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Reply #720 posted 02/28/19 4:56pm

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herb4 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Cohen: no collusion? wtf.


there probably wasn't, at least in a formal or legal sense, and I've been saying it for some time.

The real crimes are money laundering, fraud, tax evasion and (worse of all for Donald) the public realization that he's not as wealthy as he pretends to be. All the other stuff is complicated by the fact that this dumb shit decided to run for president.

If he was half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd have been happy to count his money and sit on his fat ass tweeting stupid bullshit while watching TV. The election just brought his OTHER crimes to light.

If there was collusion it was done by somebody else or something he was idiotic enough to stumble into entirely by accident but I don't think collusion is his real problem. It's his financial dealings.


We just don't know yet. neutral


Mueller... Mueller ...Mueller

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Reply #721 posted 02/28/19 5:42pm

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popcorn
Trump Ordered Officials to Give Jared Kushner a Security Clearance
28 February 2019
WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered his chief of staff to grant his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, a top-secret security clearance last year, overruling concerns flagged by intelligence officials and the White House’s top lawyer, four people briefed on the matter said.

Mr. Trump’s decision in May so troubled senior administration officials that at least one, the White House chief of staff at the time, John F. Kelly, wrote a contemporaneous internal memo about how he had been “ordered” to give Mr. Kushner the top-secret clearance. read more at link provided

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Reply #722 posted 02/28/19 5:51pm

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free2bFreeda2 said:

popcorn Trump Ordered Officials to Give Jared Kushner a Security Clearance 28 February 2019 WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered his chief of staff to grant his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, a top-secret security clearance last year, overruling concerns flagged by intelligence officials and the White House’s top lawyer, four people briefed on the matter said. Mr. Trump’s decision in May so troubled senior administration officials that at least one, the White House chief of staff at the time, John F. Kelly, wrote a contemporaneous internal memo about how he had been “ordered” to give Mr. Kushner the top-secret clearance. read more at link provided ⬇

doh!

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Reply #723 posted 02/28/19 9:23pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

herb4 said:


there probably wasn't, at least in a formal or legal sense, and I've been saying it for some time.

The real crimes are money laundering, fraud, tax evasion and (worse of all for Donald) the public realization that he's not as wealthy as he pretends to be. All the other stuff is complicated by the fact that this dumb shit decided to run for president.

If he was half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd have been happy to count his money and sit on his fat ass tweeting stupid bullshit while watching TV. The election just brought his OTHER crimes to light.

If there was collusion it was done by somebody else or something he was idiotic enough to stumble into entirely by accident but I don't think collusion is his real problem. It's his financial dealings.


We just don't know yet. neutral


Mueller... Mueller ...Mueller


Agree, we don't know.

Giuliani has planted the collusion confusion seeds with a few statements -

7/30/2018...Giuliani reiterated his "collusion is not a crime" stance during an appearance on CNN on Monday. "I don't even know if that's a crime — colluding with Russians. Hacking is the crime.

1/17/2019...“I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign,” Rudy Giuliani ...



[Edited 2/28/19 21:32pm]

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Reply #724 posted 03/01/19 9:37am

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poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


We just don't know yet. neutral


Mueller... Mueller ...Mueller


Agree, we don't know.

Giuliani has planted the collusion confusion seeds with a few statements -

7/30/2018...Giuliani reiterated his "collusion is not a crime" stance during an appearance on CNN on Monday. "I don't even know if that's a crime — colluding with Russians. Hacking is the crime.

1/17/2019...“I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign,” Rudy Giuliani ...



[Edited 2/28/19 21:32pm]

It's a clown show. fish

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Reply #725 posted 03/05/19 1:50pm

Musicslave

Are we witnessing white privilege in plain sight or is Judge Amy Berman Jackson just very lenient or did he not violate his bail conditions? Thoughts?

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/roger-stone-amy-berman-jackson-gag-order/index.html

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Judge blasts Roger Stone book release amid gag order

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Washington (CNN)Roger Stone is one step closer -- again -- to being in serious trouble with a federal judge that has let him out on bail.

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Judge Amy Berman Jackson ...on Tuesday that the recent re-release of his book that calls special counsel Robert Mueller "crooked" isn't in line with her strict gag order on his case.
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The order on Tuesday comes as another blow to Stone in the slow march toward his criminal trial.
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After he was arrested in late January for witness intimidation and lying to Congress, Jackson told him he could not speak in and around the federal courthouse and should be careful what he said publicly.
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He then posted on Instagram a picture of Jackson with crosshairs behind her, and so she told him less than two weeks ago he could no longer speak publicly about his case, the court or Mueller.
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The same week she tightened the gag order, a publisher began selling revised copies of Stone's book from two years ago, with a new introduction that criticized the Mueller investigation.

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Jackson hasn't yet found that Stone broke the court's orders, but her assessment of his book re-release on Tuesday condemns his recent actions and makes clear she is taking a long, hard look at whether Stone crossed the line again.
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If she finds that he did, he could be fined or lose his bail and be jailed through his trial. He has pleaded not guilty to his seven criminal charges and is currently living at his home in Florida, with some restrictions placed on his travel.
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"It does not matter when the defendant may have first formulated the opinions expressed, or when he first put them into words: he may no longer share his views on these particular subjects with the world," Jackson wrote on Tuesday.
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"There is no question that the order prohibited and continues to prohibit the defendant from making any public statements, using any medium, concerning the investigation."

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Before Jackson takes additional action, she wants more information from Stone about the book. He has until next week to tell her how he has "come into compliance" with her orders. She also wants him to submit to the court all records of his interactions he had with his publisher and any public statements he made about the book's re-release.
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Jackson's five-page discussion of the book release on Tuesday slaps Stone for several missteps he's made.
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[Edited 3/6/19 6:51am]

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Reply #726 posted 03/05/19 3:40pm

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Musicslave said:

Are witnessing white privilege in plain sight or is Judge Amy Berman Jackson just very lenient or did he not violate his bail conditions? Thoughts?

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/roger-stone-amy-berman-jackson-gag-order/index.html

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Judge blasts Roger Stone book release amid gag order

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Washington (CNN)Roger Stone is one step closer -- again -- to being in serious trouble with a federal judge that has let him out on bail.

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Judge Amy Berman Jackson ...on Tuesday that the recent re-release of his book that calls special counsel Robert Mueller "crooked" isn't in line with her strict gag order on his case.
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The order on Tuesday comes as another blow to Stone in the slow march toward his criminal trial.
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After he was arrested in late January for witness intimidation and lying to Congress, Jackson told him he could not speak in and around the federal courthouse and should be careful what he said publicly.
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He then posted on Instagram a picture of Jackson with crosshairs behind her, and so she told him less than two weeks ago he could no longer speak publicly about his case, the court or Mueller.
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The same week she tightened the gag order, a publisher began selling revised copies of Stone's book from two years ago, with a new introduction that criticized the Mueller investigation.

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Jackson hasn't yet found that Stone broke the court's orders, but her assessment of his book re-release on Tuesday condemns his recent actions and makes clear she is taking a long, hard look at whether Stone crossed the line again.
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If she finds that he did, he could be fined or lose his bail and be jailed through his trial. He has pleaded not guilty to his seven criminal charges and is currently living at his home in Florida, with some restrictions placed on his travel.
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"It does not matter when the defendant may have first formulated the opinions expressed, or when he first put them into words: he may no longer share his views on these particular subjects with the world," Jackson wrote on Tuesday.
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"There is no question that the order prohibited and continues to prohibit the defendant from making any public statements, using any medium, concerning the investigation."

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Before Jackson takes additional action, she wants more information from Stone about the book. He has until next week to tell her how he has "come into compliance" with her orders. She also wants him to submit to the court all records of his interactions he had with his publisher and any public statements he made about the book's re-release.
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Jackson's five-page discussion of the book release on Tuesday slaps Stone for several missteps he's made.
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[Edited 3/5/19 13:52pm]


Throw this idiot in jail already!

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Reply #727 posted 03/05/19 6:56pm

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I watched these today. Each video is about 45 minutes long, but it's really good, and it puts it all out there. This is from an Australian news station.





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Reply #728 posted 03/06/19 4:59am

poppys

Musicslave said:

Are witnessing white privilege in plain sight or is Judge Amy Berman Jackson just very lenient or did he not violate his bail conditions? Thoughts?

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/roger-stone-amy-berman-jackson-gag-order/index.html

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Judge blasts Roger Stone book release amid gag order

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Washington (CNN)Roger Stone is one step closer -- again -- to being in serious trouble with a federal judge that has let him out on bail.

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Judge Amy Berman Jackson ...on Tuesday that the recent re-release of his book that calls special counsel Robert Mueller "crooked" isn't in line with her strict gag order on his case.
-
The order on Tuesday comes as another blow to Stone in the slow march toward his criminal trial.
-
After he was arrested in late January for witness intimidation and lying to Congress, Jackson told him he could not speak in and around the federal courthouse and should be careful what he said publicly.
-
He then posted on Instagram a picture of Jackson with crosshairs behind her, and so she told him less than two weeks ago he could no longer speak publicly about his case, the court or Mueller.
-
The same week she tightened the gag order, a publisher began selling revised copies of Stone's book from two years ago, with a new introduction that criticized the Mueller investigation.

-

Jackson hasn't yet found that Stone broke the court's orders, but her assessment of his book re-release on Tuesday condemns his recent actions and makes clear she is taking a long, hard look at whether Stone crossed the line again.
-
If she finds that he did, he could be fined or lose his bail and be jailed through his trial. He has pleaded not guilty to his seven criminal charges and is currently living at his home in Florida, with some restrictions placed on his travel.
-
"It does not matter when the defendant may have first formulated the opinions expressed, or when he first put them into words: he may no longer share his views on these particular subjects with the world," Jackson wrote on Tuesday.
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"There is no question that the order prohibited and continues to prohibit the defendant from making any public statements, using any medium, concerning the investigation."

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Before Jackson takes additional action, she wants more information from Stone about the book. He has until next week to tell her how he has "come into compliance" with her orders. She also wants him to submit to the court all records of his interactions he had with his publisher and any public statements he made about the book's re-release.
-
Jackson's five-page discussion of the book release on Tuesday slaps Stone for several missteps he's made.
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Yes to
privilege. The judge too. She needed to draw the line at the crosshairs photo. Is the gag order thing that delicate? The preface criticizing the Mueller investigation should be enough. Seems like he is playing her.

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Reply #729 posted 03/06/19 6:02am

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poppys said:

Musicslave said:

Are witnessing white privilege in plain sight or is Judge Amy Berman Jackson just very lenient or did he not violate his bail conditions? Thoughts?

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/roger-stone-amy-berman-jackson-gag-order/index.html

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Judge blasts Roger Stone book release amid gag order

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Washington (CNN)Roger Stone is one step closer -- again -- to being in serious trouble with a federal judge that has let him out on bail.

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Judge Amy Berman Jackson ...on Tuesday that the recent re-release of his book that calls special counsel Robert Mueller "crooked" isn't in line with her strict gag order on his case.
-
The order on Tuesday comes as another blow to Stone in the slow march toward his criminal trial.
-
After he was arrested in late January for witness intimidation and lying to Congress, Jackson told him he could not speak in and around the federal courthouse and should be careful what he said publicly.
-
He then posted on Instagram a picture of Jackson with crosshairs behind her, and so she told him less than two weeks ago he could no longer speak publicly about his case, the court or Mueller.
-
The same week she tightened the gag order, a publisher began selling revised copies of Stone's book from two years ago, with a new introduction that criticized the Mueller investigation.

-

Jackson hasn't yet found that Stone broke the court's orders, but her assessment of his book re-release on Tuesday condemns his recent actions and makes clear she is taking a long, hard look at whether Stone crossed the line again.
-
If she finds that he did, he could be fined or lose his bail and be jailed through his trial. He has pleaded not guilty to his seven criminal charges and is currently living at his home in Florida, with some restrictions placed on his travel.
-
"It does not matter when the defendant may have first formulated the opinions expressed, or when he first put them into words: he may no longer share his views on these particular subjects with the world," Jackson wrote on Tuesday.
-
"There is no question that the order prohibited and continues to prohibit the defendant from making any public statements, using any medium, concerning the investigation."

-

Before Jackson takes additional action, she wants more information from Stone about the book. He has until next week to tell her how he has "come into compliance" with her orders. She also wants him to submit to the court all records of his interactions he had with his publisher and any public statements he made about the book's re-release.
-
Jackson's five-page discussion of the book release on Tuesday slaps Stone for several missteps he's made.
-


Yes to
privilege. The judge too. She needed to draw the line at the crosshairs photo. Is the gag order thing that delicate? The preface criticizing the Mueller investigation should be enough. Seems like he is playing her.


Stone is due back in court Monday to explain himself - beg let her take actoin on this.

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Reply #730 posted 03/06/19 6:51am

Musicslave

poppys said:

Musicslave said:

Are witnessing white privilege in plain sight or is Judge Amy Berman Jackson just very lenient or did he not violate his bail conditions? Thoughts?

-

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/roger-stone-amy-berman-jackson-gag-order/index.html

-

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Judge blasts Roger Stone book release amid gag order

-

Washington (CNN)Roger Stone is one step closer -- again -- to being in serious trouble with a federal judge that has let him out on bail.

-

Judge Amy Berman Jackson ...on Tuesday that the recent re-release of his book that calls special counsel Robert Mueller "crooked" isn't in line with her strict gag order on his case.
-
The order on Tuesday comes as another blow to Stone in the slow march toward his criminal trial.
-
After he was arrested in late January for witness intimidation and lying to Congress, Jackson told him he could not speak in and around the federal courthouse and should be careful what he said publicly.
-
He then posted on Instagram a picture of Jackson with crosshairs behind her, and so she told him less than two weeks ago he could no longer speak publicly about his case, the court or Mueller.
-
The same week she tightened the gag order, a publisher began selling revised copies of Stone's book from two years ago, with a new introduction that criticized the Mueller investigation.

-

Jackson hasn't yet found that Stone broke the court's orders, but her assessment of his book re-release on Tuesday condemns his recent actions and makes clear she is taking a long, hard look at whether Stone crossed the line again.
-
If she finds that he did, he could be fined or lose his bail and be jailed through his trial. He has pleaded not guilty to his seven criminal charges and is currently living at his home in Florida, with some restrictions placed on his travel.
-
"It does not matter when the defendant may have first formulated the opinions expressed, or when he first put them into words: he may no longer share his views on these particular subjects with the world," Jackson wrote on Tuesday.
-
"There is no question that the order prohibited and continues to prohibit the defendant from making any public statements, using any medium, concerning the investigation."

-

Before Jackson takes additional action, she wants more information from Stone about the book. He has until next week to tell her how he has "come into compliance" with her orders. She also wants him to submit to the court all records of his interactions he had with his publisher and any public statements he made about the book's re-release.
-
Jackson's five-page discussion of the book release on Tuesday slaps Stone for several missteps he's made.
-


Yes to
privilege. The judge too. She needed to draw the line at the crosshairs photo. Is the gag order thing that delicate? The preface criticizing the Mueller investigation should be enough. Seems like he is playing her.

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I'm not one to quickly go there when it comes to that but geez. The dude is practically begging or daring her to put him in jail. I think he wants to make himself a martyr but he needs her to do her part by revoking his bail and putting him in jail.

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He wants to paint the picture that Judge Jackson is merely an Obama appointed judge who has it in for him. The problem with that approach is, she's already been lenient with him. So if or when she actually does get fed up and put him in the slammer, that argument won't hold any weight. However, that's not going to stop him from trying to spin that foolish narrative.

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Reply #731 posted 03/06/19 6:54am

Musicslave

DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


Yes to
privilege. The judge too. She needed to draw the line at the crosshairs photo. Is the gag order thing that delicate? The preface criticizing the Mueller investigation should be enough. Seems like he is playing her.


Stone is due back in court Monday to explain himself - beg let her take actoin on this.

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Let's hope so. At this point he's making a mockery of our judicial system.

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Reply #732 posted 03/06/19 7:47am

poppys

Musicslave said:

poppys said:


Yes to
privilege. The judge too. She needed to draw the line at the crosshairs photo. Is the gag order thing that delicate? The preface criticizing the Mueller investigation should be enough. Seems like he is playing her.

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I'm not one to quickly go there when it comes to that but geez. The dude is practically begging or daring her to put him in jail. I think he wants to make himself a martyr but he needs her to do her part by revoking his bail and putting him in jail.

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He wants to paint the picture that Judge Jackson is merely an Obama appointed judge who has it in for him. The problem with that approach is, she's already been lenient with him. So if or when she actually does get fed up and put him in the slammer, that argument won't hold any weight. However, that's not going to stop him from trying to spin that foolish narrative.


Good point. So much for the judicial system. He loves getting dragged back to court, publicity is his wheelhouse. Hope she comes up with something soon to mess him up.

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Reply #733 posted 03/07/19 4:12pm

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Manafort was sentenced to 47 months (with time served). He'll serve approximately 38 months in prison, after being convicted of 8 separate crimes in this criminal court.

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Reply #734 posted 03/07/19 4:22pm

poppys

benni said:

Manafort was sentenced to 47 months (with time served). He'll serve approximately 38 months in prison, after being convicted of 8 separate crimes in this criminal court.


travesty

cbsnews.com 2/23/19

...Mueller is not recommending a specific sentencing punishment for Manafort. The sentencing guideline range for Manafort is 210 months to 262 months, or 17 1/2 to nearly 22 years.

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Reply #735 posted 03/07/19 4:50pm

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Hell, I've had car loans that last longer then his sentence.

benni said:

Manafort was sentenced to 47 months (with time served). He'll serve approximately 38 months in prison, after being convicted of 8 separate crimes in this criminal court.

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Reply #736 posted 03/07/19 5:00pm

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benni said:

Manafort was sentenced to 47 months (with time served). He'll serve approximately 38 months in prison, after being convicted of 8 separate crimes in this criminal court.


Yes, because he gets a 1/3 off each year before he enters prison. He’ll probably do less than 38 months for other good behavior credits, while serving.
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Reply #737 posted 03/08/19 4:02am

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Anyone still under any delusions about how this shit works now? "Justice" I mean? Rich white men who steal millions of dollars do not go to prison. We reserve that for non violent 3rd strike pot dealers.

Trump is gonna walk

[Edited 3/8/19 4:02am]

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Reply #738 posted 03/08/19 5:17am

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herb4 said:

Anyone still under any delusions about how this shit works now? "Justice" I mean? Rich white men who steal millions of dollars do not go to prison. We reserve that for non violent 3rd strike pot dealers.

Trump is gonna walk

[Edited 3/8/19 4:02am]


Kind of looks that way.
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Reply #739 posted 03/08/19 5:18am

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PennyPurple said:

Hell, I've had car loans that last longer then his sentence.




benni said:


Manafort was sentenced to 47 months (with time served). He'll serve approximately 38 months in prison, after being convicted of 8 separate crimes in this criminal court.



Small-time criminals serve longer sentences than he will.
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Reply #740 posted 03/08/19 5:35am

13cjk13

2elijah said:

benni said:

Manafort was sentenced to 47 months (with time served). He'll serve approximately 38 months in prison, after being convicted of 8 separate crimes in this criminal court.

Yes, because he gets a 1/3 off each year before he enters prison. He’ll probably do less than 38 months for other good behavior credits, while serving.

He still has sentencing in the Southern District. Hopefully this piece of shit will die in prison with 45 in the cell next to him.

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Reply #741 posted 03/08/19 7:23am

poppys

2elijah said:

PennyPurple said:


Hell, I've had car loans that last longer then his sentence.


Small-time criminals serve longer sentences than he will.


And yet that is part of what the judge used to give him a nothing sentence. Judge Ellis is biased, I'm so disgusted. Blameless life my ass, he just never got caught before Mueller.

Manafort had faced up to 24 years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines, but U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis called that calculation “excessive” and sentenced him instead to 47 months.

Ellis said the sentence he imposed was more in line with others who had been convicted on similar crimes...

...But the judge expressed some sympathy for Manafort,...“He’s lived an otherwise blameless life,” Ellis said. The judged noted Manafort has no past criminal history and “earned the admiration of a number of people” who wrote letters to the court support Manafort.

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Reply #742 posted 03/08/19 11:49am

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poppys said:

2elijah said:

PennyPurple said:
Small-time criminals serve longer sentences than he will.


And yet that is part of what the judge used to give him a nothing sentence. Judge Ellis is biased, I'm so disgusted. Blameless life my ass, he just never got caught before Mueller.

Manafort had faced up to 24 years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines, but U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis called that calculation “excessive” and sentenced him instead to 47 months.

Ellis said the sentence he imposed was more in line with others who had been convicted on similar crimes...

...But the judge expressed some sympathy for Manafort,...“He’s lived an otherwise blameless life,” Ellis said. The judged noted Manafort has no past criminal history and “earned the admiration of a number of people” who wrote letters to the court support Manafort.

Ellis was irritating throughout those hearings... semi-dementia

We'll see what happens next week - different judge differnt sentence

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Reply #743 posted 03/08/19 11:50am

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13cjk13 said:

2elijah said:

benni said: Yes, because he gets a 1/3 off each year before he enters prison. He’ll probably do less than 38 months for other good behavior credits, while serving.

He still has sentencing in the Southern District. Hopefully this piece of shit will die in prison with 45 in the cell next to him.


Nah, they should share a cell lol

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Reply #744 posted 03/08/19 12:08pm

13cjk13

DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


And yet that is part of what the judge used to give him a nothing sentence. Judge Ellis is biased, I'm so disgusted. Blameless life my ass, he just never got caught before Mueller.

Manafort had faced up to 24 years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines, but U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis called that calculation “excessive” and sentenced him instead to 47 months.

Ellis said the sentence he imposed was more in line with others who had been convicted on similar crimes...

...But the judge expressed some sympathy for Manafort,...“He’s lived an otherwise blameless life,” Ellis said. The judged noted Manafort has no past criminal history and “earned the admiration of a number of people” who wrote letters to the court support Manafort.

Ellis was irritating throughout those hearings... semi-dementia

We'll see what happens next week - different judge differnt sentence

Rich white men protecting their own.

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Reply #745 posted 03/08/19 1:54pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


And yet that is part of what the judge used to give him a nothing sentence. Judge Ellis is biased, I'm so disgusted. Blameless life my ass, he just never got caught before Mueller.


Manafort had faced up to 24 years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines, but U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis called that calculation “excessive” and sentenced him instead to 47 months.

Ellis said the sentence he imposed was more in line with others who had been convicted on similar crimes...

...But the judge expressed some sympathy for Manafort,...“He’s lived an otherwise blameless life,” Ellis said. The judged noted Manafort has no past criminal history and “earned the admiration of a number of people” who wrote letters to the court support Manafort.

Ellis was irritating throughout those hearings... semi-dementia

We'll see what happens next week - different judge different sentence


nod Yes, that's what we have to look forward to.

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Reply #746 posted 03/09/19 5:26am

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Lets swap mandatory minimums for drug crimes over to financial crimes. That’s where we actually need them.
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Reply #748 posted 03/10/19 12:45pm

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Lmao! Somebody finally told off that racist, conman, tax cheat and biggest hoaxter, who lies, lies and tells more lies, to the American public. clapping
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Reply #749 posted 03/10/19 2:58pm

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Lmao! Somebody finally told off that racist, conman, tax cheat and biggest hoaxter, who lies, lies and tells more lies, to the American public. clapping


lol so true! Ugh... it's so embarrassing that the potus is such an infantile asshole.

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