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Jussie Smollett Charges Dropped; ‘His Record Has Been Wiped Clean’

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JUST BREAKING- UPDATE

Jussie Smollett Charges Dropped; ‘His Record Has Been Wiped Clean’

https://chicago.cbslocal....s-dropped/

CHICAGO (CBS) — Less than two weeks after “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett pleaded not guilty to 16 counts of disorderly conduct for allegedly lying to police about a hate crime, prosecutors have dropped charges in the case.


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March 8, 2019, 2:49 PM MST
By Doha Madani


"Empire" actor Jussie Smollett has been indicted by a grand jury in Chicago on 16 felony counts after allegedly lying to police about being the victim of a racist and homophobic hate crime, NBC News confirmed Friday.


Smollett was charged last month with felony disorderly conduct for the alleged false report he made with Chicago police on Jan. 29, according to the Cook County State's Attorney's Office. In it he claimed he was assaulted by two masked men who hurled racist and homophobic slurs.





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Reply #1 posted 03/08/19 4:57pm

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Damn, those Mighty Ducks always up to something.
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Reply #2 posted 03/08/19 5:02pm

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So what will happen is this. He will be brought back in and re-processed and his bail will be adjusted as needed. But they could just revoke the bail and apply it for his new bail without an increase. But as it almost always the case, he will be given full credit. But I expect a significant increase and he will be either monitored or ordered not to leave the area.

And then he will also likely be indicted on Federal charges.

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Reply #3 posted 03/08/19 6:53pm

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16? Wow.

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Reply #4 posted 03/08/19 8:01pm

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They are making an example out of him.


What is going to happen to the 2 brothers? Any charges against them?

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Reply #5 posted 03/09/19 6:10am

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PennyPurple said:

They are making an example out of him.


What is going to happen to the 2 brothers? Any charges against them?

did they make false statements or file a false police report? I mean maybe accessory to the original hoax... but as far as I know they did not ask for a deal... so maybe they will be.

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Reply #6 posted 03/09/19 8:24am

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Reply #7 posted 03/09/19 9:55am

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It looks like some most if not all will be collapsed into one (or 2 or 3) charges. It is a bit of a grandstanding move to list each of the 16 separate. But he apparently did make 16 false statements. We know he met with investigators at least 3 times (that night--at his home, a day or 2 later--at the scene, and when he went back to "id" the suspects.

Either way, it is likely that even if he was convicted on all 16 the sentence would be 1 to 3 years... or about 18 months... max.

He has a good chance to take a plea for probation to avoid prison.

But the real shadow is very possible federal charges.

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Reply #8 posted 03/10/19 5:02am

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An aspect of the case to remember is that Jussie is a repeat offender, having lied to police during and after his DUI arrest. Any reputable judge will acknowledge he didn't learn his lesson the first time, and therefore needs to be taught a much harder lesson than simply being put on probation. Unless his attorneys can expose a loophole, I think he's destined for some prison time. He certainly deserves it, as his actions were horrific.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Reply #9 posted 03/10/19 8:34am

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Pokeno4Money said:

An aspect of the case to remember is that Jussie is a repeat offender, having lied to police during and after his DUI arrest. Any reputable judge will acknowledge he didn't learn his lesson the first time, and therefore needs to be taught a much harder lesson than simply being put on probation. Unless his attorneys can expose a loophole, I think he's destined for some prison time. He certainly deserves it, as his actions were horrific.

Horrific you say?

Remember these facts in case things fall into place the way you think they will:

No one was injured or killed and,

No was was going to be prosecuted for the crime because there was no one to be found.

Now listen to what's been rumbling in the streets for some "perspective":

What Should Happen To Emmett Till’s Accuser, Carolyn Donham? Black Twitter Has Its Opinion

What Should Happen To Emm...ts Opinion

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And I'm just going to throw this in for equal measure. Not saying she's right or wrong, and certainly not interested in persuading people on how to think but it's an angle I don't think many have considered. Question: Would it help or hurt?

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Reply #10 posted 03/10/19 9:31am

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CynicKill said:

Horrific you say?

Remember these facts in case things fall into place the way you think they will:

No one was injured or killed and,

No was was going to be prosecuted for the crime because there was no one to be found.

Now listen to what's been rumbling in the streets for some "perspective":


Yes, horrific.

It's not just I who says so, it's most of the world who says so. Look at the prior thread for some of the quotes.

Because of Jussie's disgusting selfish behavior, there is a greater chance of REAL victims being doubted in the future ... which means there will be a greater chance of others getting injured or killed.

And need I remind you, if he had gotten away with it there would have been thousands of injuries and deaths because there would have been retaliation against whites and Trump supporters, there would have been riots, and it could have started a race war. Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened, if people had actually believed him and he had gotten away with it.

And what if two white guys happened to be walking in the area and got caught on surveillance? What if innocent people had been arrested and prosecuted, as often happens with fake hate crimes? Again, Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened.

I'm pretty sure the MODS don't want other cases brought up again in this thread, therefore I won't respond to the rest of your post.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #11 posted 03/10/19 10:15am

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Pokeno4Money said:

CynicKill said:

Horrific you say?

Remember these facts in case things fall into place the way you think they will:

No one was injured or killed and,

No was was going to be prosecuted for the crime because there was no one to be found.

Now listen to what's been rumbling in the streets for some "perspective":


Yes, horrific.

It's not just I who says so, it's most of the world who says so. Look at the prior thread for some of the quotes.

Because of Jussie's disgusting selfish behavior, there is a greater chance of REAL victims being doubted in the future ... which means there will be a greater chance of others getting injured or killed.

And need I remind you, if he had gotten away with it there would have been thousands of injuries and deaths because there would have been retaliation against whites and Trump supporters, there would have been riots, and it could have started a race war. Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened, if people had actually believed him and he had gotten away with it.

And what if two white guys happened to be walking in the area and got caught on surveillance? What if innocent people had been arrested and prosecuted, as often happens with fake hate crimes? Again, Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened.

I'm pretty sure the MODS don't want other cases brought up again in this thread, therefore I won't respond to the rest of your post.

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Reply #12 posted 03/10/19 2:21pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

I'm pretty sure the MODS don't want other cases brought up again in this thread, therefore I won't respond to the rest of your post.


Basically, strong anti-Smollett opinions will trigger some to attack the character of those they disagree with. Any response at all will escalate the nastiness, and the thread will be closed.

What's the point?

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Reply #13 posted 03/10/19 3:29pm

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PennyPurple said:

They are making an example out of him.


What is going to happen to the 2 brothers? Any charges against them?


Yep - but I also think Jesse might be suffering from some kind of mental imbalance even to attempt this kind of thing.

hmmm Good question. I guess since they cooperated with police they might be charged but to a lesser degree, or given some kind of probation. If they participated in this stunt then they are guilty as well, right?

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Reply #14 posted 03/10/19 3:53pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

PennyPurple said:

They are making an example out of him.


What is going to happen to the 2 brothers? Any charges against them?


Yep - but I also think Jesse might be suffering from some kind of mental imbalance even to attempt this kind of thing.

hmmm Good question. I guess since they cooperated with police they might be charged but to a lesser degree, or given some kind of probation. If they participated in this stunt then they are guilty as well, right?

Well they did participate, so they should be charged too.

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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Yep - but I also think Jesse might be suffering from some kind of mental imbalance even to attempt this kind of thing.

hmmm Good question. I guess since they cooperated with police they might be charged but to a lesser degree, or given some kind of probation. If they participated in this stunt then they are guilty as well, right?

Well they did participate, so they should be charged too.


You probably missed this from the first thread, but there are multiple reasons why they haven't been charged and probably never will.

1) It's not a crime to help someone stage an attack. People pull pranks all the time for publicity or personal reasons, look at YouTube and you'll see plenty there. As long as the brothers didn't know the staged attack would be reported to the police, they can't be charged with anything.

2) It doesn't appear the brothers lied to police at any point in time

3) Much of the evidence to charge Jussie was a direct result of the brothers cooperation with police. That cooperation would understandably allow immunity for the brothers. This is a very common police practice, give immunity or a plea deal to those who help crack a case.


"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Yep - but I also think Jesse might be suffering from some kind of mental imbalance even to attempt this kind of thing.

hmmm Good question. I guess since they cooperated with police they might be charged but to a lesser degree, or given some kind of probation. If they participated in this stunt then they are guilty as well, right?

Well they did participate, so they should be charged too.


Who knows? Saying they were hired to stage a assault is admitting to a crime... Maybe they were given some kind of a deal from the police and they could have also claimed they did not know he would take it as far as he did.

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djThunderfunk said:

Pokeno4Money said:

I'm pretty sure the MODS don't want other cases brought up again in this thread, therefore I won't respond to the rest of your post.


Basically, strong anti-Smollett opinions will trigger some to attack the character of those they disagree with. Any response at all will escalate the nastiness, and the thread will be closed.

What's the point?

Yeah I hear ya. Certainly it was disappointing how some set out to shut down the other thread, and that's exactly what they accomplished. Nearly the whole world has strong anti-Jussie opinions, and justifiably so. Because no celebrity has stooped to the level he has.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Reply #18 posted 03/12/19 12:22pm

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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Yep - but I also think Jesse might be suffering from some kind of mental imbalance even to attempt this kind of thing.

hmmm Good question. I guess since they cooperated with police they might be charged but to a lesser degree, or given some kind of probation. If they participated in this stunt then they are guilty as well, right?

Well they did participate, so they should be charged too.

For what crime? Some have suggested they helped him make the letter... if so they could be charged with that. But for the hoax attack? I am not so sure. Like it was said... it was a prank or publicity stunt.

And for Jussie... what he did in terms of saying it was a white Maga type is just as bad as when a white person lies and says it was a black person. (like that lady that killed her kids and said it was a black man)

And there is no reason to assume that if they happened to find a white person that was in the area that he would have not let them take the fall.

As I said it sure seem to be a trump inspired hate crime... and as I also predicted... just not in the way many people assumed.

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Reply #19 posted 03/12/19 12:26pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

PennyPurple said:

Well they did participate, so they should be charged too.


Who knows? Saying they were hired to stage a assault is admitting to a crime... Maybe they were given some kind of a deal from the police and they could have also claimed they did not know he would take it as far as he did.

I am pretty sure it was publicly said that the did not ask for nor where they offered a deal for their cooperation. At least at first. Now, they have done better at not leaking information. But none of the leaks help or hurt the case--but I am glad that the people that illegally accessed his records were busted. (I know someone that did that in another case...After I told him NOT too. I am just happy they never asked me about it)

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

And there is no reason to assume that if they happened to find a white person that was in the area that he would have not let them take the fall.


As I said it sure seem to be a trump inspired hate crime... and as I also predicted... just not in the way many people assumed.


Oh there's no doubt in my mind he would have let a random whitey take the fall. The biggest reason why Jussie is now known as a racist asshole is because he specifically said his attackers were white, even though he could have very easily said he couldn't see what color they were because they were covered in winter clothes from head to toe. It would have been more believable too, considering only 31% of Chicago residents are white.

You certainly called it correctly from the beginning! And you took the reasonable approach, waiting for facts and evidence rather than immediately jumping to the ridiculous conclusion that his "story" was true.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Why we stilll on this?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #23 posted 03/12/19 4:10pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

CynicKill said:

Horrific you say?

Remember these facts in case things fall into place the way you think they will:

No one was injured or killed and,

No was was going to be prosecuted for the crime because there was no one to be found.

Now listen to what's been rumbling in the streets for some "perspective":


Yes, horrific.

It's not just I who says so, it's most of the world who says so. Look at the prior thread for some of the quotes.

Because of Jussie's disgusting selfish behavior, there is a greater chance of REAL victims being doubted in the future ... which means there will be a greater chance of others getting injured or killed.

And need I remind you, if he had gotten away with it there would have been thousands of injuries and deaths because there would have been retaliation against whites and Trump supporters, there would have been riots, and it could have started a race war. Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened, if people had actually believed him and he had gotten away with it.

And what if two white guys happened to be walking in the area and got caught on surveillance? What if innocent people had been arrested and prosecuted, as often happens with fake hate crimes? Again, Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened.

I'm pretty sure the MODS don't want other cases brought up again in this thread, therefore I won't respond to the rest of your post.



horrific lol

oh the drama

and look at you with your faux care for the victims of hate crimes... NOBODY is buying it... well, except your little crew... you know... the mbr crew

in the last thread you posted data saying that many hate crimes were false... now you're worried about victims being doubted in the future?.... please dude... just stop

here's the thing.... everyone agrees that what jussie did was wrong and he needs to cop his punishment... but your relentless overly dramatic stance with terms like horrific etc are all about one thing... you've got something to run with that suits your agenda

i posted examples in the last thread of multiple times where white people have falsely accused black people of crimes... throughout american history it's been so common it's ridiculous... yet not one comment from you about that.... where's your outrage there?... you act like this is the first time someone has falsely accused people of another skin colour of a crime ... why?.... your agenda

this thread will be just another platform for you to spew your bullshit over and over again

why am i raising this?... perspective.... this is not the crime of the century... so gtf outta here with your drivel

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Pokeno4Money said:

CynicKill said:

Horrific you say?

Remember these facts in case things fall into place the way you think they will:

No one was injured or killed and,

No was was going to be prosecuted for the crime because there was no one to be found.

Now listen to what's been rumbling in the streets for some "perspective":


Yes, horrific.

It's not just I who says so, it's most of the world who says so. Look at the prior thread for some of the quotes.

Because of Jussie's disgusting selfish behavior, there is a greater chance of REAL victims being doubted in the future ... which means there will be a greater chance of others getting injured or killed.

And need I remind you, if he had gotten away with it there would have been thousands of injuries and deaths because there would have been retaliation against whites and Trump supporters, there would have been riots, and it could have started a race war. Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened, if people had actually believed him and he had gotten away with it.

And what if two white guys happened to be walking in the area and got caught on surveillance? What if innocent people had been arrested and prosecuted, as often happens with fake hate crimes? Again, Jussie is responsible for what COULD have happened.

I'm pretty sure the MODS don't want other cases brought up again in this thread, therefore I won't respond to the rest of your post.


BS. You cannot be held responsible for what could have happened.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Why we stilll on this?

lol I know, right?

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Reply #27 posted 03/14/19 2:33pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Why we stilll on this?

lol I know, right?



don't you care?... there was nearly a race war

could have been the end of civilisation as we know it

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Reply #28 posted 03/14/19 2:45pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Why we stilll on this?


We still on this because it's a major story that is just beginning, the whole world is focused on it.

Why you keep coming to threads that you have no interest in participating in?

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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MoBettaBliss said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

lol I know, right?



don't you care?... there was nearly a race war

could have been the end of civilisation as we know it

Um... not where I live. shrug and no one is talkign about this anymore - the college scandal is the focus in the news cycle. Anyone who is still following Smollett this closely are like the people who like to go to public hangings. Dude is a trainwreck and got caught. There was no race riot and Captain Marvel made untold millions at the box office.

Next!

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