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Question about racism....was I wrong?

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Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

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Reply #1 posted 09/17/18 9:55am

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Republicans stand for more rights than Democrats do. The current DNC is about government control the GOP is more about personal liberty.
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Reply #2 posted 09/17/18 9:56am

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Where you seemed to have gone wrong was thinning you can be reasonable with unreasonable people.
No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Because there are people with extreme victim mentalities and now that everyone is saying they are 'WOKE' people sit on high horses and judge people easily that they don't know. If you don't subscribe to peoples ideologies in this 'new normal cyber world' you get blocked, unfriended, accused etc

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benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]


You didn't do or say anything wrong at all. Your intentions DO matter. It is racist to characterize all people of ANY race in such a way. It is not racist to to try to dial that back from including ALL white women.

Don't feel guilty for being accused of something that is absolutely untrue. You were accused of being racist to intimidate you and punish you for not embracing the talking point, not because you said something racist.

Please remember and consider this experience in the future when you see other people that challenge such ideas being accused of racism and consider giving them the benefit of the doubt and stand up for them.




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Reply #5 posted 09/17/18 10:20am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Where you seemed to have gone wrong was thinking you can be reasonable with unreasonable people.


Yeah that!! Some of us have made that same mistake. lol

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Because there are people with extreme victim mentalities and now that everyone is saying they are 'WOKE' people sit on high horses and judge people easily that they don't know. If you don't subscribe to peoples ideologies in this 'new normal cyber world' you get blocked, unfriended, accused etc


Thank you OldFriends, but for me it's always best to check. There are certain lines that I never want to cross but I'm not so arrogant to think I might not accidentally cross a line without intending to. I'm not too old to be educated, nor to check myself to make sure that I'm always aware of my own biases and/or prejudices, even subconsious ones. I think it's important that we all do that from time to time.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Republicans stand for more rights than Democrats do. The current DNC is about government control the GOP is more about personal liberty.


We can argue this one until the cows come home. wink

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Reply #8 posted 09/17/18 10:27am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Where you seemed to have gone wrong was thinning you can be reasonable with unreasonable people.


That's true. My ex was always saying, "You can't be reasonable with an unreasonable person" because he knew that I would always try.

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djThunderfunk said:

benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]


You didn't do or say anything wrong at all. Your intentions DO matter. It is racist to characterize all people of ANY race in such a way. It is not racist to to try to dial that back from including ALL white women.

Don't feel guilty for being accused of something that is absolutely untrue. You were accused of being racist to intimidate you and punish you for not embracing the talking point, not because you said something racist.

Please remember and consider this experience in the future when you see other people that challenge such ideas being accused of racism and consider giving them the benefit of the doubt and stand up for them.





Yes, but subconscious beliefs can come into play in our day to day interactions. We may think we have the best of intentions, but if we hold an unconscious bias or prejudice, that can color those intentions. I always try to be aware of my words and my actions for that reason, and if I think something has seeped out due to an unconscious bias, then I want to examine it and try to correct where I can. So, I will always check to make sure that there isn't something unconscious that has come through. If there is, then I need to figure that out and work on it, and find some resolution to it, to prevent further occurrences.


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benni said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Because there are people with extreme victim mentalities and now that everyone is saying they are 'WOKE' people sit on high horses and judge people easily that they don't know. If you don't subscribe to peoples ideologies in this 'new normal cyber world' you get blocked, unfriended, accused etc


Thank you OldFriends, but for me it's always best to check. There are certain lines that I never want to cross but I'm not so arrogant to think I might not accidentally cross a line without intending to. I'm not too old to be educated, nor to check myself to make sure that I'm always aware of my own biases and/or prejudices, even subconsious ones. I think it's important that we all do that from time to time.


Why would you worry that you might be subconsciously biased or prejudiced when you know damn well that is not the reason you posted what you did? The person was bullying you to make you feel bad and afraid to make similar comments in the future out of fear that people might falsely accuse you again. Just the fact that you came here seeking other opinions is proof enough that your intentions were not malevolent.

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benni said:

djThunderfunk said:


You didn't do or say anything wrong at all. Your intentions DO matter. It is racist to characterize all people of ANY race in such a way. It is not racist to to try to dial that back from including ALL white women.

Don't feel guilty for being accused of something that is absolutely untrue. You were accused of being racist to intimidate you and punish you for not embracing the talking point, not because you said something racist.

Please remember and consider this experience in the future when you see other people that challenge such ideas being accused of racism and consider giving them the benefit of the doubt and stand up for them.





Yes, but subconscious beliefs can come into play in our day to day interactions. We may think we have the best of intentions, but if we hold an unconscious bias or prejudice, that can color those intentions. I always try to be aware of my words and my actions for that reason, and if I think something has seeped out due to an unconscious bias, then I want to examine it and try to correct where I can. So, I will always check to make sure that there isn't something unconscious that has come through. If there is, then I need to figure that out and work on it, and find some resolution to it, to prevent further occurrences.



Based on everything you have said here, unless you are flat out lying, I don't believe it is possible that you would say such a thing because of prejudice, bias or racism either conscious or subconscious. Just sayin'...

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Reply #12 posted 09/17/18 10:49am

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djThunderfunk said:

benni said:


Yes, but subconscious beliefs can come into play in our day to day interactions. We may think we have the best of intentions, but if we hold an unconscious bias or prejudice, that can color those intentions. I always try to be aware of my words and my actions for that reason, and if I think something has seeped out due to an unconscious bias, then I want to examine it and try to correct where I can. So, I will always check to make sure that there isn't something unconscious that has come through. If there is, then I need to figure that out and work on it, and find some resolution to it, to prevent further occurrences.



Based on everything you have said here, unless you are flat out lying, I don't believe it is possible that you would say such a thing because of prejudice, bias or racism either conscious or subconscious. Just sayin'...


Case in point about subconscious biases: As a survivor of abuse, I always try to check myself when it comes to conversations about abuse, or about victim blaming/shaming and exonerating the perpetrator. I tend to lean on the side of believing the victim, no matter what. And that will come through when we're discussing those kinds of topics. So, I have to be aware of my bias in that regard because as a social worker, there are times when I have to work with a perpetrator in providing services through our agency. I have to check and double check my reactions, my thoughts, my statements to ensure that I am being fair and balanced, and unbiased, when dealing that individual at all times. I had not realized that it was a subconsious bias, that could affect my work with someone who had perpetrated such a crime, until I had to work with an individual at a psychiatric hospital (back in the 90s). I was very short with him when he would ask questions, felt a tremendous dislike for him, though he had never done or said anything to me to cause that reaction. I had to examine that in order to get to the root of the issue in order to correct how I was treating and reacting to him. And I'm just not going to be arrogant enough, someone who grew up with white privilege in this society, to think that there might not be unconscious bias due to that, that may come out in an interaction with someone. As a social worker, I have to be objective, not subjective, in my interactions with clients. Not always easy to do when we are very subjective people.

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benni said:

djThunderfunk said:


Based on everything you have said here, unless you are flat out lying, I don't believe it is possible that you would say such a thing because of prejudice, bias or racism either conscious or subconscious. Just sayin'...


Case in point about subconscious biases: As a survivor of abuse, I always try to check myself when it comes to conversations about abuse, or about victim blaming/shaming and exonerating the perpetrator. I tend to lean on the side of believing the victim, no matter what. And that will come through when we're discussing those kinds of topics. So, I have to be aware of my bias in that regard because as a social worker, there are times when I have to work with a perpetrator in providing services through our agency. I have to check and double check my reactions, my thoughts, my statements to ensure that I am being fair and balanced, and unbiased, when dealing that individual at all times. I had not realized that it was a subconsious bias, that could affect my work with someone who had perpetrated such a crime, until I had to work with an individual at a psychiatric hospital (back in the 90s). I was very short with him when he would ask questions, felt a tremendous dislike for him, though he had never done or said anything to me to cause that reaction. I had to examine that in order to get to the root of the issue in order to correct how I was treating and reacting to him. And I'm just not going to be arrogant enough, someone who grew up with white privilege in this society, to think that there might not be unconscious bias due to that, that may come out in an interaction with someone. As a social worker, I have to be objective, not subjective, in my interactions with clients. Not always easy to do when we are very subjective people.


The more you say, the more obvious it becomes that you had only positive motivations for saying what you did.

If you have a bias, it's in favor of always believing the victim or the oppressed. That's noble. I wonder though, is it fair to be biased against the accused? I don't think so. To be truly unbiased you have to put those inclinations away too.

You're obviously a good person that wants nothing but to add positivity to the world and be fair to everybody. Extend that to include not only accusers but also the accused and you'll continue to make the world a better place.



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djThunderfunk said:

benni said:


The more you say, the more obvious it becomes that you had only positive motivations for saying what you did.

If you have a bias, it's in favor of always believing the victim or the oppressed. That's noble. I wonder though, is it fair to be biased against the accused? I don't think so. To be truly unbiased you have to put those inclinations away too.

You're obviously a good person that wants nothing but to add positivity to the world and be fair to everybody. Extend that to include not only accusers but also the accused and you'll continue to make the world a better place.



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When I am at work, no I cannot be biased against the perpetrator, or the accused, and that's why I said that I've had to check that bias. I am constantly checking and rechecking my interactions, what I am saying, my body language, everything, when dealing with individuals that have been accused.

Now, in my personal life, I don't hold back in certain situations, especially when it comes to victim shaming. But I know that it is a bias I hold.

You may say it's not fair to biased toward the accused, but when you've found the courage to tell someone about what you went through, and the comment coming from the (in my case) juvenile officer is "You realize these allegations can ruin these men's lives?" And later asking me what I wore (as a 12 or 13 year old in regards to one of the accusations I made - amongst many) and then when I responded to state, "Don't you think that was a little provocative?" I think I have a reason for my bias. But it took me awhile to realize that I was reacting on that bias in a professional setting.

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benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]

You said nothing wrong. Sweeping genralizations about whole races are ridiculous. (I know, as I've been subjected to it my entire life). The person making this comment is unable to understand nuance, or see the complexities of life. So don't feel guilty about anything.


That being said, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the fact that a majority of White women voted for Trump, who is a misogynst, a credibly accused sexual predator, and a serial philanderer, amongst other disgusting traits , including racism and xenophobia. Many have stated that these White female voters (who are probably mainly, but certainly not entirely Republicans) chose "White" over "Female" as the primary source of their "identity" , and that governed their vote for a despicable man like Donald Trump. The person you were discussing that probably let their anger over that fact lead them to make a broad generalization, and perhaps unleash their vitriol on you, as an unfortunately convenient target. These are the type of divisions that people like Trump are so willing to exacerbate and exploit for their own gain.

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benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]

You said nothing wrong. Sweeping genralizations about whole races are ridiculous. (I know, as I've been subjected to it my entire life). The person making this comment is unable to understand nuance, or see the complexities of life. So don't feel guilty about anything.


That being said, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the fact that a majority of White women voted for Trump, who is a misogynst, a credibly accused sexual predator, and a serial philanderer, amongst other disgusting traits , including racism and xenophobia. Many have stated that these White female voters (who are probably mainly, but certainly not entirely Republicans) chose "White" over "Female" as the primary source of their "identity" , and that governed their vote for a despicable man like Donald Trump. The person you were discussing that probably let their anger over that fact lead them to make a broad generalization, and perhaps unleash their vitriol on you, as an unfortunately convenient target. These are the type of divisions that people like Trump are so willing to exacerbate and exploit for their own gain.

[Edited 9/17/18 11:24am]


Well said, JJ. Co-sign

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benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]

The only thing I would do differently is followed Presidents Trump example and say "Some people"

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benni said:


We can argue this one until the cows come home. wink

Yeah, like sooooooo many Conservative/Republicans favor someone having their own personal choice on who they can marry, or their own reproductive choices and methods rolleyes

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benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]

The only thing I would do differently is followed Presidents Trump example and say "Some people"

Except that most people- besides Trump and you apparently- realize that ALL Nazis and White Supremacists and Klansmen are BAD people

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benni said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


Republicans stand for more rights than Democrats do. The current DNC is about government control the GOP is more about personal liberty.


We can argue this one until the cows come home. wink



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No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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benni said:







We can argue this one until the cows come home. wink




Yeah, like sooooo many Conservative/Republicans favor someone having their own personal choice on who they can marry, or their own reproductive choices and methods rolleyes



And for now those liberties are secure. And you know any calls to limit abortions to protect the unborn is the liberal position.
No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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jjhunsecker said:

benni said:


We can argue this one until the cows come home. wink

Yeah, like sooooooo many Conservative/Republicans favor someone having their own personal choice on who they can marry, or their own reproductive choices and methods rolleyes


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benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]

You said nothing wrong. Sweeping genralizations about whole races are ridiculous. (I know, as I've been subjected to it my entire life). The person making this comment is unable to understand nuance, or see the complexities of life. So don't feel guilty about anything.


That being said, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the fact that a majority of White women voted for Trump, who is a misogynst, a credibly accused sexual predator, and a serial philanderer, amongst other disgusting traits , including racism and xenophobia. Many have stated that these White female voters (who are probably mainly, but certainly not entirely Republicans) chose "White" over "Female" as the primary source of their "identity" , and that governed their vote for a despicable man like Donald Trump. The person you were discussing that probably let their anger over that fact lead them to make a broad generalization, and perhaps unleash their vitriol on you, as an unfortunately convenient target. These are the type of divisions that people like Trump are so willing to exacerbate and exploit for their own gain.

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Thank you, JJ. I just wanted to make sure that I hadn't crossed a line and needed to apologize. I don't know who the individual was, but it was in reply to a Sonia Gupta (who made the original post). Apparently, I found out a little bit ago, she had retweeted someone who replied "ouch, not all white women" and that lady was attacked, so much so, that she deleted her twitter account. So it seems that may be what they do, attack those that point out that she is generalizing an entire gender/race. When I looked at the guy that was calling me a racist, he's a Trump follower. :-/

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Reply #25 posted 09/17/18 2:50pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Never doubt yourself.


Thanks, Rodeo. Afraid it's a hold over from my childhood. Ugh. I always question and doubt myself, but am much better about not doing it as much now as I did as a child.

Thank you everyone for responding and reassuring me that I didn't say something wrong. I was ready to apologize if I did.

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Reply #26 posted 09/17/18 2:59pm

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benni said:

Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party."

And I admit it bothered me that she used a broad stroke to include all "white women" in her claim. So I responded: "Let's rephrase that, White Republican Women (WRW) hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So they'll keep voting for the white supremacist party. The rest of us white women, wonder what the hell is wrong with them."

Now, you all know me on here (or at the very least you know I am often outspoken when it comes racism). But I am being accused of being a racist because of that tweet. I'm trying to figure out why. I do not try to paint any group of people with a broad brush, though I admit I did when I stated White Republican Women. But for the life of me, my intentions were not racist, but to merely point out that not all white women hate PoC. I've never, in my life, been accused of being a racist, have seen it occur to people I care deeply for, and it breaks my heart.

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.

[Edited 9/17/18 9:01am]

You said nothing wrong. Sweeping genralizations about whole races are ridiculous. (I know, as I've been subjected to it my entire life). The person making this comment is unable to understand nuance, or see the complexities of life. So don't feel guilty about anything.


That being said, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the fact that a majority of White women voted for Trump, who is a misogynst, a credibly accused sexual predator, and a serial philanderer, amongst other disgusting traits , including racism and xenophobia. Many have stated that these White female voters (who are probably mainly, but certainly not entirely Republicans) chose "White" over "Female" as the primary source of their "identity" , and that governed their vote for a despicable man like Donald Trump. The person you were discussing that probably let their anger over that fact lead them to make a broad generalization, and perhaps unleash their vitriol on you, as an unfortunately convenient target. These are the type of divisions that people like Trump are so willing to exacerbate and exploit for their own gain.

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benni said:

jjhunsecker said:

You said nothing wrong. Sweeping genralizations about whole races are ridiculous. (I know, as I've been subjected to it my entire life). The person making this comment is unable to understand nuance, or see the complexities of life. So don't feel guilty about anything.


That being said, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the fact that a majority of White women voted for Trump, who is a misogynst, a credibly accused sexual predator, and a serial philanderer, amongst other disgusting traits , including racism and xenophobia. Many have stated that these White female voters (who are probably mainly, but certainly not entirely Republicans) chose "White" over "Female" as the primary source of their "identity" , and that governed their vote for a despicable man like Donald Trump. The person you were discussing that probably let their anger over that fact lead them to make a broad generalization, and perhaps unleash their vitriol on you, as an unfortunately convenient target. These are the type of divisions that people like Trump are so willing to exacerbate and exploit for their own gain.

[Edited 9/17/18 11:24am]


Thank you, JJ. I just wanted to make sure that I hadn't crossed a line and needed to apologize. I don't know who the individual was, but it was in reply to a Sonia Gupta (who made the original post). Apparently, I found out a little bit ago, she had retweeted someone who replied "ouch, not all white women" and that lady was attacked, so much so, that she deleted her twitter account. So it seems that may be what they do, attack those that point out that she is generalizing an entire gender/race. When I looked at the guy that was calling me a racist, he's a Trump follower. :-/

Being called a racist by a TRUMP supporter ???? This truly boggles the mind

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White liberals (Democrats) support a form of white patriarchy.
That might be what the comment was alluding to.

Claiming that white liberals should be excluded from the conversation of racism is a problem.
This reminds me of a conversation where people were saying that Christian and western men were not afflicted by patriarchy or misogyny.
They tried to claim misogyny and patriarchy was an issue that predominantly affects other “cultures” and their men.

Western men can be patriarchal, misogynistic and violent.
white liberals can be racist.
We can’t address issues like race or patriarchy without it being all encompassing.
That might be what the person was getting at.




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Reply #29 posted 09/17/18 11:08pm

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benni said:


Okay, in a debate with someone on twitter. The original post I had replied to stated: "White Women hate PoC more than they care about their own rights. So

But can someone please explain what I might have said wrong, or what I might have said that implies racism? I guess we can all still learn things when it comes to this subject, especially if we don't have to deal with it first hand. So please educate me where I went wrong.


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You didn't do or say anything wrong at all. Your intentions DO matter. It is racist to characterize all people of ANY race in such a way. It is not racist to to try to dial that back from including ALL white women.

Don't feel guilty for being accused of something that is absolutely untrue. You were accused of being racist to intimidate you and punish you for not embracing the talking point, not because you said something racist.

Please remember and consider this experience in the future when you see other people that challenge such ideas being accused of racism and consider giving them the benefit of the doubt and stand up for them.






SNIP - OF4$

This isn't about attacking/accusing other members. The OP was looking for some kind of clarity about her specific situation. Let's leave it there.
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