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Reply #690 posted 02/14/19 2:28pm

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Musicslave said:

RodeoSchro said:



I think he might sign it, and then steal money from the military and from disaster relief funds (blue states and Puerto Rico only!) and try to build WALL that way.

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You called it Rodeo. He's doing both. Now we just need to see where he's planning to pull the money from.....

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https://www.apnews.com/24d64c6848864248afb4260cbec499fd

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Senate passes border security plan

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on Congress’ border security measure and President Donald Trump (all times local):

4:22 p.m.

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The Senate has passed a bipartisan border security plan that would finance 55 additional miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, significantly less than President Donald Trump wanted.

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The vote came shortly after the White House announced he’ll sign the measure — and immediately announce he’ll use emergency powers to build additional miles without approval from Congress.

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The 83-16 Senate vote advances the measure to the House for a vote Thursday night that would send it to Trump for his signature in time to avert another partial government shutdown this weekend.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has previously said he opposes the use of emergency powers, said he will support Trump’s decision to use them.

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The border security plan is part of a broader $333 billion spending bill.

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Surprise. surprise Mitch. Of course you'll support the man who has your balls in a stranglehold. (As always.)

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Mitch McConnell is horrible human being - a liar and a YES man - no backbone or conscience. disbelief


Is the burden of proof that there is an "emergency" on the WH when this is challenged in court?

^ Just looked it up:

If Mr. Trump declares that the situation along the southern border suddenly constitutes an emergency that justifies building a wall without explicit congressional sanction, he will run up against a reality: that the facts on the ground have not drastically shifted. The number of people crossing...unlawfully is far down from its peak of nearly two decades ago. The recent caravans from Central America primarily consist of migrants who are not trying to sneak across the border but instead are presenting themselves to border officials and requesting asylum.

And while Mr. Trump and his aides keep claiming that terrorists are sneaking in across the border, including assertions that they are doing so by the thousands, as a matter of empirical reality, there has been no such instance in the modern era.

Still, as a matter of legal procedure, facts may be irrelevant. Before a court could decide that Mr. Trump had cynically declared an emergency under false pretenses, the court would first have to decide that the law permits judges to substitute their own thinking for the president’s in such a matter. The Justice Department would surely argue that courts should instead defer to the president’s determination.

“If any court would actually let itself review whether this is a national emergency, he would be in big trouble,” Ms. Goitein said. “I think it would be an abuse of power to declare an emergency where none exists. The problem is that Congress has enabled that abuse of power by putting virtually no limits on the president’s ability to declare an emergency.”

Why did Congress give presidents such broad power?

In part by accident. When passing many emergency-powers laws, Congress attached a procedure that would let lawmakers override any particular invocation of that authority. The National Emergencies Act, for example, permitted Congress to rescind an emergency if both the House and the Senate voted for a resolution rejecting the president’s determination that one existed.

But in 1983, the Supreme Court struck down such legislative vetoes. The justices ruled that for a congressional act to have legal effect, it must be presented to the president for signature or veto. Because it takes two-thirds of both chambers to override a veto, the ruling significantly eroded the check and balance against abuse that lawmakers had intended to be part of their delegation of standby emergency powers to presidents.

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Reply #691 posted 02/14/19 6:08pm

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PennyPurple said:

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OMG just saw this - hilarious!

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Reply #692 posted 02/14/19 6:13pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Musicslave said:

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You called it Rodeo. He's doing both. Now we just need to see where he's planning to pull the money from.....

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https://www.apnews.com/24d64c6848864248afb4260cbec499fd

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Senate passes border security plan

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on Congress’ border security measure and President Donald Trump (all times local):

4:22 p.m.

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The Senate has passed a bipartisan border security plan that would finance 55 additional miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, significantly less than President Donald Trump wanted.

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The vote came shortly after the White House announced he’ll sign the measure — and immediately announce he’ll use emergency powers to build additional miles without approval from Congress.

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The 83-16 Senate vote advances the measure to the House for a vote Thursday night that would send it to Trump for his signature in time to avert another partial government shutdown this weekend.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has previously said he opposes the use of emergency powers, said he will support Trump’s decision to use them.

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The border security plan is part of a broader $333 billion spending bill.

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Surprise. surprise Mitch. Of course you'll support the man who has your balls in a stranglehold. (As always.)

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[Edited 2/14/19 13:46pm]


Mitch McConnell is horrible human being - a liar and a YES man - no backbone or conscience. disbelief


Is the burden of proof that there is an "emergency" on the WH when this is challenged in court?

^ Just looked it up:

If Mr. Trump declares that the situation along the southern border suddenly constitutes an emergency that justifies building a wall without explicit congressional sanction, he will run up against a reality: that the facts on the ground have not drastically shifted. The number of people crossing...unlawfully is far down from its peak of nearly two decades ago. The recent caravans from Central America primarily consist of migrants who are not trying to sneak across the border but instead are presenting themselves to border officials and requesting asylum.

And while Mr. Trump and his aides keep claiming that terrorists are sneaking in across the border, including assertions that they are doing so by the thousands, as a matter of empirical reality, there has been no such instance in the modern era.

Still, as a matter of legal procedure, facts may be irrelevant. Before a court could decide that Mr. Trump had cynically declared an emergency under false pretenses, the court would first have to decide that the law permits judges to substitute their own thinking for the president’s in such a matter. The Justice Department would surely argue that courts should instead defer to the president’s determination.

“If any court would actually let itself review whether this is a national emergency, he would be in big trouble,” Ms. Goitein said. “I think it would be an abuse of power to declare an emergency where none exists. The problem is that Congress has enabled that abuse of power by putting virtually no limits on the president’s ability to declare an emergency.”

Why did Congress give presidents such broad power?

In part by accident. When passing many emergency-powers laws, Congress attached a procedure that would let lawmakers override any particular invocation of that authority. The National Emergencies Act, for example, permitted Congress to rescind an emergency if both the House and the Senate voted for a resolution rejecting the president’s determination that one existed.

But in 1983, the Supreme Court struck down such legislative vetoes. The justices ruled that for a congressional act to have legal effect, it must be presented to the president for signature or veto. Because it takes two-thirds of both chambers to override a veto, the ruling significantly eroded the check and balance against abuse that lawmakers had intended to be part of their delegation of standby emergency powers to presidents.


Interesting stuff, Dimi.

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Reply #693 posted 02/14/19 8:22pm

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So basically we are screwed?

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Reply #694 posted 02/14/19 10:46pm

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the following is very interesting:
Opinion |
The Real Problem With Trump's National Emergency Plan

feb 14 2019
6 hours ago ·
Or as Humpty Dumpty says to Alice, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither
: https://www.google.com/am...y.amp.html
President Trump is verging on a declaration of national emergency — purely in order to fund his wall. And if he does, the courts may — or may not — reject his gambit.

But the fact that he may actually possess the legal authority to require agencies to waste billions of dollars simply to fulfill a foolish campaign promise he thinks won him the election is itself scandalous. The theatrics surrounding his petulant threat to do so obscure a vital question for our democracy going far beyond this (non)crisis, a question to which Congress should immediately turn: Who decides what constitutes a national emergency?

i really wish there were some way to sue this trumpty mofo for all the stress he is causing for "we the people with his childish shenanigans....dude is acting as mad as king george did back,.....way back in the day.
trumpty's doctor just checked his body health-wise and said, except for his being about 25lbs over weight, he's in good health." my question is, when are the going to check/test his mental health?

in reality, imo he's managed to victimized the majority of the american citizenry.
😨👈👀 and i for one am experiencing mega political fatigue.

GHTF back onto the golf course full time with full retirement, and an orange parachute benefits package before he falls off the wall of his illusions, and take us and this whole nation with him.

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Reply #695 posted 02/14/19 11:42pm

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Reply #696 posted 02/14/19 11:43pm

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Reply #697 posted 02/15/19 7:35am

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PennyPurple said:

So basically we are screwed?



Been doing a lot of reserach and while it would seem that his declaring an emergency is a choice - - there are lots of reasons to believe it isn't viable. The provision was created in case of a REAL emergency (i.e. the country was under attack) and Congress could not convene fast enough to appropriate the necessary funding and directives to combat the emergency. However, this is NOT that scenario. The definition of "emergency" will be afront of what is certain to be blocked in the courts immediately. And guess what? Congress did not even need his signature on the bill - it was passed in both houses by a veto-proof majority.

To name a few ...


1) He has been in office for two years with a majority in both houses and this issue was never brought up for a vote. It was a campaign promise of his and only his - no other candidate called the border an emergency - no border city - no southern state.

2) Statistics do not support his accusations that a severe amount of drugs and criminals are entering the country through the southern borders

3) The numbers do not show an increase of people entering at the southern border, but a decrease in recent years.

8 Billion of tax payer money to build HIS wall?

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