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Thread started 01/05/19 10:04pm

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It’s time to recognize Sally Hemings as a first lady of the United States

Very interesting article in the L.A. Times.


https://www.latimes.com/o...CRI7pu23jA

It is now widely understood that my ancestor Sally Hemings, an enslaved black woman, was the intimate companion of Thomas Jefferson for nearly four decades.

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Reply #1 posted 01/06/19 1:23am

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I saw a movie about this some years ago! Very interesting...I believe there was DNA testing done on several of the Hemings/Jefferson descendants that proved a genetic link. Fascinating, thank you for sharing.
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Reply #2 posted 01/06/19 9:10am

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Interesting read, thanks luv. I wonder if she loved him? He never remarried after her either.

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What's sick is she was 14 years old when he first got some.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Well she was a 'mulatta' not a black woman. Not a term used during her time.

And he didn't marry her, so she was never his wife.

However, the term "first lady" would not come into common use until the late 1800s.Harriet Lane, niece of bachelor President James Buchanan, was the first woman to be called first lady while actually serving in that position.

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What's sick is she was 14 years old when he first got some.

That age for marriage and child bearing was the norm for most of human civilization. Especially when so many people did not live past 30.

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I demand the same for Stormy Daniels and Monika Lewinsky

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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I saw a movie about this some years ago! Very interesting...I believe there was DNA testing done on several of the Hemings/Jefferson descendants that proved a genetic link. Fascinating, thank you for sharing.

I have a book called the Descendants of Sally Hemings and Jefferson, something like that.

And it's pretty deep. I believe there is an annual 'reunion' of all of his descendants, the white one and the mixed ones.

Frederick Madison Roberts (September 14, 1879 – July 19, 1952) was an American newspaper owner and editor, educator and business owner; he became a politician, the first known man of African American descent elected to the California State Assembly. He served there for 16 years and became known as "dean of the assembly." He has been honored as the first person of African-American mixed descent to be elected to public office among the states on the West Coast.

Roberts was a great-grandson of Sally Hemings of Monticello and President Thomas Jefferson.

Roberts was born on September 14, 1879 in Chillicothe, Ohio, the son of Andrew Jackson Roberts (1852–1927), a graduate of Oberlin College, and Ellen Wayles Hemings (1856–1940), the daughter of Madison Hemings and Mary Hughes McCoy, a free woman of color. Ellen was 5'10" with blue eyes, and the granddaughter of Sally Hemings and Thomas Jefferson. (When the Jefferson biographer Fawn Brodie saw a family photo of Ellen, she said she could see the strong resemblance to Jefferson.)[1]

When Frederick was six, his family moved in 1885 to Los Angeles, where his father established the first black-owned mortuary in the city. The Roberts had a second son, William Giles Roberts. They and their descendants became prominent in the Los Angeles area, with a strong tradition of college education, and working in public service.[1] Frederick Roberts attended Los Angeles High School and became its first known graduate of African-American descent.

Roberts began college at the University of Southern California (USC) where he majored in pre-law. He continued at Colorado College, where he graduated. He also attended the Barnes-Worsham School of Embalming and Mortuary Science.

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1924–2011
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Madison Hemings Family
Residence (at time of interview):
Munich, Germany
Gloria Roberts, daughter of Pearl Hinds and Frederick Madison Roberts, graduated from the University of Southern California and studied at the Juilliard School of Music. She lived most of her life in Europe, where she pursued a career as a concert pianist and accompanist, specializing in African American spirituals and the music of George Gershwin as well as European classical composers. She lived as a child in the household of her grandmother Ellen Hemings Roberts and remembers her well.

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1934–2007
Family:
Madison Hemings Family
Residence (at time of interview):
Los Angeles, CA
Patricia Roberts, daughter of Pearl Hinds and Frederick Madison Roberts, attended business school at St. Louis University and returned to live in Los Angeles. After years in business and as an executive secretary and insurance agent, she took great pleasure in retirement as a teacher of young children.

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Ellen Wayles Hemings

Ellen Wayles Hemings, the youngest child of Madison and Mary Hemings, married her next-door neighbor Andrew Jackson Roberts in 1878. In 1887 they left southern Ohio for Los Angeles, a city in the midst of a land boom. A. J. Roberts first engaged in the hauling business and later established the first coloured-owned mortuary in Los Angeles. Both Robertses were active members of the Baptist church.

Ellen and A. J. Roberts’s sons, Frederick Madison Roberts, a member of the California assembly, and William Giles Roberts, joined the family undertaking firm, as did Ivan Saunders, husband of their daughter Myrtle Estelle Roberts. Her grandchildren revered Ellen Hemings Roberts, who they remember as tall, fair-skinned, and blue-eyed, “very aristocratic” and quiet, but with a sharp wit. They never heard her talk about her life in Ohio or her connection to Thomas Jefferson.

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Originated from his slaves!!

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Reply #10 posted 01/07/19 7:13am

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2freaky4church1 said:


What's sick is she was 14 years old when he first got some.




That age for marriage and child bearing was the norm for most of human civilization. Especially when so many people did not live past 30.


That's not completely true. A lot of infants died in previous centuries, but there were also plenty of people who lived to a ripe old age. Just not as many as today. But yeah, the idea that you're mature at 18 is a pretty recent invention. And as for making a president's mistress First Lady centuries afterwards, that is, of course, nonsense. Then we might as well make Madame Du Barry or Madame Du Pompadour Queen of France posthumously. But I guess it was a way to draw attention to the article.
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OldFriends4Sale said:

That age for marriage and child bearing was the norm for most of human civilization. Especially when so many people did not live past 30.

That's not completely true. A lot of infants died in previous centuries, but there were also plenty of people who lived to a ripe old age. Just not as many as today. But yeah, the idea that you're mature at 18 is a pretty recent invention. And as for making a president's mistress First Lady centuries afterwards, that is, of course, nonsense. Then we might as well make Madame Du Barry or Madame Du Pompadour Queen of France posthumously. But I guess it was a way to draw attention to the article.

I know people lived longer lives too, I mean the people dying in their 30s and 40s was very common. Diseases, wars etc Waiting till 20s 30s and even 40s like we do today is a matter of convenience. And we have so much more option for the human race and women. Back then what were the options for women in the 1700s?

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you're born, you eat, you have sex, you survive, you die is the human experience, all the other stuff is just to abide the passages of time

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Well she was a 'mulatta' not a black woman. Not a term used during her time.

And he didn't marry her, so she was never his wife.

However, the term "first lady" would not come into common use until the late 1800s.Harriet Lane, niece of bachelor President James Buchanan, was the first woman to be called first lady while actually serving in that position.

Ms. Hemings was a Black woman and she was a slave. My great-parents were emancipated slaves, by great-grandfather was

the child of the Slave master. All Black folks are mullatos if you are going to go down that road. Mullato is a made-up word by whites to maintain power.

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‘She Was Part of This Family’: Jefferson Descendants Reflect on Sally Hemings Exhibit



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/jefferson-sally-hemings-descendants.html


June 16, 2018 -CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Hundreds of people count themselves as descendants of Thomas Jefferson. And their numbers grew substantially after a DNA test in 1998 bolstered the case for Jefferson’s paternity of the children of Sally Hemings, his slave. That revelation spawned a feud between Hemings and Jefferson descendants over who would be allowed at sprawling Jefferson meetings. To this day, some white descendants of Jefferson deny that he had a sexual relationship with Hemings.

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Well she was a 'mulatta' not a black woman. Not a term used during her time.

And he didn't marry her, so she was never his wife.

However, the term "first lady" would not come into common use until the late 1800s.Harriet Lane, niece of bachelor President James Buchanan, was the first woman to be called first lady while actually serving in that position.

Ms. Hemings was a Black woman and she was a slave. My great-parents were emancipated slaves, by great-grandfather was

the child of the Slave master. All Black folks are mullatos if you are going to go down that road. Mullato is a made-up word by whites to maintain power.

She wasn't a 'black' woman. She was a mixed woman. Your using 1970- venacular for the 1700s. You cannot go back through history and change terms and add or subtract what you don't like. That goes for all areas of life. Like calling Africans in 1600 Black People. or Europeans in 1700 White People. Or men who had sex with men -Gay.

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All Black folks are not mulattoes. If that is the truth then so are all 'White' folk in America. There are large populations of Black Americans who are not mixed. And you have those who are of predominate African and Native American bloodlines. That would not be 'mulatto'.

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Black is a made up word to for Social Political means. The Human race 'makes up words' to define what is. That is a part of being human. When the term Mulato(Spanish) Mulatre(French) was created it had nothing to do with maintaining a white power structure. Especially since that power structure did not exist. You're thinking from current times and looking back to redefine history. The Spanish did not see themselves the same as the French the French hated the English the English thought they were better than all the others and Irish were the low of lowest. Your idea of a 'white' identity was not even a reality when the term 'mulatto' was invented. And mixed people and African were not seen as the same. Even if they were both slaves. The Spanish were trying to maintain the power of Spain, the English were trying to maintain the power of England etc. And they were at war with each other in the 'new world' on the Atlantic seas and in the old country.

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And since you want to bring up white definitions. Africans don't see mixed people as the same as non mixed ethnic Africans.

mulato.

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Now the ONE DROP RULE was invented by whites to maintain power. So think about that term and how it came to be incorporated into the Black power social politics.

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THE LIFE OF SALLY HEMINGS


https://www.monticello.org/sallyhemings/?ref=home




This is a good site.

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I have this one too

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There are so many videos out there of the descendants.

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I demand the same for Stormy Daniels and Monika Lewinsky



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