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Reply #60 posted 05/04/19 6:43am

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furry you are now concerning me.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #61 posted 05/04/19 6:57am

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2freaky4church1 said:

furry you are now concerning me.

are you not concerned with someone wishing DEATH on people?

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Reply #62 posted 05/04/19 7:04am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Point of fact: There is no legal right to own a gun. 2nd Amendment is for militias.


Don't cross the river into Kentucky, then. wink

"Kentucky will join more than a dozen states with a permitless concealed carry law after Gov. Matt Bevin signed th...egislation on Monday...The law will allow people to carry a concealed gun without getting a permit or completing a background check and safety training."

https://www.courier-journ...141601002/



Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #63 posted 05/04/19 7:58am

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djThunderfunk said:


Don't cross the river into Kentucky, then. wink

"Kentucky will join more than a dozen states with a permitless concealed carry law after Gov. Matt Bevin signed th...egislation on Monday...The law will allow people to carry a concealed gun without getting a permit or completing a background check and safety training."

https://www.courier-journ...141601002/



Missouri already has passed that law. I think it is stupid that they don't have to any type of safety training. It's just asking for trouble.

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Reply #64 posted 05/04/19 8:10am

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You all need to read Patrick Deneen, a real conservative. He thinks lines should be drawn, sexually on the left, liberty wise on the rise. Liberty used as an excuse to promote almost unlimited guns.

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Reply #65 posted 05/04/19 8:35am

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2freaky4church1 said:

You all need to read Patrick Deneen, a real conservative. He thinks lines should be drawn, sexually on the left, liberty wise on the rise. Liberty used as an excuse to promote almost unlimited guns.

there are lines... limits on firing mechanisms and when and were you are allowed to carry them as well as background checks on most sales... all sorts of infringements...

can you name 3 new laws that you belive to be reasonable and effective...

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Reply #66 posted 05/04/19 9:07am

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Huge tax on bullets. Government vids showing that crime is way down, no need to hoard guns. They could talk about suicide rate among white men with guns. Gun crimes can be a family values issue.

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Reply #67 posted 05/04/19 9:49am

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Laws I would like to see in place:


1. More extensive background checks


2. Put the age limit to buy a gun at 21


3. Must complete a gun training course


4. Mental health help and assesment for the military members who served over seas and make it a requirement upon returning to the US and before they are released as a civilian.

5. Longer waiting periods.


6. Mental health issues get flagged in the system during the background check.


7. Requirement to have all guns in a gun safe with gun locks.

8. If a kid gets into the parents gun stash and shoots up places and people, charge the parents with the crime also


9. No more sales at gun shows and no more gun shows period.

10. No person to person gun sales, no more private sales

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Reply #68 posted 05/04/19 10:03am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Huge tax on bullets. Government vids showing that crime is way down, no need to hoard guns. They could talk about suicide rate among white men with guns. Gun crimes can be a family values issue.

1) bulet tax = Jim Crow... no different than a poll tax... you ought to be ashamed...

2) government Vids? huh what? (following the cliton cosmetic ban gun crime went down but it stayed down once it expired and it has been expired longer than it was in effect)

3) no need to hord guns? are you for limits? how many and by type? or total?

4) my brother did not use a gun to kill himself

5) family values? I would say a good family value might include family outings that include shooting and gun safety lessons.

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Reply #69 posted 05/04/19 10:06am

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PennyPurple said:

Laws I would like to see in place:



1. More extensive background checks



2. Put the age limit to buy a gun at 21



3. Must complete a gun training course



4. Mental health help and assesment for the military members who served over seas and make it a requirement upon returning to the US and before they are released as a civilian.



5. Longer waiting periods.



6. Mental health issues get flagged in the system during the background check.



7. Requirement to have all guns in a gun safe with gun locks.



8. If a kid gets into the parents gun stash and shoots up places and people, charge the parents with the crime also



9. No more sales at gun shows and no more gun shows period.



10. No person to person gun sales, no more private sales



Perfect. People can still get a gun if they want one, but it's good to make sure they are mentally competent and sane enough for the responsibility
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Reply #70 posted 05/04/19 10:14am

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PennyPurple said:

Laws I would like to see in place:


1. More extensive background checks


2. Put the age limit to buy a gun at 21


3. Must complete a gun training course


4. Mental health help and assesment for the military members who served over seas and make it a requirement upon returning to the US and before they are released as a civilian.

5. Longer waiting periods.


6. Mental health issues get flagged in the system during the background check.


7. Requirement to have all guns in a gun safe with gun locks.

8. If a kid gets into the parents gun stash and shoots up places and people, charge the parents with the crime also


9. No more sales at gun shows and no more gun shows period.

10. No person to person gun sales, no more private sales

(I WAS ONCE reported for nesting a reply so I will put the numbers)

1) what do you mean? like for any sale or as I would be fine with an sales (Including private) over say 5 a year or at any public event... or do you mean more in depth?

2) you mean for long guns? Okay... but the age to vote is likewise raised...

3) not reasonable and not effective and very much Jim Crow like...or like a test to vote.

4) so punish some over your paranoia? Nice

5)no waiting periods PERIOD... I am okay for a wait if a background check can not be cleared right away of up to 72 hours

6) MAYBE but to get listed must require a Federal judge's order with oversight and must be updated every few years...


7) no...there is no justification for this is yet another Jim Crow like law

8) I think that is already a law. I agree!

9) why not? give one good reason...other than you do not like them. I do think that private sales at gun shows should have background checks... (I am thinking you may not know many sales at gun shows require background checks)

10) oh hell no... that is really beyond any reason... I say you can sell up to 5 guns a year with no checks...over that I would agree it is a business...


Why not just be honest and admit you are scared of guns and do not understand them and just want them banned.

[Edited 5/4/19 10:51am]

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Reply #71 posted 05/04/19 10:15am

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jjhunsecker said:


Perfect. People can still get a gun if they want one, but it's good to make sure they are mentally competent and sane enough for the responsibility

If we do the same for voting then fine.

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Reply #72 posted 05/04/19 10:39am

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1. More in depth background checks.

2. I'm not talking about voting. And what does voting have to do with gun sales?

3. A gun training course is not Jim Crow like. In Missouri you have to take a gun safety course in order to get a hunting license.

4. Requiring Military personnel to get evaluated and helped before being released to civillian life is 'my paronoia' ?

5. Yes, longer waiting periods.

6. Mental health issues need to be flagged, get it fixed so we are able to do it

7. Gun safes and gun locks on every gun a person owns.

8. Show me where parents are held responisble for shooting up schools, people, etc.

9. There is no reason to have a gun show.

10. No private sales. There is just no reason for them.


You might do some checking before you accuse me of reporting you. Normally I just come right out and tell it to you like it is, and normally I'm the one that gets banned because of it.

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[Edited 5/4/19 10:40am]

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Reply #73 posted 05/04/19 10:52am

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no longer needed

[Edited 5/4/19 13:51pm]

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
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Reply #74 posted 05/04/19 11:16am

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PennyPurple said:

1. More in depth background checks.


2. I'm not talking about voting. And what does voting have to do with gun sales?


3. A gun training course is not Jim Crow like. In Missouri you have to take a gun safety course in order to get a hunting license.


4. Requiring Military personnel to get evaluated and helped before being released to civillian life is 'my paronoia' ?


5. Yes, longer waiting periods.


6. Mental health issues need to be flagged, get it fixed so we are able to do it


7. Gun safes and gun locks on every gun a person owns.


8. Show me where parents are held responisble for shooting up schools, people, etc.


9. There is no reason to have a gun show.


10. No private sales. There is just no reason for them.



You might do some checking before you accuse me of reporting you. Normally I just come right out and tell it to you like it is, and normally I'm the one that gets banned because of it.



















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[Edited 5/4/19 10:40am]



The most important step for me would be a yearly registration fee and and late fee penalties for every gun just like cars, yearly insurance just like cars.

This would get people to take guns more seriously, like a car. It is not a toy and get people to report lost or missing guns.
The fees would go to the respective states. Once the fees start coming in yearly states would include it to their budgets and use accordingly.

And sales and registration numbers, including police reports of gun use to be transparent to reporting agencies.
[Edited 5/4/19 11:23am]
Persistent Turd is the shit.
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Reply #75 posted 05/04/19 12:02pm

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Be careful what you wish for- if we had sanity and intelligence tests for voters, then Trump (and most conservatives) would never get elected
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Reply #76 posted 05/04/19 12:04pm

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PennyPurple said:

1. More in depth background checks.


2. I'm not talking about voting. And what does voting have to do with gun sales?


3. A gun training course is not Jim Crow like. In Missouri you have to take a gun safety course in order to get a hunting license.


4. Requiring Military personnel to get evaluated and helped before being released to civillian life is 'my paronoia' ?


5. Yes, longer waiting periods.


6. Mental health issues need to be flagged, get it fixed so we are able to do it


7. Gun safes and gun locks on every gun a person owns.


8. Show me where parents are held responisble for shooting up schools, people, etc.


9. There is no reason to have a gun show.


10. No private sales. There is just no reason for them.



You might do some checking before you accuse me of reporting you. Normally I just come right out and tell it to you like it is, and normally I'm the one that gets banned because of it.



















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[Edited 5/4/19 10:40am]



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Reply #77 posted 05/04/19 1:42pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Be careful what you wish for- if we had sanity and intelligence tests for voters, then Trump (and most conservatives) would never get elected

lol lol good one... really well done...

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Reply #78 posted 05/04/19 1:43pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:


The most important step for me would be a yearly registration fee and and late fee penalties for every gun just like cars, yearly insurance just like cars. This would get people to take guns more seriously, like a car. It is not a toy and get people to report lost or missing guns. The fees would go to the respective states. Once the fees start coming in yearly states would include it to their budgets and use accordingly. And sales and registration numbers, including police reports of gun use to be transparent to reporting agencies. [Edited 5/4/19 11:23am]

Zero chance you would ever agree that guns should be treated like car... ZERO!

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Reply #79 posted 05/04/19 1:51pm

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PennyPurple said:

1. More in depth background checks.

2. I'm not talking about voting. And what does voting have to do with gun sales?

3. A gun training course is not Jim Crow like. In Missouri you have to take a gun safety course in order to get a hunting license.

4. Requiring Military personnel to get evaluated and helped before being released to civillian life is 'my paronoia' ?

5. Yes, longer waiting periods.

6. Mental health issues need to be flagged, get it fixed so we are able to do it

7. Gun safes and gun locks on every gun a person owns.

8. Show me where parents are held responisble for shooting up schools, people, etc.

9. There is no reason to have a gun show.

10. No private sales. There is just no reason for them.


You might do some checking before you accuse me of reporting you. Normally I just come right out and tell it to you like it is, and normally I'm the one that gets banned because of it.

1) such as? Check for what?
2) why give one right any more protection?
3) it is basically like a poll tax or a literacy test to vote
4) YES why assume they have issues? do you want the same for every other job?

5) why? and how long? And are you for banning same day voter registration too?
6) As long as there is a rigorous oversight I can agree to this
7) silly and wait who is going to check? LOL
8) it happens all the time
9) says yo...I get it you have a paranoia of guns you do not like them...
10) sure there are... maybe have a kid and want to sell some? or I get a new one and want to sell the old one? What about giving them away or passing them down?

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Reply #80 posted 05/04/19 2:42pm

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While 14 percent of the adult male population of the United States are military veterans, around a third of the perpetrators of mass gun attacks have previously served their country. The reasons are no doubt complex, but there are clear links between military service and mass violence.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-09/the-link-between-military-service-and-mass-gun-violence/10482852

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Reply #81 posted 05/04/19 2:45pm

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I'm not paranoid about guns. I don't like guns that's for sure, that doesn't mean that I am for taking guns away or no guns what so ever.

I don't believe that the average citizen needs military style weapons. Period.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

1. More in depth background checks.

2. I'm not talking about voting. And what does voting have to do with gun sales?

3. A gun training course is not Jim Crow like. In Missouri you have to take a gun safety course in order to get a hunting license.

4. Requiring Military personnel to get evaluated and helped before being released to civillian life is 'my paronoia' ?

5. Yes, longer waiting periods.

6. Mental health issues need to be flagged, get it fixed so we are able to do it

7. Gun safes and gun locks on every gun a person owns.

8. Show me where parents are held responisble for shooting up schools, people, etc.

9. There is no reason to have a gun show.

10. No private sales. There is just no reason for them.


You might do some checking before you accuse me of reporting you. Normally I just come right out and tell it to you like it is, and normally I'm the one that gets banned because of it.

1) such as? Check for what?
2) why give one right any more protection?
3) it is basically like a poll tax or a literacy test to vote
4) YES why assume they have issues? do you want the same for every other job?

5) why? and how long? And are you for banning same day voter registration too?
6) As long as there is a rigorous oversight I can agree to this
7) silly and wait who is going to check? LOL
8) it happens all the time
9) says yo...I get it you have a paranoia of guns you do not like them...
10) sure there are... maybe have a kid and want to sell some? or I get a new one and want to sell the old one? What about giving them away or passing them down?

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Reply #82 posted 05/04/19 2:45pm

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PennyPurple said:







While 14 percent of the adult male population of the United States are military veterans, around a third of the perpetrators of mass gun attacks have previously served their country. The reasons are no doubt complex, but there are clear links between military service and mass violence.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-09/the-link-between-military-service-and-mass-gun-violence/10482852

replace vets with some race and see how that goes over....

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Reply #83 posted 05/04/19 2:47pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:





https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-09/the-link-between-military-service-and-mass-gun-violence/10482852

replace vets with some race and see how that goes over....

Why ya wanna go bring race into it?

Aren't most mass shooters white?

I don't care what race anybody is, the laws need to be changed.

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Reply #84 posted 05/04/19 2:58pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

replace vets with some race and see how that goes over....

Why ya wanna go bring race into it?

Aren't most mass shooters white?

I don't care what race anybody is, the laws need to be changed.

because you want to treat people different because of who they are. Granted people choose to go into the military but damn it is jacked to suggest that simply because someone did serve they should have fewer rights.

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Reply #85 posted 05/04/19 3:08pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Why ya wanna go bring race into it?

Aren't most mass shooters white?

I don't care what race anybody is, the laws need to be changed.

because you want to treat people different because of who they are. Granted people choose to go into the military but damn it is jacked to suggest that simply because someone did serve they should have fewer rights.

Who said they should have fewer rights because they served in the military? I said they should have to go thru mandatory mental health evaluations when leaving the military. Not enough attention is given to our military members and their mental health when they come back from a war zone.


Don't put words in my mouth.

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Reply #86 posted 05/04/19 3:18pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:



The most important step for me would be a yearly registration fee and and late fee penalties for every gun just like cars, yearly insurance just like cars. This would get people to take guns more seriously, like a car. It is not a toy and get people to report lost or missing guns. The fees would go to the respective states. Once the fees start coming in yearly states would include it to their budgets and use accordingly. And sales and registration numbers, including police reports of gun use to be transparent to reporting agencies. [Edited 5/4/19 11:23am]



Zero chance you would ever agree that guns should be treated like car... ZERO!



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Reply #87 posted 05/04/19 4:23pm

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PennyPurple said:

Laws I would like to see in place:


1. More extensive background checks


2. Put the age limit to buy a gun at 21


3. Must complete a gun training course


4. Mental health help and assesment for the military members who served over seas and make it a requirement upon returning to the US and before they are released as a civilian.

5. Longer waiting periods.


6. Mental health issues get flagged in the system during the background check.


7. Requirement to have all guns in a gun safe with gun locks.

8. If a kid gets into the parents gun stash and shoots up places and people, charge the parents with the crime also


9. No more sales at gun shows and no more gun shows period.

10. No person to person gun sales, no more private sales


1. More extensive than what?

2. Shall we put the age limit to join the military at 21? Surely if one is not old enough to own a firearm they are likewise not old enough to serve in the military.

3. I don't disagree with this but some would say it's a financial obstacle for the poor.

4. ok

5. Longer than what?

6. What specific "issues" would get flagged?

7. A financial obstacle for the poor. Also, when would a firearm be required to be locked up? What if someone wants to keep one handy for quick access?

8. If a kid gets access to the family car and hurts someone with it, shall we charge the parents? How about if they use a weapon other than a firearm to hurt someone? Charge the parents?

9. Why? Do you believe the myth that gun shows are a loophole around background checks?

10. Nonsense.


Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #88 posted 05/04/19 4:35pm

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What is a "military style weapon"? The military use automatic firearms that are already illegal for private use or ownership.

PennyPurple said:

I'm not paranoid about guns. I don't like guns that's for sure, that doesn't mean that I am for taking guns away or no guns what so ever.

I don't believe that the average citizen needs military style weapons. Period.

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Reply #89 posted 05/05/19 10:01am

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It's always fun to critique someone when you have no ideas yourself.

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