 3D printers that used to cost over a million are now about $100K... soon we will be able to 3D print guns!

Oh and ghost guns! you can buy an upper and an 80% lower and have the lower made to function and there is NO record!

and truth be told that makes me a liitle uneasy but I have and I share the 3D printer plans often!

Why on earth would you share the 3D printer plans for guns? WTF?

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Reply #260 posted 05/17/19 6:05pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

FUCK THE NRA.

Fuck the NRA and anybody who takes the NRA money to win an election.

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Reply #261 posted 05/17/19 6:17pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

please see the highlighted part and then show me where you listed any features of a firearm you want banned... (and your list was closer to 5 things as several of them were just the same talking point said a slightly different way)

Who says I want them banned? I want them heavily regulated.

so they all guns and features of guns that are currently legal should be allowed to continue to be legal?

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #262 posted 05/17/19 6:19pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

hell YES! Like metal 3D printers that used to cost over a million are now about $100K... soon we will be able to 3D print guns!

Oh and ghost guns! you can buy an upper and an 80% lower and have the lower made to function and there is NO record!

and truth be told that makes me a liitle uneasy but I have and I share the 3D printer plans often!

Why on earth would you share the 3D printer plans for guns? WTF?

because I can and I want to and the government told the person that made them he could not sell them so I give them away for free... do you want a copy? (oh the creator made them freely available and allowed them to be shared freely)

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Reply #263 posted 05/17/19 6:25pm

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PennyPurple said:

A 3 year old child died today in KC. He accidently shot himself when he found his parents unsecured weapon.


Notice it was an UNSECURED weapon......


If you own a gun and can not be responsible to secure that weapon, then you don't need to be a gun owner.

It needs to be thoroughly investigated and if they find negligence the patents should be charged.


it was alleged to have been unsecured.


The 3rd part is not quite true. I am not sure what you mean by "secure" but I suspect I would not agree with what you mean by "secure."

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Reply #264 posted 05/17/19 6:26pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Why on earth would you share the 3D printer plans for guns? WTF?

because I can and I want to and the government told the person that made them he could not sell them so I give them away for free... do you want a copy? (oh the creator made them freely available and allowed them to be shared freely)

I also thought that the government made youtube and such take them off line too. ? But here you are sharing and giving them away.


Seriously, do not reply to me anymore, do not quote me, do not ask me a question, do not partake in a conversation with me, and I'll return the favor.


Got it? I will not converse with a deranged person, and you are deranged. Go get help.

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Reply #265 posted 05/17/19 6:36pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

because I can and I want to and the government told the person that made them he could not sell them so I give them away for free... do you want a copy? (oh the creator made them freely available and allowed them to be shared freely)

I also thought that the government made youtube and such take them off line too. ? But here you are sharing and giving them away.


Seriously, do not reply to me anymore, do not quote me, do not ask me a question, do not partake in a conversation with me, and I'll return the favor.


Got it? I will not converse with a deranged person, and you are deranged. Go get help.

what? you tube had never had them on their site... Are you confused? Oh and you understand that they are basicaly useless... even with a printer that costs tens of thousands of dollars they would not make a reliable firearm. it is a novelty. It is a pricapal of the matter. Free speech! And the right to keep and bear arms!

yes I give them away... Well I had them as a torrent file but I do not at the moment. If you do not want me to quote you or interact with you I suggest not positing here. I have never once been uncivil to you.

Oh now you name call... how civil...

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Reply #266 posted 05/17/19 6:36pm

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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

FUCK THE NRA.

Fuck the NRA and anybody who takes the NRA money to win an election.

classy!

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Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #267 posted 05/17/19 10:17pm

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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

FUCK THE NRA.

Fuck the NRA and anybody who takes the NRA money to win an election.

Yep, Fuck Wayne LaPierre, Fuck Dana Loesch, Fuck em all. Trash vomit assholes.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #268 posted 05/18/19 6:39am

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NRA used to be just for gun safety now they are about gun companies pr. This happened when the Koch Brothers and ALEC threw dark money into the mix. The GOP went from condemning the Black Panthers carrying guns to supporting everybody--white--carrying them in Church.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #269 posted 05/18/19 7:48am

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2freaky4church1 said:

NRA used to be just for gun safety now they are about gun companies pr. This happened when the Koch Brothers and ALEC threw dark money into the mix. The GOP went from condemning the Black Panthers carrying guns to supporting everybody--white--carrying them in Church.

Church? do you know who should have the 100% sole authority to decided if people can or can not OR who can and who can not carry a gun into a church?


The Church itself: however the power structure is set up that body should decided and there should be no law or regulation that can over rule that church's decision.


how is that even up for debate?

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