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Virginia Gov Ralph Northam - Should he step down? - 2



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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/429034-northam-speaks-with-lt-governor-by-phone-amid-rolling-controversy


Northam speaks with Virginia lt. governor by phone amid rolling controversy

...Northam, Fairfax and Herring -- the top three elected officials in Virginia -- have been engulfed in scandal this week, deepening a leadership crisis in the state.

Last Friday, a photo emerged from Northam's 1984 medical school yearbook page that showed two individuals, one in blackface and the other in a Ku Klux Klan robe. The governor initially apologized for appearing in the photo, but later insisted he was not in the image. He has resisted calls for his resignation from state and national Democrats.

Days later, Fairfax became the center of scrutiny after a woman accused him of sexual assault. The lieutenant governor has denied the allegations. On Wednesday, his accuser, Vanessa Tyson, came forward with a detailed accusation, claiming Fairfax forced her to perform oral sex during what began as a consensual encounter in 2004.

Fairfax has maintained that the entire interaction was consensual. Both he and Tyson have retained legal counsel.

The state plunged further into turmoil on Wednesday when Herring admitted he wore blackface when he dressed up as a rapper at a college party in 1980.

Fairfax would be next line in line for the governorship if Northam resigned, followed by Herring, followed by the Republican Speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates, Kirk Cox.



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Virginia Politics - The Washington Post

Virginia Gov. Northam, isolated, gets space to ponder his fate as Democrats absorb scandals

RICHMOND — Embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) appeared to be in a stronger position Thursday as the scandals engulfing the state’s other two top officeholders made it less likely he would be forced to step down during the General Assembly session.

Most Democrats in Virginia’s congressional delegation stood by their call for him to resign over a racist photo in a 1984 yearbook and his use of blackface that same year, but some privately acknowledged that the reckoning might have to wait. They took a softer stand toward Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D), refraining from calling for his resignation over a blackface incident from his college days.

The delegation could not agree on what to say about Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax (D), who denies allegations that he sexually assaulted a woman in 2004...


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How Virginia Gov. Northam survives scandal by staying out of sight

by ALAN SUDERMAN, Associated Press

Friday, February 8th 2019


RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — He promised to start an honest conversation about race and how to heal the lingering wounds of Virginia’s painful past. Then he disappeared.

For the past week, Gov. Ralph Northam has defied widespread calls for his resignation after a racist yearbook picture and a bungled response upended his career.

The 59-year-old Democrat has hired a crisis communications firm, used underground tunnels at the Capitol to stay out of sight and unveiled no strategy for how he might govern effectively over the next three years.


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02/08/2019 12:37 am ET HuffPost

Spike Lee On Gov. Ralph Northam, Or Anyone Else, In Blackface: ‘Hell To The Naw’

The “BlacKkKlansman” director said he doesn’t want to hear anyone defend their blackface by saying “it was the ‘80s.”


Filmmaker Spike Lee is not giving Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam any free passes for a photo of men in blackface...an uniform on his 1984 yearbook page that surfaced last week.

In an interview with Politico p...d Thursday, Lee, whose film “BlacKkKlansman” was nominated for six Oscars, highlighted the history of blackface in the U.S. and how it is inappropriate no matter what the decade was.

Politico asked Lee, “So if people are telling lies, but then they learn the truth, do they get a pass? Like this governor in Virginia, does he get a pass, because now he may have learned something?”

“Three words: Hell to the naw,” Lee replied while laughing, according to the news site. “Two words: Hell no.”



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Reply #4 posted 02/08/19 6:58am

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Yes, Northram should resign.

No, Farifax should not. There's as much "corroboration" in his case as there was in Kavanaugh's, so the Republicans can suck it.

The attorney general should resign.

The senator that published the VMI yearbook full of racism - Mitch McConnell Lite - should resign.

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Reply #5 posted 02/08/19 7:35am

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Agree with you Rodeo.

That yearbook - shake

https://pilotonline.com/n...40140.html

A Virginia Military Institute yearbook overseen by future state Senate Majority Leader Tommy Norment in 1968 features a host of racist photos and slurs, including blackface.

The revelation about one of Virginia's most powerful Republicans comes as the state’s Democratic governor and attorney general are facing calls to resign over their own admissions they wore blackface as young men...

...The N-word is used at least once, and a student listed as being from Bangkok, Thailand, is referred to with anti-Chinese and anti-Japanese slurs.

A blurb under one man’s picture says: “He was known as the 'Barracks Jew’ having his fingers in the finances of the entire Corps.”


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omg, Virginia is a shit show.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Wow, Skeletons in the closet making their way out in Virginia.
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2elijah said:

Wow, Skeletons in the closet making their way out in Virginia.


Maybe it's some 400 year old gris gris.


www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/02/AR2006090201097.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/

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RodeoSchro said:

Yes, Northram should resign.

No, Farifax should not. There's as much "corroboration" in his case as there was in Kavanaugh's, so the Republicans can suck it.

The attorney general should resign.

The senator that published the VMI yearbook full of racism - Mitch McConnell Lite - should resign.


Agreed ^ on all counts. Fairfax should stick it out.

"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
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Reply #10 posted 02/08/19 2:28pm

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Well, well, well a 2nd woman has claimed sexual assault, actually rape in the Fairfax case.

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PennyPurple said:

Well, well, well a 2nd woman has claimed sexual assault, actually rape in the Fairfax case.


Interesting. Is there a link?

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CNN is making a list of celebrities and politicians that got in hot water over blackface:

"• Louisiana House of Representatives candidate Robbie Gattie dressed like Tiger Woods for a church event • South Carolina county council candidate Brant Tomlinson dressed like a Jamaican bobsledder for a Halloween party • Former Florida Secretary of State Mike Ertel, as a Hurricane Katrina victim at a Halloween party • Illinois state Senate candidate Hal Patton dressed up as a black football player • Florida state Rep. Anthony Sabatini, who dressed up as his best friend • New York state Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who dressed like a "black basketball player" for a Jewish holiday • Actor Ted Danson, while roasting then-girlfriend Whoopi Goldberg and repeatedly using the N-word • Actor C. Thomas Howell, in the 1986 film "Soul Man" • Actress and singer Julianne Hough dressed as the character Crazy Eyes from "Orange is the New Black" • Actor Billy Crystal, as the late Sammy Davis Jr. on "Saturday Night Live" and at the 2012 Oscars • Jimmy Kimmel, dressed as Karl Malone on "The Man Show" • Jimmy Fallon, as Chris Rock on "Saturday Night Live" • Paula Deen and her son, dressed as Lucy and Ricky Ricardo from "I Love Lucy" • Robert Downey Jr., in the movie "Tropic Thunder" • Gene Wilder, in shoe polish in "Silver Streak" • Talk show host Megyn Kelly, who asked on her show "what is racist" about blackface • Drake, who was revealed to have posed in blackface when Pusha T used the photo as cover art for his single • Spanish soccer player Andrés Iniesta, who tweeted a picture of himself posing with two people in blackface • French soccer player Antoine Griezmann, who wore blackface as part of a costume for a 1980s themed party • Joni Mitchell, who appeared in blackface on the cover of her 1977 album "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter""

https://m.cnn.com/en/arti...b12165f4f0



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poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

Well, well, well a 2nd woman has claimed sexual assault, actually rape in the Fairfax case.


Interesting. Is there a link?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

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PennyPurple said:

poppys said:


Interesting. Is there a link?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

Wow. What a hot mess.

The Gov. is not resigning, this guy's 2nd accuser and the AG!

The city clerk is going to end up running the show.

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If all this is going to cause Virginia to be Red, then that is going to suck.

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PennyPurple said:

poppys said:


Interesting. Is there a link?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

Whoa! But he vehemently denies it:

"I deny this latest unsubstantiated allegation. It is demonstrably false. I have never forced myself on anyone ever," he wrote in a statement. "I demand a full investigation into these unsubstantiated and false allegations. Such an investigation will confirm my account because I am telling the truth. I will clear my good name and I have nothing to hide."

The lieutenant governor cited his prior FBI background checks and campaigns as yielding no such history, and stressed that he would not resign.

"I have passed two full field background checks by the FBI and run for office in two highly contested elections with nothing like this being raised before," he wrote. "It is obvious that a vicious and coordinated smear campaign is being orchestrated against me. I will not resign."
"Families are torn apart, men women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have gone missing." - Anne Frank
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PennyPurple said:

If all this is going to cause Virginia to be Red, then that is going to suck.



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DiminutiveRocker said:

PennyPurple said:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

Whoa! But he vehemently denies it:

"I deny this latest unsubstantiated allegation. It is demonstrably false. I have never forced myself on anyone ever," he wrote in a statement. "I demand a full investigation into these unsubstantiated and false allegations. Such an investigation will confirm my account because I am telling the truth. I will clear my good name and I have nothing to hide."

The lieutenant governor cited his prior FBI background checks and campaigns as yielding no such history, and stressed that he would not resign.

"I have passed two full field background checks by the FBI and run for office in two highly contested elections with nothing like this being raised before," he wrote. "It is obvious that a vicious and coordinated smear campaign is being orchestrated against me. I will not resign."


If he denies it too strongly that means he's guilty. Right?

Or if he gets angry. Or if he starts babbling about how much he likes beer. Guilty!

Right?

Or, are we still just believing the accuser with no evidence because women don't lie about this type of thing?

If so, then case closed. Guilty!!

Right?



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poppys said:

2elijah said:

Wow, Skeletons in the closet making their way out in Virginia.


Maybe it's some 400 year old gris gris.


www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/02/AR2006090201097.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/

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Hey Pop - cannot open these - can you repost?

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PennyPurple said:

If all this is going to cause Virginia to be Red, then that is going to suck.


I bet that's what many repubs are hoping for. They had so many scandals among their party. I bet some ugly things will come out about some repubs as well. Yet trump, who has so many claims of sexual harassment against him, remains in office. That’s kind of unfair to the others who have similar claims against them, whether Dem or Repub, because they are forced to resign when such claims are exposed about them.
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DiminutiveRocker said:



RodeoSchro said:


Yes, Northram should resign.

No, Farifax should not. There's as much "corroboration" in his case as there was in Kavanaugh's, so the Republicans can suck it.

The attorney general should resign.

The senator that published the VMI yearbook full of racism - Mitch McConnell Lite - should resign.




Agreed ^ on all counts. Fairfax should stick it out.


There's some guy who said if Fairfax doesnt resign, he's going to start impeachment procedures on Monday.
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popcorn couch where's the aspirin emoticon for my headache?

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djThunderfunk said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Whoa! But he vehemently denies it:

"I deny this latest unsubstantiated allegation. It is demonstrably false. I have never forced myself on anyone ever," he wrote in a statement. "I demand a full investigation into these unsubstantiated and false allegations. Such an investigation will confirm my account because I am telling the truth. I will clear my good name and I have nothing to hide."

The lieutenant governor cited his prior FBI background checks and campaigns as yielding no such history, and stressed that he would not resign.

"I have passed two full field background checks by the FBI and run for office in two highly contested elections with nothing like this being raised before," he wrote. "It is obvious that a vicious and coordinated smear campaign is being orchestrated against me. I will not resign."


If he denies it too strongly that means he's guilty. Right?

Or if he gets angry. Or if he starts babbling about how much he likes beer. Guilty!

Right?

Or, are we still just believing the accuser with no evidence because women don't lie about this type of thing?

If so, then case closed. Guilty!!

Right?



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If you are referencing Kavanaugh, he actually refused to call for an independent investigation into the allegations against himself. On top of that, he refused to take a lie detector test.

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benni said:

djThunderfunk said:


If he denies it too strongly that means he's guilty. Right?

Or if he gets angry. Or if he starts babbling about how much he likes beer. Guilty!

Right?

Or, are we still just believing the accuser with no evidence because women don't lie about this type of thing?

If so, then case closed. Guilty!!

Right?



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If you are referencing Kavanaugh, he actually refused to call for an independent investigation into the allegations against himself. On top of that, he refused to take a lie detector test.


Some said Kavanaugh's anger proved his guilt.

As for believing the accuser with no evidence, that's not about Kavanaugh. Not so long ago many were saying this everytime anyone was accused.

Ross Perot was right!!
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RodeoSchro said:

Yes, Northram should resign.

No, Farifax should not. There's as much "corroboration" in his case as there was in Kavanaugh's, so the Republicans can suck it.

The attorney general should resign.

The senator that published the VMI yearbook full of racism - Mitch McConnell Lite - should resign.

That is simply not the case. Ford did know when or where it happened. Ford did not know how she ended up there or how she got home. Ford can not even prove she was ever with Kavanaugh. And last: even if everything she said was true... what happened was a simple assault a misdemeanor.

The accuser in Fairfax knows when and where. She knows how she got there and how she got home. The fact that they know each other is indisputable. And Last: forced oral sex is a felony.

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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2elijah said:

PennyPurple said:

If all this is going to cause Virginia to be Red, then that is going to suck.

I bet that's what man repubs are hoping for.


Come on now, you know every time there is some scandal you hope it is a Republican... and you hope it will help your side. Hell YES, I want Virginia to be red! I also want Trump to announce he is not running for re-election.

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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djThunderfunk said:

benni said:


If you are referencing Kavanaugh, he actually refused to call for an independent investigation into the allegations against himself. On top of that, he refused to take a lie detector test.


Some said Kavanaugh's anger proved his guilt.

As for believing the accuser with no evidence, that's not about Kavanaugh. Not so long ago many were saying this everytime anyone was accused.

yeah, I have mentioned the effect before. I noticed I would see a similar photo of someone I liked and someone I did not like... and I would tend to see the one I liked as being positive and the one I did not like as negative.

That IS what happened here... he was mad so he was "unhinged" hillary was mad so she was "brave"

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Women aren't allowed to get mad.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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