SuperFurryAnimal said:

FBI was warned about alleged shooter nearly 5 months ago, tipster says

So you're saying Donald Trump dropped the ball. Got it.

Enough is enough. We have to do something about the ease in which people can purchase guns. I don't think that anyone says guns should be taken away as the conservatives like to say people are trying to do when we demand a change to gun laws.

There should always be a month long waiting period for the purchase of ANY gun. A thorough background check needs to be completed; including checking their social media for any thing that might indicate a situation like this could occur.

You have to be 21 to purchase to alcohol or cigarettes, so you should be 21 to purchase and own a gun.

No semi-automatic or automatic weapons should be sold to the general public. (Those should only be the hands of our military for times of war.)

Any weapons purchased must have a signed statement by the purchasing customer that the weapons will be kept under lock and key while in the home; that if their child gets ahold of the weapon and accidentally fires, the purchasing customer will be held criminally liable,

And people should not be allowed to own more than 2 guns (a hand gun for protection; and a shotgun for hunting purposes). And safe gun handling classes must be the requirement for EVERYONE in the home in which guns are located, that includes children, spouses, etc. And the gun owner will sign an afidavit upon completion of the classes by every member in the household that if the gun is used in a crime, they are held legally responsible, along with the individual that commited the crime.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I think it takes more backbone to not let emotions rule the mind and to stand up to the gun grabbers who do run of feelings.

to suggest there is a simple fix to this is very narrow-minded.

Pardon my French, but that is fucking bullshit.

You'd have a point if this was our first, or second, school mass-shooting. But we passed that milestone many, many mass shootings ago. And what have we seen EVERY FUCKING TIME?

Motherfucking pussies who say, "It's too early to talk about this. Don't politicize it. Thoughts and prayers". You know what?

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

Because EVERY FUCKING TIME those pussies say, "We need to take time to grieve, and then we'll talk about what to do" but THEY NEVER ALLOW "WHAT TO DO" TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

No one who asks for "thoughts and prayers" instead of/in addition to real action can be taken seriously when this is the 10th, 20th or 50th time they've avoided the subject, or buried it after time passes.

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

And FUCK anyone who enables them.

benni said:

Enough is enough. We have to do something about the ease in which people can purchase guns. I don't think that anyone says guns should be taken away as the conservatives like to say people are trying to do when we demand a change to gun laws.

There should always be a month long waiting period for the purchase of ANY gun. A thorough background check needs to be completed; including checking their social media for any thing that might indicate a situation like this could occur.

You have to be 21 to purchase to alcohol or cigarettes, so you should be 21 to purchase and own a gun.

No semi-automatic or automatic weapons should be sold to the general public. (Those should only be the hands of our military for times of war.)

Any weapons purchased must have a signed statement by the purchasing customer that the weapons will be kept under lock and key while in the home; that if their child gets ahold of the weapon and accidentally fires, the purchasing customer will be held criminally liable,

And people should not be allowed to own more than 2 guns (a hand gun for protection; and a shotgun for hunting purposes). And safe gun handling classes must be the requirement for EVERYONE in the home in which guns are located, that includes children, spouses, etc. And the gun owner will sign an afidavit upon completion of the classes by every member in the household that if the gun is used in a crime, they are held legally responsible, along with the individual that commited the crime.

Problem is that this is far too sensible to ever be considered

SuperFurryAnimal said:

jjhunsecker said:

I'm assuming he means that if there was religion in public schools (as well as respect for Trump...God forbid), there would be no craziness and therefore no school shootings....

But this is just my guess...It all sounds pretty unhinged to me

I would have been terrified to kill anyone, Minus someone attacking USA. What happened? YES! I believe the school is failing people. "Institutionalized" by Suicidal Tendencies song is more relevant than ever. Every parent should pull their child out of school and homeschool.

What does "attacking the USA" even mean ? Should someone not voice an opinion about things wrong in this country ? Or do you think we should be like North Korea ?

Homeschooling is not a good idea in most instances- most parents don't have the knowledge or skills to teach. And being in a school around a diverse group of people , besides family members, is necessary for creating social skills to use in later life.

benni said:

Enough is enough. We have to do something about the ease in which people can purchase guns. I don't think that anyone says guns should be taken away as the conservatives like to say people are trying to do when we demand a change to gun laws.

There should always be a month long waiting period for the purchase of ANY gun. A thorough background check needs to be completed; including checking their social media for any thing that might indicate a situation like this could occur.

You have to be 21 to purchase to alcohol or cigarettes, so you should be 21 to purchase and own a gun.

No semi-automatic or automatic weapons should be sold to the general public. (Those should only be the hands of our military for times of war.)

Any weapons purchased must have a signed statement by the purchasing customer that the weapons will be kept under lock and key while in the home; that if their child gets ahold of the weapon and accidentally fires, the purchasing customer will be held criminally liable,

And people should not be allowed to own more than 2 guns (a hand gun for protection; and a shotgun for hunting purposes). And safe gun handling classes must be the requirement for EVERYONE in the home in which guns are located, that includes children, spouses, etc. And the gun owner will sign an afidavit upon completion of the classes by every member in the household that if the gun is used in a crime, they are held legally responsible, along with the individual that commited the crime.

Do you even know what features make a weapon "automatic" or "semi-automatic"?

In any of the recent shootings, how would limiting ownership to 2 guns save any lives?

Why do you think a "shotgun" is a good firearm for "hunting"? It's not.

If somebody steals your car, or a knife or any other dangerous possession you may own and uses it to commit a crime, should you be held legally responsible?

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I think it takes more backbone to not let emotions rule the mind and to stand up to the gun grabbers who do run of feelings.

to suggest there is a simple fix to this is very narrow-minded.

Pardon my French, but that is fucking bullshit.

You'd have a point if this was our first, or second, school mass-shooting. But we passed that milestone many, many mass shootings ago. And what have we seen EVERY FUCKING TIME?

Motherfucking pussies who say, "It's too early to talk about this. Don't politicize it. Thoughts and prayers". You know what?

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

Because EVERY FUCKING TIME those pussies say, "We need to take time to grieve, and then we'll talk about what to do" but THEY NEVER ALLOW "WHAT TO DO" TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

No one who asks for "thoughts and prayers" instead of/in addition to real action can be taken seriously when this is the 10th, 20th or 50th time they've avoided the subject, or buried it after time passes.

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

And FUCK anyone who enables them.

There is a school shooting every 60 hours, do the math. Will beat Obama by a country mile and I don't mean Kenya.

Only, you do realize the shooter had zero emotions.

RodeoSchro said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

No respect for the USA, the President or God. People will ask "where was God?" Not in public schools.

I'm pretty sure God was in the church at the First Baptist Church Sutherland Springs, TX last November 5th.

"No Way To Stop This" says only country in the developed world where this happens all the time.

And God was certainly there in Charleston SC when Dylan Roof shot all those people during a prayer meeting

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Musicslave said:

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And how would you change that law?

The same way ya-all would destroy the 2nd Amendment.

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And what would that entail? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar who ya-all are or how they would destroy the 2nd Amendment.

benni said:

RodeoSchro said:

All we have to do is do what they do in every other developed country where this doesn't happen.

But the Republicans are pussies who are cuckolded by the NRA. As long as the Republicans are pussies - and they have been pussies my entire life, so I don't expect them to stop being pussies - this isn't going to change.

There is an interesting article in which one of Kimmel's staffers went behind every congressman on twitter that was sending out prayers and thoughts to the families and victims and community and posted how much they received from the NRA. Some of the totals are shocking.

In the 2015-2016 election cycle alone, GOP candidates took $17,385,437 from the NRA. https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/963891127169572865 …

This is NOT counting the $21 million given to President Trump.


Bess Kalb posted to them individually and then posted:

God have mercy on your NRA-kept souls:

Richard Burr
$6,986,620

Roy Blunt
$4,551,146

Thom Tillis
$4,418,012

Cory Gardner
$3,879,064

Marco Rubio
$3,303,355

Joni Ernst
$3,124,273

Rob Portman
$3,061,941

Todd Young
$2,896,732

Bill Cassidy
$2,861,047

Great post ! These are the gun money whores who have American blood on their hands

Here's all you need to know about where we are today:

If the government has reason to believe you may be aligned with a terrorist group, they can put you on a No-Fly list and you cannot board an airplane in the United States of America.

But you can STILL buy all the guns you want.

Got that? You can be labelled a threat to the United States of America, but you can still buy all the guns - and explosives - your heart desires. To wit:

Data from the Government Accountability Office show that between 2004 and 2010, people on terrorism watch lists tried to buy guns and explosives more than 1,400 times. They succeeded in more than 90 percent of those cases, or 1,321 times.

https://www.npr.org/secti...uying-guns

Obama was accused of full gun confiscation. Eight years and gun city

Musicslave said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

The same way ya-all would destroy the 2nd Amendment.

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And what would that entail? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar who ya-all are or how they would destroy the 2nd Amendment.

It's a red herring. People who say that are not right in the head. They know as well as anyone that we have never tried to destroy the 2nd Amendment, but they just can't help themselves. They have to lie.

RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I think it takes more backbone to not let emotions rule the mind and to stand up to the gun grabbers who do run of feelings.

to suggest there is a simple fix to this is very narrow-minded.

Pardon my French, but that is fucking bullshit.

You'd have a point if this was our first, or second, school mass-shooting. But we passed that milestone many, many mass shootings ago. And what have we seen EVERY FUCKING TIME?

Motherfucking pussies who say, "It's too early to talk about this. Don't politicize it. Thoughts and prayers". You know what?

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

Because EVERY FUCKING TIME those pussies say, "We need to take time to grieve, and then we'll talk about what to do" but THEY NEVER ALLOW "WHAT TO DO" TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

No one who asks for "thoughts and prayers" instead of/in addition to real action can be taken seriously when this is the 10th, 20th or 50th time they've avoided the subject, or buried it after time passes.

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

And FUCK anyone who enables them.

By the time they say, "It's not the time now to talk about this", ANOTHER SHOOTING has happened. So for that side, it'll NEVER be a time to "talk about it" ...

2freaky4church1 said:

Obama was accused of full gun confiscation. Eight years and gun city

Not one single gun was confiscated under President Obama.

In fact, he had several months where he had a supermajority in the Senate and control of the House. He could have signed any kind of gun control, or gun confiscation, bill that you can think of.

You know how many of those bills were passed and sent to the president for signing?

ZERO.

Anyone that says "liberals" want to confiscate guns, or destroy the 2nd Amendment, is a bald-faced liar or mentally ill.

jjhunsecker said:

RodeoSchro said:

Pardon my French, but that is fucking bullshit.

You'd have a point if this was our first, or second, school mass-shooting. But we passed that milestone many, many mass shootings ago. And what have we seen EVERY FUCKING TIME?

Motherfucking pussies who say, "It's too early to talk about this. Don't politicize it. Thoughts and prayers". You know what?

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

Because EVERY FUCKING TIME those pussies say, "We need to take time to grieve, and then we'll talk about what to do" but THEY NEVER ALLOW "WHAT TO DO" TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

No one who asks for "thoughts and prayers" instead of/in addition to real action can be taken seriously when this is the 10th, 20th or 50th time they've avoided the subject, or buried it after time passes.

FUCK THOSE PUSSIES.

And FUCK anyone who enables them.

By the time they say, "It's not the time now to talk about this", ANOTHER SHOOTING has happened. So for that side, it'll NEVER be a time to "talk about it" ...

They are pussies. Complete and absolute pussies. Led by the Pussy In Chief, good ol' Cadet Bone Spurs.

Rodeo, you also had books where they said Obama was going to kill talk radio. lol. Talk radio is worse than ever. Especially on tubeyou.

benni said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know not everyone. I'm just saying in this day in age where we talk a lot on social media and get a lot of misunderstandings because we are lacking that 'organic' communication where we see feel smell hear the other person etc

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And the kids are being brought up in that 'isolated' world even if they have 'online' connection.

I agree, people are way to isolated for so many reasons.

I think it was always there, but the onset of technology as we know it sped up the mentallity extremely fast. Before if you had social anxiety or social fears etc you kinda still had to get out to get thing done. Which in a way forced people to deal with it. But with a world that makes it easier to not have to deal with people directly I think that is when it happened: you can date/apply(for jobs/loans etc) bank, shop, go to school etc all online now.

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I think everyone knows of that person or two who always kept to themselves/came out only at night, was a mystery. But there a lot more of it.

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When I moved to the street and bought my house, which is a dead end street. I immediately connected with the two couples across the street. One was a a couple in their early 60s the other i their 30s. And we would talk outside at each others yards etc We decided to put together a block party to get to know each other. Everyone looks forward to it each year. But there are always a few people who just won't come out. When we get heavy snow, those are actually the fun days, because everyone is coming home around the same time, so everyone comes out and helps each other shovel their driveways, so everyone is talking and meeting knew residents etc.

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People have to make the effort. Sometimes people are just waiting for someone to reach out.

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I've read that people with 'SAD' Social Anxiety Disorders has multiplied

Excellent post.

SAD has increased and it is being seen at younger ages. And I think you are right, technology has definitely increased this phenomenon. There are kids today who cannot go a day without being plugged in to some type of technological device.

But I think that the whole idea that we are separate from each other, that what I do effects no one else but myself or those in my family, has taken root and is flourishing. People live in these little bubbles, and think, "As long as it doesn't effect my bubble, I don't care." They neglect to take into account that every thing we do, has a greater impact outside of our sphere of influence, than we realize. If I'm angry and I yell at my kids that morning before they go to school, they are going to go to school in a bad mood and take it out on their friends, their friends will then take it out on other classmates, teachers, and take it home with them. Their parents will then get angry, and may carry that with them the next day at work, and then they spread it around. But me, thinking it only effects my kids and I, will neglect to see how it ripples outward and just don't care beyond that immediate moment. (I don't yell at my kids like that, just using that as an example.)

We live in a microwave society. That impacts things too. We want (and for some people, need) instant gratification. Due to this, we've lost the fine art of patience. We're impatient with everything now, which breeds frustration, anger, depression, and anxiety. It's getting bad out there in the world and we, society, are the cause of it.

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Yes, and I can understand why we see it at younger ages. that seem to get younger and younger.

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That BOLDED part is 100% spot on. I cannot even add to to that.

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Accountability. You can have millions or nothing, but your name is everything.

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Yes, because on so many levels we don't have that 'organic' interraction like I grew up with, we want our ego to be stroked and we want results or reactions quickly. Even if that is 'vengence' as in this case.

jjhunsecker said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'm pretty sure God was in the church at the First Baptist Church Sutherland Springs, TX last November 5th.

"No Way To Stop This" says only country in the developed world where this happens all the time.

And God was certainly there in Charleston SC when Dylan Roof shot all those people during a prayer meeting

And God certainly was there on a Charlottesville VA Saturday morning Last Aug 12 when Congregation Beth Israel had to hide for their lives during services.

2freaky4church1 said:

There is a school shooting every 60 hours, do the math. Will beat Obama by a country mile and I don't mean Kenya.

Only, you do realize the shooter had zero emotions.

Sure the kid were programmed long ago. If he was ranting about KILLING COPS! Where did that culture come from?

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

And God was certainly there in Charleston SC when Dylan Roof shot all those people during a prayer meeting

And God certainly was there on a Charlottesville VA Saturday morning Last Aug 12 when Congregation Beth Israel had to hide for their lives during services.

God is nowhere but church and some homes but ya-all talking about outsider going into a church and attacking. You don't get it that this culture of FUCK YOU! Disrespect and use violence to get way will not play out well.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Not surprised the kid posted about killing bad cops. Knew it would be culture of disrespect.

Someone said he had on a Make America Great Again hat

Musicslave said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

The same way ya-all would destroy the 2nd Amendment.

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And what would that entail? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar who ya-all are or how they would destroy the 2nd Amendment.

2freaky4church1 said:

Rodeo, you also had books where they said Obama was going to kill talk radio. lol. Talk radio is worse than ever. Especially on tubeyou.

Those people are liars and pussies.

OldFriends4Sale said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Not surprised the kid posted about killing bad cops. Knew it would be culture of disrespect.

Someone said he had on a Make America Great Again hat

Yes, in his Instagram account profile pic:

djThunderfunk said:

benni said:

Enough is enough. We have to do something about the ease in which people can purchase guns. I don't think that anyone says guns should be taken away as the conservatives like to say people are trying to do when we demand a change to gun laws.

There should always be a month long waiting period for the purchase of ANY gun. A thorough background check needs to be completed; including checking their social media for any thing that might indicate a situation like this could occur.

You have to be 21 to purchase to alcohol or cigarettes, so you should be 21 to purchase and own a gun.

No semi-automatic or automatic weapons should be sold to the general public. (Those should only be the hands of our military for times of war.)

Any weapons purchased must have a signed statement by the purchasing customer that the weapons will be kept under lock and key while in the home; that if their child gets ahold of the weapon and accidentally fires, the purchasing customer will be held criminally liable,

And people should not be allowed to own more than 2 guns (a hand gun for protection; and a shotgun for hunting purposes). And safe gun handling classes must be the requirement for EVERYONE in the home in which guns are located, that includes children, spouses, etc. And the gun owner will sign an afidavit upon completion of the classes by every member in the household that if the gun is used in a crime, they are held legally responsible, along with the individual that commited the crime.

Do you even know what features make a weapon "automatic" or "semi-automatic"?

In any of the recent shootings, how would limiting ownership to 2 guns save any lives?

Why do you think a "shotgun" is a good firearm for "hunting"? It's not.

If somebody steals your car, or a knife or any other dangerous possession you may own and uses it to commit a crime, should you be held legally responsible?

[Edited 2/15/18 8:03am]

With an automatic weapon, if you hold the trigger, the weapon will continue to fire mutiple rounds. With semi-automatic, it will fire one round but reloads itself. With a semi-automatic weapon, the number of rounds fired depends upon how rapidly you pull the trigger, especially if you use a bump stock.

Limiting gun ownership to two guns - let's see, how many guns did the Las Vegas shooter have in his possession? How many guns did were taken to Sandy Hook?

Adam Lanza:

FIREARMS

Taken to Sandy Hook Elementary:

Izhmash Saiga 12-gauge semiautomatic shotgun
Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle
Glock 20 10mm semiautomatic handgun
Sig Sauer P226 9mm semiautomatic handgun

Found in Lanza Home:

Savage Mark II bolt-action .22-caliber rifle
Enfield Albian bolt-action .323-caliber rifle
Volcanic .22-caliber starter pistol

Paddock had 23 weapons in his hotel room, not to mention the ones that were in his car, and at his home.

There is no reason for anyone to own more than two guns. Do you need two handguns to protect yourself? Do you need more than one rifle (excuse my earlier gaffe) to go hunting? How is owning more than two guns beneficial to you?

Again, excuse my gaffe. I was thinking rifle and typed shotgun. I do know the difference. I grew up in the middle of no where Missouri, surrounded by hunters.

The problem with your last question, is that people are NOT stealing these weapons to commit these crimes. THEY ARE OBTAINING LEGALLY, therefore, that is not even a close comparison.

OldFriends4Sale said: