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Reply #30 posted 01/29/19 5:59am

13cjk13

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

The people of Venezuela need someone to take over and try to save them. Chavez and those villains that came after failed and have driven the country to ruin... socialism always fails.

Social programs are fine...but to fund them there MUST be a robust free market from which to draw said funding. Saddy it tends to disincentivize effort and rewards poor choices.

and these fools that think a zero skill should get $15 an hour? No! That can have one and only one outcome... the devaluation of a dollar. Period. No Debate.

No. The US lead sanctions and economic warfare have driven Venezuela to ruin. We have no clue whether their socialist policies would have continued to be successful, because of US meddling. The people of the world need someone to take over the US government, so other countries can control their own destiny. Perhaps Putin? You don’t find Russia building military bases all over the world and he supports the lifting of sanctions on Venezuela. What you reckon? Time for a drastic change in the US?

Exactly. When the average, uneducated, dumbed down American gets their news from Fox, all they ever hear is "Socialism is evil", and never pay attention to what is really going on. Its disgusting.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #31 posted 01/29/19 6:01am

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Before the sanctions Venezuela’s current government use to subsidize the manufacturing costs for newspapers.
Including its staunchest opponents.
Newspapers, including those of its opposition have had to now shut down because the sanctions means Venezuela’s bolivarian government are now unable to subsidise newspaper manufacturing costs.

Not only does Venezuela have a free press, its current socialist government subsidised the manufacturing and import costs for them to operate.
Irrespective of thier political views.

How’s that for democracy.




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Reply #32 posted 01/29/19 6:07am

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someone should finally have the guts to invade that fucking rotten USA, remove that sick orange piece of shit in office (Americans are obviously to dumb to vote) and throw out that ridiculous political system.
Operation American Freedom ™ Yeah!



it would be a good thing

[Edited 1/29/19 6:08am]

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #33 posted 01/29/19 6:20am

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BombSquad said:

someone should finally have the guts to invade that fucking rotten USA, remove that sick orange piece of shit in office (Americans are obviously to dumb to vote) and throw out that ridiculous political system.
Operation American Freedom ™ Yeah!





it would be a good thing

[Edited 1/29/19 6:08am]


Bernie Sanders could win.
Perhaps things will improve and get better
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Reply #34 posted 01/29/19 6:28am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jaawwnn said:

Argument ends right there.


so their system is working fine now?

You're either anti-interventionist or you're not.

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Reply #35 posted 01/29/19 6:49am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jaawwnn said:

Argument ends right there.


so their system is working fine now?

it's not working as it could, cause you sick FUCKS sabotage it, now how complicated is that?

that's like going to my neighbors house every weekend, steal what I like, torture his family and pets, shit on his floor, break his windows, and then after a few months I take over his house and family completely to "save him" cause it is obviously "not working"


t think the US system is not "working fine now". so let's invade and teach those silly fucks.


everywhere you look just arrogant imperialistic Fox brainwashed terrorist supporting cunts with backward political views from centuries ago

simply disgusting

[Edited 1/29/19 7:02am]

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #36 posted 01/29/19 10:59am

13cjk13

BombSquad said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:


so their system is working fine now?

it's not working as it could, cause you sick FUCKS sabotage it, now how complicated is that?

that's like going to my neighbors house every weekend, steal what I like, torture his family and pets, shit on his floor, break his windows, and then after a few months I take over his house and family completely to "save him" cause it is obviously "not working"


t think the US system is not "working fine now". so let's invade and teach those silly fucks.


everywhere you look just arrogant imperialistic Fox brainwashed terrorist supporting cunts with backward political views from centuries ago

simply disgusting

[Edited 1/29/19 7:02am]

yeahthat

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Reply #37 posted 01/29/19 11:42am

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BombSquad said:

someone should finally have the guts to invade that fucking rotten USA, remove that sick orange piece of shit in office (Americans are obviously to dumb to vote) and throw out that ridiculous political system.
Operation American Freedom ™ Yeah!



it would be a good thing

[Edited 1/29/19 6:08am]

^^BUILD THE WALL.

eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #38 posted 01/29/19 1:24pm

13cjk13

BombSquad said:

someone should finally have the guts to invade that fucking rotten USA, remove that sick orange piece of shit in office (Americans are obviously to dumb to vote) and throw out that ridiculous political system.
Operation American Freedom ™ Yeah!



it would be a good thing

[Edited 1/29/19 6:08am]

It would be a GREAT thing!

eek eek eek eek eek eek eek

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Reply #39 posted 01/29/19 6:19pm

IanRG

Isn't it funny that in this thread we have the far left arguing for an questionably elected president against a majority elected parliament whilst on so many other threads we have the far right arguing for a questionably elected president against a majority elected house of parliament.

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Having said that, I fully encourge a peaceful internal resolution to this problem that does not strip a country of its natural resources and, most importantly, sees people not murdered at the rates they now are, properly fed and provided with adequate healthcare and stops a country that should be stable and well off from creating so many refugees.

[Edited 1/29/19 19:42pm]

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Reply #40 posted 01/29/19 7:50pm

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IanRG said:

Isn't it funny that in this thread we have the far left arguing for an questionably elected president against a majority elected parliament whilst on so many other threads we have the far right arguing for a questionably elected president against a majority elected house of parliament.


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Having said, I fully encourge a peaceful internal resolution to this problem that does not strip a country of its natural resources and, most importantly, sees people not murdered at the rates they now are, fed and provided with adequate healthcare and stops a country that should be stable and well off from creating so many refugees.



That’s great that you oppose intervention.
But you could also be honest about the situation.
You don’t have to perpetuate fake far right and CIA propaganda about the left or the Bolivarian revolution in order to create a fake centrist position built on lies about the left.
It’s the same tactic Trump used to make himself appear reasonable in Charlotteville when he called peaceful protesters opposing nazis appear as extremists in order to create a fake centrist position.

It’s a democractically elected socialist government.
Denying that is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for this government.





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Reply #41 posted 01/29/19 8:31pm

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It should also be pointed out that the majority who voted for Maduro (poor and middle class) are not the people here who are violently protesting.

It’s a small number of upper middle class and rich elites who want to privatise Venezuela’s oil so they can sell it to Trump and European elites and return Venezuela back to the way it was before Chávez.
Protesters are violently attacking random people on the street and killing those they perceive as supporting the socialist and indegenious bolivarian government (I.E by thier skin colour. who are called “chavistas”)


Operation “Make Venezuela Great Again”
Well it wasn’t great before Chávez and the bolivarian revolution.
so what exactly are the u.s advocating for here?

The bolivarian government is not authoritarian, a dictorship or even a communist state as people claim it to be.




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Reply #42 posted 01/29/19 8:36pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

Isn't it funny that in this thread we have the far left arguing for an questionably elected president against a majority elected parliament whilst on so many other threads we have the far right arguing for a questionably elected president against a majority elected house of parliament.

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Having said, I fully encourge a peaceful internal resolution to this problem that does not strip a country of its natural resources and, most importantly, sees people not murdered at the rates they now are, fed and provided with adequate healthcare and stops a country that should be stable and well off from creating so many refugees.

That’s great that you oppose intervention. But you could also be honest about the situation. You don’t have to perpetuate fake far right and CIA propaganda about the left or the Bolivarian revolution in order to create a fake centrist position built on lies about the left. It’s the same tactic Trump used to make himself appear reasonable in Charlotteville when he called peaceful protesters opposing nazis appear as extremists in order to create a fake centrist position. It’s a democractically elected socialist government. Denying that is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for this government. . [Edited 1/29/19 20:03pm]

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Please note all I said was there are questions on the presidental election - To deny this is dishonest. I made no statement about who is right or wrong - just that the far left and the far right in Prince.Org are aligning in favour of the president vs parliament in line with their biases - i.e. far left with Venezuelan president and far right with the US president, both against the majority elected members of at least one house of the respective parliament.

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To be completely honest, rather than spinning that I am being as bad as Trump excusing violence by extremist on one side and inflating it on the other at Charlotteville then you also have to agree that in 2015 there was a democratically elected opposition controlled parliament with a supermajority until this was reduced under questionable processes. Denying this is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for the government.

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Reply #43 posted 01/29/19 8:52pm

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:

Isn't it funny that in this thread we have the far left arguing for an questionably elected president against a majority elected parliament whilst on so many other threads we have the far right arguing for a questionably elected president against a majority elected house of parliament.


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Having said, I fully encourge a peaceful internal resolution to this problem that does not strip a country of its natural resources and, most importantly, sees people not murdered at the rates they now are, fed and provided with adequate healthcare and stops a country that should be stable and well off from creating so many refugees.



That’s great that you oppose intervention. But you could also be honest about the situation. You don’t have to perpetuate fake far right and CIA propaganda about the left or the Bolivarian revolution in order to create a fake centrist position built on lies about the left. It’s the same tactic Trump used to make himself appear reasonable in Charlotteville when he called peaceful protesters opposing nazis appear as extremists in order to create a fake centrist position. It’s a democractically elected socialist government. Denying that is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for this government. . [Edited 1/29/19 20:03pm]

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Please note all I said was there are questions on the presidental election - To deny this is dishonest. I made no statement about who is right or wrong - just that the far left and the far right in Prince.Org are aligning in favour of the president vs parliament in line with their biases - i.e. far left with Venezuelan president and far right with the US president, both against the majority elected members of at least one house of the respective parliament.


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To be completely honest, rather than spinning that I am being as bad as Trump excusing violence by extremist on one side and inflating it on the other at Charlotteville then you also have to agree that in 2015 there was a democratically elected opposition controlled parliament with a supermajority until this was reduced under questionable processes. Denying this is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for the government.



You do realise Maduro not only called that election he supported the outcome and the result of the parliament.

The last election was called illegitimate because Trump asked the opposition not to run in order to create an illigetimate election narrative.
Because since Chavez the CIA have been unable to build an opposition to win a majority vote.
One opposition politician ended up still running against Maduro and lost.

The far right elitist lackeys need to engage via democratic and political institutions.
Which is what the bolivarian revoution does.
They can’t just not run in elections or shut down the government when they do not get thier way.
And worse then get violent when they still don’t get thier way

It should also be said that one opposition politician who was disqualified was charged with trying to assinate the president.
It’s a bit unfair to say all this constitutes an unfair election.

By the way I don’t think you’re as bad as Trump.




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Reply #44 posted 01/29/19 9:52pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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Please note all I said was there are questions on the presidental election - To deny this is dishonest. I made no statement about who is right or wrong - just that the far left and the far right in Prince.Org are aligning in favour of the president vs parliament in line with their biases - i.e. far left with Venezuelan president and far right with the US president, both against the majority elected members of at least one house of the respective parliament.

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To be completely honest, rather than spinning that I am being as bad as Trump excusing violence by extremist on one side and inflating it on the other at Charlotteville then you also have to agree that in 2015 there was a democratically elected opposition controlled parliament with a supermajority until this was reduced under questionable processes. Denying this is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for the government.

You do realise Maduro not only called that election he supported the outcome and the result of the parliament. The last election was called illegitimate because Trump asked the opposition not to run in order to create an illigetimate election narrative. Because since Chavez the CIA have been unable to build an opposition to win a majority vote. One opposition politician ended up still running against Maduro and lost. The far right elitist lackeys need to engage via democratic and political institutions. Which is what the bolivarian revoution does. They can’t just not run in elections or shut down the government when they do get thier way. And worse then get violent when they still don’t get thier way It should also be said that one opposition politician who was disqualified was charged with trying to assinate the president. It’s a bit unfair to say all this constitutes an unfair election. By the way I don’t think you’re as bad as Trump, that would be an insult . [Edited 1/29/19 21:00pm]

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All you are doing is proving my point - You know there are questions. You are not denying there are questions. You are attributing the source and causes of the question to specific internal and external people and organisation. I did not use the term unfair, just that there are questions. The Venezuelan opposition did engage with democratic and political institutions when they won a super majority in the 2015 parliamentary election (only to have this super majority removed by newly appointed judges by the president), just as the US opposition won the lower house in their 2018 parliamentary elections.

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The point I was making was that one one hand the far right here support a president over parliament in regards to the USA but parliament over the president in Venezuela. Conversely, the far left here supports the parliament over the president in the USA but the president over parliament in Venezuela. Each side will argue they are correct and the other side is not and they will all strongly believe in their heart of hearts that they are correct. None of this supports any side commiting violent and intimidating acts, corruption or interferance in another country's economy and politics.

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Reply #45 posted 01/29/19 10:40pm

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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Please note all I said was there are questions on the presidental election - To deny this is dishonest. I made no statement about who is right or wrong - just that the far left and the far right in Prince.Org are aligning in favour of the president vs parliament in line with their biases - i.e. far left with Venezuelan president and far right with the US president, both against the majority elected members of at least one house of the respective parliament.


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To be completely honest, rather than spinning that I am being as bad as Trump excusing violence by extremist on one side and inflating it on the other at Charlotteville then you also have to agree that in 2015 there was a democratically elected opposition controlled parliament with a supermajority until this was reduced under questionable processes. Denying this is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for the government.



You do realise Maduro not only called that election he supported the outcome and the result of the parliament. The last election was called illegitimate because Trump asked the opposition not to run in order to create an illigetimate election narrative. Because since Chavez the CIA have been unable to build an opposition to win a majority vote. One opposition politician ended up still running against Maduro and lost. The far right elitist lackeys need to engage via democratic and political institutions. Which is what the bolivarian revoution does. They can’t just not run in elections or shut down the government when they do get thier way. And worse then get violent when they still don’t get thier way It should also be said that one opposition politician who was disqualified was charged with trying to assinate the president. It’s a bit unfair to say all this constitutes an unfair election. By the way I don’t think you’re as bad as Trump, that would be an insult . [Edited 1/29/19 21:00pm]

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All you are doing is proving my point - You know there are questions. You are not denying there are questions. You are attributing the source and causes of the question to specific internal and external people and organisation. I did not use the term unfair, just that there are questions. The Venezuelan opposition did engage with democratic and political institutions when they won a super majority in the 2015 parliamentary election (only to have this super majority removed by newly appointed judges by the president), just as the US opposition won the lower house in their 2018 parliamentary elections.


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The point I was making was that one one hand the far right here support a president over parliament in regards to the USA but parliament over the president in Venezuela. Conversely, the far left here supports the parliament over the president in the USA but the president over parliament in Venezuela. Each side will argue they are correct and the other side is not and they will all strongly believe in their heart of hearts that they are correct. None of this supports any side commiting violent and intimidating acts, corruption or interferance in another country's economy and politics.



It’s not questionable. the constitution was rewritten with the people.
The people can Rewrite the constitution in Venezuela under certain circumstances.
It’s part of their political system and process.
It was done very democratically with the people rewriting the constitution after the u.s and CIA infiltration of thier parliament.
After they rewrote it (it should be pointed out the majority of people wanted it rewritten because of what was happening)
Another election was held after the amendments.
The u.s have amended thier constitution many times, most of the time it was for reason that were in the people’s interests.


Unlike Australia, Venezuela actually have to vote for thier president and elected officials all the time.
To Venezuela the way Australia picks its prime ministers at times probably seems highly undemocratic (I.e only politicians get to vote)
No one even knew who the current prime minister of Australia was until he was appointed.

Venezuela has a far far more democratic system than we do.
They might actually have what we in the West often refer to as the text book definition of what we imagine democracy to be but have been unable to fully establish.
I.E a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Still, Venezuela can’t invade Australia and remove the prime minister who was actually undemocratically elected.
Unlike Maduro who was elected democratically.









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Reply #46 posted 01/29/19 11:52pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

BombSquad said:

someone should finally have the guts to invade that fucking rotten USA, remove that sick orange piece of shit in office (Americans are obviously to dumb to vote) and throw out that ridiculous political system.
Operation American Freedom ™ Yeah!



it would be a good thing

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^^BUILD THE WALL.

eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek

huh? why? now are you against interventionism or for? make up your confused mind, geeez....

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #47 posted 01/30/19 7:44am

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The U.S still denies it is trying over throw the government. And deny that this Guaido is a CIA puppet.

WASHINGTON — The State Department said Tuesday that it had given the Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó the right to control assets and property in the United States bank accounts of the government of Venezuela.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...nIrkm2IoII




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Reply #48 posted 01/30/19 7:58am

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Dore is on it well:

Opposition is more unpopular.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #49 posted 01/30/19 8:53am

NorthC

Looks like Maduro is willing to talk to the opposition. Let's hope something good comes of it.
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Reply #50 posted 01/30/19 10:18am

13cjk13

IanRG said:

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said: That’s great that you oppose intervention. But you could also be honest about the situation. You don’t have to perpetuate fake far right and CIA propaganda about the left or the Bolivarian revolution in order to create a fake centrist position built on lies about the left. It’s the same tactic Trump used to make himself appear reasonable in Charlotteville when he called peaceful protesters opposing nazis appear as extremists in order to create a fake centrist position. It’s a democractically elected socialist government. Denying that is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for this government. . [Edited 1/29/19 20:03pm]

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Please note all I said was there are questions on the presidental election - To deny this is dishonest. I made no statement about who is right or wrong - just that the far left and the far right in Prince.Org are aligning in favour of the president vs parliament in line with their biases - i.e. far left with Venezuelan president and far right with the US president, both against the majority elected members of at least one house of the respective parliament.

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To be completely honest, rather than spinning that I am being as bad as Trump excusing violence by extremist on one side and inflating it on the other at Charlotteville then you also have to agree that in 2015 there was a democratically elected opposition controlled parliament with a supermajority until this was reduced under questionable processes. Denying this is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for the government.

There were questions here as well. Funny how no other countries stepped in to recognize Hillary as the president and say Trump was illegitimately elected. Could you imagine the outrage here if other countries threatened to overthrow our government because they think our election was rigged? (which it actually was.)

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #51 posted 01/30/19 11:20am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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All you are doing is proving my point - You know there are questions. You are not denying there are questions. You are attributing the source and causes of the question to specific internal and external people and organisation. I did not use the term unfair, just that there are questions. The Venezuelan opposition did engage with democratic and political institutions when they won a super majority in the 2015 parliamentary election (only to have this super majority removed by newly appointed judges by the president), just as the US opposition won the lower house in their 2018 parliamentary elections.

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The point I was making was that one one hand the far right here support a president over parliament in regards to the USA but parliament over the president in Venezuela. Conversely, the far left here supports the parliament over the president in the USA but the president over parliament in Venezuela. Each side will argue they are correct and the other side is not and they will all strongly believe in their heart of hearts that they are correct. None of this supports any side commiting violent and intimidating acts, corruption or interferance in another country's economy and politics.

It’s not questionable. the constitution was rewritten with the people. The people can Rewrite the constitution in Venezuela under certain circumstances. It’s part of their political system and process. It was done very democratically with the people rewriting the constitution after the u.s and CIA infiltration of thier parliament. After they rewrote it (it should be pointed out the majority of people wanted it rewritten because of what was happening) Another election was held after the amendments. The u.s have amended thier constitution many times, most of the time it was for reason that were in the people’s interests. Unlike Australia, Venezuela actually have to vote for thier president and elected officials all the time. To Venezuela the way Australia picks its prime ministers at times probably seems highly undemocratic (I.e only politicians get to vote) No one even knew who the current prime minister of Australia was until he was appointed. Venezuela has a far far more democratic system than we do. They might actually have what we in the West often refer to as the text book definition of what we imagine democracy to be but have been unable to fully establish. I.E a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Still, Venezuela can’t invade Australia and remove the prime minister who was actually undemocratically elected. Unlike Maduro who was elected democratically. . [Edited 1/29/19 23:25pm]

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You are still proving my point by bring up the reasons the Venezuelan people and opposition plus many countries around the world have questioned the Venzuelan elections - This defense is just unprompted answers to the details of the questions that had not been raised - Those holes in your foot are not from me.

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You keep in missing out any commentary on the 2015 election: In this the opposition won and won a super majority with a high proportion of the population voting - government of the people, for the people and by the people (or does this not apply in your mind to this election because they are from the wrong ideological base?). All your defense is because you know of the questions raised against the president's subsequent actions to strip the National Assembly of its powers and increase his powers with less checks and balances. As I said - questionable.

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Your knowledge of Australia, is, as ever, exceptionally poor for someone who says he lives here. No Prime Minister is an undemocratically elected president. Prime Ministers have to be democratically elected from, by and for the people to the lower house before they can be selected as PM - this is no different to what happens in the Venzuelan National Assembly excpet Australia (as you should know) does not have an executive head of state, France, US or Venezuela style (thank God). This means you can never get the situation where an executive president can protect their position by breaking then rewriting the constitution, replacing all the supreme court judges to appoint new ones that will suspend members of parliament and then seek to remove the constitutional rights of the parliament (National Assembly) to pass legislation, imprison potential presidential hopefuls, ban opposition parties from participating in presidential elections etc, etc. As I said - questionable.

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In regards to your Gina Rinehart analogy: People who currently live in Australia know that she is the richest person here but this is only because she is the head the largest family owned Australian mining group here and has cheated her children out of their money. Being the largest family business is kind of like comparing a local chain of stores to Walmart - her mining group is not in the top 10 mining groups in Australia and is a small fraction of their size. She just pays herself better than a corporate group would pay their CEO. She is a joke who tried to influence politics in 2012 and failed to get any real support from any major or even minor party. The biggest news of late was picture of her drunk at the Melbourne Cup horse race.

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IanRG

13cjk13 said:

IanRG said:

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Please note all I said was there are questions on the presidental election - To deny this is dishonest. I made no statement about who is right or wrong - just that the far left and the far right in Prince.Org are aligning in favour of the president vs parliament in line with their biases - i.e. far left with Venezuelan president and far right with the US president, both against the majority elected members of at least one house of the respective parliament.

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To be completely honest, rather than spinning that I am being as bad as Trump excusing violence by extremist on one side and inflating it on the other at Charlotteville then you also have to agree that in 2015 there was a democratically elected opposition controlled parliament with a supermajority until this was reduced under questionable processes. Denying this is an insult to the Venezuelan people who voted for the government.

There were questions here as well. Funny how no other countries stepped in to recognize Hillary as the president and say Trump was illegitimately elected. Could you imagine the outrage here if other countries threatened to overthrow our government because they think our election was rigged? (which it actually was.)

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Exactly. This is what I am saying. Political bias and ideology causes people to defend the indefensible. And they never let inconsistency get in the way of good argument.

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Reply #53 posted 01/30/19 6:13pm

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I just ran the numbers to compare the US and Venezuelan election results:

Trump was voted for by 19.4% of the entire US population in 2016.
Maduro was voted for by 19.5% of the entire Venezuelan population in 2018.
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Reply #54 posted 01/30/19 8:44pm

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nd33 said:

I just ran the numbers to compare the US and Venezuelan election results: Trump was voted for by 19.4% of the entire US population in 2016. Maduro was voted for by 19.5% of the entire Venezuelan population in 2018.

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Of less than 1/5th of the people, for less than 1/5th of the people, by less than 1/5th of the people.

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nd33 said:


I just ran the numbers to compare the US and Venezuelan election results: Trump was voted for by 19.4% of the entire US population in 2016. Maduro was voted for by 19.5% of the entire Venezuelan population in 2018.

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Of less than 1/5th of the people, for less than 1/5th of the people, by less than 1/5th of the people.



Point being, that the narrative that no one within Venezuela supports Maduro being leader is completely bogus. He had the same relative support to get elected that Trump had to get elected.
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Reply #56 posted 01/30/19 9:32pm

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Theresa May was voted for by 20.7% of UK citizens in 2017.

Interesting that all I’ve looked into have hovered around the 20% mark.
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Reply #57 posted 01/30/19 9:51pm

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nd33 said:

IanRG said:

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Of less than 1/5th of the people, for less than 1/5th of the people, by less than 1/5th of the people.

Point being, that the narrative that no one within Venezuela supports Maduro being leader is completely bogus. He had the same relative support to get elected that Trump had to get elected.

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In an election where he imprisoned some potential candidates, banned some opposition parties from participating in the presidential election, had other opposition parties seek to boycott the election, a far smaller proportion of the population than usually vote in Venzuela voted in 2018 because they had no trust in the electoral system after he changed the constitution and electoral process. Voter turnout was down by about 50%. With great chunks of the opposition out of the election by force or boycott, to only get less than 1/5th of vote needs to be compared to other effectively one party states.

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Australia has compulsory voting with more than 90% of eligible voters successfully voting (i.e. voted and the vote was able to be properly counted). With a preferential system the winning party normally get at least 40% of the primary vote. After allocations of preferences they normally get around 50% of the total votes two part preferred.

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Reply #58 posted 01/30/19 10:06pm

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IanRG said:



nd33 said:


IanRG said:


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Of less than 1/5th of the people, for less than 1/5th of the people, by less than 1/5th of the people.



Point being, that the narrative that no one within Venezuela supports Maduro being leader is completely bogus. He had the same relative support to get elected that Trump had to get elected.

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In an election where he imprisoned some potential candidates, banned some opposition parties from participating in the presidential election, had other opposition parties seek to boycott the election, a far smaller proportion of the population than usually vote in Venzuela voted in 2018 because they had no trust in the electoral system after he changed the constitution and electoral process. Voter turnout was down by about 50%. With great chunks of the opposition out of the election by force or boycott, to only get less than 1/5th of vote needs to be compared to other effectively one party states.


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Australia has compulsory voting with more than 90% of eligible voters successfully voting (i.e. voted and the vote was able to be properly counted). With a preferential system the winning party normally get at least 40% of the primary vote. After allocations of preferences they normally get around 50% of the total votes two part preferred.

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In the 2016 Australian election 21.3% of the citizenry voted for Turnbull. I agree voting should be compulsory.
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Reply #59 posted 01/30/19 11:57pm

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IanRG said:

In an election where he imprisoned some potential candidates, banned some opposition parties from participating in the presidential election, had other opposition parties seek to boycott the election, a far smaller proportion of the population than usually vote in Venzuela voted in 2018 because they had no trust in the electoral system after he changed the constitution and electoral process. Voter turnout was down by about 50%. With great chunks of the opposition out of the election by force or boycott, to only get less than 1/5th of vote needs to be compared to other effectively one party states.

same shit happens in many nations, most prominently Russia

yet I do not hear the loud screaming right wing pussies yell "we need to intervene there! they need help!"


spineless hypocritic sissies.
but it fits that they support that fat orange weakest sissie of them all

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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