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Reply #180 posted 02/15/18 9:25am

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Lianachan said:




Yeah - 18 shootings, 3 a week, is a ridiculous manipulation of the data. Much better to just use the numbers of school shooting incidents where kids have actually been wounded or killed, which is 6. That's only 1 a week, which is clearly indicative of a normal and healthy society, with perfectly rational and justifiable views on gun control.

ETA - my country, which admittedly has a much smaller population, has only ever had one school shooting in its entire history (in 1996), which resulted in sweeping reforms of gun laws that pretty much everybody fully supported.

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6 is alot. So why inflate 300% to 18? Opposing sides of the discussion are never going to come to any agreements as long as we can't honestly discuss the facts of the situation.

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Reply #181 posted 02/15/18 9:27am

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RodeoSchro said:

benni said:


Right, one can only use one gun at a time. However, at any time that a weapon runs out of ammunition, Paddock had backups that would enable to continue to shoot without even having to reload.

Yes, but I said within the same household (children, spouse, etc.). If a gun owner is going to have a gun in the home, then he is responsible for whoever in the home uses that weapon if that gun owner DOES NOT act responsibly and keep the gun locked up and out of reach of the children, or other member of the same household.




For some reason, people like dj don't seem to remember stuff like this:





and this:






and this:






Or maybe they know about this, but don't want you to remember it. I guess they have their reasons.


I remember it just fine. Do you know how many of the weapons pictured here were fired in the attack?

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Reply #182 posted 02/15/18 9:28am

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You know what I would do if I was in charge? I'd do this: Everybody who loves guns, can go to a rifle range, there you can shoot. If nobody is allowed to have a gun in their house, you don't need one to protect yourself. You can go to the rifle range, and if you're done with shooting, the guns stays there, locked away until the next day when someone wants to use them. Easy as that. Nobody takes the guns home and nobody would be allowed to have guns at home.

COOL!

How would you solve the drug problem?

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Reply #183 posted 02/15/18 9:29am

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djThunderfunk said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


You know what I would do if I was in charge? I'd do this: Everybody who loves guns, can go to a rifle range, there you can shoot. If nobody is allowed to have a gun in their house, you don't need one to protect yourself. You can go to the rifle range, and if you're done with shooting, the guns stays there, locked away until the next day when someone wants to use them. Easy as that. Nobody takes the guns home and nobody would be allowed to have guns at home.





COOL!

How would you solve the drug problem?


What does that have to do with that? This is a different situation.
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Reply #184 posted 02/15/18 9:30am

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The only gun measure Trump has signed since taking office revoked an Obama-era rule that required the Social Security Administration to disclose information quarterly to the national gun background check system about certain people with mental illness. It's not clear whether that measure would have prevented Wednesday's massacre.

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Reply #185 posted 02/15/18 9:32am

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Here are some facts about the gun laws in the Sunshine State, from the Giffords Law Center to Pr...n Violence and the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action:
  • The right to bear arms is found in the first article of Florida's constitution: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed..."
  • You don't need a permit or license to buy a gun, nor do you have to register a firearm.
  • You don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun.
  • The state Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services must issue a concealed weapons license to an applicant as long as the person meets a certain set of requirements, including being a US citizen, being the age of 21 or older, not having a felony conviction and demonstrates competence with a firearm.
  • You can buy as many guns as you want at one time, because Florida doesn't regulate that either.
  • Gun sellers don't have to get a state license to sell firearms.
  • The state does require a three-day waiting period before you can buy a gun.

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Reply #186 posted 02/15/18 9:33am

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Trump's fate is done after this ordeal. One of the mothers told him to fuck off. yes.

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Reply #187 posted 02/15/18 9:34am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

djThunderfunk said:

COOL!

How would you solve the drug problem?

What does that have to do with that? [Edited 2/15/18 9:29am]


You've provided a simplistic answer to the problem that does not address the reality that making something illegal does not make that thing disappear. There's been a war on drugs that are illegal for nearly 50 years. Has the criminality of posession solved the problem? Gotten rid of the drugs? Reduced drug use? Reduce drug induced death? No.

Criminals are not going to obey gun laws. They don't obey them already. Making them illegal (or only legal at a gun range) will not solve the problem.

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Reply #188 posted 02/15/18 9:35am

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The irony of this when our awful President wants to keep floating the jive about killer aliens. Americans kill, period.

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Reply #189 posted 02/15/18 9:36am

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Hey come on, we don't have to be nasty with people to this degree bro. No one knows anyone personal situation. Let's just talk about this situation, not continuing to try to take jabs at each other

Given some of the subsequent responses, is my comment really that out of line ??

"They are too busy attacking the Don to deal with school shootings. Working for the Clintonians to prove Russian conspiracy that doesn't exist!"

Indeed ....

But I'll play nice ....

Did you listen to the briefing on Russian probe a few days ago?

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #190 posted 02/15/18 9:37am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

jjhunsecker said:

Given some of the subsequent responses, is my comment really that out of line ??

"They are too busy attacking the Don to deal with school shootings. Working for the Clintonians to prove Russian conspiracy that doesn't exist!"

Indeed ....

But I'll play nice ....

Did you listen to the briefing on Russian probe a few days ago?


Don't bring Russia into this thread, please.

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Reply #191 posted 02/15/18 9:38am

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djThunderfunk said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

djThunderfunk said: What does that have to do with that? [Edited 2/15/18 9:29am]


You've provided a simplistic answer to the problem that does not address the reality that making something illegal does not make that thing disappear. There's been a war on drugs that are illegal for nearly 50 years. Has the criminality of posession solved the problem? Gotten rid of the drugs? Reduced drug use? Reduce drug induced death? No.

Criminals are not going to obey gun laws. They don't obey them already. Making them illegal (or only legal at a gun range) will not solve the problem.

Ask Australia what they think about that sentence, germany, we only 3 shootings in the last 15 years. three. And you got 18 in this year. It doesn't disappear, but it happens less. Of course they get the guns from the dark net or whatever. But they are more expensive there.

And the war on drugs is still something different.

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Reply #192 posted 02/15/18 9:39am

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Australia forced everybody to sell their guns.

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Reply #193 posted 02/15/18 9:40am

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Reply #194 posted 02/15/18 9:40am

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America, the bullet ridden.

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Reply #195 posted 02/15/18 9:41am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

djThunderfunk said:


You've provided a simplistic answer to the problem that does not address the reality that making something illegal does not make that thing disappear. There's been a war on drugs that are illegal for nearly 50 years. Has the criminality of posession solved the problem? Gotten rid of the drugs? Reduced drug use? Reduce drug induced death? No.

Criminals are not going to obey gun laws. They don't obey them already. Making them illegal (or only legal at a gun range) will not solve the problem.

Ask Australia what they think about that sentence, germany, we only 3 shootings in the last 15 years. three. And you got 18 in this year. It doesn't disappear, but it happens less. Of course they get the guns from the dark net or whatever. But they are more expensive there.

And the war on drugs is still something different.


Yes different. What is the same is the idea that making something illegal stops or even reduces the problem. It didn't with drugs and it wouldn't with guns.

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Reply #196 posted 02/15/18 9:42am

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Reply #197 posted 02/15/18 9:42am

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Trump's fate is done after this ordeal. One of the mothers told him to fuck off. yes.

Sadly, no. He can do any despicable, outrageous, horrible thing and his base still worship him.

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Reply #198 posted 02/15/18 9:45am

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djThunderfunk said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Ask Australia what they think about that sentence, germany, we only 3 shootings in the last 15 years. three. And you got 18 in this year. It doesn't disappear, but it happens less. Of course they get the guns from the dark net or whatever. But they are more expensive there.

And the war on drugs is still something different.


Yes different. What is the same is the idea that making something illegal stops or even reduces the problem. It didn't with drugs and it wouldn't with guns.

Yes it does reduce the problem, as I said, just look over to australia, when was the last time they had a mass shooting? It doesn't solve the whole problem, but it sure as hell can reduce it. Tell me about another country where there are as many shootings as in the USA.

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Reply #199 posted 02/15/18 9:47am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

djThunderfunk said:


Yes different. What is the same is the idea that making something illegal stops or even reduces the problem. It didn't with drugs and it wouldn't with guns.

Yes it does reduce the problem, as I said, just look over to australia, when was the last time they had a mass shooting? It doesn't solve the whole problem, but it sure as hell can reduce it. Tell me about another country where there are as many shootings as in the USA.

There is none, on any statistical basis. This madness is pretty much unique to America these days

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Reply #200 posted 02/15/18 9:49am

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jjhunsecker said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yes it does reduce the problem, as I said, just look over to australia, when was the last time they had a mass shooting? It doesn't solve the whole problem, but it sure as hell can reduce it. Tell me about another country where there are as many shootings as in the USA.

There is none, on any statistical basis. This madness is pretty much unique to America these days

Yes, because the people there can't just go out and buy guns.

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Reply #201 posted 02/15/18 9:49am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Trump's fate is done after this ordeal. One of the mothers told him to fuck off. yes.


Sadly, no. He can do any despicable, outrageous, horrible thing and his base still worship him.

Agree. I checked out of following this stuff closely in the big shooting before Vegas. There's just no point right now. Freaky, you say that every shooting, even though it SHOULD be true.

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Reply #202 posted 02/15/18 9:52am

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True dat.

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Reply #203 posted 02/15/18 9:54am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Australia forced everybody to sell their guns.



Not true at ALL.

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Reply #204 posted 02/15/18 9:56am

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jjhunsecker said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yes it does reduce the problem, as I said, just look over to australia, when was the last time they had a mass shooting? It doesn't solve the whole problem, but it sure as hell can reduce it. Tell me about another country where there are as many shootings as in the USA.

There is none, on any statistical basis. This madness is pretty much unique to America these days




For some incredible reason, there are those among us who cannot understand that if we do the same things that every other country does, we will reduce mass shootings. We may even get to the level where those other countries are. But at the very least, we will reduce mass shootings.

We will save lives. We will save CHILDREN'S lives.

And yet, we have those who, I guess, love guns more than children. There's really no other explanation for it.

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Reply #205 posted 02/15/18 9:58am

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Reply #206 posted 02/15/18 9:58am

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For some reason, I'm wondering what that pants-pissing, underwear-shitting, draft-dodging pussy Ted Nugent has said today.

Actually, no I'm not.

I just wanted to call Ted Nugent a pants-pissing, underwear-shitting, draft-dodging pussy.

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Reply #207 posted 02/15/18 9:58am

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djThunderfunk said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

djThunderfunk said: What does that have to do with that? [Edited 2/15/18 9:29am]


You've provided a simplistic answer to the problem that does not address the reality that making something illegal does not make that thing disappear. There's been a war on drugs that are illegal for nearly 50 years. Has the criminality of posession solved the problem? Gotten rid of the drugs? Reduced drug use? Reduce drug induced death? No.

Criminals are not going to obey gun laws. They don't obey them already. Making them illegal (or only legal at a gun range) will not solve the problem.

You are right, it will not solve the problem - but it will reduce the problem. TWD is also right, drugs and guns are two different topics and right now we are discussing guns. You only have to look at other countries to see how the problem is reduced by cracking down on guns.

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Reply #208 posted 02/15/18 10:00am

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maplenpg said:

djThunderfunk said:


You've provided a simplistic answer to the problem that does not address the reality that making something illegal does not make that thing disappear. There's been a war on drugs that are illegal for nearly 50 years. Has the criminality of posession solved the problem? Gotten rid of the drugs? Reduced drug use? Reduce drug induced death? No.

Criminals are not going to obey gun laws. They don't obey them already. Making them illegal (or only legal at a gun range) will not solve the problem.

You are right, it will not solve the problem - but it will reduce the problem. TWD is also right, drugs and guns are two different topics and right now we are discussing guns. You only have to look at other countries to see how the problem is reduced by cracking down on guns.

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Reply #209 posted 02/15/18 10:01am

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djThunderfunk said:

An absolutely fucking disgusting YouTube video



That is fucking disgusting, and so is the person who posted it.

BTW, I've reported it to the mods and asked that you be banned.

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