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Reply #60 posted 04/06/19 4:06pm

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Bless. Unless you have brown skin.


This smear was also already dealt with above. Do you have a learning disablity or something?

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Reply #61 posted 04/06/19 4:07pm

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Y'all are fuckin nuts. Get a room.

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Reply #62 posted 04/06/19 4:12pm

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Religion is beautiful.

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Reply #63 posted 04/07/19 8:11am

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Cloudbuster said:


Lolz here. I sent the CAMERA once to you several years ago. Obviously the lens was kinda screwed. Like Palestinians.

You know, I've come across a term recently, that seems like it might be fitting for you:

NPC

I'm curious, do you hold a single opinion that doesn't fall in lockstep with the idelogoy of the radical left?

Aren't you a long-term dole boy who wants to blame your lack of "success" on shadowy powers that are conspiring to keep you down? Do you really expect anyone to believe that anyone in their right mind actually believes that the World Trade Center was taken down with "directed free energy"? rolleyes

Ladling out this mishegas is all a lot easier than having a good, long look in the mirror and either coming to terms with your circumstance or making the effort to change it, though, isn't it? I've come across thousands of dudes like you and the psychology is always the same.

Seriously, son - despite what you think - I feel for you. I really do. And I want you to lead your best life. That's not going to happen in your mother's basement, wasting away your hours on misdirected anger and bitterness, googling every anti-Semitic-founded lie you can find about Israel. Despite what some might have you believe, the Jews are not controlling your life. That's down to you.

Perhaps start by getting out there and helping others. Do some volunteer work. Talk to a professional. In the end, the only one that you're hurting is yourself.

Oh - and just to save you some time: "Bless you." rolleyes

Actually, he does. He's a climate change denier. He pretty much hates reality in general.

Still, it was fucked up the way you imperialists kicked 700,000 Palestinians out of their homes in 1947. It basically set the stage for non-stop war, tension and hatred. And the ongoing theft of Arab land is also not very cool.

Being kicked around by imperialists for so long has made Palestinians turn to the hateful Hamas. That is unfortunate, but that's what beaten, oppressed and frightened people do. They vote for nasty extremists. Ask yourself why that happened. It's not because they're evil Arabs as you Zionists secretly think. It's because they're desperate and damaged.

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Reply #64 posted 04/07/19 8:30am

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midnightmover said:

Ace said:

You know, I've come across a term recently, that seems like it might be fitting for you:

NPC

I'm curious, do you hold a single opinion that doesn't fall in lockstep with the idelogoy of the radical left?

Aren't you a long-term dole boy who wants to blame your lack of "success" on shadowy powers that are conspiring to keep you down? Do you really expect anyone to believe that anyone in their right mind actually believes that the World Trade Center was taken down with "directed free energy"? rolleyes

Ladling out this mishegas is all a lot easier than having a good, long look in the mirror and either coming to terms with your circumstance or making the effort to change it, though, isn't it? I've come across thousands of dudes like you and the psychology is always the same.

Seriously, son - despite what you think - I feel for you. I really do. And I want you to lead your best life. That's not going to happen in your mother's basement, wasting away your hours on misdirected anger and bitterness, googling every anti-Semitic-founded lie you can find about Israel. Despite what some might have you believe, the Jews are not controlling your life. That's down to you.

Perhaps start by getting out there and helping others. Do some volunteer work. Talk to a professional. In the end, the only one that you're hurting is yourself.

Oh - and just to save you some time: "Bless you." rolleyes

Actually, he does. He's a climate change denier. He pretty much hates reality in general.


Interesting. I didn't know that.

Still, it was fucked up the way you imperialists kicked 700,000 Palestinians out of their homes in 1947. It basically set the stage for non-stop war, tension and hatred. And the ongoing theft of Arab land is also not very cool.


First of all, I'm no imperialist, man. And, secondly, I believe you're referring to 1948? When the Arabs attacked? Re: "the ongoing theft of Arab land", that's an interesting way of describing land won in defensive wars.

Being kicked around by imperialists for so long has made Palestinians turn to the hateful Hamas. That is unfortunate, but that's what beaten, oppressed and frightened people do. They vote for nasty extremists. Ask yourself why that happened. It's not because they're evil Arabs as you Zionists secretly think. It's because they're desperate and damaged.


Yes, they are beaten, oppressed and frightened. By their own "leaders" (see video).

I don't think they're "evil Arabs". And how do you define "Zionist"?

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Reply #65 posted 04/07/19 9:14am

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When its all said and done, everybody playing fucking games in the region. Eveyone has wrapped themselves in nationalism and religion to pull the shit they do. A whole lot of people are throwing rocks and hiding hands. No one gives a shit about human rights. I don't think one dime of US taxpayers money should go to prop up The State of Israel, a nation that wouldn't survive a year without our US money. Let Israel fight it out standing on their own two feet..

The relationship between the "alt-right / religious" a.k.a white yaps.... who still haven't gotten over the fact their people lost of Civil War and Isreail is a fact. I don't support anyone who supports my enemy.

More importanaly, the P.M. disrespect of former President Obama hasn't been forgotten. When BB yellled jump he thought Obama was suppose to say, who high. What Obama should have done was cut Israel's aid as George W. H. Bush did when the Ambassador of Israel came to the White House (unvited) to speak to Bush I like a dog.

What I can tell you Ace, when we get the old racist white men out of office, the support for the State of Israel will change. Young American's don't have that kind of blind eye allgiance.

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[Edited 4/7/19 9:36am]

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Reply #66 posted 04/07/19 9:16am

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We defended ourselves and accidentally ended up with their homes. We defended ourselves and accidentally ended up with more of their land. We keep defending ourselves and so our territory keeps expanding. Perfectly logical.

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Reply #67 posted 04/07/19 9:22am

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midnightmover said:

We defended ourselves and accidentally ended up with their homes. We defended ourselves and accidentally ended up with more of their land. We keep defending ourselves and so our territory keeps expanding. Perfectly logical.


We attacked them and lost. We attacked them again and lost again. We attacked them yet again and lost yet again. We attacked them a fourth time and lost a fourth time. "We're the victims!"


Perfectly logical.

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Reply #68 posted 04/07/19 9:39am

midnightmover

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midnightmover said:

We defended ourselves and accidentally ended up with their homes. We defended ourselves and accidentally ended up with more of their land. We keep defending ourselves and so our territory keeps expanding. Perfectly logical.


We attacked them and lost. We attacked them again and lost again. We attacked them yet again and lost yet again. We attacked them a fourth time and lost a fourth time. "We're the victims!"


Perfectly logical.

Very sneaky post this. You totally dodged the point. The point is that Israel's borders have been expanding constantly for decades. To pretend that this is an accidental bi product of defending thmselves is dishonest.

If you want to rebut my post do it by addressing that point, not dodging it.

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Reply #69 posted 04/07/19 11:38am

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midnightmover said:

Ace said:


We attacked them and lost. We attacked them again and lost again. We attacked them yet again and lost yet again. We attacked them a fourth time and lost a fourth time. "We're the victims!"


Perfectly logical.

Very sneaky post this. You totally dodged the point. The point is that Israel's borders have been expanding constantly for decades. To pretend that this is an accidental bi product of defending thmselves is dishonest.

If you want to rebut my post do it by addressing that point, not dodging it.


Was not at all intended to be sneaky or dodge the point. The point was that every expansion of Israel's borders has been an outcome of a war engendered by the Arabs.

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Reply #70 posted 04/07/19 11:40am

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that he will annex Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank if he is re-elected.

Netanyahu staked out the position on television on Saturday, ahead of Tuesday's election where he faces a challenge from his former army chief of staff Benny Gantz

The first-time move from the prime minister appears to be aimed at galvanizing support among his nationalist base and right-wing political allies. The annexation of parts of the West Bank would likely be considered the final blow to the possibility of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...


[Edited 4/7/19 11:43am]

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Reply #71 posted 04/07/19 11:45am

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poppys said:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that he will annex Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank if he is re-elected.

Netanyahu staked out the position on television on Saturday, ahead of Tuesday's election where he faces a challenge from his former army chief of staff Benny Gantz

The first-time move from the prime minister appears to be aimed at galvanizing support among his nationalist base and right-wing political allies. The annexation of parts of the West Bank would likely be considered the final blow to the possibility of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Edited 4/7/19 11:42am]


Defending Israel's right to exist and protect itself from its attackers does not equate with supporting everything its government has ever done.


Of course, most everyone who's replied here is dodging the elephant in the room postulated by the gentleman addressing the UN in the video.

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Reply #72 posted 04/07/19 11:50am

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The way you wrote the OP title and especially the one that got taken down last week, (where you actually name checked orgers in the OP), shows your agenda here. It isn't all about one video.

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Reply #73 posted 04/07/19 12:04pm

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TD3 said:

When its all said and done, everybody playing fucking games in the region. Eveyone has wrapped themselves in nationalism and religion to pull the shit they do. A whole lot of people are throwing rocks and hiding hands. No one gives a shit about human rights. I don't think one dime of US taxpayers money should go to prop up The State of Israel, a nation that wouldn't survive a year without our US money. Let Israel fight it out standing on their own two feet..

The relationship between the "alt-right / religious" a.k.a white yaps.... who still haven't gotten over the fact their people lost of Civil War and Isreail is a fact. I don't support anyone who supports my enemy.

More importanaly, the P.M. disrespect of former President Obama hasn't been forgotten. When BB yellled jump he thought Obama was suppose to say, who high. What Obama should have done was cut Israel's aid as George W. H. Bush did when the Ambassador of Israel came to the White House (unvited) to speak to Bush I like a dog.

What I can tell you Ace, when we get the old racist white men out of office, the support for the State of Israel will change. Young American's don't have that kind of blind eye allgiance.

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[Edited 4/7/19 9:36am]


TD3, you know I love you (you've gone out of your way to help me in the past and I thank you, again, for that).


I agree with you that religion (which, again, I think is nonsense) is one of the main impediments to peace in the region.


But I can't agree with you that "No one (in the region) gives a shit about human rights." Israel is not perfect, but it has been an exception in that regard in this region (making it all the more ironic that "progressives" align themselves with its enemies - who generally keep women second-class citizens and have zero protection for LGBT rights).


Re: your contention that the alt-right is pro-Israel, the alt-right is no friend to the Jew, so that's not accurate. Fundamentalist Christians? Yeah, they tend back Israel unconditionally (for their own crazy reasons).


The enmity between Obama and Netanyahu began when the latter explicitly told the former, in front of the media, that the "right of return" for those displaced by the '48 war was not going to happen (as it would negate the entire raison d'etre for Israel's founding). Maybe not the best way to handle that, but Obama should've swallowed his ego and dealt with the reality of the situation.

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Reply #74 posted 04/07/19 12:06pm

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Ace, oh my God, I'd think my now you would be informed enough to know how awful Israel is, especially with the monster Trump fan Netanyahu at the helm. Israel actually colluded with Trump not Russia. There are many good sources available. Docs and other video info:

Listen to Noam Ace:

Not a leg to stand on.

All Jews Ace:

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #75 posted 04/07/19 12:11pm

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poppys said:

The way you wrote the OP title and especially the one that got taken down last week, (where you actually name checked orgers in the OP), shows your agenda here. It isn't all about one video.


Of course it's not all about one video. My agenda here is to try and dispel some of the ridiculously-one-sided (and often just out-and-out fictional) nonsense that is posted here about Israel constantly.


And, yes - I did namecheck a few orgers in that. They're the ones that came to mind as incessantly shit-posting about Israel here. Are they untouchable, or something?


By the by: I never did get clarification on why that thread was pulled. I asked the moderator (whom I love, by the way), but she never did get back to me.

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Reply #76 posted 04/07/19 12:12pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Ace, oh my God, I'd think my now you would be informed enough to know how awful Israel is, especially with the monster Trump fan Netanyahu at the helm. Israel actually colluded with Trump not Russia. There are many good sources available. Docs and other video info:

Listen to Noam Ace:

Not a leg to stand on.

All Jews Ace:


Speak of the devil. rolleyes


I'll tell you what, freaky: Address what the gentleman told the UN in the video and I'll consider addressing these vids.

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Reply #77 posted 04/07/19 12:19pm

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Incidentally, 2freaky4church1 is one who never questions any piece of radical left ideology (see "NPC").

I was going to say "At least Cloudy has one thought independent from those SJW's". But maybe that's not the best example. neutral

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Reply #78 posted 04/07/19 12:25pm

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Israel has the population of NYC and is about the geographical size of New Jersey. They get more money from the US gov than any state ever could. 3 billion + dollars last year.

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Reply #79 posted 04/07/19 12:31pm

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Israel has the population of NYC and is about the geographical size of New Jersey. They get more money from the US gov than any state ever could. 3 billion + dollars last year.


I'll assume that this figure is accurate and that the US doesn't give any other country as much (is this what you're saying?).

It doesn't change the fact that Israel is surrounded by those who wish to do them harm (including some whom have attempted to do so repeatedly), nor address what the gentleman tells the UN to complete and utter silence.

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Reply #80 posted 04/07/19 12:39pm

poppys

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poppys said:

Israel has the population of NYC and is about the geographical size of New Jersey. They get more money from the US gov than any state ever could. 3 billion + dollars last year.


I'll assume that this figure is accurate and that the US doesn't give any other country as much (is this what you're saying?).

It doesn't change the fact that Israel is surrounded by those who wish to do them harm (including some whom have attempted to do so repeatedly), nor address what the gentleman tells the UN to complete and utter silence.


No, state, US state, or territory for that matter. You're in Canada, right?

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Reply #81 posted 04/07/19 12:45pm

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poppys said:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that he will annex Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank if he is re-elected.

Netanyahu staked out the position on television on Saturday, ahead of Tuesday's election where he faces a challenge from his former army chief of staff Benny Gantz

The first-time move from the prime minister appears to be aimed at galvanizing support among his nationalist base and right-wing political allies. The annexation of parts of the West Bank would likely be considered the final blow to the possibility of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Edited 4/7/19 11:42am]


Defending Israel's right to exist and protect itself from its attackers does not equate with supporting everything its government has ever done.


Of course, most everyone who's replied here is dodging the elephant in the room postulated by the gentleman addressing the UN in the video.


You did not address what I posted. What about settlements???

Ahead Of Israeli Election, Netanyahu Pledges To Annex West Bank Settlements

..."I will impose sovereignty, but I will not distinguish between settlement blocs and isolated settlements," he continued, The Associated Press reports. "From my perspective, any point of settlement is Israeli, and we have responsibility, as the Israeli government. I will not uproot anyone, and I will not transfer sovereignty to the Palestinians."

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Reply #82 posted 04/07/19 12:51pm

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poppys said:

Ace said:


I'll assume that this figure is accurate and that the US doesn't give any other country as much (is this what you're saying?).

It doesn't change the fact that Israel is surrounded by those who wish to do them harm (including some whom have attempted to do so repeatedly), nor address what the gentleman tells the UN to complete and utter silence.


No, state, US state, or territory for that matter. You're in Canada, right?


Yes, I'm in Canada.


Well, that does seem disproportionate. But that's to discuss with your government.


It doesn't change the fact that the Arabs continue to attack Israel and then expect them to give back land won fending off those attacks - all the while continuing to vow to wipe Israel off the map. You'll notice that Israel has returned land for peace (see Egypt, for example).


If we really want to help the Palestinians, we have to encourage them to install leadership that has their best interests in mind (see original video).

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Reply #83 posted 04/07/19 12:55pm

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poppys said:

Ace said:


Defending Israel's right to exist and protect itself from its attackers does not equate with supporting everything its government has ever done.


Of course, most everyone who's replied here is dodging the elephant in the room postulated by the gentleman addressing the UN in the video.


You did not address what I posted. What about settlements???

Ahead Of Israeli Election, Netanyahu Pledges To Annex West Bank Settlements

..."I will impose sovereignty, but I will not distinguish between settlement blocs and isolated settlements," he continued, The Associated Press reports. "From my perspective, any point of settlement is Israeli, and we have responsibility, as the Israeli government. I will not uproot anyone, and I will not transfer sovereignty to the Palestinians."


I did address it, in my reply to what you posted:

Defending Israel's right to exist and protect itself from its attackers does not equate with supporting everything its government has ever done.


Of course, most everyone who's replied here is dodging the elephant in the room postulated by the gentleman addressing the UN in the video.


To clarify:

I think the settlements are foolish. And they'll probably end up withdrawing them just as they did when they unilaterally withdrew from Gaza.

Netanyahu tends to green-light settlements as a response to terrorist attacks. In case he hasn't noticed, it has not exactly served as a deterrent.

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Reply #84 posted 04/07/19 1:44pm

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Ace trusts a Palestinian but not 3 jews. lol

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Reply #85 posted 04/07/19 1:47pm

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Now Nutenyahu wants to annex the West Bank. Crazy and illegal. The UN Human Rights counsil said they violated international law in murdering the innocents in Gaza protests. Gaza will be uninhabitable soon. Israel is a criminal state.

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Reply #86 posted 04/07/19 1:47pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Ace trusts a Palestinian but not 3 jews. lol


Again, feel free to address the initial video any time now...

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Reply #87 posted 04/07/19 1:54pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Now Nutenyahu wants to annex the West Bank. Crazy and illegal. The UN Human Rights counsil said they violated international law in murdering the innocents in Gaza protests. Gaza will be uninhabitable soon. Israel is a criminal state.


You mean the UN "Human Rights" council that includes Saudi Arabia (among other well-known human-rights-friendly countries)?

There are two sides to every story, freaky. And where were the protests at Gaza's Egyptian border?


Yes, Gaza might be uninhabitable soon (if they don't manage to replace their current "leadership").

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Reply #88 posted 04/07/19 2:48pm

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Graycap23 said:

Bingo.


By your logic, you could say that the Palestinians' belief is that, "God is love. Unless you're Jewish." Bingo. It's been the Arabs that have engendered every war with Israel. And, still, no one here's addressed the video I've posted. Wonder why?...


I watched the video. I'm sympathetic to what he is saying, in regards to how people often are victims of movements. It does not make me instantly think that Israel is not aggressive, especially with it's constant land grabs, which you pooh-pooh as political games.

If I had my way, the US would stop supporting Israel's arms build-up economically to the tune of 138 BILLION dollars since 1949. Maybe you should work on Canada instead.

The Hollywood music in the video is ridiculous. I would can that.

[Edited 4/7/19 14:52pm]

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Reply #89 posted 04/07/19 2:57pm

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poppys said:

Ace said:

Graycap23 said:
By your logic, you could say that the Palestinians' belief is that, "God is love. Unless you're Jewish." Bingo. It's been the Arabs that have engendered every war with Israel. And, still, no one here's addressed the video I've posted. Wonder why?...


I watched the video. I'm sympathetic to what he is saying, in regards to how people often are victims of movements. It does not make me instantly think that Israel is not aggressive, especially with it's constant land grabs, which you pooh-pooh as political games.


We've already dealt with the "land grabs". All of that land was won in wars engendered by the Arabs. Now, who's the aggressor, again? Come on, poppys - I know you're smarter than that. Don't go all "NPC" on me, here.

If I had my way, the US would stop supporting Israel's arms build-up economically to the tune of 138 BILLION dollars since 1949. Maybe you should work on Canada instead.


We currently have a moronic Prime Minister who (among many other idiotic things he's done) has restored funding to a group that has been proven to funnel money to terrorism:

https://torontosun.com/op...bled-unrwa

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