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Reply #180 posted 05/12/19 2:24pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

As I've said before I have no problem with an advocacy group that supports the rights of gun owners, but you do have to call out a dangerous and corrupt leadership that has been harmful to Americans. It’s as if the heart association was promoting cigarettes. [Edited 5/12/19 11:49am]

name one dangrous or harmful policy they have ever advocated for??

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Too easy - they advocate a level of gun ownership with use, carry and storage rules that means people in the US are injured and killed at per-capita rates that are more than an order of magnitude higher than in equivalent but saner nations. The harm and danger of the policies is shown by the fact that this danger and harm is far, far, far more common in the US than in so many other nations. Clearly the myopia of so many in the US to the tragedy of the policies advocated by the NRA etc means that you cannot see the significant increase in danger and harm they create.

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Reply #181 posted 05/12/19 2:54pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

name one dangrous or harmful policy they have ever advocated for??

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Too easy - they advocate a level of gun ownership with use, carry and storage rules that means people in the US are injured and killed at per-capita rates that are more than an order of magnitude higher than in equivalent but saner nations. The harm and danger of the policies is shown by the fact that this danger and harm is far, far, far more common in the US than in so many other nations. Clearly the myopia of so many in the US to the tragedy of the policies advocated by the NRA etc means that you cannot see the significant increase in danger and harm they create.

and your source?

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Reply #182 posted 05/12/19 3:54pm

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IanRG said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




Ugot2shakesumthin said:


As I've said before I have no problem with an advocacy group that supports the rights of gun owners, but you do have to call out a dangerous and corrupt leadership that has been harmful to Americans. It’s as if the heart association was promoting cigarettes. [Edited 5/12/19 11:49am]


name one dangrous or harmful policy they have ever advocated for??



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Too easy - they advocate a level of gun ownership with use, carry and storage rules that means people in the US are injured and killed at per-capita rates that are more than an order of magnitude higher than in equivalent but saner nations. The harm and danger of the policies is shown by the fact that this danger and harm is far, far, far more common in the US than in so many other nations. Clearly the myopia of so many in the US to the tragedy of the policies advocated by the NRA etc means that you cannot see the significant increase in danger and harm they create.



Thank you. And he knows all this. It’s just partisan trolling of course.
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Reply #183 posted 05/12/19 5:41pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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Too easy - they advocate a level of gun ownership with use, carry and storage rules that means people in the US are injured and killed at per-capita rates that are more than an order of magnitude higher than in equivalent but saner nations. The harm and danger of the policies is shown by the fact that this danger and harm is far, far, far more common in the US than in so many other nations. Clearly the myopia of so many in the US to the tragedy of the policies advocated by the NRA etc means that you cannot see the significant increase in danger and harm they create.

and your source?

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The only reason a person asks for source is because they want to deny what the other person said. You cannot be that ill-informed to think the US gun violence rates are anything other than seriously so very much higher than every equivalent nation. It is dishonest to pretend that this is not so.

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EVERY gun control policy that the NRA has advocated that has not reduced the gun violence rates in the US has been a dangerous policy advocated by the NRA that has harmed so very many people every year. This is because all of these policies have put guns before people - It is the reason the NRA exists - It is a collection of people who want to put guns first.

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Reply #184 posted 05/12/19 6:03pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and your source?

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The only reason a person asks for source is because they want to deny what the other person said. You cannot be that ill-informed to think the US gun violence rates are anything other than seriously so very much higher than every equivalent nation. It is dishonest to pretend that this is not so.

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EVERY gun control policy that the NRA has advocated that has not reduced the gun violence rates in the US has been a dangerous policy advocated by the NRA that has harmed so very many people every year. This is because all of these policies have put guns before people - It is the reason the NRA exists - It is a collection of people who want to put guns first.

Interesting deflection

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Reply #185 posted 05/12/19 7:15pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



IanRG said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:





and your source?



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The only reason a person asks for source is because they want to deny what the other person said. You cannot be that ill-informed to think the US gun violence rates are anything other than seriously so very much higher than every equivalent nation. It is dishonest to pretend that this is not so.


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EVERY gun control policy that the NRA has advocated that has not reduced the gun violence rates in the US has been a dangerous policy advocated by the NRA that has harmed so very many people every year. This is because all of these policies have put guns before people - It is the reason the NRA exists - It is a collection of people who want to put guns first.




Interesting deflection



Says the person who never posts sources. Very funny and hypocritical deflection.
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Reply #186 posted 05/12/19 8:07pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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The only reason a person asks for source is because they want to deny what the other person said. You cannot be that ill-informed to think the US gun violence rates are anything other than seriously so very much higher than every equivalent nation. It is dishonest to pretend that this is not so.

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EVERY gun control policy that the NRA has advocated that has not reduced the gun violence rates in the US has been a dangerous policy advocated by the NRA that has harmed so very many people every year. This is because all of these policies have put guns before people - It is the reason the NRA exists - It is a collection of people who want to put guns first.

Interesting deflection

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No, your deflection was pathetic: Seeking to deflect by asking for a source when you know very well that gun violence and deaths in the US are seriously abnormally large compared to its nearest equivalents is pathetic, not interesting. It is dishonest to pretend otherwise.

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The NRA's policies of guns before people both is both from a philosophical point of view: Like when you regularly dismiss the deaths of innocent people as merely the price of freedom.

- and a legislative point of view: With the NRA encouraging and financially supporting that there be no legislation or regulations in the US that has ever reduced the danger and harm from the NRA's pro-gun policies down to being only as low as in equivalent nations.

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Just remember: It was you who wanted to switch the topic to how the NRA has never had policies that harm people. It is not a deflection to point just how wrong this is.

[Edited 5/12/19 20:33pm]

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Reply #187 posted 05/12/19 11:54pm

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Machine guns are banned and I see no reason to change that...

and then you just get silly... But rocket launcher NO... grenades yes... (smoke grenades have a use)

you are ANTI FREEDOM!! you HATE THE CONSTITUTION and everything the forefathers layed out!! you even call them SILLY!!!! you want to rip Americans from their god given rights !!!1111!111!!!!






just admit it: for some strange reason only YOUR interpretation of the 2nd seems to be valid
YOU decide which weapons or backgorund checks are allowed or not. other opinions or interpretations are automatically rendered anti-freedom


you are the ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE

a sad pathetic braincontrolled freak

[Edited 5/13/19 0:03am]

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Reply #188 posted 05/12/19 11:58pm

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if you are going to parrot what you were told to say ...

LMFAO says the brainwashed Fox bot who just repeats NRA phrases and bullshit nonsense ad verbatim, and never has been able to form even one single independent thought on his own LOL




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Reply #189 posted 05/13/19 12:01am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

furry you are now concerning me.

are you not concerned with someone wishing DEATH on people?

terrorist supporting scum are not "people" but worthless disposable humand trash, not different than ISIS, Bin Laden, Kim Yong-Il or the orange fatfuck.
they deserve painful death thanks to their own ignorance and idiocy concerning guns, because they side with the criminals and baby killers

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Reply #190 posted 05/13/19 2:03am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

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Actually, I'd like to know what you think the gun laws should be. Should every type of gun be allowed to be sold to anyone? Should there be an age limit, if so what? Machine guns? What about rocket launchers, hand grenades etc...?

I have said and I say again:

the guns that are currently legal should be kept legal. I said well before Las Vegas that I had issues with bump stocks
One of the few good things Trump has done is to ban bump stocks.
No guns do not need to be sold to Just anyone... again the current rules seem to suffice to a large extent. I would make a rule that any gun sold at a gun store should require a background check they can have kiosks to provide that as well as local dealers to help facilitate the transfer...fees can be worked out between the parties...
So do we agree that guns should only be sold at gun stores where sufficient background checks can take place? No private sales?
Also if you sell more that some amount (say 5) and you must have a background checks. (at some point it is a business)
Erm...didn't you just say above that any gun sold at a gun store should have background checks?
But I also think a fast pass system should be in place. If they can tell my credit score in 30 seconds at wal-mart they can run a background check...as long as I have passed one at some point prior.
Nope, I definately disagree here. Do you how long security checks are to work in a max security prison? Up to a year. Checks should take as long as is needed to be sure that the person is responsible. The person can wait.
Ages: keep them the same: 18 long 21 hand gun... (We may need to work out the ones in the middle like an AR pistol).
Whatever. I'm sure somewhere else in this thread you were against guns being locked away so children under those ages have access to guns anyways. Sad, how many kids have to die before people realise that gun cabinets have a purpose.
Machine guns are banned and I see no reason to change that...
But, what if you needed one for an uprising?
and then you just get silly... But rocket launcher NO... grenades yes... (smoke grenades have a use)
Yes, it's called sarcasm. But hey, maybe someone reading this never knew they needed a grenade in their life until this moment. Shall we add a flamethrower for good measure too?

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #191 posted 05/13/19 2:20am

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

No guns do not need to be sold to Just anyone... again the current rules seem to suffice to a large extent. I would make a rule that any gun sold at a gun store should require a background check they can have kiosks to provide that as well as local dealers to help facilitate the transfer...fees can be worked out between the parties...
So do we agree that guns should only be sold at gun stores where sufficient background checks can take place? No private sales?

actually there were plenty of threads in the past where he said private sales should be allowed

Machine guns are banned and I see no reason to change that...
But, what if you needed one for an uprising?

indeed. the forefathers surely didn't think"okay, we should have guns. but not as powerful as the British have.... so let's write that down for future generations" LOL


basically Only just admitted that the whole defending-against-the-goverment argument is bogus and utter shite. just NRA propaganda fodder he was told to repeat since childhood. but he never ever thought it through himself. his cringy FAIL just proved it.

[Edited 5/13/19 2:25am]

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Reply #192 posted 05/13/19 3:49am

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have said and I say again:

the guns that are currently legal should be kept legal. I said well before Las Vegas that I had issues with bump stocks
One of the few good things Trump has done is to ban bump stocks.

Maybe...he is fixing obama's mess in several areas.

No guns do not need to be sold to Just anyone... again the current rules seem to suffice to a large extent. I would make a rule that any gun sold at a gun store should require a background check they can have kiosks to provide that as well as local dealers to help facilitate the transfer...fees can be worked out between the parties...
So do we agree that guns should only be sold at gun stores where sufficient background checks can take place? No private sales?

Not what I said. A I do not agree...

Also if you sell more that some amount (say 5) and you must have a background checks. (at some point it is a business)
Erm...didn't you just say above that any gun sold at a gun store should have background checks?

Huh? Oh I was talking Private sales.

But I also think a fast pass system should be in place. If they can tell my credit score in 30 seconds at wal-mart they can run a background check...as long as I have passed one at some point prior.
Nope, I definately disagree here. Do you how long security checks are to work in a max security prison? Up to a year. Checks should take as long as is needed to be sure that the person is responsible. The person can wait.

Yeah but I have already had a background check it is a matter of minutes.


Ages: keep them the same: 18 long 21 hand gun... (We may need to work out the ones in the middle like an AR pistol).
Whatever. I'm sure somewhere else in this thread you were against guns being locked away so children under those ages have access to guns anyways. Sad, how many kids have to die before people realise that gun cabinets have a purpose.

That is not true, you did not understand what was said.

Machine guns are banned and I see no reason to change that...
But, what if you needed one for an uprising?

Well they are not very effective or accurate and use up bullets too fast...but like in a video game... you have to take one off someone you kill...


and then you just get silly... But rocket launcher NO... grenades yes... (smoke grenades have a use)
Yes, it's called sarcasm. But hey, maybe someone reading this never knew they needed a grenade in their life until this moment. Shall we add a flamethrower for good measure too?

Flame throwers are legal as far as i know... but yeah just because you do not understand that some people may at some point need a smoke grenade.

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Reply #193 posted 05/13/19 3:54am

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BombSquad said:

maplenpg said:

indeed. the forefathers surely didn't think"okay, we should have guns. but not as powerful as the British have.... so let's write that down for future generations" LOL


basically Only just admitted that the whole defending-against-the-goverment argument is bogus and utter shite. just NRA propaganda fodder he was told to repeat since childhood. but he never ever thought it through himself. his cringy FAIL just proved it.

[Edited 5/13/19 2:25am]

lol lol lol lol

1) I've never said Private Sales should be banned... I do see a typo I meant to say all sales at gun SHOWS should required a Background check... BUT private sales should be allowed with OUT background checks within some limits...before having to have a dealer facilitate the background check and transfer.

2) not at all...you are just making up stuff to be rude.

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Reply #194 posted 05/13/19 3:57am

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BombSquad said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if you are going to parrot what you were told to say ...

LMFAO says the brainwashed Fox bot who just repeats NRA phrases and bullshit nonsense ad verbatim, and never has been able to form even one single independent thought on his own LOL




not true I do not watch fox and I am not, nor have I ever been an NRA memeber... all my thoughts are my own... you are making up falsehoods to insult me. you fail.

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Reply #195 posted 05/13/19 4:15am

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you want machine guns banned

this is against the constitution/2nd. FACT


this also proves that fighting an oppressive regime is none of your concern at all.

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Reply #196 posted 05/13/19 4:17am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

BombSquad said:

LMFAO says the brainwashed Fox bot who just repeats NRA phrases and bullshit nonsense ad verbatim, and never has been able to form even one single independent thought on his own LOL

not true I do not watch fox and I am not, nor have I ever been an NRA memeber... all my thoughts are my own... you are making up falsehoods to insult me. you fail.

I have never claimed you are an NRA member
you are making up falsehoods to weasle yourself out

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Reply #197 posted 05/13/19 4:46am

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BombSquad said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




BombSquad said:



LMFAO says the brainwashed Fox bot who just repeats NRA phrases and bullshit nonsense ad verbatim, and never has been able to form even one single independent thought on his own LOL




not true I do not watch fox and I am not, nor have I ever been an NRA memeber... all my thoughts are my own... you are making up falsehoods to insult me. you fail.




I have never claimed you are an NRA member
you are making up falsehoods to weasle yourself out



And he certainly does live in an right echo chamber. One day he has to be honest with himself as it is the only person he thinks he can fool.
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Reply #198 posted 05/13/19 6:55am

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Only said - the guns that are currently legal should be kept legal. I said well before Las Vegas that I had issues with bump stocks.


Bullshit you did. You whined about outlawing bump stocks and also said it didn't matter because people can make them. What a lie. The Only reason you now say you were for banning them is because Trump did it. You would get on your knees for King Donald J - as you called him in your signature.

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Reply #199 posted 05/13/19 7:32am

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What part of guns kill don't these people get? If you support guns you support dead bodies.

Mods, great idea, force everybody to source issues. I can finally see where Only and furry get their news.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #200 posted 05/13/19 9:14am

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Just pulling this back up for a reference on what Only has said....

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Laws I would like to see in place:


1. More extensive background checks


2. Put the age limit to buy a gun at 21


3. Must complete a gun training course


4. Mental health help and assesment for the military members who served over seas and make it a requirement upon returning to the US and before they are released as a civilian.

5. Longer waiting periods.


6. Mental health issues get flagged in the system during the background check.


7. Requirement to have all guns in a gun safe with gun locks.

8. If a kid gets into the parents gun stash and shoots up places and people, charge the parents with the crime also


9. No more sales at gun shows and no more gun shows period.

10. No person to person gun sales, no more private sales

(I WAS ONCE reported for nesting a reply so I will put the numbers)

1) what do you mean? like for any sale or as I would be fine with an sales (Including private) over say 5 a year or at any public event... or do you mean more in depth?

2) you mean for long guns? Okay... but the age to vote is likewise raised...

3) not reasonable and not effective and very much Jim Crow like...or like a test to vote.

4) so punish some over your paranoia? Nice

5)no waiting periods PERIOD... I am okay for a wait if a background check can not be cleared right away of up to 72 hours

6) MAYBE but to get listed must require a Federal judge's order with oversight and must be updated every few years...


7) no...there is no justification for this is yet another Jim Crow like law

8) I think that is already a law. I agree!

9) why not? give one good reason...other than you do not like them. I do think that private sales at gun shows should have background checks... (I am thinking you may not know many sales at gun shows require background checks)

10) oh hell no... that is really beyond any reason... I say you can sell up to 5 guns a year with no checks...over that I would agree it is a business...


Why not just be honest and admit you are scared of guns and do not understand them and just want them banned.

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Reply #201 posted 05/13/19 9:19am

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Again, it just boils down to this:

You're either with the shooters, or you're with the victims.

The NRA is with the shooters.

Therefore, if you are with the NRA, you are with the shooters.

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Reply #202 posted 05/13/19 2:34pm

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PennyPurple said:

Just pulling this back up for a reference on what Only has said....

OnlyNDaUsa said:

(I WAS ONCE reported for nesting a reply so I will put the numbers)

1) what do you mean? like for any sale or as I would be fine with an sales (Including private) over say 5 a year or at any public event... or do you mean more in depth?

2) you mean for long guns? Okay... but the age to vote is likewise raised...

3) not reasonable and not effective and very much Jim Crow like...or like a test to vote.

4) so punish some over your paranoia? Nice

5)no waiting periods PERIOD... I am okay for a wait if a background check can not be cleared right away of up to 72 hours

6) MAYBE but to get listed must require a Federal judge's order with oversight and must be updated every few years...


7) no...there is no justification for this is yet another Jim Crow like law

8) I think that is already a law. I agree!

9) why not? give one good reason...other than you do not like them. I do think that private sales at gun shows should have background checks... (I am thinking you may not know many sales at gun shows require background checks)

10) oh hell no... that is really beyond any reason... I say you can sell up to 5 guns a year with no checks...over that I would agree it is a business...


Why not just be honest and admit you are scared of guns and do not understand them and just want them banned.

[Edited 5/4/19 10:51am]

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Wow! So OnlyNDaUSA thinks promoting gun safety and education is ineffective and the equivalent of Jim Crow racial segregation laws. Also better looking after mental health issues of those returning from war services is punishing them based on paranoia.

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The latter two are just what happens when you just want to argue but have no argument.

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The statement that gun education is ineffective is the most telling. Only thinks gun safety education will not be effective (ie wont reduce gun violence). This is the best argument for more gun control I have seen in a long time: When you consider that the vast majority of gun deaths and injuries are as a result of short impulses of anger or dispair or from accidents and are far more likley to be inflicted by friends, family or ones self than by assailants or oppressive government regimes and Only thinks no amount of education on safe use and storage will reduce this, then the solution to protect yourself, your family and those your care about is to restrict access to guns. How many people who thought they, their family and loved ones were the good guys, have had their guns removed from their cold dead hands because they did not understand guns?

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Reply #203 posted 05/13/19 3:05pm

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Yea, Rodeo, choose life.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #204 posted 05/13/19 3:56pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Yea, Rodeo, choose life.



Yep.

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Reply #205 posted 05/13/19 4:07pm

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Only said - the guns that are currently legal should be kept legal. I said well before Las Vegas that I had issues with bump stocks.


Bullshit you did. You whined about outlawing bump stocks and also said it didn't matter because people can make them. What a lie. The Only reason you now say you were for banning them is because Trump did it. You would get on your knees for King Donald J - as you called him in your signature.

I do not believe i whined about it... I think I said they might be banned and it is hard to ban the ones that are already owned... and yes I may have said they are easy to make... but those are facts not opinion.

So I am going to have to ask you to back it up or apologize...

and what happened to " no more attention will be paid no matter what you post. Bye-ee." are not not a wo... person of your word?

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Reply #206 posted 05/13/19 4:09pm

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PennyPurple said:

Just pulling this back up for a reference on what Only has said....




kind of weird but okay whatever...

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Reply #207 posted 05/13/19 4:41pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



poppys said:


Only said - the guns that are currently legal should be kept legal. I said well before Las Vegas that I had issues with bump stocks.


Bullshit you did. You whined about outlawing bump stocks and also said it didn't matter because people can make them. What a lie. The Only reason you now say you were for banning them is because Trump did it. You would get on your knees for King Donald J - as you called him in your signature.




I do not believe i whined about it... I think I said they might be banned and it is hard to ban the ones that are already owned... and yes I may have said they are easy to make... but those are facts not opinion.

So I am going to have to ask you to back it up or apologize...

and what happened to " no more attention will be paid no matter what you post. Bye-ee." are not not a wo... person of your word?



Well you do have a point in that there are a lot of old weapons in circulation and many more weapons that will be created out of thin air as technological advancements keep ahead of laws and lawmakers. But this is all the more reason to tackle the problems facing a free SOCIETY, not throw your hands in the air. It’s a difficult task and a good reason for having a better advocacy group that is in it for both gun ownership and public safety. Instead of just being a political agency to thwart responsible gun policy.

I capitalized SOCIETY because isn’t that what we all want regardless of our political views? A better and safer society?
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Reply #208 posted 05/13/19 5:14pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not believe i whined about it... I think I said they might be banned and it is hard to ban the ones that are already owned... and yes I may have said they are easy to make... but those are facts not opinion.

So I am going to have to ask you to back it up or apologize...

and what happened to " no more attention will be paid no matter what you post. Bye-ee." are not not a wo... person of your word?

Well you do have a point in that there are a lot of old weapons in circulation and many more weapons that will be created out of thin air as technological advancements keep ahead of laws and lawmakers. But this is all the more reason to tackle the problems facing a free SOCIETY, not throw your hands in the air. It’s a difficult task and a good reason for having a better advocacy group that is in it for both gun ownership and public safety. Instead of just being a political agency to thwart responsible gun policy. I capitalized SOCIETY because isn’t that what we all want regardless of our political views? A better and safer society? [Edited 5/13/19 16:43pm]

you made a leap... the fact that it is hard to enforce is not a reason not to try. If you took that out of what I said, I apologize that was not my intent. I happen to think currently legal guns should reamin leagal. I am willing to add some new or more rigours rules.

and I will point out as some call me a troll... it is someone else who when I am fine with some restrictions some like to attack me over that...

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #209 posted 05/13/19 5:43pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: Well you do have a point in that there are a lot of old weapons in circulation and many more weapons that will be created out of thin air as technological advancements keep ahead of laws and lawmakers. But this is all the more reason to tackle the problems facing a free SOCIETY, not throw your hands in the air. It’s a difficult task and a good reason for having a better advocacy group that is in it for both gun ownership and public safety. Instead of just being a political agency to thwart responsible gun policy. I capitalized SOCIETY because isn’t that what we all want regardless of our political views? A better and safer society? [Edited 5/13/19 16:43pm]

you made a leap... the fact that it is hard to enforce is not a reason not to try. If you took that out of what I said, I apologize that was not my intent. I happen to think currently legal guns should reamin leagal. I am willing to add some new or more rigours rules.

and I will point out as some call me a troll... it is someone else who when I am fine with some restrictions some like to attack me over that...

.

So, other than deny it is a problem by asking for a source and deflecting by accusing others of deflection, what do you think should be done to reduce gun violence down to at least where it is every other equivalent nation? How would you make a better and safer society? What new or more rigourous rules would you like to see?

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