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Thread started 12/06/18 4:59pm

onlyforaminute

What's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin now?

Republicans in Wisconsin and Michigan Aim to Hobble Incoming Democrats


https://www.theatlantic.c...ts/577420/




...both states are embroiled in bitter postelection struggles over a flurry of proposals from the GOP-controlled legislatures to limit the power of the incoming statewide Democratic officials—and to dilute the voting power of the urban-based coalitions that elected them. Wisconsin Republicans passed a sweeping package of such bills early Wednesday morning.






Sounds like anything goes. Pretty soon it'll just be a game of, anything you can do, I can do better...


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Reply #1 posted 12/06/18 5:01pm

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haha.... but yeah this is jacked up and can only come back to bite them later. I know where I live the governor has pretty limited power. But that is long established...

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Reply #2 posted 12/07/18 6:01am

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It's a situation where the few major cities control the votes for the vast majority of the physical layout of the states. In my mind, anytime the govt can tie it's own hands and slow it's toll is a good thing.

That said, I personally voted for the Democratic party gov Whitimer for two reasons. One, she promised to fix the roads. I'll be pissed if she ttys to raise taxes to do so, because we already pay to have good roads. Two, she's not a Rick Snyder republican who has done fuck all for the state from my point of view.
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Reply #3 posted 12/07/18 7:09am

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Dauphin said:

It's a situation where the few major cities control the votes for the vast majority of the physical layout of the states. In my mind, anytime the govt can tie it's own hands and slow it's toll is a good thing. That said, I personally voted for the Democratic party gov Whitimer for two reasons. One, she promised to fix the roads. I'll be pissed if she ttys to raise taxes to do so, because we already pay to have good roads. Two, she's not a Rick Snyder republican who has done fuck all for the state from my point of view.

Shouldn't the will of the majority of voters prevail ? Isn't that the point of elections ?

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Reply #4 posted 12/07/18 7:49am

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Dauphin said:

It's a situation where the few major cities control the votes for the vast majority of the physical layout of the states. In my mind, anytime the govt can tie it's own hands and slow it's toll is a good thing. That said, I personally voted for the Democratic party gov Whitimer for two reasons. One, she promised to fix the roads. I'll be pissed if she ttys to raise taxes to do so, because we already pay to have good roads. Two, she's not a Rick Snyder republican who has done fuck all for the state from my point of view.

Shouldn't the will of the majority of voters prevail ? Isn't that the point of elections ?


Yes. That's not even true either. If it were, my state would be blue instead of red. Laid waste with gerrymandering, our biggest city's voice is purposely weakened. One person, one vote is the only fair way.

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Reply #5 posted 12/07/18 8:19am

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What's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin? Simple answer, right wing corruption and voter fraud, that's what. Just another normal day.

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Reply #6 posted 12/07/18 1:50pm

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poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

Shouldn't the will of the majority of voters prevail ? Isn't that the point of elections ?


Yes. That's not even true either. If it were, my state would be blue instead of red. Laid waste with gerrymandering, our biggest city's voice is purposely weakened. One person, one vote is the only fair way.


Bigger picture: Both Dakotas have 4 senators between them (populations 869,000 and 755,000) and California only has 2 (population 36.5 million)

Makes perfect sense, right?

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Reply #7 posted 12/07/18 1:56pm

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poppys said:


Yes. That's not even true either. If it were, my state would be blue instead of red. Laid waste with gerrymandering, our biggest city's voice is purposely weakened. One person, one vote is the only fair way.


Bigger picture: Both Dakotas have 4 senators between them (populations 869,000 and 755,000) and California only has 2 (population 36.5 million)

Makes perfect sense, right?

The Senate is composed of senators, each of whom represents a single state in its entirety, with each state being equally represented by two senators, regardless of its population, serving staggered terms of six years; with 50 states currently in the Union, there are 100 U.S. Senators.



This is what is being used against the general population, the average person does not know that "majority rule" isn't 100% the way this system was setup.

I'm still perplexed with all the "flag waving" was about a tiny population being flipped in Cali, when there are whole states that need to be addressed.

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Reply #8 posted 12/07/18 7:06pm

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poppys said:



jjhunsecker said:




Dauphin said:


It's a situation where the few major cities control the votes for the vast majority of the physical layout of the states. In my mind, anytime the govt can tie it's own hands and slow it's toll is a good thing. That said, I personally voted for the Democratic party gov Whitimer for two reasons. One, she promised to fix the roads. I'll be pissed if she ttys to raise taxes to do so, because we already pay to have good roads. Two, she's not a Rick Snyder republican who has done fuck all for the state from my point of view.


Shouldn't the will of the majority of voters prevail ? Isn't that the point of elections ?




Yes. That's not even true either. If it were, my state would be blue instead of red. Laid waste with gerrymandering, our biggest city's voice is purposely weakened. One person, one vote is the only fair way.



Yes and no. The system is setup so that there are checks and balances. A simple majority is a poor way to govern. That said, we have a less than simple majority process in MI where an Amendment Proposal can be voted yes and made law. I say less than simple majority, because not everyone voter votes.
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Reply #9 posted 12/08/18 6:17am

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Reply #10 posted 12/08/18 10:30am

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poppys said:


Yes. That's not even true either. If it were, my state would be blue instead of red. Laid waste with gerrymandering, our biggest city's voice is purposely weakened. One person, one vote is the only fair way.


Yes and no. The system is setup so that there are checks and balances.
A simple majority is a poor way to govern. That said, we have a less than simple majority process in MI where an Amendment Proposal can be voted yes and made law. I say less than simple majority, because not everyone voter votes.


Checks and balances setup for what was the 1% of yesteryear. Still evident today. Just because it's in place does not mean it works well.

You said that major cities control the vast majority of the state's vote. The opposite is the case in my state. Now arguing checks and balances. Why exactly do you think a simple majority is a poor way to govern? Voter apathy should not be a reason to circumvent what should be a fair process either. If our votes actually counted, maybe more would vote, especially young people.

The person with the majority vote of the country lost the last election. I think majority should rule. It would cut down on sour grapes in party politics too.

It's happened 5 times - 2 most recent:

In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266.

In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

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A study was released today that said Wisconsinites are the most likely Americans to drink to excess.

That explains a lot, doesn't it?

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Reply #14 posted 12/16/18 10:36am

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Reply #15 posted 12/17/18 10:53am

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What is going on is typical in our country. The Rules apply to Democrats but not to Republicans. Elections have consequences when Republicans win but none when Democrats win.

I pray that I live to see the day when the GOP is descimated.

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Reply #16 posted 12/17/18 12:55pm

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What is going on is typical in our country. The Rules apply to Democrats but not to Republicans. Elections have consequences when Republicans win but none when Democrats win.

I pray that I live to see the day when the GOP is descimated.


Amen

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Reply #17 posted 12/17/18 12:57pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What is going on is typical in our country. The Rules apply to Democrats but not to Republicans. Elections have consequences when Republicans win but none when Democrats win.

I pray that I live to see the day when the GOP is descimated.



You won't see that day until the Democrats get a spine.

I was at a local Democratic organization party last week (I was the performer, woo hoo!) and I told some of them about my plan to fight back by going lower than the GOP goes. They were aghast. They think we need to work with the GOP. For some reason they have forgotten how well that worked out for President Obama.

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RodeoSchro said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What is going on is typical in our country. The Rules apply to Democrats but not to Republicans. Elections have consequences when Republicans win but none when Democrats win.

I pray that I live to see the day when the GOP is descimated.



You won't see that day until the Democrats get a spine.

I was at a local Democratic organization party last week (I was the performer, woo hoo!) and I told some of them about my plan to fight back by going lower than the GOP goes. They were aghast. They think we need to work with the GOP. For some reason they have forgotten how well that worked out for President Obama.

That's Texas for you. shrug

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Reply #19 posted 12/17/18 2:12pm

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RodeoSchro said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What is going on is typical in our country. The Rules apply to Democrats but not to Republicans. Elections have consequences when Republicans win but none when Democrats win.

I pray that I live to see the day when the GOP is descimated.



You won't see that day until the Democrats get a spine.

I was at a local Democratic organization party last week (I was the performer, woo hoo!) and I told some of them about my plan to fight back by going lower than the GOP goes. They were aghast. They think we need to work with the GOP. For some reason they have forgotten how well that worked out for President Obama.



Oh my goodness, that made me laugh so hard. I totally get how you feel.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

RodeoSchro said:



You won't see that day until the Democrats get a spine.

I was at a local Democratic organization party last week (I was the performer, woo hoo!) and I told some of them about my plan to fight back by going lower than the GOP goes. They were aghast. They think we need to work with the GOP. For some reason they have forgotten how well that worked out for President Obama.

That's Texas for you. shrug



eek bitchfight bitchfight bitchfight bitchfight

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onlyforaminute said:

RodeoSchro said:



You won't see that day until the Democrats get a spine.

I was at a local Democratic organization party last week (I was the performer, woo hoo!) and I told some of them about my plan to fight back by going lower than the GOP goes. They were aghast. They think we need to work with the GOP. For some reason they have forgotten how well that worked out for President Obama.



Oh my goodness, that made me laugh so hard. I totally get how you feel.




LOL. I reminded them that the most charismatic politician since Barack Obama was just beaten by the least-popular senator since the Ice Age. Our state still needs a lot of work and I ain't gonna wait on no demo-GRAPHIC change to take care of it.

Also, I am looking forward to reminding those disgusting, auto-tune-loving, dumpster-Twinkie-eating, frozen-half-the-time, Amish-disturbing, roadkill-barbecueing-on-Saturday-nights doofuses from Wisconsin (they're drunk!), Michigan and Pennsylvania that this is ALL THEIR FAULT.

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REMINDER - If your two choices are Donald J. Trump and Hillary Rodham Clinton, and your poor little baby feelings are hurt because HRC didn't kiss your cheese-eating ass enough, and you decided to show HER and EVERYONE ELSE by not voting in 2016, then THIS IS YOUR FAULT.

I will accept no disagreement on this point.

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RodeoSchro said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What is going on is typical in our country. The Rules apply to Democrats but not to Republicans. Elections have consequences when Republicans win but none when Democrats win.

I pray that I live to see the day when the GOP is descimated.



You won't see that day until the Democrats get a spine.

I was at a local Democratic organization party last week (I was the performer, woo hoo!) and I told some of them about my plan to fight back by going lower than the GOP goes. They were aghast. They think we need to work with the GOP. For some reason they have forgotten how well that worked out for President Obama.

At some point, you have to admit that you have been dragged into the gutter and go from there.

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RodeoSchro said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

That's Texas for you. shrug



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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

RodeoSchro said:



You won't see that day until the Democrats get a spine.

I was at a local Democratic organization party last week (I was the performer, woo hoo!) and I told some of them about my plan to fight back by going lower than the GOP goes. They were aghast. They think we need to work with the GOP. For some reason they have forgotten how well that worked out for President Obama.

At some point, you have to admit that you have been dragged into the gutter and go from there.




Agreed. I'm instituting the Eric Holder Motto - "When they go low, you kick them in the nuts".

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