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Bodies believed to be those of 95 black forced-labor prisoners from Jim Crow era


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Bodies believed to be those of 95 black forced-labor prisoners from Jim Crow era unearthed in Sugar Land after one man's quest

https://www.washingtonpos...c28dfeeb09

Today the city of Sugar Land is a sprawling suburb southwest of Houston, home to Imperial Sugar Co., shopping malls and endless cul-de-sacs. But more than a century ago, it was a sprawling network of sugar cane plantations and prison camps. Sugar Land was better known then as the Hellhole on the Brazos. From sunup to sundown, convicts who were leased by the state to plantation owners toiled in the fields chopping sugar cane sometimes until they "dropped dead in their tracks," as the State Convention of Colored Men of Texas complained in 1883.



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The site of 95 graves

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Reply #1 posted 07/22/18 2:14pm

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luv4u said:


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Bodies believed to be those of 95 black forced-labor prisoners from Jim Crow era unearthed in Sugar Land after one man's quest

https://www.washingtonpos...c28dfeeb09

Today the city of Sugar Land is a sprawling suburb southwest of Houston, home to Imperial Sugar Co., shopping malls and endless cul-de-sacs. But more than a century ago, it was a sprawling network of sugar cane plantations and prison camps. Sugar Land was better known then as the Hellhole on the Brazos. From sunup to sundown, convicts who were leased by the state to plantation owners toiled in the fields chopping sugar cane sometimes until they "dropped dead in their tracks," as the State Convention of Colored Men of Texas complained in 1883.



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Wow eek

The site of 95 graves


Wow. I could just imagine how many more graves like that haven’t been discovered in American soil. Hopefully their graves will be moved to a different site for a proper burial.
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2elijah said:

luv4u said:


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Bodies believed to be those of 95 black forced-labor prisoners from Jim Crow era unearthed in Sugar Land after one man's quest

https://www.washingtonpos...c28dfeeb09




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Wow eek

The site of 95 graves

Wow. I could just imagine how many more graves like that haven’t been discovered in American soil. Hopefully their graves will be moved to a different site for a proper burial.


I had that same thought too eek

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Reply #3 posted 07/22/18 6:22pm

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I live 5 miles (in Richmond) from it and teach in the district where they are doing the construction on this new school. The official word from the district is nothing and they probably will proceed with construction unless there is some kind of resistance, which has yet to happen.

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Reply #4 posted 07/23/18 1:11am

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I live 5 miles (in Richmond) from it and teach in the district where they are doing the construction on this new school. The official word from the district is nothing and they probably will proceed with construction unless there is some kind of resistance, which has yet to happen.

Interesting, thanks for posting. I thought that if bodies were found they had to, by law, bury them humanely in an alternative location before being alllowed to proceed. I could be wrong on this. Do you know what they are planning to do with the bodies?

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Reply #5 posted 07/23/18 3:42am

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:


I live 5 miles (in Richmond) from it and teach in the district where they are doing the construction on this new school. The official word from the district is nothing and they probably will proceed with construction unless there is some kind of resistance, which has yet to happen.





Interesting, thanks for posting. I thought that if bodies were found they had to, by law, bury them humanely in an alternative location before being alllowed to proceed. I could be wrong on this. Do you know what they are planning to do with the bodies?



No alternative arrangements that I know of for burial. Community activists did come out yesterday and stated that the state should do some kind of display or monument acknowledging the existence of the deceased, who are believed to be blacks that were forced into free forced labor post Civil War. The district, state, and others are mum about what to do with the bodies, but the activists are encouraging African Americans that live in the area to do DNA tests to find possible heirs/lineage.
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Reply #6 posted 07/23/18 10:36am

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Jim Crow - Democrat racist

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Reply #7 posted 07/23/18 10:45am

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Jim Crow - Democrat racist

Conservative racist. Pay attention. The parties switched, but I'm sure you know that, Mr. Troll.

[Edited 7/23/18 10:45am]

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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YESWECAN said:




Jim Crow - Democrat racist



Conservative racist. Pay attention. The parties switched, but I'm sure you know that, Mr. Troll.

[Edited 7/23/18 10:45am]



We tell them this thousands of times, but it never sinks in. Party NAMES are irrelevant, it's political ideology that matters
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Reply #9 posted 07/23/18 10:50am

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13cjk13 said:

Conservative racist. Pay attention. The parties switched, but I'm sure you know that, Mr. Troll.

[Edited 7/23/18 10:45am]

We tell them this thousands of times, but it never sinks in. Party NAMES are irrelevant, it's political ideology that matters

I know, it is so tedious, but as long as they keep vomiting the lie, all we can do is call them out on it, over and over and over.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #10 posted 07/23/18 11:31am

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I was trolling there.

This story is pretty sad. To think of all the people, that we don't even know about.

Hilary Clinton - Democrat hate speach 1996

"The challenge is to take back our streets. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they not just gangs of kids anymore. They are oftern the kinds of kids called super predetors- no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel. "

Never mind how many liberals get caught saying prejudice shit, when they not aware someone's listening.

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YESWECAN said:

I was trolling there.

This story is pretty sad. To think of all the people, that we don't even know about.

Hilary Clinton - Democrat hate speach 1996

"The challenge is to take back our streets. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they not just gangs of kids anymore. They are oftern the kinds of kids called super predetors- no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel. "

Never mind how many liberals get caught saying prejudice shit, when they not aware someone's listening.

Then they're not really liberals...

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Reply #12 posted 07/23/18 12:28pm

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13cjk13 said:

jjhunsecker said:

13cjk13 said: We tell them this thousands of times, but it never sinks in. Party NAMES are irrelevant, it's political ideology that matters

I know, it is so tedious, but as long as they keep vomiting the lie, all we can do is call them out on it, over and over and over.

Well, that's what they do, just keep repeating the same lies often enough, and hope people buy it

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Reply #13 posted 07/23/18 7:40pm

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There's a movie called Convicts that deals with this subject. Based on a book by Horton Foote who also wrote the screenplay. Produced and starring Robert Duvall, both are from Texas. They show it on the Bounce network sometimes. It's really depressing but has some great performances.

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Reply #14 posted 07/25/18 7:17am

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jjhunsecker said:

13cjk13 said:

Conservative racist. Pay attention. The parties switched, but I'm sure you know that, Mr. Troll.

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We tell them this thousands of times, but it never sinks in. Party NAMES are irrelevant, it's political ideology that matters

did they really? who uses fear and the promise of free stuff in every single election? Which party is all about stacking the decks in their admitted favor?

Remember brack said that he was not worried about election fraud as it tended to help Democrats?

Who was it that well into the 1970'a stood against civil rights?

But they offer free stuff in exchange for freedom. Safty for liberty... what the DNC has done is far more dangerous: they have simply exchanged chain for checks.

And some people lap it up, smile, and ask for more.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #15 posted 07/25/18 7:25am

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Who was it that well into the 1970'a stood against civil rights?


yes, great point! so not even 50 years later things must be the same of course!
cause well into the late 70s Iran was a close allie for the USA. so it must be the same today then, alright dunce

what an immensly stupid argument lol hammer

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Reply #16 posted 07/25/18 7:36am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Who was it that well into the 1970'a stood against civil rights?


yes, great point! so not even 50 years later things must be the same of course!
cause well into the late 70s Iran was a close allie for the USA. so it must be the same today then, alright dunce

what an immensly stupid argument lol hammer

[Edited 7/25/18 7:25am]

I see you were not able to grasp the rest. Dems hooked into the if we can not win the vote we will buy it. They saw the future and that was to make people believe they needed the government to help them with their basic needs.

But if you choose to pick and choose only those facts that feed your alternative reality to push what you think you want. (And you do not want it but you've been told for decades that the government knows best so you go along and toe the line) then what can I say. (note I said IF)


But this is off topic...I should not have let you and JJ and 13 pull me astray.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #17 posted 07/25/18 7:46am

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That is good they were found and now I hope they can track their DNA to their descendants.

I can't read the link, it says something about having ad blockers and not having a subscription.



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Reply #18 posted 07/25/18 8:57am

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yes, great point! so not even 50 years later things must be the same of course!
cause well into the late 70s Iran was a close allie for the USA. so it must be the same today then, alright dunce

what an immensly stupid argument lol hammer

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It was CONSERVATIVES who were fighting against Civil Rights- then and now. Doesn't matter what PARTY they belonged to.

One would have to be pretty stupid to think that say, George Wallace and Lester Maddox shared the same ideology with Ted Kennedy and Barack Obama, because they all fell under the same party name, decades apart...but this isn't the smartest country

[Edited 7/25/18 9:07am]

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Dancelot said:


yes, great point! so not even 50 years later things must be the same of course!
cause well into the late 70s Iran was a close allie for the USA. so it must be the same today then, alright dunce

what an immensly stupid argument lol hammer

[Edited 7/25/18 7:25am]

I see you were not able to grasp the rest. Dems hooked into the if we can not win the vote we will buy it. They saw the future and that was to make people believe they needed the government to help them with their basic needs.

But if you choose to pick and choose only those facts that feed your alternative reality to push what you think you want. (And you do not want it but you've been told for decades that the government knows best so you go along and toe the line) then what can I say. (note I said IF)


But this is off topic...I should not have let you and JJ and 13 pull me astray.



I was not taking about the "rest". so please stop the lame dumbass copout attempt disbelief
I was talking about you throwing around nonsense once again
so forget the rest: the question is, is the argument about the 70s a good one or a shitty one?



or do you think you can hide a plain BULLSHIT argement amongst other arguemnts (you find) valid, and then none will notice? lol

it's easy. if you say SHIT you will get called out on shit. so please grasp THAT


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jjhunsecker said:

Dancelot said:

yes, great point! so not even 50 years later things must be the same of course!
cause well into the late 70s Iran was a close allie for the USA. so it must be the same today then, alright dunce

what an immensly stupid argument lol hammer

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It was CONSERVATIVES who were fighting against Civil Rights- then and now. Doesn't matter what PARTY they belonged to.

exactly. most racist scumbags switched to the GOP.

Only and other defenders of racism know that very well, yet always bring up that same old shit from decades ago

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Reply #21 posted 07/25/18 9:11am

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Dancelot said:

yes, great point! so not even 50 years later things must be the same of course!
cause well into the late 70s Iran was a close allie for the USA. so it must be the same today then, alright dunce

what an immensly stupid argument lol hammer

[Edited 7/25/18 7:25am]

It was CONSERVATIVES who were fighting against Civil Rights- then and now. Doesn't matter what PARTY they belonged to.

One would have to be pretty stupid to think that say, George Wallace and Lester Maddox shared the same ideology with Ted Kennedy and Barack Obama, because they all fell under the same party name, decades apart...but this isn't the smartest country

[Edited 7/25/18 9:07am]

It really is useless to talk sense and use facts.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Dancelot said:

jjhunsecker said:

It was CONSERVATIVES who were fighting against Civil Rights- then and now. Doesn't matter what PARTY they belonged to.

exactly. most racist scumbags switched to the GOP.

Only and other defenders of racism know that very well, yet always bring up that same old shit from decades ago

This is their main talking point when it's pointed out where most racism in America eminates from...



What was the name of the Nazi/KKK/White Supremacist riot last summer in Charlottesville ? Oh yeah, it was "Unite the RIGHT"

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13cjk13 said:

jjhunsecker said:

It was CONSERVATIVES who were fighting against Civil Rights- then and now. Doesn't matter what PARTY they belonged to.

One would have to be pretty stupid to think that say, George Wallace and Lester Maddox shared the same ideology with Ted Kennedy and Barack Obama, because they all fell under the same party name, decades apart...but this isn't the smartest country

[Edited 7/25/18 9:07am]

It really is useless to talk sense and use facts.

Well, I like to put the facts out there, for those who want them...For those who are trapped in their idealogical bubbles, they may be a lost cause

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Reply #24 posted 07/25/18 9:15am

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jjhunsecker said:

13cjk13 said:

It really is useless to talk sense and use facts.

Well, I like to put the facts out there, for those who want them...For those who are trapped in their idealogical bubbles, they may be a lost cause

beyond lost.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #25 posted 07/25/18 9:16am

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Where I live, they don't even put the party beside the name on the ticket. Sometimes it's all Dems OR all Repubs Or a mosh. But everybody knows who's who anyway. People talk amongst themselves...we're not all that stupid.

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And speaking of "getting free stuff", it is RED states that have the higest percentages of people receiving social governmental help, and that also put the least in the system throgh taxes.

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Reply #27 posted 07/26/18 12:46pm

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Bodies believed to be those of 95 black forced-labor prisoners from Jim Crow era unearthed in Sugar Land after one man's quest

https://www.washingtonpos...c28dfeeb09

Wow eek <

actually this find while noteworthy is of no surprise to me.
very few places in the u s is free of unmarked graves.
from the massacre of the indigenous native american indians, to the enslaved africans, to the post emancipated black peoples in this country, we can all be assured that the u s lands wherein we walk upon is filled with the unclaimed dead.
right here in the bay area there are burial mounds that are still being excavated. some of the earlier flattened mounds lie beneath residential areas as well as under roadways. so while this story is very sad, it is nothing new.
the worse part is, these dead souls will never be claimed by their descendants.
GOD bless America?

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:


I live 5 miles (in Richmond) from it and teach in the district where they are doing the construction on this new school. The official word from the district is nothing and they probably will proceed with construction unless there is some kind of resistance, which has yet to happen.





Interesting, thanks for posting. I thought that if bodies were found they had to, by law, bury them humanely in an alternative location before being alllowed to proceed. I could be wrong on this. Do you know what they are planning to do with the bodies?


I don’t know what the law is over there, but all of the human remains I’ve excavated have been reburied in cemeteries in wee ceremonies. They were all originally Christian burials, so it was easy to determine what was appropriate. Other, much older, human remains I’ve been involved with are still in storage at universities or museums. Dealing with human remains sensitively and appropriately can be an ethical minefield, with many factors at play.
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Lianachan said:

maplenpg said:

Interesting, thanks for posting. I thought that if bodies were found they had to, by law, bury them humanely in an alternative location before being alllowed to proceed. I could be wrong on this. Do you know what they are planning to do with the bodies?

I don’t know what the law is over there, but all of the human remains I’ve excavated have been reburied in cemeteries in wee ceremonies. They were all originally Christian burials, so it was easy to determine what was appropriate. Other, much older, human remains I’ve been involved with are still in storage at universities or museums. Dealing with human remains sensitively and appropriately can be an ethical minefield, with many factors at play.

As of now, the bodies are not scheduled for any kind of proper burial and the whole thing is still in limbo. When we have our district board meeting next month, I have a feeling this will come up again.

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